Good evening owls of /co/,
We're back with trade #2
>>84428863
So, ummm, how about those Marvel leaks?
HAIL SCANBRO blessed among leakers
>>84428888
I'm not impressed by anything desu
not even Bendis' ability to shit out 7+ books
>>84428888
Sorry we were off yesterday. Got home at 6 PM and fell over.
>same creative team on Thunderbolts
>>84428888
>So, ummm, how about those Marvel leaks?
they are quite the tire fire
>>84428900
My dark horse "this is actually going to be good" money is on Slapstick, I shit you not.
Doesthe headshothappen toBeetlein this run?
>>84428905
Maybe we'll get some Bucky abuse out of it?
>>84428921
NO
>>84428888
>Renew your vows
>By Conway
I'm excited to get a genuinely good Spider-book besides Silk.
>>84428900
Actually scratch that, I'm impressed that out of ALL the books for marvel to relaunch, they didn't relaunch Squirrel Girl, Moon girl, or Hellcat
I thought those would be the ones for sure to get one, but nope, SQ has the third highest number of issues now.
>>84428863
Hello Storyteller.
>Tora and Beatriz
[YURI INTENSIFIES]
Speaking of lesbians, WW looks nice. Diana may or may not have a girlfriend. But then, Amazons are always touchy-feely with each other.
>>84428929
>Maybe we'll get some Bucky abuse out of it?
that cover does give me some hope there
>>84428921
that doesn't happen for like 20 more years
>>84428929
So what's the difference in tone and style between Solo and Foolkiller, can anyone explain me that?
Also, OCCUPY AVENGERS is a minimum of 3-4 years out of date, right
>>84428921
That's decades later, Anon.
>>84428960
Twitter is plenty mad there's no Miss America book and indeed, there's like zero gay to be seen outside of her on Ults2.
I can't believe they're wasting Checchetto on the Gamora book, unless that surpasses the blandness of almost everything Guardians and gets us back to some space barbarian stylings.
>>84428905
>>84428929
>tfw Karla will never bully Bucky
It's not fair, dammit. That little fuccboi is made to be stepped on by a conniving dominatrix.
>>84429003
Vigilante mite b cool
Hi
Marvel continues to be a dumpster fire
>>84429022
>>84429022
>I can't believe they're wasting Checchetto on the Gamora book
fuck me, I know
All the artists who draw pretty guys AREN'T DRAWING GUYS
there is an agenda against beefcake
>>84428888
>So, ummm, how about those Marvel leaks?
#clintlivesmatter!
Richard Rider Helmet teaser!
Jubilee, further cursed to endure Kate Leth.
>>84429022
Huh, they're still 'oreos' here, when did they up and have to change it to 'chocos'?
>>84429049
Vigilante is a very Vertigo-looking book and the writer seems to have srs bzns crime/mystery chops
>>84429065
WHERE IS SOLID FRANK REDUX, GODDAMMIT
>>84429036
We continue to live in the worst world...
>>84428905
Zub's writing is still just kinda there, and would probably just be mediocre if not for the "God no, blind me please!" art.
>>84429087
Glad wolfman run is getting a digital released. Please arrow do something positive, and make DC to released a trade.
>>84428888
Broadly, I guess, I'm more impressed by the artists than the writers? I like the new Avengers line-up and getting Del Mundo on that is great - but Waid, and Waid on both this and the competing teen Champions book too, I'm not so keen on. Elsa Charretier could rightly be called a successor to Bruce Timm and Darwyn Cooke and I think her Wasp will look great - but the writer being the Princeless guy makes me think it's going to be a less adult book than I'd enjoy. Chechetto on Gamora? Great. Gamora, Zdarsky's Star-Lord and the Guardians on earth? Pls no.
I do like that the niche-and-doomed books they're throwing in this time seem to have a rough, street level feel in line with like the Netflix TV stuff. I will give Foolkiller, Prowler, Solo and Slapstick all at least a first issue read. I'm disappointed Ewing isn't on anything more.
>>84429022
So is his last name "Rider" or "Ryder"? It's been inconsistent for the last few issues.thanks Bendys for making me sensitive to this
>>84429086
>Richard Rider Helmet teaser!
Dare we believe?
>>84428940
They learned a harsh lesson about relaunching a book with the same team last year.
>>84428940
What's weird is that the sales for the trades are particularly impressive either like they probably hoped they'd be, like they were with USQ
>Patsy Walker Aka Hellcat Vol. 1 Hooked On Feline Marvel 1,901
>Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur Vol. 1 BFF Marvel 1,782
but you know what DID do good in trades?
Vision Vol. 1 Little Worse Than Man Marvel 3,566
thank you batman
>>84429087
HI NATE
>>84428921
This is 1986, anon.
