I decided to re-read Civil War (I already re-read the MightyGodKing parody) for kicks and I forgot how fucking dumb this was. Seriously, I'm at the part where they're hunting down patriot and talking about using minimum force... Which was using a machine gun to shoot a shitload of tranqs into him, and when they realized he had powers, they blow up the floor of an office building, with no regard to whether or not he could even survive, which they're clearly saying here.
Most people on this board probably haven't even read it.
>>82700982
The real kicker? They blame the young Avengers for it. What were they doing?
Stopping a mugger.
What the hell is even going on with this comic? Just so many mischaracterizations, and then playing up this supposed deep friendship between Cap and Iron Man that was never really there (They were, at best, work friends).
Like, it was always so weird to me that people were acting like they were best friends before this, which is ridiculous since Cap's bestie has been Falcon since the seventies, and Tony Stark switches between Happy Hogan, Rhodey, and Booze.
>>82701053
Really? I remember being here back in '07 (Jesus that's almost a decade ago) and it continued to be a hot topic for like... Two years after it ended.
>>82701100
People are aware of it, but they didn't read it.
>>82701053
>implying /co/ has good taste
/co/ only read shitty comics, everyone but new new new newfags has read CW.
>>82701053
>>82701137
Yeah, nah. Pretty much everyone has read this shit by now. Nice memeing tho
>>82701196
Bullshit, /co/ only reads current shitty comics.
Most of /co/ has no desire to go back farther than wikipedia for event purposes.
>>82701053
And I'm one of those guys.
What was wrong with Civil War the comic? I always thought it was very well received since they had an entire hemisphere of nerds salivating for the movie.
I remember when people liked it. "This is so cool! DC must be shitting themselves, how can they compete with an epic like this?"
>>82701289
>I always thought it was very well received since they had an entire hemisphere of nerds salivating for the movie.
Capeshit fags just have very very shitty tastes is all.
>>82701289
No, people were salivating for the movie because the Captain America movie have been actually good. Best thing to come out of MCU in fact.
Back when this came out, everyone was tearing this shit apart, but it did it's job. It generated controversy and everyone read it so they could fight about it. Seriously, the whole community was split down the middle between Cap and Iron Man supporters.
Everyone could agree how shitty the characterizations were and how dumb every single thing that happened was. And how bad that ending was.
>>82701319
Did people like it? I remember people talking about how bad it was and parroting the "Mark Millar Licks Goats" thing from Nextwave: Agents of H.A.T.E.
>>82701265
Well, yeah, and /co/ was around when CW was published and we all read it and bitched about it, and we're all still here because you're here forever.
If you're a new new new new new new new newfag babby who's just discovering CW, that's your problem.
>>82701396
>Seriously, the whole community was split down the middle between Cap and Iron Man supporters.
And then we all united in hate against Sally Floyd, good times.
>>82701289
Civil War is 'fine' in concept, but the editors in charge did not lay down the necessary ground work, so every writer was basically going off of a different version of the event. This lead to huge discrepancies of tone and content. Tony would go from having good ideas to being space Hitler.
>>82701401
You realize that the vast majority of current /co/ wasn't here back then right? Hell,most probably weren't even here when the first Avengers movie came out.
>>82701069
>>82700982
Civil Wars was this big events they never put much thoughts into it. they just go "wouldn't it be cool if heroes were fighting against each other" and never considered to plan further. This resulted in Forced Drama, mots of forced Drama.
But the worst part is that it cut short lots of interresting arc for heroes in their respective book, resulting in many good story just being salvaged because oops we gotta civil war now.
This thing should have never happened.
>>82701466
I remember we all had to deal with struggle of hating her and wanting Spider-Man to tap that.
>>82701289
>I always thought it was very well received
It was well received by casuals who only read Civil War and nothing else and thought it was was by default because they had no frame of reference for what an actually good comic looks like.
To anyone besides absolute casuals, it's reviled as a fucking abomination that very nearly destroyed the Marvel Universe.
>>82701575
>You realize that the vast majority of current /co/ wasn't here back then right?
How do you know? you have the stats? How much has /co/ actually grow since 2007? I know I was already here, anyway.
>>82701514
The concept was solid, but Millar was the wrong man for that job. You should read the original conversation between him, Quesada, and Brevhoot.
It boiled down to Mark millar being an excited six year-old, Quesada being enthralled, and Brevhoot going "No, guys, that doesn't work..."
>>82701396
>Seriously, the whole community was split down the middle between Cap and Iron Man supporters.
I actually remember that the whole community was united about how shit this whole event was.
>>82701613
The problem is that Civil War was the entry to Marvel for a hell of a lot of people, kind of like how Hush was for Batman at the same time.
So you have a whole new generation of comic readers who think this is how things should be, and they end up voting it the 2nd best Marvel comic of all time.
>>82701670
What dark times, when Brevoort was the voice of reason.
>>82701575
No one likes you newfags anyway, you brought the SJW cancer to our board, fuck off.
>>82700982
I think mini marvels did it best
>>82701683
>and they end up voting it the 2nd best Marvel comic of all time.
Fucking seriously?
>>82701688
>implying I'm a newfag
You guys are shit at arguing, just keep on swinging for those boogeymen, I'm sure you'll find one eventually.
>>82701743
>butthurt newfag
>>82701721
Yes. Also that Chris Sims comic was great.
>>82701680
I mean, they were, but there was still arguments about the ideologies. Because even when we all agree on something, we need to fight about it.
