Let's talk about this, symbiote fans. Is our boy Brock back in black or is Marvel just trying to make sure the issue sells well by putting him on the cover like they did with Venom Vol. 2 #1?
>>84423709
>Lethal Protector
Boo
>>84423709
Whatever it is it can only be better than what we've been getting.
I hope it's still Flash, but that image doesn't seem like it, especially with that tagline.
From a story standpoint, Eddie going back to the symbiote with open arms would be super weird.
I'm buying it regardless, and it's not like I don't like classic Venom.
Well if he does return for good, I'd like Flash to be given another symbiote.
Him going back to being normal Flash Thompson after all the shit that happened to him would just suck.
Bleh. Wake me when they retconned all of Bendis' bullshit.
>>84423732
that says lethal arrival
>sandoval on art
i know /co/ has strong opinions about this, but i am hype.
>>84423709
>>84423771
>>84423801
Marvel has invested too much in Flash to abandon now. Although it wouldn't surprise me if Flash loses Bendis' redesign and starts losing control of the Symbiote.
>>84423801
>Venom goes back to Eddie and Flash gets to be Agent Toxin
Y'know, I wouldn't hate that? Still liked Antivenom Eddie best, and Pat Toxin, but I could settle for that.
>>84423816
Sandoval can be decent if he actually wants to be. So I'm not turned off just yet.
New Venom, cool.
Its still Flash, awsome.
If he's done with outer space, much better.
If its Brock for some reason, eh.
If he's with pic related again, im down
>>84423871
Ideally Brock would just become Anti-Venom again.And even more ideally, Flash/Mania would become canon.It's my OTP.
Only interested in Flash; if it's more Agent Venom back from Bendis' space nightmare, then I'm sold. If it's Eddie, the book can fuck right off.
wake me up when marvel announces something interesting
>>84423709
Brock becoming Venom would be ideal, though it's not the best thing for his character at this point, it would be the best move to make sure the comic sells and get new readers. Flash has been alright as Venom, but he can't be a hero like he wants to be with Brock's Venom still casting a titanic shadow. This will always be the Venom people know and love so it's probably a good idea to let Flash go to do his own thing, maybe he can be Anti-Venom 2?
Who's Mike Costa and is he a good writer?
>>84423971
Oh great, it's this faggot again.
Also making Flash Anti-Venom completely undermines his own AND Eddie's character arcs.
>>84423992
>and is he a good writer?
Not lately.
>>84423871
all the Guardians are done with outer space anon
>>84423896
Isn't she like, 17?
Also Venom dad is best dad.
>>84424035
Did I say something wrong? The fact that this cover is basically Venom: Lethal Protector shows that Marvel wants to return to the more popular Venom. And I already said that it's not best for either of them.
>Costa
Fuck.
>>84424137
Aren't you that same faggot who kept going on about how Eddie was the better character because he was more iconic?
The same one who denied that he was more popular solely because he had more exposure?
>>84424064
What makes him bad?
>>84424127Which is why I wantMania to rape and femdom him.
>>84424122
wait wut
Venom is going back to Eddie and Flash is getting Toxin so both can fuck off back to obscurity because Marvel has no fucking idea what to do with symbiotes anymore. Calling it now.
>>84424166
No? But isn't Eddie the more popular Venom though? I mean after everyone was freaking out over Space Knight wouldn't seeing this kind of Venom be a relief?
>>84424064
>>84424141
I loved Costa's Scarlet Spiders mini during Spider-verse.
I've still enjoyed him writing Web warriors, but he had obvious problems of focusing on the less interesting spiders like Spider-ham and Spider-gwen, and had pacing issues. We spent way too long on the Electros.
>>84423831
Didn't the last issue of Spaceknight basically have Venom showing Flash that she was a monster all along? Personally, I prefer it that way. Venom works as a jilted lover who is is fiercely protective of her new ones. Space bullshit is fun, but I didn't dig it too much.
>>84424232
He is more popular, but mainly because he's been in a lot of things ever since his creation as a character.
Like I think he's been in something like 20+ video games, 5 cartoons and a movie among numerous other things.
>>84424127
>ywn be scolded by a symbiote
>>84424232
Eddie's only more popular because he's been in more media than Flash. Videogames movies and cartoons. According to the poll last thread, more people here preferred Flash as Venom.
>>84424261
That's the problem with Spider-Verse as a whole, though. It was supposed to be a vehicle for more obscure yet beloved Spiders like Anya and Mayday to get exposure. Instead it became Spider-Gwen and Her Amazing Friends.
