>Looks like this
>Has the audacity to post this dank meme on social media
Oh my Jesus Christ, why do these delusional /fraud/'s even try to claim to be natty?
For the record, I don't have a problem with steroid use, just people who claim to be natty while using.
hes too deep in the lie, cant back out now
>>35213561
Stop being a pussy and hit the gym lazy cunt
>>35213779
Entire industry is too deep in the lie.
It's so bad that they claim that people with no ability to build the 'aesthetic' physique only need to go to the gym to look like the 'aesthetic' guys.
It's why guys like piana and boston loyd and zyzz are liked and get their following
they're open and honest about their drug use and talk about that shit and the dangers and positives.
The guys who try to play it up as all awesome and shit are oft called frauds and no better then the guys who claim natty.
>>35213561
He's got perfect genes too. That fucking smooth skin, that teenage hairline on a 40 y/o body on full doses of roids
In-fucking-sane
Just realised his traps are poor
>>35213854
To be fair.. His hair's kinda thinning in the front
>>35213887
Tbqh I think those look better than the big ones. Its more asthetically pleasing when it does not look like you have 2 shoulders
>>35213815
I really like the piano guy for these. He doesn't claim natty and talk openly about steroids. I respect him for that
>>35213917
Forgott to add pic
Well you gotta realize he benefits from lying about his steroid use.
He's probably sponsored by some all-natural bullshit supplement company that charges $100 for a 30-day supply of their multivitamin. If everyone realizes that he's big because he uses steroids, and not because he takes a supplement with Middle Eastern Dirtworm Feces Extract, then he loses his sponsorship, and all the money he gets from it.
>>35213561
you can get that body natty in 3-5 years of lifting with perfect diet
>>35214022
>being this delusional
I not an expert so help me out
Is it possible to reach that physique naturally with a combination of absolute perfect genetics, training and diet?
I'm not trying to say he is natural, just hypothetically speaking
>>35214179
Ofc just look at Simeon panda.
>>35214179
Short answer, no.
Long answer, fuck no.
>>35214192
I hope you're baiting.
>that rich piñata video where he works out with mike and he spend 5 minutes looking at himself at the mirror and rich stares at his ass
>"oh yeah this is the result of hard work and dedication"
>"hehe yeah"
>awkward 5 seconds silence
>>35214179
Not possible.
>>35214022
With discipline it shouldn't take more than 6 months desu senpai
>>35214179
With perfect genetics you MIGHT get close to being this big, but never this dry. Going below about 15% bf while sustaining that mass is not possible as a natty.
>>35213561
>That fucking jawline
ooh good lord, sharp
>>35213815
zyzz has a vid where he shows off his clen doesn't he?
>>35214875
His old bb posts are still there too
He starts backtracking and said he was natty when he was starting to getting famous
>>35214323
>if only there was a pill you could take to make you look like this
>hehe
Mike O'Tren is such a fuck.
I don't get why we don't just legalize most types of steroids. While there would still be fake natties because of supplement revenue, at least people could admit they juice without worrying about the DEA or possible criminal charges. The entire fitness industry would be transformed for the better.
1) Steroids are illegal.
2) Steroids are badly viewed by the public and can easily ruin his reputation.
3) He claims natty so his fanbase will think so and buy all his supplements to get his body.
>>35214984
Zyzz started juicing around 2007, he's lying.
Still love him tho.
>>35215428
Because everyone on roids is too scary for the government
Amerifats cant even accept genetic engineering
>>35215492
He got the veni vidi vici tat after roiding
>>35215428
yeah especially since if I'm a girl I can go to the doctor and ask to get a dick sewn on and get a bunch of test and that's perfectly ok; but, if I'm a guy who just wants bigger arms I'm a criminal.
>>35216082
you could get a dick sewn on if you want man.
>>35213923
holy shit can't unsee
>>35214046
>being this new
>>35213561
he is 46 years old, of course he's natty. after 30+ years lifting it's not that hard to look like that
you guys just need to put some effort into it.
>>35218780
scooby pls go
>>35214323
>>35215315
And the best part is he's twice as big as piano who admitted to taking absolutely crazy amounts of drugs and has synthol in his arms. Top cvck
>>35213923
Well played
>>35213923
This may help...