1986. Blue and Gold haven't even broken up yet.
>>84429136
>>84429141
yall ready for Bendis Nova?
>>84429136
It was originally Rider, but then Bendis wrote Ryder one time, and people got mad. And since Brevoort and Marvel as a whole love making their hardcore fans mad, they continued to do so.
>>84429147
*aren't particularly impressive
Also all those trades were 17.99 which is just wtf
>>84429141
Brevoort must be seething.
>>84429022
Y'know, I wonder just how far one can trace the fear-mongering sensationalist "journalist" back through history. Like, did the Romans and Ancient Chinese have this shit, or did it take until the Saxons built their empire for this archetype to form?
>>84429087
J'onn, pls.
>>84429130
That Wasp book looks 100% in the CUTE! category, which is...okay, fine, it deserves entries, but as a fan of adult women, I'm feeling a little underserved.
>>84429147
NICE
>>84429036
Bucky, like Guy, is a born sub.
>>84428960
The Canary jumpsuit is still sexy, it's a shame it was created for Dinah and not someone with an older, better costume.
>Also, OCCUPY AVENGERS is a minimum of 3-4 years out of date, right
Oh yeah, they may as well have called it Hawkeye and the Blowfish.
Still, Clint doesn't die! Small victory!
>>84429169
I'm talking about Jack here. It's spelled two different ways in the first three panels!
>>84429209
so get used to this Nate not really being the one we know and love in all his hippie glory
>>84429209
There's Gamora and Jessica Jones. If you don't like those, well...
>>84429147
>Vision's trade did well
>latest issue of Vision went up 3k from the previous
Omega Men is gonna have a good selling trade, r-right?
>>84429036
>You will never be stepped on by Moonstone
THE WORST WORLD
>>84429242
Jessica Jones is Bendis. I don't care that he created the character one damn bit, it's going to be a heap of crap.
>>84429036
What's Karla got that the Soviets or Zemo haven't pulled on him already?
He's not like her usual paramours, unless we're counting Clint, but I don't since she was too busy falling in love with him to get any manipulation done.
>>84429242
And there's still Widow and I guess Spider-Woman. Still, still...
Oh, I've seen so much shade at Bendis for the JJ book even though of course he created her. warms my cold dead heart.
https://twitter.com/TheBigBang_/status/752608914483675136
>From WONDER WOMAN #52 to WONDER WOMAN #1 we saw a 1900% increase. That is not a typo. 1.9.0.0. per cent increase
yaaay
>>84429253
Haha,no.
>>84429209
At least Wonder Woman is going to be adult after the crying mess the Finches had.
>>84429262
She's got sheer pettines.
>>84429022
I really want somebody to call Jack on his yellow journalism, it is just growing tiresome.
>>84429269
>and I guess Spider-WomanI'm still a little bit shocked over how shitty the babby story line turned out to be
>Night thrasher nowhere to be seen in USAvengers or Ultimates^2
Please be in the hypothetical third Ewing book
>>84429277
Rucka power. I read his wife's Valiant stuff yesterday afternoon, the Death-Defying Doctor Mirage? The second story arc was weaker but the first story was actually really good, I enjoyed it a lot.
>>84429277
I seriously hope that Wonder Woman will have at least 40k+ sales.
>>84429292
I still can't believe the Finches lasted for that long.
>>84429292
And if you don't like one story you've got the other one to look forward to each month
>>84429302
>Ewing on a New Warriors revival
I WANT TO BELIEVE!
>>84429269
.... Am I an asshole for thinking Oberon's overalls make him look like an older Mario?
>>84429302
I will despair but also lol if Ewing has been subbed down to less books/less important books because Bendis has seen the comparisons.
>>84429130
I would be hype for Champions if it wasn't by Waid.
>>84429277
it's amazing what happens when you go from a sputtering trashfire to a very well-planned and reason to be hype run, isn't it
Spider-Gwen crossing over with Miles is trying to goose sales on both, isn't it
>>84429357
I'm still hoping that if Grounded is Bendis' last GotG arc that Ewings getting it after
>>84429365
That's sort of where I am, but the book does feel like kind of indefinite territory right now. And no Robbie, boo.
>>84429277
>FLINTSTONES #1, 10%. Now, that is heartbreaking. I know NO ONE was clamoring for a Flintstones book, but... it was really good!
i want to die
>>84429335
This page makes me curious, when did Wally get public relations with Castro, like that one page in Captain Atom implied?
>>84429204
>Y'know, I wonder just how far one can trace the fear-mongering sensationalist "journalist" back through history. Like, did the Romans and Ancient Chinese have this shit
Dude. Carthago Delenda Est. Rome loved propaganda, fearmongering, and rumour mills.
