Lets start with Tigra from Marvel comics. my suggestion for a nemesis? Kraven the Hunter.
Tigra is something of a feminist while Kraven is an old-timey mysoginis
Tigra integrates into the environment while Kraven only seeks to dominate the environment
they could have a sexy Batman/Catwoman thing go on
My dick
>>84566670
You again?I feel like it's just too on the nose. We get it, she's a big cat.
>>84566670
I really don't think characters deserve a nemesis until they get their own book.
Miles needs a nemesis (maybe it would be more interesting to read). Maybe give him and Bombshell an Batman-Catwoman/Spidey-BlackCat flirtatious rivalry kind of thing.
>>84566972
I posted this like, 5 months ago.
>>84567153
isn't Miles's Nemesis da police?
>>84567153
>awkward teen Miles debating over whether Bombshell likes him or not but then realizing she's technically a supervillain so he has to worry about whether it's moral to have this kind of thing with her
>asks Peter for help
>it's useless
yes, I'd like more of this please instead of clickbait events and "this is totally gonna be permanent" character changes
>>84567162
No, you posted it like a few weeks.....jesus christ it was March?
>>84567226
I'm not saying "GET OUT", I'm not telling you you're here to much (Lord knows I'm in no position to talk) but times like this I think it's good to take a little break from the site, get your bearings. Just say'n.
>>84567367
No I didn't think you were telling me to leave, and yeah I really need to get out of here.
Fucking March?
>>84567809
Who is this?
What about this cheerful chap
>>84568017
Mr X would be the obvious choice, maybe gorgon. if ya don't know, he's a blood knight martial artist from Marvel with telepathy that lets him see his opponent's next move
>>84568014
Coat of Arms.
>>84567153
Miles' nemesis should be the tumblr girl.
I don't know how but it would work but I want it to happen.
Would be interesting to see a proper supervillain nemesis for Deadman.
>>84568165
She should obviously be his JJJ, disgruntled he's not doing enough to help other minority and female causes.
>>84568165
obsessed stalker with a crush who gets on trouble but miles fails to save her and as a result she hates him?
>>84568054
Nah. Karnak's whole thing is being able to see the flaws in something. I suppose they both work in terms of pre-empting the flaws, but it'd be more fitting for him to have a nemesis with no flaws/with a flawlessly indestructible body.
>>84566670
I think you have a good idea OP. Feels kind of Silver Age.
>>84566972
People like you are the reason comics aren't fun anymore.
>>84568054
>>84568382
What about somebody with a healing factor or something like doomsday where they would fix the flaw after he hits it.
>>84567809
>Squueeeee
Too 'quirky' for me
>>84567809
Capes are art and kino and patrician and you and your little girl fanfics and shipping are dumb.
Now excuse me while I sculpt the death of Captain Marvel out of dog food.
>>84566670
I vote for this chick.
>>84568243
Alive man, ghost turned human
>>84568311
>>84568344
Something close to this.
He saves her from something and she's freaking out. Repeatedly calling him the Black Spiderman and going on and on about how great it is he's black. He stops her, and politely explains it's not about him being black and would she be any less grateful if it was white hero that saved her life. He implies that what she says is just the opposite side of the same racist coin that the people that bitch about him being black. That they both focus on his race instead of the good he's trying to do.
BOOM! she fucking explodes. And goes on this huge internet tirade against him. And starts spouting about internalized racism and how wrong she was about him. Everything he does becomes politically charged, he saves more whites than minorities, he saves more men than women...or women than men because they're to weak to look after themselves, look how uncomfortable he looks when this tranny thanks him with a hug.
>>84568243
He had some good rumbles with the Gentleman Ghost in Brave and the Bold.
>>84568870
I'd kind of love Blogger Girl to turn into Miles's JJJ.
>>84568434
but a silverage comic would be more likely to have a villain that was it's own wacky thing, not so obvious.
>>84568722
>I am going to ram that she-cat!
Titles for porn?
>>84569071
I think borrowing one of Spidey's villains is a bad idea, though Tigra fighting a twisted big game hunter themed villain could be cool.
>>84569022
Never saw Brave and the Bold, I'll look it up.
>>84569164
I think it's fine to use him for that but the premise works better for a one off or occasional thing. Making him her nemesis is kinda lame.
