How do superheroes deal with due process? Do you know how many times Superman would have to be in court as a witness? How many times have the cops had to untie criminals left unconscious by Batman?
Only person I've seen do it well is Spider-Man. He starts chasing the bad guys after the cops do, and after immobilizing the criminals he says something fucking stupid like "thanks for STICKING around!"
>>84430370
The lack of due process is how I justify people like the Joker getting out of prison all the time. Batman is so obsessed with his mission that he constantly jeopardizes any chance of actually locking him up for good.
>>84430370
By being fictional
Narrative and drama trump "real world" technicalities
>>84430370
>How do superheroes deal with due process?
They don't. Batman admits what he does is illegal.
>>84430370
The entire concept of superheroes throws due process put the window. They're fascist fantasies.
By being stupid escapist bullshit for babies.
>>84430617
yeah no
the point of superheroes is "the cops never would have caught these guys anyway. they still can't convict them, but at least now they HAVE them. that's a few more hours they're off the street. also, everything they stole is returned to the owner"
and occasionally, yknow, murder prevention.
>>84430827
>If only cops had vastly more power, and didn't have all that pesky red tape!
Superheroes operate on a child's worldview where one guy can just punch problems away without worrying about due process.
>>84430993
Yes. Like how the rest of the planet operates.
>>84430370
There's probably a post on Laws and the Multiverse about it. Apparently, mutant prejudice is constitutional.
>>84430410
Batman breaking the law to catch the Joker does not invalidate the Joker's crimes.
The Joker is a known murderer and active criminal the court is not forced to turn him loose because a masked vigilante was the one that turned him in.
The reason that the Joker keeps getting away is that Gotham has no death penalty and they keep trying to reform him in Arkham.
>>84430993
pretty much, yeah.
>>84430993
Sometimes one guy punching things can mean someone gets to go home to their family that night who otherwise wouldn't.
Doesn't mean that people need to go looking for trouble or that cops need more power but if you saw someone about to walk into a busy street would you just watch or try to stop them?
>>84431163
Saving a life you see in danger isn't violating due process or illegal at all.
>>84430993
Pretty sure the point of Spider-man is being able to pull people out of a burning building, stop a gang war in the middle of the street, and take down motherfuckers who have killed several people already on a rampage.
The first is something people really do, the second is something people have tried to do in the 90's riots although it usually only kept like three businesses safe, and the final one is the NRA dream of "a guy there with (ability to fight back" would have stopped that lunatic".
Fuck, most of what Superman does is save people from natural disaster and punch aliens. In the latter role, he actually counts as local militia.
>>84430370
Thats the thing with batman he doesn't kill and he investigates and that why we have characters like commoner gordon to arrest them
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>>84430370
There have been comics that dealt with ideas like that. I'd rather they not. Just embrace the silly superhero stories with bad guys who want to destroy stuff. Punch them in the face.
>>84430370
Doesn't Jameson do that in Spider-Man all the time?
>>84431203
The implication the person I was replying to made was that superheroes are a inherently facist idea even when what they do is simply preventing someone from being killed.
People save the lives of others everyday I guess those people are now facists.
>>84430617
>Implying due process is a good thing
I mean sure it's good in theory but in reality it doesent work.
>>84430370
The superpowers and gadgets that superheroes use to stop criminals is what also puts superheroes above the law. It's pretty often you see Batman punching police officers and running away.
>>84430993
>>If only cops had vastly more power, and didn't have all that pesky red tape!
But that is correct
>>84431079
There is, he just always wriggles out of it.
>>84431344
I want a series about the Joker's lawyer
>>84431288
Only if you ask a hardcore Libertarian. I'm not saying a moderate, I mean a fringe one.
Some of those fucks are crazy as hell. They figure its survival of the fittest, legalize all weapons and let people sort it out for themselves like fucking The Purge or some shit.
>>84431342
I lived in a country like that.
And then the people got sick of it and the government broke down and the military had to take over.
You don't want cops like that. They're supposed to keep the people satiated, not make them lust for revolution.
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>>84431079
Any well written book would have killed that bitch Joker by now. Everyone always gives him so much credit. He honestly doesn't deserve it.
>>84430764
Pretty much this.
>>84431249
>NRA dream
But it happens all the time. And you think the NRA is much more powerful than it really is.
>>84430370
Saved this from /asp/ a while ago
>>84431079
>Batman
>breaking the law
Legally deputized by the Commissioner. No broken laws here boss.
>>84430993
you CAN punch problems away
you can't punch ALL problems away, but every correctly-aimed punch does one punchworth's more good than would have been done otherwise.