>>84429394
Flintstones got a lot of bad critical press because I don't know, people are fucking retarded. It's like slating Omega Men, that is literally the most recent DC book I would compare the Flintstones too. It's going to bomb and get cancelled and the world is a cunt.
>>84429394
I hope that manages to sell some back issues on the strength of word of mouth and reviews. Because seriously, if you'd told me "buy THE FLINTSTONES it's both deep and funny" I would have laughed at you, a month ago.
>>84429269
>Oh, I've seen so much shade at Bendis for the JJ book even though of course he created her. warms my cold dead heart.
I know right
Seeing a lot of people not liking how he's writing so many books and JJ solicit didn't help at all
>no Ghost Riders
>no Marvel UK
What a trash relaunch
>>84429372
I'm not the only one who doesn't find this shit with Guy here funny, right? Yeah, it's Guy acting like a total goody two shoes, but they really should take him to a hospital.
>>84429335
>And if you don't like one story you've got the other one to look forward to each month
The second book looks like it'll be nice. Any time the relationship between Diana and Polly gets some play, I'm all for it.
>>84429454
Marvel UK coming back would be a beautiful thing but also lol that's never happening.
>>84429242
What if you've never liked Jessica Jones, though?
>>84429435
I saw a smart observation that "Green Arrow is probably selling to people who used to like the show and are mad at where it's gone lately"
that's a potential market, for sure
>>84429493
I smiled when Percy basically killed not-Felicity
Marvel Nower looks fucking fire! I'm so excited for it.
Clint the People's Avenger!
Herc back on the Avengers!
Ultimates squared!
so excite
>>84429473
>I'm not the only one who doesn't find this shit with Guy here funny, right? Yeah, it's Guy acting like a total goody two shoes, but they really should take him to a hospital.
Presumably his ring would detect if he had any serious problems.
>>84429476
>>84429454
Imagine USAvengers had Pete Wisdom as the British Diplomat
>>84428917
Van Lente is great. I might try the book for him, don't like slapstick
>>84429513
I am hoping that Waid does better with the non-teenie lineup.
Also, del Mundo? Daaamn.
>>84429513
>Clint the People's Avenger!
Gotta get that GA cash
>Herc back on the Avengers!
Looking as Abnett-ified as ever with that gun
>Ultimates squared!
A literally pointless relaunch going by the roster
>>84429513
>Clint the People's Avenger!
To be honest I think this one is going to be trash, esp. following on from Hulk-murder. But maybe not.
>>84429408
Invasion.
Wally gets sent to Cuba with Manhunter, and they fight Durlans.
Castro throws him a birthday party!
>>84429087
Why is J'onn so good?
>>84429454
Hey, man. A nearly completely unrecognizable version of Lance Hunter is showing up in Mockingbird.
>>84429209
>>84429236
At least he still tries to tell crappy jokes.
>>84428960
Foolkiller is a satire of Punisher style shit
No idea who Solo is
>>84429559
it's so out there! I'm hype and Walker is solid.
>>84429548
BUNCH of good artists in this wave. Wonder how long they'll last
>>84429572
I hate when the tie-ins are way more interesting than the main event. Makes you wonder why the hell even have a main book at all.
>>84429529
having the artist co-writing is an interesting sign, and IDK, it just pings my "this could be something" meter at lot harder than most of the listings.
Any idea about those Kingpin and Bullseye books? What's a stealth mini, here, that they're just not telling us?
>>84429629
yeah, I'm kind of "counting down to fill-in/switch" with so many people here
I'm really hype to see TNC write Storm ngl
>>84429644
THERE IT IS
>>84429644
before Occupy leaked I had a wild idea that Bullseye would be a Clint book
seriously what's making them try THOSE out
>>84429450
I'd say it's time for Bendis to be promoted into irrelevance, except he obviously has no skills that would let him succeed as an editor or at any higher level.
The leterred previews of Wonder Woman #2 and Nightwing Rebirth #1 (though the OP of the latter forgot to label that for some stupid reason) are out. Why lettered label? For desuarchive search users.
>>84429680
You know, we can at least say that there's a wide range of tones in the lineup put forth. The writers are overwhelmingly from the stable, but there's some go at "something for everyone", I think.
....dat ass
>>84429644
>sexist
I dunno, Ted. Micheal is from the 25th century after all. Probably everyone is a horndog at that point. Things mellowed out considerably by the 31st, of course.
Lemire Thanos no idea.
>>84429699
Oh god, I'm now imagining Bendis as an editor, and he'd have the pull to get a Kitty Pryde solo series.