>>84569102
>And playtime was just beginning
Was this claremont?
>>84567809
>Kamala Enemy
>Not Big Pig Guy
>>84566670
Venom's nemesis: Whatever agencies were mind-raping it with drugs (so nemesi? I don't think it's been just one at this point)
Miles' nemesis: Uncle Rufus. I don't know how the copyright issues would work, but make it happen. Miles' greatest enemy is a racist black man who will use Miles' use of force as proof of Miles' savage ways
Carnage-man's nemsis: Public perception. Carnage-man tried not to be hardcore, but the universe won't let him.
Kaine's nemesis: Whoever's bullying Aracely
Ben's nemesis: being dead
Peter's nemesis: Kingpin (I know Green Goblin has more in-comic history with Parker, but the 90's show has convinced me that Kingpin is the best Archnemesis. I loved Spectacular but even it couldn't make that notion budge)
>>84566670
If Janet van Dyne were to ever get a solo I've always thought that with some reworking and maybe a new codename the villainous Spider-Woman, Charlotte Witter, would make a decent enemy for her.
They're both fashion designers and they've got the whole Spiders vs Wasps thing going for them. And its not like the Spider-Man books have used her at all in the last 15 years
>>84566670
>>84569164
>>84569323
Sometimes I feel like no one on /co/ actually reads comics. Chris Claremont already thought of this. Marvel Team Up 67.
>>84569323
I agree about limiting it, but I think the narrative practically writes it's self. I never really understood a crazy big game hunter being a Spidey specific villain.
>>84569642
I mostly read his mutant stuff.
>>84569642
What is it with Spidey and redheadsAlso, why's her hair black there?
>>84569767
Me too. But I got a cheap Essential Marvel Team-up trade a few years ago that had #67 in it. I was surprised no one had referenced it when I looked through the thread.
If you want an easy self contained adventure story, Marvel team up is dope.
>>84569423
Kingpin belongs to my husbando Matt
>>84569879
Yeah, I think OP is talking more about long term narrative rather than a one-off, though.
>>84569815
No Idea. The Essential trades are all black and white so I had never seen the actual cover before.
I don't think it changes in story.
>>84569642
Let's be fair here, there's a big difference between "no one here reads comics" and "no one here has read this one issue of a team-up book from 1978".
That issue is probably 15-20 years older than the average /co/mrade.
>>84567153
She should be his Black Cat/MJ
>>84569929
>Tigra is something of a feminist while Kraven is an old-timey mysoginis
Tigra integrates into the environment while Kraven only seeks to dominate the environment
they could have a sexy Batman/Catwoman thing go on
I get long term but this is a dead on description of what plays out in Marvel Team up #67.They get into this weird domination thing with Kraven trying to control Tigra and her fighting against his domination. It's filled with innuendo.
>>84566670
Warrior priestess from a cult of demonslaying amazons that she her as the champion sent here to challenge her faith in God.
A play on Wonder Woman vs Cheetah
>>84569742
Because he wanted the best hunt.
Narratively he's both too on the nose and too off the mark.
A big game hunter hunting a Tiger lady is beyond predictable but he lacks any history with her nor does he share motive/personality/anything that interestingly compliments Tigra's motives or personality. Being a Hunter is all he really brings to Tigra. Frankly it's all he really brings to Spidey until he got all Psychostalker on him.
>>84569968
Totally agree. But I get to give shit to people on the Internet because for once I actually read something that no one has mentioned.
>>84566670
Does Carol Danvers have a nemesis?
>>84570085
The Kree as a whole?
>>84570085
Mystique?
Moonstone?
>>84570085
Tony Stark
>>84570085
/co/
>>84570085
Yeah, the fact that she totally sucks as a character.
I'm Ms. Marvel, no I'm Binary, no I'm Warbird, no I'm Captain Marvel. Also a rape victim and alcoholic because no one knows what to do with me because I'm bland as fuck.
>>84569912
Out of curiousity, what came first, the 90's show of Kingpin migrating to be more prominent in Daredevils' books?
I'd imagine that Kingpin would be pretty big in most NY street-level heroes' books
>>84570129
The brood are pretty tied to her too. She destroyed their entire world and they hate her more than the x men
>>84570042
Actually I just realized what the real problem is you can't force an arch nemesis. There's not really anything that makes for an automatically good enemy they just have to work well together in well written stories and that history builds the characters. If you just keep trying to force a villain as an archenemy when nobody really likes them and they don't work well together, you just have a shitty story.
