What went wrong why is Harley unnecessary Sexualization ok?Why is Rebirth keeping current H,Q writing & changing Just about everything else?Do Any Classic Harley fan accept her as she is now? She seem to one demential compared to her pre 52 version like they trying to make her jokerpool & like DP shit out 1O0 different mini's throwing her with other characters for new Harley fanboys & do the new Harley readers Even old Harley
>>84483943
>What went wrong why is Harley unnecessary Sexualization ok
Most people's problem is that she's no longer with the joker
>Why is Rebirth keeping current H,Q writing & changing Just about everything else
Because she fucking prints money
Ultimantly there not bad comics just bad Harley comics they should have just made a new randumb character.
I get the impression English is not your first language OP, but let me try.
The driving force behind the changing of Harley Quinn is that an editor at DC has a massive skankification fetish (see also: Mary Marvel, Supergirl, Duela Dent). Probably Eddie Berganza because he seems like a disgusting person in every other field of his life.
It also makes it easier for Hot Topic sluts to cosplay her.
>why is Harley unnecessary Sexualization ok?
Because it is factually not morally wrong to make fictional characters sexually appealing to the audience paying to see them.
And no it is not objectification.
We want to see the specific character of Harley Quinn be sexy not some random woman be sexy, that means she has a identity to us, that makes her more then a object.
Best Harley outfit besides the classic.
Suck my dick Op.
>>84484045
You are the reason why anime sucks
>>84484088
I also enjoy my whores to look like juggalos.
>>84484007
Yes her with joker was some best Harley but she was good with out him like when she died went to hell got kicked out was A disembodied sprit taking Ppl over till John Jonez gave her body back more then that happened but that was A great story with almost no joker & showed her being more complex then jokerhench wench.But I do Agree I isn't horrible & some 52 Harley I enjoyed.butvsgebis A totally different person.
>>84484045
People who call sexy images objectifying are people who view attractive people as objects themselves and have little understanding of sex and romance. It's not their fault really they just can't understand how well-adjusted people think.
>>84484089
Much of anime sucks currently because of school girl moe overy comedic dreck being pumped out endlessly.
Fanservice didn't harm series like Evangelion and such on any level.
>>84483943
New 52 roller derby/suicide girl Harley is shit.
Movie Harley is fine.
She just needs to hook up with The Joker again.
And Harley was fetish fuel from day 1.
>>84484045
Making A character that doesn't need too dress in A sexy costume to have sex appeal to the movie Harley is A obvious pandering to lonley weebfags like you
I'm ok with this.
>why is Harley unnecessary Sexualization ok?
Ask any of the thousands of actual girls who cosplay as Harley at cons why Harley is "unnecessarily" sexualized.
>>84483943
Harley's outfit now matches her personality. She was always a bad character.
>>84484024
>ruining Mary Marvel
Someone needs to burn for this.
>>84484413
Try harder 1/8 Ir8 yer b8 m8. >>84484379 Implying most cosplayers choose character's not based on the outfits & Not because there are there favorite .
>>8448417
Huh?
Every female comic character introduced in the 80's and 90's were made to be sexualized.
>>84484179
Does it hurt being this stupid, anon?
>>84484176
Yeah but did she ever auctualy stop loving the joker during those.
>>84484007
Although I suppose there were a couple of plot points that benefited from it being about Harley mostly related to her past as a psychiatrist.
>>84483943
i prefer her newer look to her old one, looks a lot better outside of the bruce tim style
and honestly the harley book is pretty bad, but thats just because the writers are stupid as fuck
One day we'll get a comic where the main female character gets actually punished for doing something bad, instead of a slap on the wrist and a new best superhero friend
>>84484594
I was mostly talking about sucide squad costume.I mean come on high heels,fishnets,Stupid tattoos,Dat makeup,I also liked some of newer looks the power girl mini costume was pretty cute & this one from Tony Daniel's Deathstroke was alright
>>84484789
that's a great looking compromise between classic and hot topic.
Why /co/ hates Harley but loves Gwenpool?
It doesn't make any fucking sense.
>>84484828
The pic or Sucide squad? @ least Deathstroke very was Red & black. Also Yahtzee!!!!!
I don't care about the designs, I don't care about the sexualization. What bothers me is that nobody understands her character. Not a fucking soul alive can write her but Paul Dini, and that's because he hallucinates her 24/7
>>84484898
wait what
>>84484918
Go read his autobio, it's great.
