>doesn't contribute to the story
>gets fucked over for no reason
>gets fucked over again and his waifu stolen
>after retcon bullshit, reduced as joke character and trophy wife for another character to become a commercial "progressive" gay pairing and Hussie's welfare check to fund Hiveswap
>there are people who actually read his self-memos and hoped he would be a good character
Should he have stayed dead? At least he could encourage Meenah and Vriska to continue with the ghost army plan.
God, I feel so sorry for his fans. They must be butthurt as fuck for eternity.
Was Karkat ever important? During Hivebent I seem to recall him doing a whole lot of nothing as his friends were murdered
>>84463738
apparently he managed to keep the session together long enough to win
but that was never shown
man these salty ops are fuckin lame. were you actually sitting at your computer thinking 'lets find out what /co/ thinks of karkat's arc! i wonder what their opinions will be? maybe ill drop in a bit about davekat to see what they think of that, too!'
>>84463708
He was killed to prove how bad-ass a villian character is. This is the girlfriend in the fridge moment.
>>84463918
what, gamzee? who died immediately after and never left the fridge post-retcon?
>>84463708
Your garbage autism web comic is over. fuck off to /trash/
wow this is so dead
why dont you just let it die?
Why couldn't Hussie just let her die?
Why did he have to introduce an in-story retcon to bring her back?
>>84464450
Hussie purposefully created her to be a meta character the narrative revolves around, no matter the damage this would do to the story.
He's made it clear that Homestuck is "his cow"; he only writes it to entertain himself. Pointless and pretentious subversion, aka trolling the reader, is his main form of entertainment.
He does not care about creating a good story, because "good" is subjective and having expectations about what some 37 year old man writes in his free time means you're a Picky Little Bitch.
"TIA."
>>84464756
this but unironically
>>84463784
hst will never stop being butthurt about karkat's arc
>>84464787
It's all on his formspring, you know.
>>84463708
Everyone should have stayed dead.
>>84464756
Then Act 7 is indeed the most brilliant part of Homestuck, because Hussie subverted expectations that it would be good
SASUGA HUSSIE!
>>84464450
Delet This
>>84465090
I don't usually browse /hsg/ but were there really expectations that Act 7 would be good?
>>84465164
There were expectations in the sense that an old man dying of cancer expects there to be an After Life
The hope didn't make any sense, but it was there
>>84464450
I remember skimming through MSPA forums during Omegapause.
There was a discussion about the worst possible ending for Homestuck.
One of these faggots literally said "if Vriska stays dead, that would be the worst possible ending".
I can't believe the fucking whore stole karkat's main character role...
>>84465669
she was already revived by that point
>>84465669
You know, half of the reason Vriska's revival is so bad is because she really does nothing to earn it
Terezi feels bad and John gains Jesus Powers, then saves Vriska when he can also very easily save good people like Nepeta and Equius and Feferi, but doesn't.
It feels like something a sociopath would write
Will Xefros end up being what Karkat should have been?
http://sta.sh/01znm1rugx5d
glub glub! :Dlook at those slutty feet
>>84466077
now that i know he's a butler i like him a lot more
>>84466102
Whose Butler is he?
>>84466077
I've always liked the idea of just some normal dude trying to survive in Batshit Crazy Troll society
>>84466118
Yeah, normal... about that...
>Vriska
What did he mean by this
>>84466118
no idea
all we know is that he buts
See I don't get the need for Vriska to be a Meta Mary Sue
When people talk about liking Vriska they talk about liking the Giant Cunt of Act 5, not the Grunty Good Guy in Act 6 who always talks about how she used to be a Giant Cunt
They're almost two different characters
>>84466384
its a joke. theres no 'need' for anything. it had pretty shit execution but so did everything at that point in the comic
What point did ^2 sprites even serve?
>>84466439
What's the joke with Vriska?
>>84466489
He had to give closure to Davesprites story without just murdering the dude.
>>84466489
It gave us Jasprosesprite, which is perfect seizure waifu material with tentacles and purple/pink glowing cummies
>>84466384
>>84466489
lmfao at people asking what the 'point' was of things that happen in homestuck
terezi...
>>84466741
...is a whore....
>>84466489
So we didn't forget Homestuck is a ~whimsical adventure~.