>>82701617
By the way, I remember Front Line #1 had people both enthralled by Spidey's bulge and people wanting Spidey to tap that MILF-y goodness.
Then the comic kept going and we all hated her and hated that the comic introduced Bleedball.
>>82701721
The best thing to come out of Civil War were the parodies and the new movie.
>>82701818
Forgot my picture.
>>82701810
Still makes me laugh
So glad I picked up the book
>>82701727
http://marvel.com/news/comics/23034/find_out_the_75_greatest_marvel_comics_of_all-time
List isn't terrible but yeah, #2. Death of Gwen Stacy was #1.
>>82701950
It's a goddamn crime that Civil War is in the #2 spot but Nextwave is #74.
What dark times we live in.
>>82700982
>>8270106
I like it for how ridiculous it was.These smug borderline villain ''dude bros'' just flexing their muscles and sticking it to the superheroes that they could never be themselves. I gotta go read it again too.
>>82701686
Here are some of the original ideas:
http://www.denofgeek.com/us/books-comics/captain-america-civil-war/254921/marvels-civil-war-12-versions-of-the-story
Full of Five-Foot Tall Hulk babies, a public execution, and Thor coming back and being like "Nah, fuck this."
Also, it makes more sense to me now that Bendis is doing Civil War II since, apparently it was his brainchild.
Most events are dumb
I honestly think AvX was dumber
>>82702088
>Full of Five-Foot Tall Hulk babies
Heh, Kirkman stole that idea.
>>82702115
... Yes. This is is all true and factual. Secret War was okay, but it also was really stupid at times.
>>82702193
He did?
>>82702088
>Thor coming back and being like "Nah, fuck this."
sounds legit.
I think Civil War 2 is gonna be a lot of name only connections. Didn't someone say they started planning it and realized it would be a good branding idea to be CW2
>>82702258
Which one are you talking about?
Secret war when Fury tried to invade Latveria with some capes? That one was bad. The art was off and really dark, could barely tell what was going on in each panel
>>82702258
>because apparently Hulk has been boning THOUSANDS OF ALIENS as part of his scheme to get revenge.
Yup.
>>82702337
Fucking Oliver
>>82701069
>Patriot
>indestructible
I thought he only got some diluted super soldier serum? Shouldn't he just be a little below peak human?
>>82702337
I should really catch up on this
>>82702328
Definitely. It's totally artificial inside and out.
>>82702333
I meant the Hickman one.
Also, Annhilation was good.
>>82702337
Oh. I stopped reading Invincible so long ago. Did he make those bug people that Mark's dad lived with dress really slutty and wear lipstick so he could produce progeny? That's a little hilarious.
>>82702390
The blood transfusion he got from his grandfather basically just made him a Super Soldier... Which is still not something that's indestructible.
>>82701319
Wasn't DC doing Sinestro Corps War around the same time? Because I remember it was getting a whole shit load of good buzz here.
I mean they also had Amazons Attack at the same time but let's not talk about that.
>>82702535BEES.
>>82702535
Yeah, we even got a fantastic depiction of Superboy Prime outta that.
>>82702604
My God.
>>82702604
>>82702649
>Amazons Attack is DC's big event for 2007 with all their marketing power pushing it
>Almost ten years later its only remembered for its deadly bee weapon
>>82702759
... You know, I can't remember a single thing about it, now that you mention it.
>>82701196
>/co/ only read shitty comics
Then /co/ should have read Civil War
Anyone got a link to the parody one? I've been having trouble finding it again, and I could use a laugh.
>>82701810
The best part was that everyone knew he'd wind up getting his secret identity back and a year later it happened and was just as dumb as the gag, if not worse.
>>82700982
I kinda liked it when it came out because I was young and pretty new to cape comics, and I just didn't know better.
I still like the concept and a few moments here and there, but he execution leaves much to be desired.
I think the worst part might be how it completely sullied characters like Stark and Reed (not that they haven't been assholes before, but nothing to this level, IMO). It's ridiculous that we're supposed to buy them as heroes again and that everyone acts like nothing happened. I know about the mindwipe thing but that's even worse.
It's also terrible how it stained pretty much every non-cosmic book coming out at the time.
Admittedly, some of the tie-ins were pretty good. I still really like the Cable and Deadpool story.
>>82703460
http://mightygodking.com/i-dont-need-your-civil-war/
>>82703758
The gag at least wasn't tainted with bitterness and a middle finger to the fanbase.
>>82704204
The Tie-Ins were sometimes the only salvagable parts, and other times you could just tell how pissed some of the writers were about having get involved in it.
I remember Dan Slott had She-Hulk at the time and was peeved that they put Shulkie on the Pro-Reg side, but used it as a catalyst for a pretty alright storyline where Jennifer Walters and She-Hulk each felt differently about it.
Reminder that somebody thought it was a good idea to put a lethal weapon in a kid's hands and then put them in a training exercise against a kid whose power is to mentally traumatize people.
>>82704427
I actually really like The Initiative. Best thing to come out of this whole mess IMO. I wish those characters were used more.
>>82704356
Thanks, mate.
>>82700982
>>82701053
I got into comics a little bit before Civil War started happening and I just wasn't really interested in it so I never read it.