>>84484951
>>84484872
It's the art. If Gwenpool had a different artist, one who wouldn't make her look so kawaii all the time, /co/ would hate her too.
>>84484898
I beg to differ Karl kesel did A good job writing Harley Imho.
>>84484204
>Evangelion
Spotted the casual. Please stop breathing.
>>84484872
I like both.. >>84485000That's so true if the writing was the same I wouldn't care .
>>84485001
I think he did a good job too, I suppose I was a little harsh.
As a schizophrenic, it bothers me how people write mentally ill characters. Not because I'm offended, but because they're doing it fucking wrong. They try to make the character's MOTIVATIONS beyond understanding, which is very much an outsider's perspective on mental illness. Most motivations are mundane and easy to understand in their essential forms and that's fine. it's GOOD when a character's motivations are easy to follow. IMO, as a mentally ill person, if a character's motivations are mundane but their actions are extraordinary, that's when you've really captured insanity, and that's also when you've really written a relatable character with a mental illness
Mental illness is not having SO RANDOM motivations. that's stupidity.
Mental illness is when you have normal motivations and something gets very, very lost in translation. Whether it's psychosis or a personality disorder, that's the basis of it all.
As much flak as that Ryan Reynolds movie The Voices got for perpetuating stereotypes, as a schizophrenic person, it got it right enough that it kept me up for a few days. Just LITTLE things, like the delusions making you believe false things about yourself based on incidental or coincidental actions, like whenthe voices convinced him that he wanted to murder the girl because he forgot to drop the knife when he ran after her
In fact, the movie is the perfect demonstration of how to use intention/result dissonance to write compelling mentally ill characters that are emotionally relateable for the audience.
motivation: live and function in his house and have a normal life
result:5 corpses and a crater where his house used to be
It's a good movie. Everyone should watch it at least once.
>>84484789
What the fuck is this? Post a proper scan, you mook.
>>84485087
>As a schizophrenic
Stopped reading there.
>>84485100
You should really continue reading and see if there's anything of value.
>>84485087
I think the idea is Harley's motivation is her love for the joker but by the time she has lost that she has been heavily infulunced by him to end up in this state.
She never should have gotten over it like she did though.
>>84484966
It's this angle that makes me think- "No matter what outfit they put her in, it's not going to be as sexy as the classic."
Though I do kinda get why they don't put her in it anymore, I just wish they'd stick to something for a bit before changing it. Or maybe recurring outfits.
>>84485219
Maybe she realized she was better than this
>>84485229
Her sex appeal is broader now. She isn't confined to just one outfit anymore. She can adapt by wearing all sorts of fetishy garments, while maintaining her energetic style and color scheme. She's like a barbie doll with a chainsaw in one hand, and a whoopie cushion in the other.
>>84485229
I auctualy like the constantly changing outfits there not so much costumes as clothes so she has variety.
I would still prefer just the classic though.
>>84485271
Come to think of it when was the last time joker used a trick pistol
>>84485287
It has that nice balance of cartoony and sex-on-two-legs.
>>84484045
What the fuck determines when it's okay for a character to be AIDS ridden slut like Harley and when it's not okay for PG to have boob window?
>>84483943
I like the ugly one because of the fishnets
>>84485330
the ugly one doesn't have fishnets, it's still her comic costume with the kneepads just with movie hair
>>84484045
Making a character look like a complete whore is a pretty shitty attempt to make her appealing. Just feels like a desperate attention grab. And the character looses a big chunk of his credibility imo because if someone dresses like a trashy skank chances are they are trashy skanks. I never seen harley that way.
>>84485087
I feel you I have Asd & Agoraphobia I totally agree.& I will check that movie out >>84485100 Because he's mentally ill what he says doesn't matter grow up. >>84485219 Joker+ Harley has some of the best moments in comics & Btas some of my favorite moments are from joker fish,The man who kill Batman,Jokers favour,Harley & ivy to name A few.herr putting jokers face on deadshot & the fact that Harley Quinn & Harleen Francene Quinzell where two deferent people kinda bugged me about new Harley.Pic "Your that plant lady poison oakey?"
>>84485385
that's a shame i guess i hate it now
>>84485455
It is slightly different from the "bad" one there though, I think that's early new 52 and maybe Conner did some tweaks?
This is a Rebirth cover. I think they changed the hair to this one back in April or so.
>>84483943
>What went wrong why is Harley unnecessary Sexualization ok?
