DC tops Marvel in june 2016
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/07/15/dc-comics-beats-marvel-on-marketshare-per-comic-in-june-2016/
So it worked for a month, like the last time they did the same thing worked for a month.
Hurrah?
Long game it has never worked out for them and I am not about to believe this time will be any significant difference or drop off.
>>84558506
Good. Now let's see them keep it up. Save comics DC. Please.
>>84558506
The thing about this, is that DC is only publishing 30 ongoings now, 16 of them twice a month and 14 once a month, or 46 total releases per month. Marvel by comparison is upping their number of releases to about 60 ever since Civil War II. So Marvel will likely just beat DC through sheer glut even if DC sells more per issue.
>>84558517
It is cute you put that much stock in any single company.
>>84558514
>So it worked for a month, like the last time they did the same thing worked for a month.
It worked for a month and make Marvel shit in his pants and make marvel now....
And in the same time, image laught for this company war....
>>84558506
>Bleeding Cool has been experimenting with a new look at Diamond Comic’s monthly sales statistics, given the information available.
>Not just reporting the marketshare of each publisher, but looking at the marketshare divided by the amount of titles publish, to work out the average marketshare per comic.
>Because, while Marvel Comics had an over 40% dollar share to DC’s under 30% dollar share, Marvel published 112 comics and 42 collections, to DC’s 69 comics and 30 collections.
>So how did each title, on average per publisher perform?
>Dividing the marketshare by the amount of published titles, and multiplied by a hundred for easier reading, this is how the chart looks now.
>Retail Marketshare per title sold – basically how much money each title brought in.
>And Unit marketshare, basically how much marketshare per title based on how many were sold.
>Not only does DC take the top spot over Marvel, but on the marketshare per title measured by units sold, Valiant jumps onto fourth place. And on both charts, IDW plummets, selling plenty of comics, but publishing plenty of titles as well…
>sales = quality
This argument is already retarded when discussing Marvel, /co/; don't make the same mistake twice, please.Btw I'm a hardcore DCfag.
>>84558542
>image
Yeah, they're sure this time the Big Two will kill each other and Image will be the only publisher standing...
>DC finally beat Marvel, all they had to do was reboot their universe and change all of the sales criteria
Geez
Good to know. A little competition only good will do to both companies and the industry as whole. Also it could bring some quality finally to Marvel books, instead of their current crap.
>>84558595
>reboot their universe
That didn't fucking happen.
>>84558595
Not exactly. DC just understood some of their mistakes from the Nu52, and they are giving back to the fans, what they asked for. Nostalgia is a far more strong factor, than the BS forced "diversity" crap that Marvel currently pushing to out throats. Most fans want to read about the characters with whom grow up with, not watching them killed or being replaced by cheap knock-offs
>>84558630
The Nu52 also sold way better than Marvel its first month out of the gate.
It is DCs management of a thing after it gains any momentum that is their problem not their ability to Say we are Sorry and try to start again.
>>84558582
I agree that the big three is stupid , but they are using the situation to get marvel author
>>84558595
Welcome to the future bro, but this isn't 2011 anymore
>>84558630
>literally Nostalgia Faggotry: the Post
Gross.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_drive
>>84558562
Because dc selling better is an indication that people are getting better taste
>>84558640
I don't know about the management, but DC currently is trying to deliver some quality with their books, and for a big part they are succeding. Their Rebirth books are much better in comparison with Marvel's current product. Is it going to last? Hard to say, but for now at least they are trying to do so.
Holy shit look at Valiant
>>84558681
You could copy and paste this quote 3 years ago and it also would not have been out of place.
>>84558671
You can call it how you like, but nostalgia is a driving force that is hard to ignore, and brings money. For example faggotry or not, for most of people Thor will always be Odinson, not some random girl with cancer.
>>84558701
Turns out what draws people to shared universe comics is nostalgia and characters they remember fondly.
And not just the concept in and of itself, who would have guessed.