>>82704204
>I think the worst part might be how it completely sullied characters like Stark and Reed
I still wonder what would have happened to Iron Man if his film hadn't been successful and we didn't get the MCU. There was this weird period around 2007 / 2008 where he felt like the most loathed character in Marvel. It seemed like every appearance outside his book happened solely so that he could get shit on.
>>82702115
Arguably most big Marvel events were worse than Civil War. And I reread it recently and remembered how badly it held up.
>I honestly think AvX was dumber
I don't know, AvX is definitely dumber than Civil War but I'd say Bendis' Age of Ultron was worse.
I'm amazed that it took five writers to work on AvX and the result was an inferior version of a bad Millar event story.
>mcu fags going back to tear the comic again because the movie sucked
No one should have adapted this shit in the first place.
>>82704790
>I'm amazed that it took five writers to work on AvX and the result was an inferior version of a bad Millar event story.
That's WHY it was worse. When has writing by committee ever worked?
>>82704790
>I'm amazed that it took five writers to work on AvX
remember how psyched everyone was when Hickman did issue 6 and it was like pretty good?
and then Jason Aaron and Bendis wrote the remaining ones and everyone remembered it was just another Marvel event
>>82701634
But Initiative was the best Marvel status quo in decades.
>>82704862
Other than 52 that is. And 52 was mostly just a bunch of largely disconnected stories running concurrently with a bit of crossover.
>>82704859
Callin the movie an adaptation is kind of a stretch. And the majority agrees that it was a good movie.
>>82704862
it was a speed thing really.
also imagine any one of those involved doing the whole thing by themselves, would've been a hell of a lot worse.
>>82704736
>It seemed like every appearance outside his book happened solely so that he could get shit on.
And we couldn't get enough of it.
>>82704929
52 was fucking amazing.
>That Dibny plotline
>Based Black Adam
>The Question mentoring Montoya
>>82704790
>Bendis' Age of Ultron was worse.
Hey. Age of Ultron was actually pretty good until the time travel stuff turned it into utter shit and Hitch left the book.
>>82704859
Please, the movie was barely an adaptation and was actually good.
>>82705136
Like he said, it was basically a bunch of disconnected stories. None of them muddled with the others.
>>82705136
>52 was fucking amazing.
>>82701289
>I always thought it was very well received since they had an entire hemisphere of nerds salivating for the movie.
You mean people that have never read a comic book and thought the idea of superheroes fighting each other was cool
>>82705212
Are you implying it wasn't? I sure hope you're not.
>>82702535
>Wasn't DC doing Sinestro Corps War around the same time?
That came a while later.
DC was just coming off of Infinite Crisis when Civil War started so there was a lot of bitching going on in /co/.
>>82704736
>MCU Thor will never get his moment to show his real power and talk shit to any of the other Avengers
>his one chance in Age of Ultron was turned into a quip so Vision could use Mjolnir
>>82705136
>>82704929
52 worked because the writers were able to do whatever they fucking wanted without Editorial telling them to fuck off. DiDio fucking despised it and vowed to never let it happen again, which is how we ended up with this nightmare.
That DiDio called it "52 done right" baffles me to this day.
>>82704937
For what?
>Hey, let's forgot about the accords 20 minutes in and replace it with the original plan of the movie, that will be good!
>Fuck! War Machine is paralyzed!...lol no new legs xd!
>Hey! let's turn Cap into an unlikable piece of shit!
>Oh! choose a side? The fuck? Nobody cares about the accords except the manlet and his black friend.
>How can we make Tony fight with Cap? Oh yeah! Let's turn the plot of the movie into a revenge plot!
>Holy kek, the villain has a revenge plot too! ISN'T THAT HELLA FUCKING EPIC?!!1!
10/10 Based Russos
>>82705296
Kappa
>>82705426
Please don't remind me of this abomination
>>82705458
ebin b8 xDDD
>>82705556
Remind you of what, anon? That DC took a great concept, gutted everything that made it work, and turned it into a weekly showcase/catalog for all their current event comics? All while simultaneously ruining what should have been the build up to Final Crisis? Why would anyone remind you of that?
>>82705556
>ebin b8 xDDD
Triggered?
>>82705728
Don't forget he kicker: It was completely inconsequential to Final Crisis in every way possible and might as well not have been canon.
>>82705728
Stop
>>82701053
I wonder why...
>>82706108
>>82701053
I will freely admit, I haven't read it, and have no plans to. After reading Final Crisis I have absolutely no need of reading more overrated disjointed "EPIC EVENTS".
Tbh I'm surprised where all this 90's hate in comic fandom comes from - 90's had a lot of redeeming value with Transmetropolitan, Sandman, Hellboy, Kingdom Come, et cetera - while when you look at 2000's have been pretty much pure shit, with barely any exceptions.
E.g. Y the Last Man wasn't even that good, it's fondly remembered mostly because it was one of few things of that decade that wasn't shit.
>>82705728
>>82705962
How many times did Mary Marvel switch between being good and evil? I forgot.
>>82701069
>What the hell is even going on with this comic? Just so many mischaracterizations, and then playing up this supposed deep friendship between Cap and Iron Man that was never really there (They were, at best, work friends).
I got the impression that they were somewhat close. Like the time Tony was going to kill himself to give CPR to save Steve. (Pic related)
Steve/Tony was my favorite ship before the MCU was a big thing.
>>82704427
Poor Cloud 9, she just wanted to fly. Fuck Rhodey.
>>82705458
>turn Cap into an unlikable piece of shit!
I don't think we watched the same movie, anon.