>>84465968
Yeah, it really is an absurd development. Vriska is a textbook narcissist and she faces no opposition and learns nothing, whereas Terezi is psychologically fragile and emotionally dependent on her.
And John is the all-powerful bystander idiot, with no motives of his own, simply following what Terezi says, unable to process things like "my dad is dead" or "I could save literally everyone".
Oh, sure, you could say John didn't save everyone because "retcon changes must be subtle to not destabilize the whole timeline", but that explanation makes no sense, since Vriska's revival was anything but subtle. The whole thing is extremely disturbing - if there's any philosophy to be found in Homestuck, then it is no sane man's.
It's hard to think that Hussie once wanted Homestuck to be about growing up and friendship... and we got none of that in the end. Maybe he should have stuck to writing what he knew.
>>84466492
Same as Gamzee, I think. They're both treated in absurd ways by the narrative to the point of destroying suspension of disbelief. The joke is on the reader for expecting these characters to change.
>>84466779
...who stole...
>>84466985
...tavros' virginity...
>>84466985
...the plot...
>>84466966
>if there's any philosophy to be found in Homestuck, then it is no sane man's.
i feel like there originally was going to be something about breaking fate in the story, but that was thrown away after hussie's life turned to shit
Dawn of Man asks the Ultimate Riddle.
The rest of the album hints at the answer.
Tavrezi is actually a good crack ship
>>84468464
Please Remove This From The Internet
This Was Supposed To Be Private
>>84468527
SORRY KANAYA, YOU CANT JUST DELETE THINGS FROM THE INTERNET. IF WHAT SOLLUX SAYS IS TRUE, MILLIONS OF DESPERATE BULGE YANKERS ALREADY SAVED IT TO THEIR GRUBDRIVE. ALL YOU CAN HOPE IS THAT IT DOESNT GET POSTED AGAIN.
>>84466379
the actual term is "buttle"
Yeah, Karkat is a fucking loser who needs to die and 8e replaced by the gr8 Vriska.
What are you hoping for in Hiveswap?
>>84465090
>expecting A7 to be good
After the dumpster fire that was A6A6, anyone who thought A7 would be anything other than an abortion was deluding themselves
>>84465968
I don't know if Hussie's quite in sociopath territory, but he's definitely an S-rank autist
>>84470112
a6a6 was great literally until vriskagram
>>84470225
wrong
>>84470040
Trizza Tethys' first appearance to be pretty much this.
>>84470253
>breath -> freedom
>>84470112
Hindsight is 20/20. Somebody who thought it would fix everything was deluding themselves though.
>>84470249
well i suppose you just have a bad opinion
>>84470253
>no censorship on void
step it up senpai
I can't believe Equius fucked all the human girls...
>>84470609
>>84470609
...and killed them all with his pelvis...
>>84470839
...and Jade barked like a dog until she died!
>>84470949
she finally bit off more than she could chew
>>84470112
I didn't expect the ending to fix A6A6's garbage, but I was thinking it would at least give us some closure and let us move on
AND THEN IT DIDN'T
SEE YOU NEXT YEAR FOR THE EPILOGUE. MAYBE. :^)
>>84471146
>that one fic where Karkat strangulates Hussie and saves Homestuck
>>84470414
A6 in general was never great, but it could have been redeemed at any point prior to the Vriskagram
That was when Homestuck passed the Shit Event Horizon
>>84471218
karkat...that wasn't hussie
>>84471258
it was your kiwi...
>>84471511
it wasn't his kiwi either...it was terezi
KARKAT
KILLED
TEREZI
>>84471511
[s] hussie: enter
>>84470322
Breath has everything to do with freedom and we all fucking know it.
post sluts in classy suits
Is Karkat a faggoty fartboy, /co/? I think he might be.
>>84471659
>Karkat finally wins
In retrospect it is extremely meta how the author of act 8's self-insert is Sylph of Rage
>>84472050
Oooooooooooooh.
She's trying to heal our rage.
>>84472083
no, she's inviting the creation of rage.
>>84472136
You know shit about classpects.
>>84472050
Seems more like a Page of Rage, if you ask me. :^)
>>84472050
IF she is symbolizing anyone is the fandom's scum. Because any amateur retard is able to keep normal designs instead of blacknifying and fattening. Not to mention those retards dialogues that seem to have been made by someone writing his first fanfiction
>>84470040
the minimun
Do you miss her?