>>84558708
New52 was a completely different thing than rebirth
>>84558716
>Pandering to emotional children is OK because it's what they want
Why do people on this board hate the notion of comics developing, /co/?
>>84558733
That is irrelevant to the feelings of the Fans at the time it launched.
/co/ WAS ECSTATIC ABOUT it for those first 3 months.
>>84558531
Cos marvels got balls.
Seriously rebirth is one big safe pussy play.
>>84558749
Was it? I remember that people were either pissed of, or very cautious, not to mention that new52 rather quickly became synonymous with "bad quality". With Rebirth, the opposite is happening
What is amazing, is that Adventure comics sells really good, despite not being a #1, and having a huge number on the cover
>>84558769
The people who were more pissed off at it were those Comics Alliance roundtables of the first month of it that I remember people tearing apart trying to defend almost all the books of that launch
At least for a month or two, and then the stories started coming out about it and art teams changed.
>>84558739
Go and check out the demographics of the current comic book readership. Most of them are between 25-40, people who have been raised during the golden age of comic books, and to whom those characters are part of their childhood. Developing the characters and the comics are good, but trying to replace them, because of political reasons is stupid.
>>84558768
Marvel has black hairy balls.
Let's see how many readers will be attracted to them. I can see Solo, Moon Girl, Foolkiller and Slapstick beating the literally whos like Batman, Green Lantern, Superman...
>>84558798
new52 was very controversial. rebirth is not
>>84558768
It's not wise to try to bite the hand that feeds you. Because at some point it will slap you in the face.
>>84558828
Probably because you don't like capes
>>84558800
>DC is terrified of publishing a comic about anyone other than the Justice League or Batfam
kek
>>84558850
DC doesn't have Disney's billions to back them up to do so.
>>84558850
>forcing shitty books about d-listers that no one cares about
wew lad, that's some sneaky damage control
>>84558850
There is literally nothing wrong about publishing comics that will sell. It's a business after all
>>84558798
I wish I had been there to see people defending red hood and the outlaws #1
>>84558850
It was called DC you, and now it's called Young Animal.
The difference is who knew what difficult to sell are those comic...
>>84558749
>/co/ WAS ECSTATIC ABOUT it for those first 3 months.
Cool revisionist history brah.
>>84558799
>25-40 year olds
>Raised during the 30s to the 50s
U wot
>>84558874
Your being a casual doesn't really change anything.
>>84558884
Surprisingly enough, I wasn't suggesting there was something morally unacceptable about the practice, I was saying it's cheap pandering to an emotionally stunted base of increasingly irrelevant comics fans that DC has tried to placate on their revamp carousal just like New52 and DCYou.
>>84558924
Since when pandering is wrong?
Aren't you the guy that usually trolls /co/ with
>it isn't pandering to me
>therefore it's bad
meme?
>>84558884
>>84558874
>>84558869
I.I.its okay boss. I don't need anything but superman and batman comics. Well sure I kinda liked blue beetle and the question and captain atom but...yeah more flash and wonder woman are good too. Nice and safe and popular is how we like it here at dc. Maybe you guys will just add yet another batman comic on there. That'll show em.
>>84558924
The modern golden age, not the Gold Age. The golden age of comics between the 80's and the beginning of 2000's. The current comic book readership has been raised reading those books.
>>84558895
All you need to do is read any Frank Cho thread and replace all the nouns
>>84558924
>Your being a casual doesn't really change anything.
Lel, I didn't know that we had a dedicated marveldrone here.
Tell me, oh the sage, why would I want to read shit like karnak or ultimates?
>>84558514
>So it worked for a month
It will probably work next month and the month after since DC has a shit load of 1's coming out and Marvel's got nothing
>>84558944
Everyone knows pandering is only bad when marvel does it to non white men.
>>84558947
As long as it's beating marvel to a pulp with the sales, I'm okay with it.
>>84558947
If nice and safe brings money to DC, then why not. As has been already stated, this is business afterall.