>>84429726
Also:
>Deodato
dropped immediately
>>84429699
Maybe they could Jeph Loeb him and dump him off in a TV division or something?
>>84429642
At least we got LEGION out of it
>>84429022
Hey, there's Iceman!
(Nobody fucking cares about Iceman!)
(Especially when he's stuck in a line that doesn't have time for romances! Or any writers that are good at them!)
>>84429753
I have to admit I've never really grokked Starlin Cosmic, but you know it's going to be the fuel for shitposting for how fucking long
>>84429725
>Things mellowed out considerably by the 31st, of course.
Not according to Shooter's Sex Files.
>>84429699
Somehow he still sells and marvel doesn't have any writers to shove into the spotlight in his place
Waid and Lemire are probably the next biggest writers and they already have too many books, and said books don't really sell on their name alone.
I mean DC can apprently just shove a writer on Batman and they'll get big enough, but Slott has a stranglehold on ASM
>>84429726
and somehow the Phoenix Force is involved?
Deodato tho keeping me FAR away
>>84429724
There were a few new names, or I didn't know them. Bullseye and Kingpin just seem random. Like the Daredevil show isn't that big, and Bullseye hasn't shown!
ugh i don't wanna deal with everyone mad at Defenders not being strange/namor/hulk
>>84429572
>Castro throws him a birthday party!
Didn't he also attend Wally's Mother's Wedding?
>>84429792
There are NO X-books in scanbro's leaks. All is Death (of X)
>>84429792
oh, Lemire said EXM was continuing, right?
I'm seeing a lot of WHERE ARE THE X-BOOKS?
>>84429794
>I have to admit I've never really grokked Starlin Cosmic, but you know it's going to be the fuel for shitposting for how fucking long
I've actually been considering doing Mar-Vell and Adam Warlock storytimes in a few months.
>>84429792
Also, I cared about Iceman, back before he got Bendised.
>>84429835
yeah
that, old man logan and laura's books are going to be continuing at least.
i can see them shuffling, cancelling, and relaunching the other books though.
>>84429824
>>84429835
I'm assuming big launch out of whatever Status Quo Death of X leads to
>>84429804
>ugh i don't wanna deal with everyone mad at Defenders not being strange/namor/hulk
People should be more mad about the lack of Valkyrie, Nighthawk, and Gargoyle.
Welp. At least Cage and Hellcat were actually Defenders.
>>84429787
My point exactly. L.E.G.I.O.N was the only justification for Invasion to exist.
>>84429800
>what's actually in the book>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shooters' bullshit headcanon
>>84429820
I think he just sent a big wreath or something.
>>84429876
>At least Cage and Hellcat were actually Defenders.Remember to read my brief storytime of Cage's time in the Defenders!
>>84429864
right, I assume for now that they're trying to make all the X fans buy DEATH OF X to see what happens
>>84429844
Iceman gay would be so okay with me, but Bendis half-assed everything about it, I would've preferred if he just said he was gay with zero explanation.
>>84429835
Marvel's not actually going to be killing off mutants wholesale, but they sure are trying to grease the wheel on fan rage in making X-Men fans think they will/are.
Doesn't seem to be working out. Inhumans sales aren't great, X-Men sales could be better, and I don't think the big Inhumans Vs. X-Men (Vs. Avengers) event we're obviously on our way to will actually help individual books that much once the event is done.
Fan rage can only do so much, and it only really works on a couple of books. You can get Spidey fans to buy up on the double if you piss 'em off.
>>84429835
>That entire bottom panel
It's so fucking perfect, the only thing that makes me laugh harder is "Who's on First?" or some old Silent movie bits.
>>84429836
Starlin Warlock got storytimed a couple months ago. It's good stuff.
>>84429864
I feel like whatever it is, it still won't be for me, just like most X-books for last five years to a decade.
>>84429835
>WHERE ARE THE X-BOOKS?
In the trash, where they belong.
Seriously though, X-fans need to take a break, for their own health. It's just sad now.
>>84429918
so how are you owls?
I went to the zoo yesterday. That was fun. It was fucking hot.
Also saw a large trailer getting busted for some kind of drugs by the cops, lol
>>84429876
Nighthawk could go piss up a rope back then, he can go piss up a rope now.
I'd love Valkyrie to actually get a decent book and decent lesbian relationship this time around though.
>>84429876
Nighthawk they're saving for Squadron Supreme Begins. And Valkyrie is in Thor 3 (and its Dani Moonstar forget you)
>>84429928
>Marvel's not actually going to be killing off mutants wholesale,
Not without sterilizing the survivors, certainly.
>>84429958
>so how are you owls?
tired but good
I have to report for jury duty tomorrow :(
>>84429958
I finally finished Power Man and Iron Fist, and now I'm doing Cage's time with the Defenders, just in time for php to discover me.