>>84566670
Tigra should get back with pym. Then make jocasta her nemesis and on and off lover
>>84570085
Her writers.
>>84570190
Ant man is doing it and very aware of it. Issue 3 he calls taskmaster his arch nemesis and tasky just laughs at him. Pretty great stuff
>>84570085
Booze
>>84570042
But Kraven could hunt anyone. I'm not saying Spidey isn't worthy prey, just that Spidey strikes me as being only one of many many potential trophies, and having him obsess over Spidey always struck me as odd.
>>84570488
Because Spidey put him to shame and it stewed in him.
>>84566670
Don't we have enough female heroes? When are you SJW's going to stop?
Nico Minoru arches?
Well, aside from her parents, Alex "What idiot decided he should be brought back to life" Wilder, and Katy "Waste of Ink" Bashir, and Daimon "Wait, people thought they were fucking?!" Hellstrom (god she's had some shit), I can think of a few.
Sylvie Lushton, the second Enchantress, could be a good one. One is a wannabe villainess, while the other is a rebellious heroine. They are a good study in contrasts.
Similarly, a "Rigid Formula" Spellcaster would be a good counter for her freeform chaos. Someone who uses a book to counter her staff. I got nothing beyond the general idea.
Having already had the 'evil mentor' botched, she needs adversaries that challenge her creatively and on the authority level.
So, a villain that represents the numbing of ideas and homogeneity . . .
And SHIELD. She needs a SHIELD agent who gets a vendetta against her and the Runaways that tries to hunt them down. Like Agent John Garret. He'd be a good foe.
>>84570647
Tigra could totally use a rogue's gallery
It could have a fox-girl, a mud-girl, a caulk-girl for those misleading white stains, a girl who becomes invisible whenever she puts on a shit, a rope-manipulator, a whip-expert, a hyrdo-girl, and a misogynist guy who wants to roboticize the male half of humanity to remove their lust and thus doom women
>>84570834
Good writing? Because no one who's touched her since BKV has managed to do anything decent with her.
A-Force is about as bad as Arena
>>84570983
The innocuous team up book is as bad as the character wood-chipper book? The fuck are you on?And where can I get some?
>>84570881
Wait, so . . . Tigra vs. Monster Musume?
>>84571097
>Pathetically desperate for contact with extended family in Japan
>Treated as a genie by bitchy adults like Medusa and Carol Danvers
>Doesn't stand up for herself at all against any of these assholes
>Mind controlled again
>Ugly art
>>84571118
But with more caulk jokes
>>84570983
Secret wars a force was great. The new stuff not as much but I'm still reading
>>84567809
I feel that she should inherit Mystique, Since Carol inherited Yon-Rogg.
>>84571182
"I'm a teenage girl living on my own with two surrogate daugthters to support and several others hangers on, maybe making nice with my extended family that isn't evil will help give me some means of supporting them" - Simple No Prize. Did you even try?
Nico treat like a child by adults who don't know better? Color me shocked! I mean, if she wasn't sassing them constantly, you might have a point. But she does, she even points out how much they leaned on her in the first arc, and this second one is all about how scarily powerful she is.
Is there a need to stand up against them when she doesn't disagree with what they are asking of her overtly (That's for Civil War II)?
This is Nico's first bout of Mind Control the fuck are you on about? Even better, she's fighting it throughout and that's a plot point! In fact, in the preview for the next issue, she fights back hard enough to cast a counter-spell to save her whole team.
And the art? I like it. But that's my opinion and I recognize it as such.
>>84569480
Janet has Whirlwind.
What happened to Kimura?
>>84569375
But Razorback is a hero.
>>84571292
Isn't that more of a joke? I mean, it was in A:EMH.
>>84571397
She showed up in All New Wolveirne #6 with a Master Plan being set in motion! She's totally Laura's arch.
>>84570085
What >>84570129 said.
Bitch killed her fiancee just to send a message. Then removed all emotional attachment from her memories of him to add insult to injury.
>>84570292
And then in the annual Hank brings up how Egghead was his archenemy and Scott laugh at him in turn.