Cap was the same people-person he's always been. He even gave Tony a second....er, sixth...chance to redeem himself. He was totally bro toward Spidey, he didn't get all weird about Scott having a fangasm meeting him, he was polite enough to address Black Panther as "Your Highness" as soon as he unmasked, he reminded Wanda that they saved far more people than they lost and that you can't let mistakes stop you from trying to do good, he rescued all his friends from General Ross's Big Gay Boat Ride, and even gave Tony a way to contact them if he ever needed their help even after all of Tony's bullshit.
No one has ever been more bro than Cap.
>>82705458
Go to bed Snyder.
>>82701069
Who is Booze? Z-Lister?
>>82702759
I remember Amazons brutally murdering tourists in DC because fuck the rest of Earth. Also, I think they set Kansas on fire.
>>82712723
I think I remember the New Gods being involved too. It tied/led in to Countdown to Final Crisis, didn't it? All of DC's shitty books from that era bled together.
>>82700982
Yeah there's a reason a lot of us were skittish about Civil War being a movie. The whole comic was kind of a mess that only served to make a poorly conceived reason for Iron Man and Cap to get armies together and punch it out. It was just trying to manufacture drama to get them to fightsort of like Batman vs Supermanas opposed to creating an organic situation where they would come to blows with each other.
So yeah the Civil War movie kind of strayed from the original comic's premise, but that's a good thing. They took the broad strokes of the Civil War concept and worked it into a story that made a rift between the Avengers work.
tl;dr Anyone who wants Civil War to be more like the comic obviously does not remember how much the comic sucked.
>>82704913
This. The actual event was terrible but the status quo that followed was very interesting through to its end in Dark Reign.
>>82705426
Didio was referring specifically to the editorial side of Countdown. 52 was a nightmare on the editorial side full of last minute changes that caused the story to go off the rails from what it was originally intended to do. The last few weeks was them doing everything they could to not create plot holes with the on-goings.
>>82708919
That was the result of different writers. Countdown had Black Adam transfer his powers to her putting her under the influence of his more violent and bloodthirsty patrons and her being manipulated by Eclipso. Morrison had her possessed by Desaad.
>>82713482
Countdown resolved a plot point from AA, Granny Goodness kidnapping and posing as Athena.
>>82702088
Which hero was supposed to be blackmailed into committing suicide by having his kid kidnapped? Not Reed, since his ID has been known openly....
I liked some of the things that came directly after CW, but CW itself wasn't too great.
>>82704736
I think that if it weren't for RDJ and the movies Iron Man would have been permanently killed off.
People HATED Tony after Civil War. People legitimately and profoundly despised him. Marvel even tried to fix it by rebooting his memories and wiping away his responsibility and people STILL hated him. Iron Man was fucking poison after Civil War.
What I'm wondering is, how did Tony get shat on so much when Reed Richards got off so easily? Reed was nearly as big of a fascist as Tony was in the event.
>>82714729
Reed wasn't the face of it, and the Fantastic Four have been fading in prominence for a long time.
Hank Pym was a major leader of the registration side, but nobody hated him for it.
>>82701289
>What was wrong with Civil War the comic?
I was an inconsistent nightmare.
The tone, event beats and timing never worked out in the tie-in titles. (Which were really necessary to fill in the holes of the main mini)
Iron Man was wildly inconsistent across the board.
No one on the writing staff was on the same page. The events that played out in the main mini would be wildly different in the support titles that expanded on the scene.
Just look at Spider-Man's confrontation with Tony in the mini vs Spider-Man's tie-in.
One has Tony being a nutcase and the other has Tony being rational and trying to reason with Peter.
The mini was laaaaaaaaaate as hell too.
>>82714796
Hank Pym also literally wasn't involved. It's kinda hard to hate a guy who turns out to have been kidnapped and replaced before the whole thing went down. Reed was also a rather passive participant and seemed to have a better grasp on the moral dilemma and consequences of his actions.
>>82701053
There was a storytime here like last week.
>>82714729
Hickman pulled serious fucking bullshit where he "revealed" that Reed was actually fucking right and that had he and he alone spearheaded the pro-Reg side, he'd have made the SHR work and kept Tony and Steve from killing each other. And then pulled bullshit where he revealed that on EVERY ALTERNATE EARTH, the ones where Reed alone ran the pro-Reg side, that there was no civil war.
>>82714796
Hank being a party to Reed and Tony's shit was widely reviled by fans but treated as par for the course given that Millar, like Jim Shooter and Chuck Austen, HATES HATES HATES Pym and made him part of the bad guy side.
The only difference is that HANK was the only one where Marvel full-on caved in terms of reversing shit, by way of the Skrull imposture reveal.
>>82714729
While both are rich Tony is framed as the Rich guy who has everything. People really dislike that.
Reed will always have the underlying effect that he is a bad father/husband/friend so he is easier to stomach.
Remember most comic readers of the big two are young adults or stuck in such a mindset.
>>82715052
>Hickman pulled serious fucking bullshit where he "revealed" that Reed was actually fucking right and that had he and he alone spearheaded the pro-Reg side, he'd have made the SHR work and kept Tony and Steve from killing each other. And then pulled bullshit where he revealed that on EVERY ALTERNATE EARTH, the ones where Reed alone ran the pro-Reg side, that there was no civil war.
all meant to lead up to Reed being the only one worthy of being God the Father.