I can only dread his shitposting when we leave the 80's.
Also, that Miles/Gwen cover - did anybody in Marvel editorial think to double check on Gwen's age compared to Miles?
This is sort of like when they did their beefcake covers and handed Miles to one of their few beefcake artists. Of course he didn't turn in beefcake on an underage teen, but the fact that Marvel included him at all = ???? What's going on over there?
>>84429958
>>84429450
I feel like Marvel has a real talent problem in general.
>>84428921
How does suicide "happen" to someone exactly?
>>84429942
Giffen & Demetteis have solid vaudeville rhythm.
They'd probably be a good fit for an Archie reboot screwball comedy book.
>>84430009
is Miles still 15 or what?
>>84430015
They seem to not be pulling new people into the "trusted with two books" stable very fast, outside of Walker
>>84430015
The other day an Avengers editor was asking for recs of black women and other folks out of the industry "norm" who write comics.
The fact that she had to ask to begin with... do they have any sort of staff dedicated solely to talent scouting, recruiting? And how far out do they look?
>>84430009
I don't think they really care that much because LMAO IT'S SPIDER MAN AND GWEN EXCEPT NOT
>>84430009
>but the fact that Marvel included him at all
They weren't actually supposed to be beefcake covers so it's fine. They were just covers dedicated to celebrating the mighty Marvel men because they are so underappreciated otherwise of course!
>>84430037
>>84430015
I noticed a lot of new names in the upcoming NOW stuff, I don't recognize any of them so I guess they could be good or bad
but a lot of them seem stuck on lame properties
>>84429961
I appreciate Nighthawk for being "What if Batman was a total fucking loser".
He's comic relief.
But your right, he's pretty inessential, despite his Defenders mainstay status.
>>84429958
>So how are you owls?
Meh. Allergies haven't quite let up, which should make packing... interesting.
>>84429996
>jury duty
Y'know, while I understand jury duty must be a pain in the ass, I don't think I would ever have a problem going. It'd be the one time ever I'd have a chance to try and help make the system work. I might fail, but I could at least try to make a difference.
>>84430065
>>84429226
It's Ryder.
>>84430015
Yeah I dunno how true the "marvel has the same 5 guys writing half their shit" is with Marvel Nower, but they are lacking in talent
Bendis does have too many books tho
He said he's gonna have 8 or 9 total and that'll just make him more lazy and shit than he's been in forever
>>84429958
Are you capturing pokemon, OP?
>>84429167
No.
NO.
I will hurt someone.
The salt over Bendis writing Jessica had me mad, just call him a bad writer!
Talking outside /co/ obvs
>>84430083
>Y'know, while I understand jury duty must be a pain in the ass, I don't think I would ever have a problem going. It'd be the one time ever I'd have a chance to try and help make the system work. I might fail, but I could at least try to make a difference.
you can have my spot, I don't wanna go
>>84430104
nope, I went to the actual zoo
hippos are terrifying and amazing
>>84430130
Right, there comes a point where if you're going to be mad at him for writing a female character, you really ARE ending up saying "women write women"
>>84429507
Wait what?
>>84430112
How else is he gonna lead Annihilation 2
Still kinda thinking he's gonna end up with FF, can't remember my "evidence"
>>84430130
I've seen quite a few people try to put it more nicely
>don't you think he's gonna spread himself a bit thinner than usual?
>i used to trust him but now i don't desu
etc
>>84430015
Only in terms of writers IMO
>>84430149
>Right, there comes a point where if you're going to be mad at him for writing a female character, you really ARE ending up saying "women write women"
Is this a step up or a step down from when everyone was saying he's not allowed to write black people?
>>84430149
OH LOOK it's a Millennium recap
>>84430065
Nice of him to offer team leadership to Tasmanian Devil here.
Did we switch artists (to Giffen) when we hit this Global Guardians stuff? New issue?
>>84429951
Fuck off, man. Just fuck off.
>>84430193
it's kind of a sidestep, I think
>>84430145
No, Anon. This is your one chance to enact JUSTICE. You must take it, for the greater good!
>>84430226
>>84430098
>He said he's gonna have 8 or 9 total and that'll just make him more lazy and shit than he's been in forever
Oh man, I can't wait for issues with repeated splash pages with new dialogue.
>>84430149
I'm kind of there for "don't let Bendis write women"
>>84430145
>>84430228
Anon is right, anon.
You go to jury duty and you make sure the guilty get punished. Just think of Jake Gallows!
>>84430245
The really petty side of me who's able to be disengaged is kind of enjoying a lot of sides of the "Marvel isn't catering to me burn it all down" Twitterfest.