>>84472869
Yes. And I use this therm unironically.
>>84466966
>but that explanation makes no sense, since Vriska's revival was anything but subtle
or how about going back in time to defeat Caliborn before he becomes Lord English, because that's not going to destabilize the timeline or anything, right?
I want to sex them all
everything about act 8 was worth it solely for this image
>>84466489
Hussie saw that all the Tumblr users were creaming themselves over Steven Universe and the fusions in that show, so he had to throw that into his comic just like he did an Undertale reference.
>>84473209
just like he had to make everyone gay because of korra's finale
hussie doesn't write stories so much as he compiles memes
http://sta.sh/0cyysao0y5y
>>84473437
o shit this is good, why is bkew there
>>84473524
main character's guardian
>>84473437
What is this from? A fanadventure? It looks cool
>>84473437
More effort than hussie put in for act 7 thats for sure
>>84473437
Well, even though I'm not fond of whatever self-indulgent self-insert self bullshit is going on here, that's still some nice animation.
Have other webcomics used flash for similar purposes without copying Homestuck's style? Ava's Demon did, or so I hear, but I haven't read it, so, no idea if it actually does its own thing.
Now that the dust has settled, how do you Homestuck fans feel about Prequel?
>>84473663
the best part of homestuck that trumps everything else is update rate
if the update rate is bad, everything else is bad
that tells you what I think about Prequel, kaz
>>84473580
its REDDITSTUCK
>>84473663
I don't have a catgirl fetish and I'm not a fan of the Elder Scrolls. Prequel's appeal seems pretty narrow outside of those two areas
TFW always having to cover up for your Daughter Mother's fuck ups
>>84473846
Thanks man
>>84473663
Started out mediocre, stayed that way for a while. Then it suddenly rocketed into excellence. After that Kaz thought to himself "I know what this story needs! Months-long hiatuses for pretty-looking flashes that barely advance the story!"
Right when the Homestuck readerbase needed a substitute the most, faced with the biggest opportunity a small-time webcomic author has ever had for fame, he killed the comic. Why? To mail lizard playing cards to autists who are actually here for, y'know, that thing he stopped writing.
Prequel was good. Kazerad, though? Turns out the guy's an idiot. Maybe kickstarters turn webcomic creators into morons. Who knows.
Is Act 8 any good?
Cause the only fanadventure that I actually enjoy is CANWC
>>84474037
Kazerad has no sense of opportunity
Though it could just be stubborness, one time he made an Excel Graph showing how update frequently has no relationship with popularity
>>84474040
I don't think any fan-epilogue so far has lived up to even a percentage of the expectations.
>>84474097
Ah, so they're following Hussie's example
>mfw the ending was so shit that the homestuck let's read colab dediced to stop at A6A3
>>84474040
if you like fat, bloodskins, and afros
>>84474141
>>84474169
Actually they stopped because one of the members was autistic enough to only upload meenahquest with lip syncing sprites and the team dispersed of boredom.
>>84473972
>women in suits
>>84474469
The absolute best
>>84474469
Someone in one of these threads who was taking requests drew this for me a ways back
>>84474552
>>84474681
>>84474567
And to this day it's one of my favorites.
>>84475231
Were you the one who drew it? If so, thanks.
>>84475241
*punk-ed
Ok so I finally finished Homestuck yesterday and there's still one thing I never quite understood. How exactly was Aradia's ghost able to persist in the living world at the beginning of Hivebent? Because literally every other ghost shown after that were in dream bubbles.
>>84475447
she has ghost powers
now, how did alt callie leave the bubbles?
>>84475447
magic!!!
>>84475447
Good question.
The answer is_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
>>84475447
Maybe because they weren't in the medium yet
Maybe because of her connection to the dead
Maybe because Sollux killing her somhow preserved her spirit with Mage of Doom powers
Maybe because Casey not aging isn't the only plothole
>>84475447
hsg's connections with both ghosts and aradia meant she became a ghost
>>84475447
god tier aradia was hangin out waiting for her to die and threw her back again
>>84472869
Yes, I dream about her every night.
>>84475716
fuck off jake
>>84475759
>jake never got to prove his incredible virility by impregnating a ghost troll
whats up with andrew
>>84475759
Jake has good tastes. It's not wrong to be Jake in this scenario.