>>35215492
>>35214984
>>35215565
This just ruined him as my idol
Fuck... This whole time I thought his body would be attainable
I'm not saying he's natty, but what will he be on? With being a boxer he'll be drugs tested and all, rules out all the bodybuilding stuff out.
>>35219177
>With being a boxer he'll be drugs tested and all, rules out all the bodybuilding stuff out.
>>35219203
I'm not baiting, I don't actually know the rules for Mr. Olympia etc, I assumed they just allowed it/don't test. Surely you can't just inject roids in the Olympics and get away with it?
>>35219220
>Surely you can't just inject roids in the Olympics and get away with it?
Not a lot of the conventional stuff that we plebs get, but they're still geared to the hilt.
![[2015.08.06_04.27.16].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qCJmGSw.jpg "[2015.08.06_04.27.16].jpg")
>>35216644
That cracked me up
>>35215428
In terms of sport it's also to keep things relatively fair. You can't have poor kids who can't afford test to be competing against rich kids with test.
>>35219320
>now the poor kids have nothing while the rich kids have designer steroids out the ass
>>35219329
>designer steroids out the ass
Clueless natty here. Can you explain what a designer steroid is? Something that costs way more than test, that much I figured out on my own. But like is it something that's way stronger or is it something that just doesn't show up on a drug test or what?
>>35219395
A designer steroid is one created solely to dodge drug testing/legality issues. There's essentially an arms race going on to see who can come up with the better drugs which is one of the biggest reasons China is doing so well.
>>35213561
Then you're gonna love this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3pHeiTPHbk
>>35219088
are you this childish ?
>>35219088
>This whole time I thought his body would be attainable
You thought it would be possible to naturally achieve a body like that of a guy who was taking twice as much gear as Dorian Yates?
https://www.instagram.com/thebrutebrody/
This guy claims natty.
Is he?
>>35215428
>I don't get why we don't just legalize most types of steroids.
you ready to get mad? Its literally so they look like a 'clean' nation in national and international sports.
People are going to prison so america can have a good sports reputation.
>>35219713
does it matter? You'd fuck him anyway
>>35219220
There are people whose sole job is to be smart about how they cycle what the athletes are taking and to beat every test that is thrown at them
>>35214022
I agree
3 weeks of perfect diet and cardio and anyone can look like that
It's just that most people aren't dedicated enough
>>35215428
people dont deny roiding because of that, they do it because deep down they know they're fake, gutless cowards who can't amount to anything with the assistance of synthetic chemicals LMAO.
>>35219088
It is. It'll just take you way longer than it took him
>>35219088
Bro. Wanna know how I felt after I figured out Klokov wasn't natty?
the literally just one centimeter shorter than me Dmitry God of Aesthetics Klokov - who's height/physique was realistic for me to base my goals around?
>>35219906
>he thought a professional athlete was natty
>>35219906
You can still "look" like him. You just won't be as lean.
>>35219954
what a fucking idiot
how are these people so blind?
>>35219954
Not just a pro athlete either but a fucking 230 lb monster who lifts insanely heavy weights for a living.
>>35220020
Plenty of people know jack shit about PEDs, my mother was genuinely upset when Lance Armstrong finally got popped.
>>35219088
I'm sorry man but...how can you have been this delusional?
Hey i need advice on what caffeine to get, do you guys get your stuff off of amazon? ali?
And also if i weigh 140 would the amount i take differ?
pill or powder (mixed into water) form?
cheers
>>35213561
Even with steroids, it's hard to get a body like that.
Something that normies do not comprehend.
>>35220037
I always laugh at normies who get mad at Lance Armstrong, as if the Tour de France hasn't always been a drugfest. Fuck they were doing cocaine and opiates from the very beginning of its history.
>>35219088
it's obtainable. he's not even big ffs
>>35219906
bro you can look like him
you won't be nearly as strong, though
>>35221090
are you a midget
Hmm let's see if steroid users come clean all you nattys will crucify them and call them cheaters and fakes even though I guarantee they lift ten times harder than you. Coming clean is stupid because of how ignorant people are about steroids. News flash some people take bodybuilding very seriously and if you want a even remotely impressive physique you have to take steroids. Inb4 idiots say you can look good natty. Sure thing buddy get back to me in four years when you hit your limit that starts declining around age 26
>>35221090
Get the fuck back in your own thread >>35221135
aye fit, what determines whether or not someone's natty?