>>84430228
>>84430285
f-fine, I'll do my civic duty for JUSTICE
>>84430220
No, really. I get that you folks like the X-Men, that you've poured time, money, and endless discussions into them. But sometimes, the ship sinks, and there's not a damn thing you can do but get off.
I've been there. It's really just better to let go.
>>84430296
>you're sexist!
kek
fucking Dinah
>>84430296
pls post best of twitterfest
>>84430149
>>84430193
A lot of the people complaining about representation seem to mostly be concerned about getting characters that look like them by creators who look like them, with ideas like their own.
Is this the Millennial narcissism I keep getting told about?
>>84430296
>>84430226
DMITRI, NOOOO!
>>84430303
>But sometimes, the ship sinks, and there's not a damn thing you can do but get off
Not him but... not really, there's a lot you can do. I myself am storytiming a whole bunch of X-Men comics to both protest against Marvel and expose more people here to the X-Men.
>>84430336
>>84430341
This RR ain't Dmitri, that's his replacement.
>>84430327
God save me from fan-dictated books.
>>84430341
(not Dmitri, yet)
I wanna go running tonight but the news was all "It'll still be 91 at 9 PM! Sucks to be you!"
>>84430321
look for the accounts of people who post on CA and go from there
>>84430327
Thing is, I'm fine with more non-white characers, more non-white creators and all that.
But telling people what kind of characters they are and aren't allowed to write, or imply that they cannot competently write them because they don't look like them? Dogshit. A person should be allowed any kind of character they want and expect be judged based on the quality of their writing.
>>84430327
I think it's less millenial narcissism and more "I have a direct pathway to tell stuff to writers/editors and a circlejerk to back me up"
>>84430149
I specifically would not trust Bendis writing women, especially women with Jessica's backstory. Which, yes, I know he created.
>>84430261
Why not go all the way: "don't let Bendis write"?
>>84430389
it really IS weird that there's no queer solo at Marvel given that there is a demo repeatedly asking for one, and there are characters, and DC is pretty cognizant of that demo. and acknowledging that doesn't mean you have to let the fandom dictate what you write. As said before, I liked one anon's ideas about a Miss America book that would probably discomfit a lot of Twitter because it'd be more ambivalent than just "she punches bad guys and kisses Kate Bishop"
>>84430009
Even if you're generous with the ages (maaaybe 17 and 21) that's still kind of a lot. And even if the cover is a non-canon joke it's probably not worth going there.
They clearly weren't thinking.
>>84430428
The pitch for the JJ book is pretty :|, to be fair, all "we need some tragedy in this life"
>>84430389
I think wheeler has stopped pulling himself apart over wanting to praise marvel while frustrated over no lgbt stuff, since his most recent tweets over marvel nower are quite... passionate.
>>84430389
>Personhunters
Sigh. We're doing this? Really? The whole straw feminist thing? Okay.
That little gentlemen and lady joke was funny, but please don't do this. Don't have the majority of Dinah's dialogue be bitching about how everything is sexist.
>>84430458
>that's still kind of a lot
No more than when I fucked yer mum OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>84430389
>"If you had the good sense to call yourself 'personhunters', I might've considered joining you!"
How long does this character trait continue for Black Canary?
>>84430428
even if I liked Alias, 2016 Bendis is not 2002 Bendis
>>84430404
Yep. I just think more diverse creators and naturally the diverse stories will happen
>>84430443
The Amerikate stuff is especially rewarding to look at from the "it's bad that you don't write this because reasons" vs. the "it's bad that you don't write what I want" PoV. Besides, I quite like her paramedic gf - that has mileage, it's what America does on a smaller (individual, human, relatable) scale.
>>84430466
His crew is pretty all in on the "Marvel is dead to me" bandwagon now
>>84430184
they have Ewing, Waid 8he's solid and knows his craft), PAD, Duggan, Soule...I think they have too many books
>>84430464
Part of the problem is locking JJ into happy marriage and a kid with Luke.
>>84430515
Soule is fucking garbage and deserves to be on the end of a rope
>>84430395
>Thing is, I'm fine with more non-white characers, more non-white creators and all that.
I am too, generally.
I'm kind of annoyed by the push to diversity that turfs white characters for the crime of existing, though.
>>84430521
You can do shit with a happy marriage, you don't have to do bullshit couples drama to give one character an interesting life
>>84430502
>"it's bad that you don't write what I want
Yeah, there's an awful lot of that. "We like this! Make it canon!"
>>84430531
It's been a long time but remember the good times with Red Lanterns and Swamp Thing?
>>84430443
>it really IS weird that there's no queer solo at Marvel given that there is a demo repeatedly asking for one,
How do we know New Wasp isn't gay?