>>84570647
51% of the American population are female.
>>84568722
oh shit, thats Madame Menace. she appeared in a few issues of Machine Man and is a mrtial arts expert/tech industrialist
>>84571509
And the portion of Female supers to male at Marvel (and other places) is . . . Pretty bad.
I ran some numbers. I scowered every multimedia appearance of Many Heroes at Once (mostly games at this point, I'd add Cartoons and the like when I have no life again), covering the last 15 years (and the classic Marvel RPG) and I found that . . .
They got out 600 super-female characters to about 1450 male super types.
To get how bad it is, to get close to balancing it, you'd have to include every female supercharacter that managed to get a Comicvine entry in order to get close to matching the number of male characters who have at least one multimedia appearance (and even then, it's only about 1400).
So yeah . . . Population balance.
>>84569480
>her and her nemesis constantly call each others' outfits tacky and give passive agressive constructive criticism
Shit, I'd read that
>>84569642
OP here, I know that. I also know thats not the first time they fought, which was Marvel Chillers $4. But 3 encounters (the last one being somewhat OOC for Tigra), do not an archenemyship make
>>84571279
She hasn't mentioned said two dependents or any of her friends, didn't even try to invite them to the wedding, hasn't made any efforts to contact them since joining this team
Sassing them is not enough. Nico is bullheaded, has control issues and is suspicious of adults, she has gotten into a ton of fights against superheroes like Spider-Man, the X-men, the Avengers, and a bunch of other established authority figures because she doesn't inherently trust them. Towing the line and obeying the Queen of the Inhumans and the "boss of space" just because they tell her to do something is not something she would do.
Fine not exactly mind control but being influenced by dark magics that influence her behaviour. The Witchbreaker tortured her, changing her personality to the point where she cast cruel life ruining spells (which according to that same preview you just cited apparently aren't permanent so the spell on Geoff Wilder or the Yorkes wore off?). That time she lost her arm and life and brought herself back with blood magic almost mindless and relentlessly pursued Apex and tried to kill an innocent victim like Death Locket. Or when she was influenced by Daimon Hellstrom and fought in mindless rages in cagematches
>>84569742
motherfucker fought daredevil quite a few times and Ka-Zar like, 5 times. he's not really Spidery-specific, per se
>>84571668
Thor's fought Magneto.
Kraven's Spidey-specific.
>>84570033
as an enemy for Tigra, to be clear?
>>84571491
Scott is such a loser even compared to pym. If he laughs at someone you brush it off cause even z list villains are cooler than him.i love it
>>84571408
>She showed up in All New Wolveirne #6 with a Master Plan being set in motion!
>>84571292
He's an enemy but I wouldn't call him an arch-nemesis
He's too much of a joke
>>84571397
On the one hand I like that she's like a female Luke Cage who can't be cut by Laura's claws making her a tough enemy
On the other hand she's kinda boring
>>84571731
Molestation is no joke.
>>84571652
Another reason the secret wars version of a force was better. Nico was constantly rebelling against she hulk
This guy's nemesis?
>>84570161
There's a Carol thread. Come on over and shitpost in there instead.
>>84571758
But that's like saying Phantom Rider should be Mockingbird's nemesis because he raped her that one time.
>>84570171
Early in Frank Miller's DD run, he brought Kingpin to be an overarching nemesis. So, it was well before the 90s Spidey cartoon.
Are Stardust the Super-Wizard and superman good nemeses, at least in potentia?
>>84571652
Just because they haven't been mentioned doesn't mean they've ceased to exist. She mentioned only she was friends with the bride and that side of the family HATED super-hero stuff, do the math as to why only she was there.
It seems like you really need things spelled out for you.
She didn't fight or resist the other heroines much because of where they met her, and because of the external threat which forced her hand. From there, she saw them working together and decided to take a back seat. You may not agree with that choice or say it's not in character, but it makes sense. It follows logical progression of things we saw, with only minor fill in No Prize-ing.
But you don't like No Prizes.
The difference here is that it's external overt control. The Witch Breaker used mundane means (with magical tools) to change her to draw out more darkness.
Hopeless' BS was BS. "Dark Magic Influence Crutch Disability Metaphor that backfired on him horribly".
And now we have a standard Hypnota takeover.