>>35221962
>what determines whether or not someone's natty
do you freebase your creatine? or enema it?
>>35221962
if they pump cubic litres of horse semen into their glutes or not
>>35213561
Fuck this guy. It's everything I go against.
I refuse to lie about my usage. It's so harmful to other people's ego to think they can get what we get and then feel like shit because they don't.
God you guys are literally a bunch of pussies. I can't even understand the full level of autism you bring to this board.
Look, this guy may not be natty. But you can sure as hell get to his level without gear, it just takes insane dedication. And I mean hitting the gym 6 times a week, and not doing pussy routines like the lot of you.
How about you get off your keyboard or phone and go to the gym, follow up with a fantastic diet and maybe someday you'll actually be strong.
Good luck being dyel faggots the rest of your lives.
Btw the pic is me, and I don't work as hard as I should. If I really decided to dedicate myself I'm sure I could get really big. I'm natty and you bitches will wad up your dyel panties in protest.
Thoughts?
>>35222047
I feel like that's not really you, because the person who posts that pic in cbt's is usually pretty humble.
>>35222047
Btdubs I'm 215lbs 6foot
And I'm not even big.
>>35222057
I usually am, I'm just looking to rustle jimmies. I apologize for any offense taken. But I just want people to know that you can get giant even while natty.
>>35215428
The people in the fitness mainstream wouldn't even admit they juice if Uncle Sam legalized it and offered tax incentives to do it. The fitness mainstream as it currently exists can *only* survive by associating roid looks with cheaply-produced snake-oil products.
A few companies might be able to capitalize on the chance to open labs if the juice was legalized, but social stigma and genuine health concerns would forever keep demand modest at best. There simply isn't enough demand for stuff that actually works (whether it's gear or basics like whey and multis) to go around and allow the industry to stay as huge as it is. For most of these faggot companies it's lie or die.
>>35222002
kek this
i used to think i had shit genetics
then i started pinning a gram of test cyp
fuck these fuckers who go out of their way to claim natural. i almost gave up the hobby that i love because i thought i didnt have the genetics.
>>35219084
A manlet pops out
>>35222077
Dubs hurt manlet
>>35222047
Dude youre pretty big but youre not even close not natty Mike Ohearn's size, so wtf are you saying?
>>35221124
Clearly- roiders are almost always below the natty limit- O'Tren has like 40 lbs of muscle on your average juicing gymrat
>>35222092
Nigga I said I wasn't even big.
>>35219177
He'a natty you fukin moron, has no 3d traps or delts. Look at his shoulders, that's a natty shoulder. I took oral dbol no inject and my shoulder look animated
>>35222047
that's not u
>>35222047
>Not even remotely close to the OP pic in any way, whether in terms of raw mass (his left pec alone has more mass than both of yours put together), outrageous conditioning (his delt veins are practically popping as hard as your bicep veins), or maintaining all of this at superhuman levels into advanced age (you're literally half his age)
>Hurdurr if I can do this then there's no excuse not to look like Mike O'Hearn
>Criticizing him for acting like an asshole while engaging in the slimy, fraudulent marketing practices which typify the modern "fitness" industry just makes you a keyboard warrior who doesn't even lift!
You're a dumbass.
>looks like this
>dates my sister
welp
>>35222152
Dude I've only been lifting for a year
>>35213561
Dude
Tell someone you use roids is enough to make them assume you didn't do any work at all for the gains, when in fact you probably did more
People also lose respect for you - like all respect
Any fraudster who makes this mistake learns to only make it once
>>35214179
Never. Some stupid shits answered " with perfect genetics you might get close" - hell no. Not EVEN close. He's like 6'2-3 or something I think AND FUCKING MASSIVE. You have to be fucking delusional if you think you can achieve this naturally.
>>35214407
Kek
>>35221883
Underated post.
Even as somebody who carefully weighed the decision and just plain decided against steroids, I see it.
It's like those women who think they'll turn into she-hulk if they even get too close to a barbell.
It's amazing how many people seem to think that you inject one vial of horse semen into your ass or whatever and suddenly your body fat drops to 3% and your veins pop out and you put on 40lbs of muscle while sitting on your ass.
>>35219980
What the fuck. You can be as "lean" as klokov at his size. Maybe not all year around but still. He has barely visible abs and no separation in quads.