She's appeared like twice at this point.
>>84430515
>I think they have too many books
That they do.
Didn't they have like 112 in June?
Amerikate sucks. They're cool as friends. I'm really hoping Ewing has America under his control
>>84430507
I feel like so many people aren't enjoying comics from twitter
>>84430521
Jessica has literally not changed or done anything interesting since 2004
I really wonder how much this book is going to crib from the TV show
>>84430563
Red Lanterns was shit and Swamp Thing was a fluke.
>>84430532
I found some arguments about how continuing to have Peter around was always going to make Miles second fiddle, and got the compelling response that "the worst thing you could do to Miles is make him the direct target of a million perma-angry Peter fans"
>>84430564
we don't, that's true, and she's being written by the Princeless guy who's big on rep
>>84430586
I think many people are unwilling to be surprised.
>>84430521
I think the bigger problem is that Bendis set her up with that, and only that, and sat on her with that, for a decade.
>>84430598
What kind of rep are we talking about?
>>84430547
>Yeah, there's an awful lot of that. "We like this! Make it canon!"
fucking cap/bucky fans
>>84430589
It should crib a lot, honestly.
>>84430590
Soule's Red Lanterns was an improvement over Milligan's.
>>84430598
I'm in love with this dumb cosmonaut robot.
>>84430598
Miles should have been the Ultimate Spider-Man from day one.
Might have given that universe something approaching a point.
>>84430622
both non-white characters and lesbians, IIRC
>>84430443
>probably discomfit a lot of Twitter because it'd be more ambivalent than just "she punches bad guys and kisses Kate Bishop"
I think I understand that attitude, though I strongly disagree with it.
See, because there are so few LGBT characters, when something negative happens to one, it can seem like it's an attack on that character for their orientation(or what have you). But their attempts at championing said characters backfire because they forget the cardinal rule of storytelling; Conflict. Shit's gotta happen if you want a story, and shit can only be compelling when your characters act like people, meaning flaws, and occasionally fucking up. If you want the masses to be more excepting of LGBT persons, make them see their struggles and how they can have compelling stories as well, instead of shallow power fantasies.
I get where they're coming from, but it's ultimately detrimental to the cause.
>>84430464
Ah, yes, Bendis, tasteful handler of trauma and tragedy happening to women.
Anyone betting on a Dr. Light in Identity Crisis level fuck up?
>>84430661
The Rocket Reds are the best Soviet Iron Men.
Like, the 48 different Crimson Dynamos and the various Titanium Men and that movie synergy Whiplash don't hold a candle.
>>84430652
That's like saying taking a load of cat piss in the face is better than taking a load of diarrhea in the face.
>>84430532
Solo's got a solo, they're doing fine no matter how much criticism they get.
I think a lot of people mistake the volume of criticism for having any actual meaningful effect. Like, people have been crowing about "Black Widow movie seriously this isn't hard" for how long, how loud...?
>>84430677
The point was Marvel origins updated for the 21st century and it was a huge success. The problems didn't happen until it went on for too long.
>>84430681
Right, that's why it's important to have a wide range of characters within said demo; I think we can lay off the 'tragic death' trope for a while, though.
>>84430598
That thing about (this one small loud set of) fans wanting only coffee shop dramas has some truth
>>84430731
uhoh, still ticking
>>84430731
Need to somehow turn this anger over representation into a Hawkfam series where sometimes they reincarnate as two guys and/or two girls IMO.You can tell which is which by whether or not they're wearing a shirt.
>>84430623
#GiveCapABoyfriend is so obviously just shippers getting uppity than any kind of push for LGBT representation.
Where the hell is my #MakeThemysciraGayAgain hastag? Y'all Twitter kids can shut right the fuck up. Goddamn.
>>84430797
Anon if you get that on twitter it will be retweeted.
>>84430681
It's a lot easier when they aren't the one gay character in the line, in the book, or any of that.
Problem is, their role often IS to be the gay one, the queer one, who somehow doesn't have any queer friends of their own. At most they get a relationship, but they mostly only know straight people in their professional and personal lives, which doesn't match up with so much of the queer experience, especially now in 2016.
This is a part of a problem as existing only in team books or supporting cast. If you aren't the lead character, you don't get fleshed out too much, especially nowadays. They could do better by including more gay characters, queer characters... but again, they're not gonna do that.
Conflict's fine, but they don't even think to flesh out their queer supporting casts and team characters. And I don't think Marvel writers are hesitant on the conflict angle when they rush boneheadedly into any decision, intentionally or not. They talk about being scared of fucking up, but they write very cavalierly despite all this.
A queer book with a majority queer cast could solve a lot of storytelling and hesitation problems. It'd also probably tank in sales, because none of them are big enough to sustain their own book among the usual buyers.