>>82714911
>Reed was also a rather passive participant and seemed to have a better grasp on the moral dilemma and consequences of his actions.
>One has Tony being a nutcase and the other has Tony being rational and trying to reason with Peter.
That's because JMS, who was writing F4 and ASM at the time I believe, tried to insert some sort of sanity into the event. He even wrote that awesome F4 issue or issues where Thing goes to France and hangs out with the JL of France.
>>82715300
also for >>82714889
>>82715106
I think that does play in to it. Tony is old money, Reed is a self-made man.
>>82715300
JMS' Civil War comics are fun because you can see how much effort he put into making it feel natural and everyone's conflict feel believable and emotional. Hell he took a couple Spider-Man issues to bring the registration up early and introduce Tony's moral ambiguity trying to stave off the registration and build his relationship with Peter.
Then Millar took a big shit over the entire MU and nothing made any sense.
>>82715499
I think that story backfired as it made Tony look violent and authoritarian and ran counter to his reasoning once Civil War began. I mean, he hired a supervillain to attack a Congressional hearing just to make himself look good for stopping it while also stopping the hearing from taking place. That's full Pym right there.
>>82714796
No they were too busy hating Hank for shit that happened YEARS ago to bother hating him for the Civil War debacle.
>>82700982
>>82701069
I'd just like to remind everyone that stopping a mugging is a thing you personally are totally allowed to do in real life right now if you witness it happening.
>>82716725
You mean without registering?!
CRIMINALS
>>82701289
It was a garbage story with no consistent tone because writers did whatever, it ends in a punch out between Steve and Tony that's ended because firefighters, EMTs and other "real heroes" separate them, it damaged Tony so much they had to soft reset the character, the complete shitting on the New Warriors it did and worst of all due to its insane popularity at the time it's directly responsible for the decade of hero vs. hero shit we've had since.
Fuck Civil War.
>>82716725
>>82717014
>Hawkeye is seen stopping a mugging
>SHIELD destroys two office buildings and kills nine people in the crossfire
>turns out it was just one of the guys who stand in Times Square in costume hassling tourists
That's not even getting into the fact that based on what little we were told about the SHRA being a non-powered vigilante wasn't illegal.
>>82715499
Between Civil War, the Unfunnies, Trouble, and Nemesis, is Millar the worst writer to be commercially successful? Certainly within the last decade he must be.
>>82705458
i hate to say half of this is true
either way, i still enjoyed the movie for the most part
>you're a newfag
>no, YOU'RE a newfag
>>82705290
>thought the idea of superheroes fighting each other was cool
it is cool
>>82714911
Who had idea to make Pym Skrull?
>>82704913
And now it's gone, like everything that came out of Civil War.
>>82717427
Hard to say. Bendis was involved with worse event comics. But if you bring up Ultimate Spider-Man as a counter then we'd have to bring up Millar's Superman work. And at least with Trouble, Millar said he thought it was the worst thing he wrote and done as a favor to someone at Marvel.
I can't think of a Bendis comic as bad as Nemesis or Unfunnies though.
>>82717798
>I can't think of a Bendis comic as bad as Nemesis or Unfunnies though.
Does Last Will and Testament of Charles Xavier count?
This was the most retarded shit I've ever seen, how in the fuck did he come back from this what was even left of him to regenerate
>>82700982
Yeah, one of the most hilariously off parts of Civil War was the way the authorities went after superheroes way, way harder than they've ever gone after villains.
>>82717830
I would say his X-Men run was terrible as fuck but doesn't make someone feel awful when reading in the way the Unfunnies does.
>>82701683
what's wrong with Hush?
civil war was actually awesome. some issues were better than others, but the overall plot and the way it played out was incredibly relevant vis-a-vis the political situation in the country in 2008. i'd say the same for secret invasion.
marvel is incredibly deft at addressing key social issues with their books.
>>82717909
nothing but your reading comprehension.
>>82701727
Did you also know that Civil War is Marvel's most consistent best-selling TPB in the non-comic market for the last eight years?
>>82701396
>Did people like it?
People liked picking sides. The fun pretty much stopped when they killed "Literally who?" and Tony started sending capes off to Prison 42 Gitmo. Cap giving up was also dogshit.
>>82717761
Probably Bendis, seeing as he was behind Secret Invasion.
>>82717909
It's terrible.
>>82717888
That's what I have so far. If Bendis changes his mind and starts writing edgefests, we'll have winner.
>>82717984
Huh. Last guy I'd think of.
>>82702887
How can you forget Supergirl and Wonder Girl crashing Air Force One?
>>82718075
Keep in mind that even if he was the one who had the idea for Skrull Pym, he'd still have editorial approving or disallowing his plans for what happens.
>>82704477
Oh, the Initiative was great. Both the comic, and the concept of mandating superhero teams to exist across the country, not just New York City.
But Civil War was a shit way of pulling that off, the Initiative's storyline was basically dedicated to shitting on the Pro-Reg side for being a brutal serve-or-die draft, and the whole thing started falling apart with the next big crossover.
Also, you don't really want the characters used more. They're not important enough. They'd end up like [insert student X-Man name here]
>>82702759
It's remembered for being utterly shit
To the point that DC tries to make people forget it was a thing.
>>82704929
52 was not written by committee. 52 was basically an anthology book where each of the writers had designated characters.