>>35222498
Everyone can get big on roids. Easily. Look at the pros working out, they just fucking isolate and barely catch a breath. For eg. Paul Dillet was known from his shitty workouts and and he looked awesome. Roiders just claim this because they want an excuse.
>>35221213
Yeah seriously, people who fucking lost to him were caught doping, of course he did it too
This guy doesn't claim natty but just doesn't touch on the subject, is it possible he's on gear?
Instagram.com/jordyfed
I just want to know because it's similar to what I want to achieve
>>35214407
I'm kinda new to lifting, but why isn't it possible?
>>35222498
Actually roids are so powerful that you literally can sit on your ass and you will lose more fat AND gain more muscle than a natty who spends that time working out. This is literally proven
Don't know why people on gear keep saying they work hard, you literally recover faster and have more energy, it takes less mental effort to lift if everything is easier
>>35222541
Doesn't this guy post here on /fit/?
>>35219395
>Can you explain what a designer steroid is?
A steroid created by a chemist that doesnt match current known steroid chemical structures and therefore will not show up on a test.
How steroid testing used to work is that the drug testers had a list of known molecule structures of steroids, if they found something in your system that matched one of them you were caught. So athletes went to chemists who would re arrange the chemical structures of the drug to avoid showing up on the test.
Now they also look for how high your testosterone levels are when testing to try and combat that, as if you are well above the normal range you are obviously on gear. But athletes can avoid that with short acting esters, knowing when tests are coming up ect ect
>>35222564
Not sure bud. Only been here for 2 or so weeks lol
>>35219320
>Cheating in sport should be a crime
>>35222418
>Thinking your noob gains will continue indefinitely
>>35219177
not in the fuckin am bro please
>>35213854
ACTUALLY
FOR YOUR INFORMATION
I HAVE FOUND SIGNIFICANT RESEARCH SHOWING THAT LOWER TESTOSTERONE CORRELATES TO HIGHER BALDNESS
AND IN TWIN STUDIES THE BROTHER WITH HIGHER TESTOSTERONE KEEPS HIS HAIR LONGER
WHEN YOUR REGULAR TESTOSTERONE DROPS THATS WHEN YOUR BODY STARTS PRODUCING EXTRA OF THE DIHIDROTESTOSTERONE
THE _REAL_ PURE TESTOSTERONE IS GOOD FOR YOUR HAIRLINE
(im not a roider btw)
>>35214179
He's a lot bigger than prime Arnold AND with lower body fat. Do the math.
>>35219177
>With being a boxer he'll be drugs tested and all, rules out all the bodybuilding stuff out.
Evere read the Mayweather interview from the 90s? Where he talks about steroids being used by everyone in boxing?
>tinder match is former chunkster who joined local LA fitness and got in shape
>apparently her friend and her literally chat with every single ~18-30 year old person there, judging by their new facebook friends/instagram followers every day.
>seems to be a huuuge "natural" bodybuilding group of middle eastern guys
>one of them is 18, 6'0, 240lbs and while not shredded has abs, "athletic" leanness
>recent post is a success kid "when they accuse you of steroids because of all the weight you lift"
>mfw
It's all zyzz's fault isn't it.
>>35222943
Lol. How do your even use steroid in boxing? It's a primarily striking sport, I don't see how relevant it is to steroids.
>>35223647
Lol. How do your even use steroid in cycling? It's a primarily pedalling sport, I don't see how relevant it is to steroids.
>>35213561
does he sell a fitness or diet-plan? Then he has to claim to be natty
> Hurr hurr look at me, its all sport and eating
> Buy this 10 weeks fitness programm and you´ll look like me
>>35223647
Let's you go longer and harder in an sport based on strength and endurance
>>35223719
Lol. How do your even use steroid in powerlifting? It's a primarily meme sport, I don't see how relevant it is to steroids.
>>35213561
His furnitures aren't natty. Where the f does he live? At his 90 yeàr old mom's house?
you can get pretty big natty
A big bigger than pic related since we have better understanding of nutrition and shit
>>35219220
you're adorable
I've seen this guy in my gym before doing a photoshoot. He had his dog with him and he seemed like a total snob. What's his name?
>>35224069
Yup, this was the guy. Walked around like he thought he was a god then after a photo shoot he would go cuddle his dog.