>>84431450
the idea with cops like that is that they are okay as long as they are necessary. as long as crime is bad enough to justify them, then that is just the way it has to be
if they're effective at all, crime will CEASE to be that way pretty quickly, at which point you take back all those extra police powers. one thing nobody seems to get, especially politicians, is that all major changes to the system need to be temporary. by definition if they work, they aren't needed anymore after a little while, and if they don't, scrap 'em.
>>84430617
I don't blame them if I lived in their world. There is always some crazy supervillain trying to destroy the city or the world to prove their superiority.
>>84432855
>one thing nobody seems to get, especially politicians, is that all major changes to the system need to be temporary.
Oh, I reckon they 'get it' but by the time the problem is fixed it's usually some new face in office who can claim to be too busy with something else to bother. But the honest reason is most likely that almost no person or group of people is willing to give up a power once aquired, unless forced by a greater power.
>>84431775
Being deputized doesn't make breaking into homes without a warrant and torturing information out of suspects legal.
>>84430370
By being the one that makes the laws
>>84430764
>bashing capes because "muh mature comics for mature readers such as myself"
>posts image from comic literally mocking that exact mentality
>>84430617
>The entire concept of superheroes throws due process put the window.
Not really. Stopping bank robberies and other crimes in progress is perfectly legal provided they don't use unnecessary force. Considering most supervillains are stopped mid-scheme the most you could do is accuse superheroes of causing too much collateral damage. Conducting their own investigations is also perfectly legal as long as they don't get in the way of the police. The part where it gets a bit tricky is when the superhero tracks the bad guys to their base and attacks them when they are not in the process of actively committing a crime, but those guys are usually wanted criminals with warrants out for their arrest so superheroes are at worst acting as unlicensed bounty hunters. Even if they are doing illegal things at the end they hand over the criminals to the police to be tried in a court of law so they obviously still try to preserve due process even if they operate outside the law.
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>>84431522
Nothing wrong with that. Just don't take it too seriously.
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>jjj allowed that headline
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Not surprised at this point.
>>84433310
which is why you have to put a big timer on it from the beginning. if it wasnt for the soviets' bullshit 'five year plans' we probably would do shit like that more.
and yknow, you could hit it up for a vote.. do you want to continue this a little while longer? or end it early?
imagine if we'd done that with the various necessary but fucked up measures taken during the depression.. imagine if welfare had been on a timer, and once things were better, it was ended, at a time when people were tough enough to handle its ending and build new infrastructures to prevent it being necessary again
>>84434408
Yeah I have to call bullshit
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>>84434408
>The rest of the article paints Spidey as a competing criminal protecting his turf.
>In a momentary lapse of awareness he just assumed the headline got that idea across as well.
>He kicked himself over possibly giving the impression that Spidey was in anyway heroic, he would've redacted the paper but Robbie talked him out of it.
>>84434158
That's not how it works... when they invoke 5th cops stop talking. This grinds my gears.
>>84435336
I'm willing to accept this explanation.
>>84433603
You can like capeshit (I do), but don't pretend it's not childish.
>>84435336
That seems about right.
The new President of the Philippines, Rodrigo Duterte, has been called "The Punisher" for supporting vigilante groups that kill drug dealers.
>>84437526
tangina naman fre hanggang dito umabot na
>>84437807
I'm not actually Filipino, sorry.
>>84430370
>Only person I've seen do it well is Spider-Man. He starts chasing the bad guys after the cops do, and after immobilizing the criminals he says something fucking stupid like "thanks for STICKING around!"
...?
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Leave normalfag
>>84437807
>hur dur im GONNA LIEVE DA CUNTRY BECAUSE I DUNT LIKE DA LEADERSHIP
kil urself my man
>>84430370
They don't, but I imagine Superman is probably deputized in Metropolis and has no problem testifying in court, though most superheroes, when they stop crime, usually do it while it's happening with witnesses abound.
As for Batman, well he's in cahoots with the Gotham PD, and he's always sure to deliver the evidence with the bad guys in a way that doesn't legally taint it, if that's even possible.
>>84430370
Agreed about Spidey.
>>84430370
It's illegal, but people are okay with it sometimes
It's like if you were at work and somebody showed up and refilled the printer and got the paper jam out of the way, but they didn't work there
You'd question why they would go out of their way to do something that people get paid to do for free, but you probably wouldn't call the cops and try to have them prosecuted unless they did a lot of damage to you
>>84430370
They're not pre-emptively stopping criminals.
They're usually stopping them as they commit a crime.
Once you get stuff like the avengers and shit it starts going beyond stuff ordinary courts or governments can handle.
>>84434143
I get that he wants and has his own identity but with that fucking get up he should just modify it into a Juggernaut costume.