All three are different.
And your reading comprehension is terrible. They explain in that very same preview that Nico is being OVERSTRAINED by the efforts. Split in too many directions at once. Thats' why her spells are being 'temporary' here. They spell it out. Clearly.
It's alright not to like it, but honestly, you don't have much to stand on. No Prizing is a thing which is variable from person to person. Your inability/unwillingness to is the main difference. For you, it must all be spelled out.
And that's fine.
Just don't expect many others to follow it. Suspension of Disbelief is not hard or fast like that.
>>84571765
A Seatle Coffee-based villain.
>>84571857
I don't understand...why?
>>84571841
>This side of the family ignored me when it publically came out that my parents were supervillains who had framed me for murder, and were attempting to destroy humanity. I was sent to a group home instead of this family.
>I should go to this wedding and do whatever I can to ingratiate myself with these people even though they abandoned me and don't respect my real family enough to invite them
They only stated she had limits and that her spells are temporary, they did not specify that only her current spells are. There is just as much proof that all of her past spells have been retroactively been made temporary.
I've see no one on this board giving a shit about A-Force in months, so clearly I'm not alone in not liking it.
>>84571907
Stupid thinking, really.
What's the opposite of a Cowboy?
At first I thought "Indians" but that's played out.
Then I thought, modern cowboys HATE Hipsters.
And I think that wave started with Starbucks.
So . . . Yeah.
Odd, I know.
>>84566670
Bendis is her rival.
>>84571813
Or the Hood should be Tigra's because of that assault that one time
>>84571935
I like it. I just hated the art in the last couple issues
>>84571972
yeah, but that'd be like having New York muggers as your rival. their bad and all, but their alread a nuisance to literally every other hero
>>84571935
. . . You say that like they had any power to act on Nico's behalf, or to distrust the statements they were presented initially.
You're stretching, and your lack of knoweldge of the material continues to show.
>I've see no one on this board giving a shit about A-Force in months, so clearly I'm not alone in not liking it.
Anon, are you new? We complain about shit we hate all the goddamn time!
People here are largely indifferent to A-Force, there's a big difference.
Because that's more dangerous.
>>84571964
>Texas Cowboy
>nemesis not some fancy asshole selling shitty salsa
>from NEW YORK CITY!it's true though, New York cannot into Mexican food
>>84572048
>This stuff's made in New York City
>>84572031
I think you're stretching because you're so desperate for a half decent Nico story that you'll take whatever crap that Wilson and Thompson feed you
Nothing I've said has contradicted the material.
I didn't say people hated it, I said they didn't like it. That includes both dislike and indifference. Which still means they don't care for the garbage you're gobbling up
>>84572099
Nico and singularity shipping is great though
>>84571694
Yes because her powers are from Cat-demons who live in Hell. People tend to forget that they pray to Belasco, same guy that made Magik interesting
>>84572099
That's some mighty fine projecting you have going there.
I pointed out the flaw in your premise and you react by . . . ignoring that flaw entirely and declaring that I'm stretching to find enjoyment in the title.
This is bait, right? It's gotta be.
>>84571472
What ever happened to Peter and her dating?
>>84572201
people "forget" that because it was in WCA, which didn't do great stuff for her as a character. before that, the cat people were portrayed as somewhat utopic
![What_If_043-15[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Uc38tN5.jpg "What_If_043-15[1].jpg")
if it were a legit 616 story where Conan was stranded on modern Earth, who on Marvel Earth could best be his nemesis?
>>84572216
Just a one time thing, unfortunately. I mean they aren't great for each other they wouldnt marry or anything. But them having awkward dates is great
>>84572310
Damn. They always felt like they had great interactions. Why did she end up with Jessica Drew instead?
>>84572229
>because it was in WCA, which didn't do great stuff for her as a character.
But it's still part of her history. Also most people barely know her outside of her being Hank's sort of baby momma. A relationship that stems from their interactions in the WCA
>>84572257
At first I thought a tech-based hero or villain (Tony Stark, Fixer, etc).
But then, just for sheer irony sake, it hit me.
Moongirl and Devil Dinosaur.
The parallels just work too well, and they are different enough to clash hard.
But the battles they'd have would be on the Young Adult/Silly side of things for maximum comedic value.