>pic related photo of him in my gym
>>35224105
So there's nothing wrong with lifting in chucks, right?
I'm not about to shell out on special shoes for lifting if I could just wear my chucks.
>>35224123
Nothing wrong with chucks
>>35224123
Yeah, don't waste your money on lifting shoes
>>35219220
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17FGgWghDOE
>>35224105
>that
>natty
Kek'd HARD
>>35224123
as long as the sole is flat it is fine.
>>35214407
You can go below 15% bf with that mass natty, you just won't look as drybwith the paper thin skin and vascularity
>>35219873
It's funny because you'll never be physically superior to them, so you make up some fake sort of moral superiority so you still feel better. Try not to be so publicly insecure man.
>>35223719
Think he's still on gear? I don't doubt the guy works his ass off, but he is pretty old.
>>35213561
Maybe he is trying to give people motivation to never give up. Obviously he is on steroids but if people believe that they can look like that someday I think it boosts morale to commit to their goals.
>>35224105
He looks like a roided out mitt Romney
So many delusional fuccbois. I mean do you not have roiders in your gyms? I've seen underaged kids taking them then blowing up in a period of a few months.
Also I don't want to hear this shit how roiders work really hard compared to the rest of us. Avarage roider in my gym does a 5 day bro split and looks miles better then non roiding people.
>>35224587
This
>>35224360
>You can go below 15% bf with that mass natty
Proofs?
>>35214407
You won't even get close to this amount of mass at 15%.
Maybe one of those guys with fatceps who honestly thinks he's 15% when he's rocking 25%.
Even then its not as much muscle. Its mistake 20 pounds of blob for 20 pounds of beef.
>>35219177
Test suspension, short lived orals.
Basically things that clear quickly.
Also sometimes epi-testosterone, which has no benefit, but corrects the epi-tesostosterone to testosterone ratio that would give away use.
HGH in low amounts for recovery.
Even insulin for speeding up the re-carb phase after the 24 hour weigh in so he can show up and fight 10% heavier than his dehydrated and carb depleted weigh in.
>>35213854
You DO realize there are VERY good hair restoration surgeries these days right?
The plugs are now taken from neck hairs that actually respond positively to DHT (so won't fall out in the future, even on AAS), and are angled and spread out correctly with the natural pattern of hair growth on the scalp.
This has come a LONG way in the last 20 years.
His hairline was slightly receding a decade ago.
This guy has had work done, and guarantee you that.
More than just his hairline.
He's not just on a "little bit" of roids either. This is a hardcore user, no question.
>>35219874
>>35221628
Kek, yeah good luck holding onto this much mass at 8% body fat as a natty
>>35219088
For the record, that "before" pic was not his natty limit. He could have continued to make SOME gains if he hadn't hopped on gear. You can get bigger+leaner than that before pic. But you can't attain that after pic.
>>35213561
Using roids and claiming natty to butthurt manlets is funny as fuck , man. You can see them hate themselves and their genetics when they fail to match you.
I tell girls I just do yoga and rock climb
>>35219088
Good. Stop being a pussy that has "idols" you fucking child.
>>35219395
Basically they figure out which compound leftovers the drug tests are looking for, engineer a compound that doesn't give off those leftovers, and keep tweakingnthe molecule to stay one step ahead of the tests.
>>35224525
You think he can have normal hormonal balance without some form of "gear"? The guy was on shitloads of gear for over a decade of his life and he had ball cancer and one of his balls removed. I'd be really surprised if he can survive natty.
No one cares if someone is in gear. People care when these frauds claim natty, and are selling a $700 supply of freeze dried duck eggs to iduots every month
>>35225192
He's spending $70,000 a month on gear most likely- what's wrong with him selling some duck eggs?
>>35213923
>>35219084
>get so big your shoulders have shoulders
>>35225177
You're right. I read that he had taken a "cornucopia of steroids" even prior to his ball cancer.
>>35224720
He wears a hair piece dude. Google "Mike O'Hearn hair piece."
Also you're right. He's definitely had botox and a facelift. Probably some chemical peel shit too
>>35214984
>tfw you used to be able to talk about gear usage on bb.com
>can't anymore
>>35221628
He was 220lbs at a very low body fat. There is no way that is possible natty.