Because that's what most people like. Sorry that it's not for you OP but not every comic should be. DC is doing the right thing by giving the majority of fans what they want
>>84484024
>Mary Marvel, Supergirl
But Supergirl's New 52 Costume was more modest than what came before and her Rebirth costume is more modest still. We haven't seen Mary since Curse of Shazam which again was pretty modest
>>84485539
>DC is doing the right thing by giving the majority of fans what they want
If that was even remotely true Power Girl would be celebrating its 300th issue.
Much of DC, like Marvel, is out of touch. They're not as bad as Marvel has become, but they are just as prone to bandwagons that last all of 18 months.
>>84485602
Don't let /co/ waifufags trick you. Power Girl doesn't have fans like that. Harley sells 3 times as much as Peeg's book did.
DC is indeed giving the people what they want.
>>84485602
>If that was even remotely true Power Girl would be celebrating its 300th issue.
I'm going to stop you right there. I'm a HUGE Power Girl fan, like you wouldn't believe, but this is delusional. Nobody gives a FUCK about Power Girl, dude. Not a single solitary fuck. We're alone. Sometimes it seems like people care because of the peer groups we're surrounded by, but those peer groups don't move issues like mass marketing does. In the grand scheme of things, this just isn't true.
>>84485568
He means the Black Mary days.
And Supergirl has been sexualized in some manner since the 90s. And probably before that too.
>>84485647
Yeah I know. I'm pointing out that for at least 7 years those two haven't been overly sexualized
>>84485647
>You have food in the fridge older then her hal.
When I first read that line for some reason I forgot it was Kyle who's lady got fridged so I laughed my arse off.
I love the Batman: Arkham Knight DLC 'A Family Matter' adaption of the classic costume
>>84485539
Doing the right thing by keeping A character that was perfectly fine pre 52 wule changing other post 52 character's to pre 52 just because they are an keep shitting out mini's with her thrown with other Dc- characters much like Deadpool.Whats with this gang of Harley's did she said fuck you to the quintet's.
>>84485765
This rendition made me understand why DC seems to dislike this costume. The part around the neck and the balls on the hat just look awkward. But fixing those aspects would probably have been better than trashing the whole thing.
>>84483943
fucking crybaby, even Paul Dini likes the newer Harley Designs better.
>>84485772
>Dis Sentence structure
Are you fucking drunk, man?
>>84485772
>Every book should be for me only my taste matters. Fuck what other people want!
Does it hurt, knowing you're irrelevant?
The Arkham games.
Which were fantastic, and Harley was good in them. But it's popularity told DC to ditch the old red and black--they thought it was the gritty and more real, sexualized version that everyone wanted, when that was just what made AA Harley unique. I mean, Harley was always sexual, but never absolutely blatant. I dunno.
>>84485845
It's hard to argue against what DC did with her since shes one of their best sellers now. It's clearly what people wanted.
I've gotta be honest I've never liked Harley Quinn anyway. The idea of Joker keeping around a girlfriend and not putting a bullet in her head after a few stories just doesn't feel right to me
>>84485765
Hell, I might as well say recreation.
>>84485788
Maybe just making the balls smaller would be fine, though I quite like it as it is. I'm just glad to see it in the game's setting as Harley's canonical costume early on in her criminal career.
>>84485765
Imagining doing gymnastics in latex makes me want to puke. Imagine how slimy and hot and pinchy it'd get. The suit is spandex for a freakin reason. I think the original outfit, spandex and all, is Just Fine! It's cute, it's kitschy, it breathes, it's colorful, it makes a STATEMENT.
What's not to like?! You really gotta add a corset and a miniskirt? Hows she sposed to function, huh? All I can see is one of her boobs slipping out of the barely-supportive cups that are sewn into the outfit and getting pinched against one of the seams and not bein able to get her hand underneath to fix it because the arms and shoulders are tailored so tight. Spandex spandex spandex!
>>84485788
But its meant to look kind of shitty its a costume she just stole from a costume store
>>84485788 Naw I still read the new 52 & some of it is alright I just don't like the way they changed her whole personality & made her A totally different character
>>84485812 I'm ok with some other the n52 costumes not really the Red & blue though.But like I said above if she was A lil more like classic Harley I would prob wouldn't care to much but like I posted there is almost nothing that makes N52 version that makes her harley Quinn I understand changing A character to "revamp" them but changing just about everything who make that character who they are is ridiculous.
>>84485882
Joker's tried to kill her several times. But she escapes or someone gets her to a hospital, etc.
>>84483943
sauce on bottom one? or artist?
So what does /co/ think of DCSHG Harley?No it is not a shop
I've always been indifferent towards the character. At least she's fappable now.