>>84572445
they would be fun head-butting partners, but nemeses? not quite.
>>84572488
Devil? Yes.
Moon Girl? No. She's far to civilized for that sort of thing.
>>84572546
Moon BOY and DD vs conan...that'd be something I'd read!
>>84572257
>>84572445
>At first I thought a tech-based hero or villain
Doom discovering forgotten Stygian magic.
Or the Serpent society.
At some point he fight Magik andit ends in sex.
>>84566670
Why doesn't Zatanna have a nemesis?
>>84572603
isn't Magik like, 13? i mean, in the Hyborian age I'm sure anyone post-pubescent was fair game, but I'm sure he'd piss of Colossus. WHich could be another cool Rivalry if somehow Conan found a way to fight him evenly.
But I do like teh idea of the Serpent Society freaking out and militariing the FUK out of themselves when they discover Set's greatest human enemy walks the Earth once more.
Also, Conan and Doom discussing the finer points of being a monarch sounds fun
>>84572657
Torn fishnets
>>84572664
Magik's age is . . . weird. Hell dimension accelerated growth, time travel, reincarnation into a new body (sort of). Who fucking knows anymore.
She's about Kitty's age these days, and that's about it. Or roughly equal to the youngest of the New Mutants (wolfsbane).
But man, Conan and Doom talking at a dinner is just . . . I WANT THIS!
>>84572740
>Dinner at castle Doom, Boris and several Doombots serving a multiple-course meal
>Conan is in his full battle Regalia
>Doom is in his superhero outfit
>Doom eats with a fork and knife, endulging very little
>Conan gulps heavily from a wine goblet, holds some fancy expensive beef leg with both hands, taking huge bits out of it while Doom talks
>Doom gives Conan shit for being a savage and not using magic or science to exceed his potential
>Conan refuses to take any of it as an insult, makes fun of doom for being a tyrant who who will never enjoy anything he gets
>Doom refuses to take any of it as an insult
>>84572657
Constantine
>>84572657
She's not consistently in team books books nor does she consistently have a solo.
>>84572257
Conan already has an arch nemesis, he doesn't need a new one. Thoth-Amon has the power to revive himself, as well as posses people. Just have him wake up in modern times, or have someone get possessed by his spirit.
Does Clint Barton have a nemesis?inb4 Bendis
bumperino
>>84573651
They keep becoming good guys like him.
>>84571935
>I've see no one on this board giving a shit about A-Force in months
I story time that shit, those threads get a ton responses. Nigga you're lying.
>>84573651
Just character assasination
>>84573576
>Conan
>Possessed by his spirit
Then they need Mary Jane back as Red Sonja.
>>84575684>>84573651
Yeah, Swordsman and Trickshot. Crossfire they pushed as a nemesis for him for a while.
>>84570085
The Brood and Mystique although they are X-Men characters so Marvel will probably distance them from her.
She had Moonstone for awhile but Moonstone is more tied with the Tbolts and Carol doesn’t even acknowledge her anymore
>>84570128
The Kree will probably end up becoming her main antagonists once her movie comes out and she'll most likely inherit Mar-Vell's villains.
Yon-Rogg and Min-Erva managed to piss her off real good already.
Carol also never much liked Ronan since he tried to kidnap her under Supremor's orders because the Kree's genes suck and Carol had good genes and her DNA is compatible with the Kree's and they wete going to use her for breeding purposes. Ronan also thought Carol was a disgrace to Mar-Vell so they didn’t get along.
Although in Hickman's Infinity you can see them both holding hands in the background.
Aside from that her latest comic deals with the Kree and Min-Erva.
>>84566670
Bump
who is this guy's?
>>84567153
He almost had one with this diamond girl from the failed team book. But yes Bombshell might make a good one. Or just give him a rival with Kamala.
>>84582863
Ajax, but he's dead.
Madcap was dead for a while, but he's back now.
And finally Thanos.
>>84566670
>We will never have a Tigra ongoing with Fred Perry as the artist
why even live
>>84568243
The Spawn of Frankenstein. Deadman is a human soul trapped on Earth though godly intervention, while TSoF was brought to life through mad science.
>>84582863
>>84583224
>Ajax
nah m8
it was that T-Bone guy
>>84584991
Why did you post a picture of Michael Jackson?