Honestly, though, that Marvel hasn't charged into a Freedom Ring level fuckup, especially after Alonso's constant fuckhead comments about queer characters in interviews, is surprising.
>>84430797
Whenever i see the former I always have the urge to respond with "okay, Cap/Zemo it is"
>>84430729
Yeah, because when your main motives to do a story is "continuity is hard" and "this is hip, and relevant to today" you set yourself up for failure because hip and modern changes over time, and so long as you keep writing the same story, the continuity starts to build up.
Ultimate Spider-Man stopped being more new reader friendly than the old one once it was around for more than a couple years.
>>84430470
I think she being tongue-in-cheek, but don't worry, they'll go full straw feminist when Power Girl shows up.
>Hey, looking for a high profile Superhero book with a queer lead? DETECTIVE COMICS 936 is in stores on Wednesday.
>*Innocent whistling*
tynion taking advantage of the annoyance at marvel
https://twitter.com/JamesTheFourth/status/752608661407576064?lang=en
>>84430831
Zemo's attitude to Cap sure is... something.
>>84430821
I think of Bunker in particular, whose friendships are all straight, straight, straight, straight, straight, his boyfriend who he barely got to do anything with, straight, now aggressively straight Robin, straight straigh straight straight. They should let him date Beast Boy at least, for god's sake. Something!
Northstar, who when he finally got into a relationship, married the first dude we ever saw him actually dating. Also doesn't seem to have any gay friends of his own, doesn't particularly talk to other gay X-Men - and this is if he shows up at all nowadays.
Bobby's similarly isolated, so's MAC.
Midnighter got to be about a gay character and gay friendships and gay relationships, filled with gay characters everywhere, so it could do all the goddamn conflict and violence it wanted. He wasn't a damn token in his own book.
>>84430774
>>84430831
Hawkeye sees it
>>84430847
that was pretty funny, also true
>>84430904
>They should let him date Beast Boy at least, for god's sake. Something!
they should make BB gay too and then they can be platonic gay friends
>>84430904
Northstar also got married and turned into a character in a curtains!fic, ffs
for all that I didn't actually like it on its own terms, Gillen YA at least had a variety of queer characters in it
>>84430904
>They should let him date Beast Boy at least, for god's sake.
i want this to happen to piss off BBRae shippers desu
>>84430797
It could be happening right now
https://twitter.com/NicolaScottArt/status/752147284024893441
>>84430940
that'd be amazing, too--two gay guys who aren't dating! in one book!
MY GOD.
>>84430904
>>84430941
Northstar and the Quebecois gay cape scene sure would be a book.
>>84430521
You know, as much as the jokes about Sue being useless in early FF are deserved, she did actually get to have a life after being married and having a kid.
>>84430941
>O HAI GEO-FORCE
>>84430904
People write what they know, and when you only personally know maybe one gay person at most that's what you're going to get. Orlando (and also Andreyko and no doubt others) have different life experiences to draw from.
>>84430969
I want that written by a Francophone Quebecois. IDK, he gets divorced because of whatever reason, and starts dating a cute Habs player.
>>84430975
I miss Sue so much. She's so important to my MU.
>>84430941
I still think Gillen's YA was stiff as hell and left me cold, but yeah, he didn't go "heeeeere's the two gay boys (but not gay in a way that'll ever be sexy or interesting) and all their very straight friends!"
It's a book that could use a rewrite, but the effort's appreciated.
He also apparently came out as "somewhere on a bisexual spectrum", describing his dislike of/inability to pick a label for himself, in a 10k+ word essay/analysis about his own material, which he admitted, was the most Gillen thing possible.
>>84430797
Rucka and Scott are gonna make Themyscria gay tho
>>84431009
>the Habs player is then traded to Nashville because of "character issues"
>>84431008
reminder that Katehunter is going digital
>>84431010
sometimes I really do appreciate him for being him
>>84431008
Fucked up that queer people seem to write straight folks fine, though, huh. I'm sure you can think of plenty of other marginalized groups who can write the "normal" characters plenty fine, easily, and do it fine.
Straight people can put in the goddamn effort.
>>84431055
Because straight folks are a majority, you can't not know a bunch.
>>84430956
>Sophia
Pretty sure that's the gal who gave Diana a peck on the cheek in the preview.
>Rucka and Scott are going to turn Themyscira full on yuri
I can dream.
>>84431009
Okay that middle row is fucking fantastic.
>>84431040
hey, they've had a non-Francophone captain, nothing can be more transgressive on the team than that!
>>84431055
yeah, they need to buy their gay friends a few rounds in compensation for general research
>>84431018
heck yes