>>82717848
oh man such a great storyline
thats the one where he jumped out of the helicarrier too
>>82702337
>Battle Beast
I'm still sad, but what a fucking way to go. Freddie wearing him as a fucking cape has got to be about the craziest sign of respect I've ever seen from him, in its own way.
>>82718257
Kind of a blend. The four writers were in contact all the time and hashing out plotlines and character usage but each had their own little realm to work with.
>>82717848
That was hilarious. It came about because Guggenheim misremembered that X-Men story where Wolverine was resurrected from a drop of blood (it landed on the Crystal of Ultimate Vision, which was the real reason he resurrected)
So after that Guggenheim had to write a story where it's revealed Wolverine fights an angel or something every time he dies and that was how he got resurrected, and then used it to get rid of the super-resurrection ability.
>>82718630
You can definitely see it going on, too. Johns was clearly doing Black Adam and Booster Gold, the island of scientists has Morrison written all over it, and Rucka was very obviously Renee. You can see a fair amount of Keith Giffen in the cosmic stuff, too.
the best thing about civil war was the memes on /co/ when it happened
>>82718918
Many laughs were had making Iron Man constantly yell "REGISTER!"
>>82702088
>http://www.denofgeek.com/us/books-comics/captain-america-civil-war/254921/marvels-civil-war-12-versions-of-the-story
>NOVELIZATION (2012)
>Otherwise, Peter Parker and Mary Jane are not married, making it Joe Quesada’s favorite take on the story.
I honestly think I actually hate Joe Queseda.
>>82700982
Civil War is one of the most overrated comic book arcs ever. Followed by World War Hulk, what an absolute shit show that was. It was page after page of everyone just beating off the Hulk.
>>82718974
I'M A STARK
I'M A STARK
SUCK MY DIIIICKAND REGISTER
>>82701466
The best part of looking back at that whole speech is how irrelevant half the bullshit she was talking about became. To this day I cannot fathom what the mother fucker who wrote that was thinking or why he felt that she had made a pertinent enough point to completely stump Cap. Thank god for edits.
How hard did you cringe when reading these panels?
>>82704204
>Admittedly, some of the tie-ins were pretty good. I still really like the Cable and Deadpool story.
The Howard the Duck story (collected in the Ty Templeton trade, "Media Duckling") was pretty amusing too.Howard begrudgingly tries to register, fearing reprisals from SHIELD, and the agent he speaks with basically tells him to fuck off because he personally had to file all the reports of weird shit Howard got up to and was mocked by his peers for being the "giant duck sightings" guy, so he now denies Howard's existence on principal and, therefore, claims cannot register a non-entity.
>>82719134
>>82719160
Who DID write that?
>American Idol is cancelled and the company went belly-up
http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/29/media/american-idol-bankruptcy-core-media-group/
>NASCAR won't even say how many people attend its races anymore
http://www.forbes.com/sites/roberttuchman/2015/02/23/what-has-happened-to-the-once-high-flying-sport-of-nascar/#14273c145c0b
>The Simpsons had already declined vastly in viewership from its peak
http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/5225fb9969beddca24eca9ef-1200-858/television%20simps.png
>Myspace
HAHAHAHA
>>82719160
>do you know what Myspace is?
I know it's not relevant
>Do you know who won the last world series?
Not my hometown team. also why wouldn't Cap follow baseball because he was from the past? Considering baseball was probably bigger then than now?
>or who was the last American Idol?
an overrated bland hack?
>When was the last time you actually attended a NASCAR race?
Never in my life.
>watched the Simpsons
like actually sat and watched an episode: probably decades.
>logged onto youtube to watch a stupid video
oh, I've got that! I did that specifically to watch a stupid video earlier this week.I tried reading Civil War a few months ago and noped out during the first issue it was so awful. What exactly is this bitch's point?
>>82718987
It's the right choice, anon.
>>82719253
Paul Jenkins. He also wrote Fallen Sun, the comic where everyone pretended that Sentry wasn't a complete ponce for thirty pages.
>>82719332
Oh fuck, that's the one where the Wreckers murder a bus full of school children, right?
>>82719354
Not sure, as I only went through snippets, but it was the comic where they retconned in that he was super secretly everybody's best friend and he also took Rogue's virginity.
>>82719378
Oh right, that too. What a shitbowl.
>>82718987
I'm pretty sure if Quesadilla got run over by a truck the world would lose nothing
>>82701053
I only read it relatively recently via storytime and it was worse than I expected
>>82719134
>became
It was already irrelevant, Nascar? The Simpsons had died years ago ffs
>>82719160
Welcome to IRL Cap, sometimes those innocent civilians don't really deserve to be saved.
>>82719259
That he's not a REAL American just because he isn't in tune with pop culture or some dumb shit like that
>>82719378
To be fair, Sentry was retconned in as everyone's best friend from day 1.
The original Sentry event had him having won a Pulitzer for Peter Parker, br the only person whp calmed the Hulk, and was the reason Angel was okay with being a mutant.
Then he actually got moved into continuity proper and became a Jessica Drew grade Bendis turd.
>>82719722
Sentry is one of those concepts that really only works in a one-off. What's cute in a non-canon one-off is really degrading in actual fiction.
>>82717289
>>82719722
To be fair, he was a delusonal schitzo with reality-warping powers.
So like Joker, his personal history was multiple choice.
>>82713529
Yes. Dark Reign was loads of fun!
I still want more Mac Venom masquerading as Spidey to this very day!!
>>82718987
>I honestly think I actually hate Joe Queseda.