>>84475881
dude
what if the overwhelming hope attack seen in the masterpiece got caliborn pregnant and he went off to lay his own egg
http://welovefinetees.tumblr.com/post/147361524615
>>84476225
I can't believe Karkat has been reduced as shitty ship bait and Dave's worthless trophy wife.
Go to hell, Hussie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3H3lKt5_BM
>>84475441
um fuchsias only use tridents when it's a capital E. they talk with normal lowercase "e"s just fine.
>>84475447
She sucked Death off for permission to roam Alternia.
>>84476225
>Please buy our shirts, look, there's your favorite gay teens on them!
Jesus. Has any webcomic sunk so low before?
>>84476275
The worst part is that it's not even fully-canon. He kept it intentionally vague just to try and appease people who see it as bullshit, while still getting all of the money from the tumblr girls.
And he thinks that he's smart for that. If I stopped being your fucking audience you should at least let me know upfront instead of trying to goad me with ambiguity you "ironic" piece of shit.
>>84476225
>dirkjake
>the unironically most toxic canon realtionship
top kek
>>84476421
nahh its canon. even if they sucked each others dicks in the first conversation insteada complaining about toxic masculinity it wouldnt be more canon.
>>84476448
>implying Vriska/Terezi isn't more toxic than DirkJake
>>84476478
>nahh its canon
Wheres the kiss then?
Dirkjkae got a kiss, rosemary got a kiss, wheres the "canon" proof for davekat tipsy?
>>84476488
Isn't Vriska/Tavros worse?
(God damn it, are we living in a timeline where Tavros has it better than Terezi. Really. Siiigh.)
>>84476542
but dirkjake isnt canon any more
>>84476589
just UGH.
Can you not?
>>84476593
Have you not seen Act 7 and the Masterpiece?
>>84476593
But it was unarguably canon and got an onscreen kiss
Both things Davekat lacks
>>84476703
is a kiss actually a necessary proof of a relationship? man i dunno if andrew could have been more obvious that davekat was happening. it was like he had to REALLY MAKE SURE that we all knew since there wasnt gonna be a kiss. it was some fucking heavy-handed shit
>>84476593
They broke up, but they were canonically and unambiguously in a romantic relationship for a while
With Davekat there's still room to argue that they're moirails or best bros or something
>>84476633
I accepted retconned Dave enjoys having alien cock up his ass. I accepted he loves Karkat's bulge so much, his only source of nutrition on the whole meteor trip was from the genetic material fed to him through daily blowjobs. I have accepted that Dave is a faggot, and that he is proud of it. He is free to wear a rainbow flag around his waist while Karkat frots with him. They are free to make out while reading Hunk Rump magazine. They are free to 69 each other in fulfillment of Karkat's symbol. I have accepted Dave will never be with Jade, since she does not have alien balls to suck on. Dave is the epitome of homosexuality, and that I can agree that is canon.
That doesn't mean Davekat isn't really dumb though.
>>84476776
>is a kiss actually a necessary proof of a relationship?
In homestuck it is
The 2 unarguably canon ships were rosemary and krikjake, both of which had a kiss
If Davekat is so canon, wheres the kiss?
Come on Tipsy
>>84476895
krik was a good character and i'm sad we didn't see more of them
smug chair life with karkat vantas
>eribody
reminder that tavros and vriska kissed but they were never canon
>>84476909
Krik should have honestly fought Sage Mage in the end desu.
WHERE
IS
KARKAT?
>>84476895
So I guess Rufioh and Horrus were never canon either?
Face it, he's probably just saving some mushy bullshit for the epilogue when it comes out in 5 years.
>>84476935
sage mage was literally the best
shame there was no porn
>>84476895
this just seems like such a dumb argument. the dirkjake kiss even happened while dirk was dead, so are john/rose and dave/jade canon now? no, dirkjake was canon because everyone said it is. same for davekat.
>>84476987
Sage Mage X Caliborn is my OTP.
>muh kiss
Don't worry, you fucking cucks.
Hussie makes sure to add a fucking davekat kissing scene in the epilogue and plays it straight with no subversion.
And the epilogue will never come out until people don't give a fucking shit about Davekat anymore to give him money to fund Hiveswap. Then the "epilogue" shall be released.