>>84558950
Oh fuck you. The decades of comics a generation is nostalgic about is not a golden age. There's one golden age. And the 80s through 00 ain't fucking it
>>84558969
which makes sense, because non white men don't buy comics
>>84558768
>Cos marvels got balls.
DC is doing Young animal and the Hanna Barbera comics, not to mention the Apollo &Midnighter mini, Dogweldermini and Adam Strange and Hawkman mini. Oh wait there's also He-man/Thundercats coming out.
Eat shit
>>84558969but, That isn't pandering it is correcting decades of a systemic inequality.
>>84558924
>I was saying it's cheap pandering to an emotionally stunted base of increasingly irrelevant comics fans
You mean the only people who buy comics? Those "irrelevant" fans?
>>84558979
This is based on what?
I didn't know that marvelfags were so butthurt that they would pick at straws.
I mean really? After so many people pissed off at Captain Hail Hydraman? After week of threads about how awful the new black Iron Man is going to be?
Who here doesn't want back to basic Spider-Man, Avengers, or X-Men?
>>84558977
No but I think the earlier anon is right that from the writers to artists to fans the 80s Forward is where a primary amount of material is being drawn from currently.
>>84558989
That post being a joke, and clearly a pretty good one.
>>84558989
because the money that they get from welfare is limited, they can either buy a 5 dollar comic book, or a booze. Geez, choices...
>>84558985
A rock star riding 90s vertigo coat tails and a bunch of nostalgia candy.
Mmm hmm sure is daring. Dc should stand for daring comics.
>>84559003
Yeah, because gender / race swapping is sooooo original
>>84559003
Oh I see. You're just b8ing
It's because of reprints. BC was counting EVERY comic published, including the low-ordered and cheap Timely Comics reprints and various second/third printings to get a total of 112 Marvel books shipped. Traditionally they have more second and third printings as well; Gwenpool and Spider-Man/Deadpool seem to get a new one every month. (SM/DP #1 still charted in June, almost 8k, 6th printing I think) DC had a few reprints as well, but not nearly as many to bring their totals down; most of their reprints they've announced came out in July. The Timely Comics being only $3 for 3 issues didn't help either, as only one of them cracked 14k (ANAD Avengers; though surprisingly the Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur collection wasn't far behind.
That said, Marvel still put out a lot of new books. Counting the handful of Disney and Icon books released would bring the total to 92 I think, give or take one.
>>84559003
Daring comics huh? Wasn't the Nu52 an attempt to try something new? Hasn't been rejected and badmouthed after a couple of months?
>>84559009
Coming from All-New All-Now Marvel Now:
Female Black Dr Strange!
make mine marlel
>>84559009
Who's talking about originality? Is this a word swapping game where you take something I said and change one word to another so you can write a compleyely unrelated responce?
>>84559024
You asshole, you spoiled the relaunch we planned for the next year
>>84559026
Is english your first language?
>>84559023
It was something new. Dc rebooted their whole universe and basically started from scratch to fix their horrendously muddled continuity. I was blown away because it was such a unique new thing nobody (espescially dc) had ever done before.
>>84558506
Why did this article end by saying Marvel beat DC in marketshare for their September New 52 launch? Because they didn't
>>84559046
Yeah, and they had The Flash responsible for New52. Completely didn't see that coming
>>84559046
And yet has been badmouthed continously, because not "muh Superman", not "muh Wally" etc.
>>84559080
I think it was a sarcasm anon, unless you're too young to know what was crisis of infinite earths
So half of you are >>84559080
Exactly. Dc couldn't create anything of quality so now its throwing nostalgia at its manbabbie readership.
I never said it was a dumb idea. Only that it was a big safe pussy play. Which most of you agree it is so why you arguing with me?