I think the author was joking based on Quesada's involvement with OMD and all that shit. I don't think Quesada ever said anything about the novelization.
>>82719846
Reminds me of that always inevitable Morrison overreaching.
>>82719985
I wanna know why villianous would-be superheroes aren't more of a problem?
Think about it: you get superpowers, you want to beat people mercilessly with impunity, why the hell would you self-identify as a villian and not a hero?
There's a reason police academies have to screen for sociopaths.
>>82719160
It was more like anger than cringe.
But when I read it now it's so fucking unintentionally hilarious in hindsight for the reasons that >>82719253 and >>82719259 mention.
Like the only things that have at least vague relevance today were the world series and Youtube, so she seriously doesn't have a point anymore, especially when the sliding timeline happens to have Civil War occur only five years ago or something.
>>82719354
>>82719378
Yeah, it's the one where the Thing mentioned the Wrecker murdered a bus of children to show that he could. Which was fucking bullshit. It's the same kind of thing I get tired of in James Robinson's comics sometimes, too.
Luckily they decided to pretend that Sentry epilogue never happened.
>>82719700
Exactly this.
Her next lines were about how he was from the WW2 era and frozen for half a century and how when he thawed out he spent half his time superheroing in space adventures ...
And THAT'S why Captain America himself, him, is out of touch with core American values.
But it's not like he's going to quip, she's got the grieving parent pass to say whatever crap she wants. Her kid died so she could say that.
>>82720014
Honestly, I'd say Morrison's issue is the opposite of Sentry's. The thing that made people grumble about Morrison's Batman run was that it was all about taking little pieces of Batman's history and trying to bring them into the foreground, which made all the people who don't possess encyclopedic knowledge of the Batmen of All Nations or that one doctor fellow from Robin Dies At Dawn feel rather irritated.
Meanwhile, Sentry tries to add in history where none exists. It doesn't matter how often Bendis and Jenkins say that Sentry was the only guy who could ever calm Hulk down or that he was the guy Reed Richards could always talk to about his family, because that was never there. Where Morrison tried to encourage people to browse musty old back issues, Bendis and Jenkins say "What? No, those never happened; it was the Sentry who was Reed's best friend. You don't remember it? Fuck you, this is the Modern Age of Comics, and I say it's canon now."
>>82720258
I thought she was the reporter, not the one whose kid died.
>>82720122
>Think about it: you get superpowers, you want to beat people mercilessly with impunity, why the hell would you self-identify as a villian and not a hero?
I've been thinking about writing a story about that. A fictional superhero universe where it's not just people in powers with plainclothes, like other have tried to do the "what if people started getting superpowers in the real world" story. No, if people started getting superpowers, some of them would immediately decide to put on crazy outfits and start stopping crime. So what You'd have is a fictional world where right off the bat, there is no one who self-identifies as a "supervillain" and few organizations where one side is just a team up of "heroes" and the other side "villains". Many people would continue along the same divisions they do now. Superpoliticians, Superchristians, Supermuslims, Superfeminists, Superracists, etc.
>>82720258
>she's got the grieving parent pass
Huh?
>>82720217
Well thank SecretWars3 that those little glitches are all now continuity cleansed away.
...But I'm a little nervous now that Marvel writers know they can also use the Five-year DC Crisis eraser too.
>>82701053
I read it like a month ago and it was just okay. Nothing really incredible, it was just shock value throughout the whole thing.
>>82720463
>that JEEEEEEEAAAAAN
Every time.
>>82720463
>Well thank SecretWars3 that those little glitches are all now continuity cleansed away.
IIRC they didn't bother collecting the Sentry epilogue in the Siege TPBs, so I assumed Marvel wanted everyone to quietly forget about it.
>>82720432
It's a thing. When my dad died my grandmother was saying all sorts of horrible stuff. And it's just the rule that you let that go.
I imagine that shrew wouldn't be the only Stamford parent saying dangerously crazy crap if that was an IRL event.
>>82720585
No I mean, I don't recall that Sally lost a kid.
>>82700982
It was pretty weird how all the worst fears about the superhuman registration came true yet we where supposed to think Iron Man was right in the end.
>>82720572
Hey man, don't mock: she hasn't come back yet. We mutie-fans are starting to get worried.
>>82705365
I know your pain. Making the Thor movies into a romcom is Marvel's biggest sin.
>>82720593
He was mixing it up with the other really bitchy woman in Civil War. Sally had a kid and got fucked over by the conflict, but she didn't lose a kid.
>>82720655
It's just... All those important and memorable events in Marvel history, birth of Namor, spider biting Peter, Banner getting nuked, birth of F4, Bullseye killing Elektra... and JEEEAAAAN.
>>82720273
You make the writing syles of Morrison sound a lot like Bendis' in that description. I know that can't be the case: nobody on /co/ views them anywhere near the same way.
>>82720715
Sally lost her daughter just prior to M-Day.
>>82720725
I wasn't. I was saying they're the opposite. Morrison is all about digging up old continuity; Bendis is all about trying to cover it up.
>>82720463
Why is the Thing putting his penis on a babies head?
>>82718826
I believe the cosmic stuff was primarily Morrison. With Animal Man there and all.
There's a writer's commentary where Lobo is pitched to Morrison and he says "You know, I never really liked Lobo" and that's where we get Lobo the Priest.