>>84485882
A lot of people feel that Harley sucks without joker but Harley drags the joker down.
>>84483943
Because movie and arkham games.
That's the reason.
That's the only reason.
In the public's mind, that's who Harley Quinn is now.
>>84485882
I think the best way to do Harley's relationship is largly unrequited but he will sometimes take her back for a while for whatever reason.
I think the way arkham city breakout did it was pretty good.
>>84484088
The Arkham games look like the Schumacher movies only they're taking themselves dead serious.
I don't get how people can look at them without bursting into laughter.
>>84486350
I'm not it's targeted Reader so I don't care about kid's book. >>84486581 I actually never played any of the Arkham games but I did play Dc- universe online for the first 3 years till dev turned to A Piece of shit
>>84486652
>TFW I think DCSHG Harley is currently the most entertaining Harley.
That seems like it would be impossible but most of her other versions right now are awful imho.
>implying Harley wasn't sexualized in TAS
>>84484587
>Implying most cosplayers choose character's not based on the outfits & Not because there are there favorite
>mfw they fool themselves into "liking" the character just because they liked cosplaying as them
>>84486350
It's pretty much what I'd expect from a watered down kids version desu. She's cutesy enough for girls and the design is something she would probably wear.
I'm not going to watch/read it though, not my cup of tea thanks.
>>84487818
they do they all have the same expressionless face
>>84486594
Really couldn't agree more
I came into the Arkham games years late after hearing essentially universal praise and I felt like I wasn't in on some kind of joke. People legitimately compared those games to TAS (Probably because Dini and the cast) and they're legitimately the corniest, most juvenile, one dimensional brain dead interpretation of Batman and the rogues I've seen in years.
I don't play a ton of video games but when I hear of one getting praised for stories / characters / etc. I check it out and I'm baffled like 9/10 times. Are are all video game developers in some kind of unofficial race to the peak of manchildness?
>>84488231
Arkham Asylum is okay but City is excruciating. It's not a good Batman story, and it's a stupidly mediocre game too.
>>84484088
Congrats on picking the literal worst costume she ever had
>>84486350
She's okay but her voice is awful. The actress is worse than Tara Strong.
>>84485812
And Dan Akyroyd thinks Ballbusters is better than the original Ghostbusters.
Without the Joker, what's the functional difference between Harley and Jewelee
>>84488013
>>84487990
But it'sFUN and very genre aware.
>>84483943
>unnecessary
Opinion discarded. Please pass marketing 101 before posting another troll thread.
Protip: Sexsells
>>84485100
>Mr. D
Diamonds
>>84488319
>TFW the VA isTara Strong
http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/tv-shows/DC-Super-Hero-Girls/Harley-Quinn-Harleen-Quinzel/
Skankfication/bimbofication is a good fetish and there's no problem when the character is canonically a slut. Either way she's constantly changing her wardrobe.
Just let me have my pure unadulterated super sluts.
I just want to see Batman fucking her and Harley behaving as a Grade-A slut who's practically raped Batman to get some at the Joker.
Please, DC, just give me this.
>>84488231
I genuinely don't understand what people see in them. I look at the Arkham games and all I can think it "this is what videogames must have looked like to Dad."
The designs are like the worst of comics combined with the worst of videogames, and the gameplay is so mindless that it doesn't make me feel like Batman. It makes me feel like Batman's stunt double.
>>84484088
this costume is so sexy
I just want batman making Harley a robin for alittle bit to try and reform her to the heroes side
>>84488764
I want to see Harley behaving like a submissive little slut for Batman, constantly saying how good and awesome Batman is when compared to the Joker, while Batman tries everything to push her away while Harley's pretty much pushing herself onto him
It ticks so many fetish.
I just find it funny that a cartoon show aimed at little girl will have a better Harley fight scene than the one in the Suicide Squad movie.
>>84488830
>>84488231
>I don't play a ton of video games but when I hear of one getting praised for stories / characters / etc. I check it out
Which means you're probably hearing that praise from plebs and philistines. Think of it like people praising Nolan bats for being genius cinema.
>>84489065
I don't deny this but I only occasionally play video games and don't really have the urge or time to play everything and decide for myself what's good so what other choice is there?
>>84488726
>and the gameplay is so mindless that it doesn't make me feel like Batman. It makes me feel like Batman's stunt double.
This is untrue because stunt doubles are actually exposed to danger.
>>84489112
Play Witcher 3 plus the two expansions if you want a truly enjoyable gaming experience.