>>84476987
What does Sage Mage look like, I can whip something up maybe.
>>84477068
>Not knowing what Sage Mage looks like.
>>84476993
>no, dirkjake was canon because everyone said it is.
Holy shit tipsy are you seriously arguing that dirkjake was in fact not canon?
That all that shit about how jake wasn't happy being an item with dirk and how jake ruined his friendship with jane by complaining about it
God you davekat shippers are legitimately delusional
>>84477143
>"dirkjake was canon"
>are you seriously arguing that dirkjake was in fact not canon?
learn to fucking read
>>84477139
Do you want porn or not, queerzo.
>>84477068
female form
>>84477143
man youre dumb as fuck im not even gonna bother. i dont even fucking like davekat i have no reason to want to 'win' this argument
http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/You
>>84477214
You was the best thing to come out of Act 6. His relationship with Rose was really heart-warming.
>>84477214
In five years, when nobody remembers MSPAW anymore, the site will be nothing but OCs and fetish headcannons of characters.
Honestly, who would win in a fight, You or Sage Mage?
Why are people pushing this shitty oc meme
Are we that far out of content that this is what we have to resort to?
Where the hell did Angel, Loki, LB, and all the other people that kept the threads moving go?
Was someone liveblogging the only thing keeping us alive?
>>84477398
I guess they all moved on to greener pastures
Godspeed to all of them
>>84477392
I've only see people talk about this in like, two threads. Personally, I think it's fucking hilarious because of how inane and stupid the descriptions are.
So what do we do if Hiveswap is shit?
>>84477398
angel was just here because she wanted commissions, I warned you people
loki was just here because of angel
>>84477491
She should just draw futa pony porn like the rest of us
>>84477491
to be fair discussion is currently shit
i left for a while for pokemon go
>>84477398
Homestuck is over, nobody cares for the epilogue, there is no reason to keep invested on it.
>>84477534
there is something worth staying here for, though
>>84477481
>if
>>84477651
>when
>>84477398
Can you blame them for leaving after that ending?
>>84463738
>>84463767
It was his idea to contact and troll the humans. The other trolls probably would have left them alone. But yeah I miss him being a good character.
>>84477569
how long until we start resenting and criticizing this guy too, i wonder
>>84477651
[S] Fandom: Make Him Pay (Refunds)
>>84477733
Yeah the other trolls might have done something more than a campaign of petty internet harassment
>>84477763
the guy doesn't have a past, he made no promises
>>84477769
[S] Fandom: Wake(Your Lawyer up to file a Class Action Lawsuit)
As someone who has never read homestuck, skimming through these threads out of morbid curiosity is always a surreal experience.
>>84477770
They seemed pretty set on leaving the kids alone when he was trying to convince them to harass them.
Also his original moirallegiance with Gamz kept him calm enough to not clown murder everyone
>>84477398
I've been posting without my trip on because I haven't felt like drawing. The shitposting and roleplaying has gotten worse also
>>84477491
>loki was just here because of angel
I didn't know angel before I came here though
>>84477818
>Coming to these threads for no reason
Wow, what a fucking waste of time!
>>84477818
Just fucking leave and don't come back. This piece of shit of a webcomic will steal your freedom and curse you to haunt these threads until you're fucking insane. It's not worth it
>>84477859
I love this Jade so much, great job loki
>>84477859
>I didn't know angel before I came here though
but then you fell in love
>>84477859
That's a pretty Jade
>>84477859
>ring isn't a red piece of string
YOU HAD ONE JOB
>>84477859
Jade's highly traditional, lowkey wedding
>>84477859
>not maternity wear
>>84477903
I fell in hate
>>84477928that's because she didn't marry dave :^)
>>84477889
>>84477910
thanks guys
>>84478020
Then who did she marry huh?
>>84477928
Satisfied?
>>84478068
>>84478097
Davepeta is thankfully, destroyed.
that's the real reason Calliope made a blackhole.
>>84478097
kys tipsy
>>84478097
>Davesprite wanted Jade to hookup with the real Dave
>Nepeta would want to breakup Davekat
Nah.
>>84478094
is that a chuck-e-cheese in the background?