>>82701053
I've been reading comics since I could read, and still haven't actually read this piece of crap. I've read bits and pieces and know the story, but I have no desire to actually delve into it.
>>82720811
Lobo the Preist is probably my favorite Lobo. It's so goddamn hilarious
>>82719160
American """""""""culture"""""""""
>>82701850
That's hot.
>>82721568
>>82701850
Spidey should've went for it.
By the time she found out he was married he'll have made his deal with the devil.
>>82701850
Requesting aco storytime of this.
>>82701818
wait who was that milf and why should i hate her. this page made me like her and fuck mj
>>82700982
>What If...? Civil War is released in Vol 6
>second story basically is What If Cap and Tony Weren't Vindictive, Triggered Asshats?
>Tony, the insert for the reader, is crying as the Watcher shows that there was literally no reason for Civil War to happen
>this is released not even a year after Civil War is done
Beautiful
>>82721754
>wait who was that milf and why should i hate her.
Because she said this:
>>82719160
>>82721642
It probably happened in the timeline where Spider-Man never married Mary Jane.
Hey, wait a minute.
>>82721899
Is that the source of that page where Steve and Tony are in some Mega Avengers control room observing various teams on monitors then give each other a really warm, homoerotic look?
>>82700982
Would it have been better if the anti-reg guys were supposed to win? Because I think that's a big part of it. Marvel has had decades of administrations being at best irrelevant, often an obstruction to good people trying to do the right thing, at worst downright evil like Hank Gyrich or anything Sentinel-related (minus Juston). And suddenly here's that event that says we should be agreeing with the pro-reg side even though that goes against the stance nearly all their previous comics had. I think that's why we ended up with Iron Nazi, most of the writers were clearly penning him as the villain of the piece.
>>82718987
>>NOVELIZATION (2012)
>>Otherwise, Peter Parker and Mary Jane are not married, making it Joe Quesada’s favorite take on the story.
Reminder that the Kraven's Last Hunt novelization also had Peter & MJ unmarried, despite the fact that the guy who wrote the original story stated it was integral to the plot that Peter had just gotten married.
THANKS QUESADA
>>82720463
>Cover to Amazing Spider-Man vs. Superman is in there
Noice.
>>82719160
Anyone got the rewrite of this?
>>82721916
i don't see a problem with it more or less. what she is trying to say is he may fight for the people but has little social life, but i understand what your saying as all of the shit she said is toxic bullshit is not a good example of what she is trying to say to him. all i see from her right now is a teenage kid bitching and moaning.
Myspace/tumblr = drama and stupid masses getting toghter to talk shit about stuff they don't understand or know about.
Last world series= fuck sports not everybody likes it
American idol= gay stupid shit that got canceled
Nascar= hahahahahhahahahahah no
The simpsons= they still give that shit
youtube= have you seen the comments its tumblr 2.0
>>82700982
I remember how great the what if comics were, >cap and iron lady getting married, proving that if cap just needs to get laid.
>Showing that Tony was right and everyone would have died if they went with caps way of thinking
>Saying that if they had compromised everything would have turned out right
>Pic related having the two end as self sacrificing heroes
>>82721979
There's this
>>82722111
It's silly how they had two different comics about Nova coming back and calling the whole thing retarded
>>82722032
I didn't notice that. That's pretty fucking baller.
>>82722038
>>82700982
the worst thing about civil war is how it will never go away
>>82714729
What gets me about it is that Iron Man's Civil War tie-in and later Iron Man: Director of SHIELD is probably the best best Iron Man comic I've ever read. Much better than Matt "ARE YOU TIRED OF ME SAYING BLEEDING EDGE YET?" Fraction's run.
>>82700982
You have to understand Anon
He is black
>>82704736
I don't understand why Nova is upset, the galaxy is a huge place and Earth doesn't have an active watch on what happens in space.
So why should they care about what happen in some fuck all part of the cosmos?
>>82722705
Because 1) Annihilation was kind of a HUGE thing, trillions of dead people, and the Avengers have bothered for way less before and 2) they knew, or at least Reed did (Super Skrull told him) but didn't do jack about it because apparently registration was more important.
Also Annihilus was also kinda pissed at them for building their super Guantanamo in his backyard.
>>82722765
>Annihilation was kind of a HUGE thing, trillions of dead people, and the Avengers have bothered for way less before
Yes but it was a HUGE thing in a part that they don't give two shits about, again did Earth even had a decent surveillance system over what was going on at space?
I like Civil War.
Deal with it nerds.
>>82700982
Pretty much all I can remember about it is how retarded everyone and everything abut it was.
>>82722570
You also had Hypervelocity and Warren Ellis' Ultimate Iron Man stuff. Weird time for the character. Some of his best stories came at his lowest point.
>Much better than Matt "ARE YOU TIRED OF ME SAYING BLEEDING EDGE YET?" Fraction's run.
What, you don't like artwork where everyone looks like they just came out of a swimming pool?
My favourite moment of Civil War is when Nova comes back from fighting the Annihilation Wave and shittalks Stark
>>82723216
hey, look, it's been posted
>>82704736
MARK MILLAR
LICKS GOATS
>>82714729
Reed has always been a shit, so no one cared.
>>82700982
> with no regard to whether or not he could even survive
You mean white cops using excessive force against a black kid? Yeah, I know. When does that ever happen?
>>82722482
Sweet.
>>82701053
I got into comics right after Civil War and did not want to even try and get into that huge fucking mess.