>>84489991
>recommend Witcher 3
>doesn't recommend Witcher 1 and 2
Witcher 1 is the best one, get hype for Cyberpunk 2077.Fixers are the best
>>84488738
But not GOOD. like, it made sense in context, since she was running a hospital, but most of the time being a weird latex-covered clown nurse with pigtails is a few too many things going on at once.
>>84486594
But the Schumacher movies looked great. Literally the best live action Gotham.
>>84483943
>What went wrong why is Harley unnecessary Sexualization ok?
She has always been sexulised
>Do Any Classic Harley fan accept her as she is now?
I do yes, because im not a whiny faggot like you it seems.
>>84485296
Endgame
>>84485271
If her gimmick was "psychotic, faux-spunky girly-girl who likes to play dress-up", that'd actually be kinda' neat and fit her character. They should roll with this.
>>84484179
Amen
Don't pay attention to this fucker >>84484675
We forgot to put him down. Now he's bathing in his own ignorance.
>>84483943
Golly gee, now everyone knows how I feel!
I'm 87 years old and still mad they got rid of Batman's purple gloves!
>>84488519
Maybe so but it would just be in my backlog.
>>84488405
Punch.
>>84488231
>I don't play a ton of video games but when I hear of one getting praised for stories / characters / etc. I check it out and I'm baffled like 9/10 times. Are are all video game developers in some kind of unofficial race to the peak of manchildness?
At some point every game developer lost the ability to show restraint at the same time and I have no idea why or how.
>>84488231
>>84491846
Video games are being tasked with coming up with "cinematic" or "Hollywood style" plots and characters but the issue is they're made by people who have worked in game design their entire lives and probably couldn't pass an English 101 or Comp I course so this is what you get. Paper thin one dimensional characters, incredibly derivative plots lifted from popular action movies and your typical manchild's definition of "epik" set pieces.
I'm not a SJW by any means but it's pretty goddamn telling that there's not a human female in literally any Arkham game that doesn't dress and act like a 90's pornstar and get called a BITCH, SLUT or WHORE every time they appear on screen.
>>84483943
>Do Any Classic Harley fan accept her as she is now?
Meh, i guess? I don't like NuHarley, but i can't say i hate her
I've tried to read Palmiotti-Conner Harley, it's not THAT bad, but it's just too "lol randumb" for me
It's kinda like what Dini (or was it Timm?) said once, Harley is fun for the way her character bounces off others like Joker, Batman or Ivy, but once you remove that a writer trying to turn Harley solo would probably inadvertedly turn her in just a generic girl surrounded by a weird supporting cast, which is more or less what happened with Palmiotti-Conner
Some might argue that according to that logic the Kesel run must be bad too, since it's a solo book, but the thing is Kesel never isolated Harley as a character from the world she was spawned from. The arcs still dealt with stuff like how she relates to Joker, or how she would go if she tried to be a solo character in-universe, it rarely if ever turns into "Harley does wacky thing for the sake of it". Too many things in the Palmiotti run are done "for the sake of it". Why did Harley turn into a communist hunter for a couple of issues? Because! Why did she join that skaters team? Because! Why did she free the puppies? Why not, right?
It's not bad, it's just generic (and trashy in ways i don't think fit Harley; lots of blood and shit), enough to be annoying but to be fair not enough to make me rage over it
Very curious about the movie's take btw
>>84492258
It kind of reminds me of anime's situation.
It used to be made by general purpose nerds who had varied interests and influences but as time went on it started being made by people who had no interests outside of anime.
>>84484346
I liked ferral serial killer Harley.
>>84491116
>implying purple gloves were ever a staple of Batman
They were literally present for 1 issue.
>>84484089
Anime and manga us do ahead of comics right now its not even funny and thats including the moe cancer
Opm and my hero academia are both better cape comics then any thing the big 2 are putting out
>>84484895
Best suicide squad movie ever.
>>84492773
>OPM is better than Vision
>>84493425
This is like, the only Suicide Squad movie until the live action movie comes out
>>84483943
>muh Harley
Faggot
>>84492773
>moe shit
>better than anything
Nope.
>>84488231
I can't say much for the story because all video games stories seem pretty mediocre to me (bad guys doing bad things, gotta stop em, fight tons of generic thugs, boss battle, end credits) but I just finished Arkham Knight and it's just a plain fun game.
At certain times tho, when a thug hints at Superman, you're reminded he exists in this world and could have saved Gotham with minimal effort. Action and Detective comics really should be their own worlds.