>>84559106
It takes courage for a corporate company to admit that they dun goofed and that they should stick to what they do best, and what they know best, instead of throwing crap around and see what sticks. It's something that marvel fails to grasp, which is why they are losing the readership every year since avx
>>84558947
DC tried since the beginning of new 52 with animal man, swamp thing, captain atom, firestorm, mr terrific, savage hawkman, batwing, gotham acadeny, gotham by midnight, talon, larflezee, blue beetle, hawk and dove, legion lost, static shock, ravagers, all star western, blackhawks, deathstroke, gi combat, grifter, infinity man and FP, men of war, omac, secret six, star spangled war stories, stormwatch, team 7, green team, the movement, thershold, vodoo, demon knights, dial h, frankestein, I vampire, klarion, resurrection man, sword of sorcery, trinity of sin, pandora, phantom stranger, etc.
Some where shit but some were good and people still spit on them for not being A listers.
>>84559120
Yeah...it takes courage to shrink back from a failure and give up taking chances. Just keep your head down and stick to what you know like in braveheart.
>>84559106
My dear drone, if for DC nostalgia works and brings them some money, then why you accuse them for doing so. It's the same nostalgia which brougt billions to Disney/Marvel through the MCU and the Star Wars. And don't tell me that didn't work so, because when DC/Warner tried to present a different version of the DC cape characters have been crucified.
>>84559143
It seems like a smart move. If your readership shrinks, it's suicidal trying to be "daring" for the sake of it. Only a complete fool would risk, if there is nothing to gain, and everything to lose. You can diversify, when you have a huge enough loyal audience that is willing to support the books.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but how well books like Red Wolf were received? Or Weirdworld?
>>84559139
Don't bother, it's marveldrones trying to compensate for the fact that their company sucks
>>84559169
Yeah, it's damned if you do, damned if you don't.
>>84558985
>He-man/Thundercats coming out
WHAAAAAT!!!!
>>84559275
Yes a mini series/crossover was announced a couple of weeks ago. 1st issue will come October 5.
http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/he-man-thundercats-crossover-announced-dc-comics
>>84559316
>1st issue will come October 5.
Same case for Midnighter & Apollo, Hawkman & Adam Strange, and Deadman minis.
>>84559336
>Deadman minis
elaborate?
Didn't have time to check some of the announcements
>>84559403
thanks, I'm lazy
>>84559143
Faggots like this that literally want comic companies to ignore their fanbases and produce crap no one buys are just like idiots on /v/ who think Nintendo needs to make another Gamecube and a sequel to Wind Waker. There's a reason why they're living in their mom's basement and not running companies.
>>84559360
The art is MINDBLOWING. Look up the preview pages that have been released.
>>84559628
Going by the top ten, the fanbases want events, Star Wars, and other dumb comics.
>>84559628
Yes, please stop trying to attract new readers, Marvel and DC.
>>84559628
>>84559143
Yeah Nintendo pandering to nostalgia babies would surely be a financial disaster
>>84559763
Marvel and DC sales are higher than they have been in years. Just look at the top 10 for September 2010 a year before New 52. Only 1 book broke over 100,000 and Batman was doing 70k
>>84559628
Faggots like you are literally and proudly holding back creativity.
It is pretty disgusting.
>>84558917
/co/ is the master of revisionisthistory
>The shitstorm were totally the horsefuckers fault guys I swear.
>>84558947
Have you fucking looked at the upcoming solicits
There publishing a fucking romance miniseries
>>84560008
Hell not only that a horror romance comic do you know what the CCA did to those genres.
>>84559763
What new readers? There are not anymore. The younger generations appreciate more Spongebob and videogames than comics. Or you think that the political driven crap that is being pubblished lately is targeting younger fans?
Great, but can DC maintain it, because they sure as hell couldn't with the New 52.
>>84559793
>believing it's 90s kids that're making Pokemon Go a phenomenon and not the fact that a Pokemon game is on an iPhone
>>84558562
But DC is actually putting out quality comics. Comic buyers usually favor shit but it looks like they're finally wising up.
>/tv/ celebrates their favorite comic book companies recent event inflated success
This thread is going places.
>>84560109
>quality comics
Not really. It's the same old mediocre crap DC's been putting out since before 2011.
>>84560170
Haha. You don't even read comics, bro.