>catchpa asking me to identify pies
>>84478127
tfw 4chan doesnt like cute traps anymore
>>84478161
It IS a traditional american wedding
karkat's the type of person who you really want to fuck, but then you spend some time with them and realize they'll never get over themselves and will always be a self-loathing wreck
>>84478213
Like most of us here.
>>84478213
Karkat is a fucking kuck!
>>84478233
More like she's on her way to stuff the body
>>84478233
That must've fucking sucked. Dave figured out stable time loops before then, shown by his pwning the LOHACSE. He must've witnessed his own death during a jaunt forward, and known it was part of a stable time loop so it's unavoidable. That entire time while Jade is having fun playing dress-up and hunting frogs with a friend, and Dave knows this "date" is going to end with her shooting him dead.
Thank you again for the people who had volunteered their fantrolls!
For Godtier wings, do you think their design is dependent on the troll's lineage or just their blood-type? Vriska and Aranea had the same wing design, but their wings referenced their aspect and vision eightfold so it could be because they are Serkets and not necessarily because they are cerulean-bloods
>>84477848
You mean his moirallegiance that was revealed to be a huge farce when Gamzee did kill everyone?
>>84478477
> dressed up as fantrolls
wouldn't that mean she's killed them and taken their homes, friends and parent as ger own?
Nepeta, No!
Start With My Laundry
>>84478343
Yeah but then Dave will stuff her body
>>84478550
Jade's gonna die?!
>>84478550
with breadcrumbs, herbs, and an apple?
>>84478477
It's hard to say, given the slight differences between Aradia and Vriska's God Tier wings. There's some form of symbol representation on either the top or bottom of their wings, but Aradia's doesn't seem as distinct as Vriska's, so perhaps the general design is the only thing you have to keep relatively consistent. Although that being said, didn't God Tier Eridan have some really weird wings? Perhaps there's a lot of personal freedom in the wing types and the human God Tier's just get jipped.
>>84463708
Why do you keep making these fucking threads? Is this your fetish? Talking about Karkat? I really don't get it.
>>84478617
yes, in childbirth
UDP8
>>84478739
yeah ri WHAT THE FUCK
who /aradia/ here
>>84478642
eri's were styled like the hope aspect weren't they
>>84478864
Well I'm not entirely sure, I think it's a bit of a stretch in my mind. Either way, his wings are pretty damn unique in comparison to the rather similar Aradia and Vriska ones. Feferi's too seem a bit thinner than the lower blood examples in the story, so perhaps that's something to go off of.
>>84479027
Looks like his horns.
>>84479027
They sort of look like their horn shapes. Aradia's were also sort of round like her horns. And Feferi's reminds me of her symbol
>>84479120
>>84479109
>>84479120
Holy fuck I missed that. Well shit, that may be the key to it then. Feferi's wings did seem oddly thin, which would fit her horns design, especially the slight curve on them aswell.
>>84476275
>>84476275
The part that actually disturbs me is the dirkjakke one. Davekat is at least ambiguous. Dirkjake was a relationship that failed HARD!
But it's obvious that homosexuals are a large part of the community and of course welovefine will bait them. Hell, it is one of the newest tricks in business. Give idiots what they want to self-insert into.
>>84478477
I was about to say something but the other posts summed it up in that it's vaguely based on the horns and then painted in their blood color.If you're asking for Arctis reasons, her original horns looked like ram horns similar to Aradia's, that curl downwards around her ears.
>>84478094
that fuzzy background is fucking with my eyes
>>84479181
And then there's Vriska. They at least have her vision eightfold, but I can't see her horn or symbol influence on the wings. Maybe they were special because she wants to be the MC and because she was the first troll we saw have Godtier?
>>84479312
I wouldn't be surprised, she and Kanaya have the more unique horns that aren't symmetrical and as such their wings end up being less unique as a fitting 'fuck you'. But I'm not sure there's a canon God Tier Kanaya about to compare Vriska's wings with, so perhaps we'll never know.
Perhaps the wings just have to have some discerning element on them to tie in with the troll? Trolls like Eri and Feferi get horn-shaped wings whilst Vriska, Aradia and possible others get some symbol related to them incorporated into the basic design on top of smaller variations on the wing design. Would help if we saw all the troll's designs, but hey what can ye do.
>>84479312
Maybe Hussie hadn't thought of the horns being an influence thing at that point?
How long was it until we saw the second god tier for a troll?