>>84560170
Drone please. Marvel has fulled us with Bendis's and Slott's crap for more than a decade. Rebirth is far superior than the Marlel's current garbage.
>>84560186
Funny comment coming from someone who I'm sure didn't start reading comics until the late 2000's. I bet you're one of those "Blackest Night is the coolest comic ever" types of people.
>>84560170
Fuck off mouseketeer, Rebirth has been a brilliant breath of fresh air that's effortlessly reinvigorating the industry through genre-defining works of art and pushing the medium forward into new and interesting places while not losing the classic, timeless feel that makes DC's staple of heroes the most well-known and resonant fictional characters in history.
But keep on lieing to yourself to justify being yet another braindead Marvel shill.
>>84561061
Holy shit the buzzwords
I mean your 100% correct but to an outsider that really would look like buzzword spewing.
>>84560170
A green lantern drove a fucking van construct through a wall.
Nightwing fought a creature called a killicorn
We are getting knock of Chinese superheros
Dcs current output is incredible
>>84559019
No, this is because Marvel is shit. Books are left politicial agenda without fun or good stories, no new writers and shitty Bendis in every fucking comicbook.
>>84561651
It was always leftist but back in the 60's they had everything else going for them so it didn't matter.
>>84558676
>>84560109
Casual Awakening incoming
>>84561061
This is my comic shelf whilst the other 95% of my trades are in storage and even I think you sound like a sales pitch.
>>84561677
Were they? Isn't Captain America and the concept of vigilantism like Batman, Spider-Man right-wing?
X-Men might be about inclusive, but they also were a militia-cult team. Both Spider-Man and Doctor Strange was created by Ditko, who certainly wasn't a leftist.
The difference is that back then, the comics were supposed to be good first and foremost.
>>84560221
The non-existant type?...
>>84561061
didio plz go.
>>84561797
Alonso you too.
>>84561778
Comics and politics have always had a weird relationship.Superman is a Socialist peoples champion created by a couple of Jews for instance that becomes the champion of 1950s American greatness. Captain America is often the first guy to remind that he represents American ideals not any government trends or political leanings [Part of the reason I hate Falcon being turned into captain BLM]
I think your right about them being good first though. Thats part of why I love Kamala so much and hate every Preachy Pandering character
>>84561778
Comics were always left wing one of the first suicide squad issues was taking down a white supremist.
But they were never as fucking retarded as recent marvel
Well in that aspect anyway even that issue in question was retarded in a difrent way
>>84558749
There was a lot of excitement over some niche titles, but a good proportion of books that came out were shit and we knew it, and a lot of people were still whining about them rebooting the entire universe and shitty redesigned costumes at that time.
>>84562060
>shitty redesigned costumes at that time.
Shame the new costumes are even worse.
>>84562119
It seems to be largely convenient for idiots like you to try and divide people into two categories on an imagined spectrum.
But hey, that's murricah for you.
>>84562124
I disagree. Wonder Woman and Superman's costumes are looking better now, especially Supes's without the stupid collar.
>>84561651
>thinking quality has any bearing on sales
you poor thing
>>84563550
It's appreciated though, and in long term, it will bring results, if they keep it coming, if not sooner. By the way DC had 7 out 10 books in the sales ranking.
>>84562124
Nope
the blue boots were a good decision
let's remind that everybody pretended like marvel wins over dc but hydracap wasn't last longer
>>84565748
Hydra Cap's gonna be dragged out to October at least going by marvel nower preview stuff
>>84558562
Rebirth has been superior to Civil War II though.
>>84565795
They're both kinda shit, though
It's like saying one ugly prostitute is better than another because this one didn't give you syphillis, she only gave you gonorrhea
>>84558719
>characters they remember
>valiant
>>84559793
>2 days of sales
>7.5 billion dollars
/v/ >>>>> /tv/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /co/
>>84563226
The two party system was a mistake
>>84565795
Well anything is better than Bendis
>>84565795
A free KFC book was better than Civil War