>>84423992
His G.I. Joe Cobra series were pretty based.
>>84424232
Eddie isn't popular, Venom is. It's an important distinction.
People like Venom because of his look.
>>84423709
>our boy Brock
Lmao
Perfect time to bring back Pat and his son Toxin
DO IT
JUST FUCKING DO IT
>all of these Eddie Brock haters in a VENOM thread
What the fuck goes on in these threads.
>>84424227
Thinking about it now, fuck Flash with Toxin.
The red and black color scheme on him looks terrible.
>>84423709
>Lethal Arrival
>Arrival
>Arrival implies the first appearance or "entering the scene"
>implying it isn't going to be a new minority Venom
Come on guys it's just predictable at this point.
>>84424396
The symbiote is the only reason people ever gave a shit about Eddie and even then the majority didn't care about him and just liked the things the symbiote itself was mostly responsible for.
>>84424222
Yeah they will be on earth after Civil Bore II
>>84424396
I don't think most people here hate Eddie Brock. Like I said, I loved him as Antivenom. I just liked Agent Venom more.
>>84424414
It kind of worked to a point. The whole idea is to be edgy though.
>>84424481
But Flash was the least edgy member of the team.
Would rather have him withKamen Rider Joker'scolor scheme.
>>84424446
Couldn't you say that about any hero and their identity though? Fuck, I don't think anyone liked Flash before he became Venom. It just seemed odds that people would hate the person that IS Venom.
>>84424396
Eddie Brock was never interesting to me until he became a crazed symbiote hunter post-Anti-Venom
>>84424530
Not really, at least characters like Peter Parker were still interesting outside of the costume and brought their own merits to the table.
Eddie was nothing special without the symbiote for the vast majority of the time.
>>84424446
I preferred Eddie as Anti-Venom with Flash as Venom. I wish Marvel knew what the fuck they were doing with symbiotes.
>>84424446
>>84424530
>>84424568
I think Tom Brevoort put it best
>I think making Flash into Venom was a master stroke, a brilliant idea from Dan.
>One of the problems with the classic Venom, love him or hate him, is that Eddie Brock, for all of the many, many pages devoted to him, was a fairly thin character. Nobody ever truly made him into an individual that you much cared about. So you were reading VENOM for Venom, not for Eddie.
>But Flash has 50+ years of investment built into him. We’ve seen him in a bunch of different roles over the years–tormenter, friend, accused villain, romantic rival, amnesiac football coach–and all in context to Peter Parker. So making Flash into Venom gives that character a concrete hook into the world and life of Peter Parker in a way that was never possible with Brock. And especially after Guggenheim’s story about Flash’s service and the loss of his legs, he was in about as sympathetic a position as he’d ever been in from a reader point of view.
>http://brevoortformspring.tumblr.com/post/84921065083/when-flash-thompson-was-anounced-as-venom-i
>Mike Costa
After being very disappointed with Web Warriors, I can't get excited for this.
>>84424442
>new minority Venom
Fuck you cause I bet this is true.
>>84424531
AntiVenom was the most interesting thing to happen to Brock in years. Much better than being a generic 90's antihero or eating people's brains. Shame they had to go fuck it all up. At least Carnage is getting him back on the right track. Almost like where Flash was during Remnder's run. Only having the symbiote for a short period of time and treating it like a drug.
>>84424602
Isn't it strange that the things that handled Eddie Brock the best weren't even the comics themselves? Like I honestly feel like he was more endearing in the PS1 games.
May be a little to early to celebrate Eddie's return, but what the hell. Let's do a story time of Venom: First Kill because I don't have Lethal Protector.
>>84424442
Aw man, can't crippled count for some privledge points?
>>84424706
>>84424726
>>84424745
>>84424757
>>84424660
Getting rid of Antivenom was the single worst thing to come out of Spider Island. I was so fucking mad when that shit happened.
>>84424706
>celebrate
>implying it's a good thing
>>84424780
It was an awesome call back to the fact that Eddie was a pretty religious person before being Venom. The whole cult thing just took it to the next level.
>>84424772
I'm not gonna argue Flash vs. Eddie, but I grew up with Venom and have more a connection with Brock than Thompson. It's true Eddie wasn't written the best, but he's been pretty interesting in Carnage, maybe he just needs a more modern outlook and writer, it worked wonders for Kaine and Flash.
>>84424824
>>84424842
>>84424824
I may have grown up with Eddie too, but I don't want them to just toss Flash away either.
>>84424861
>>84424874
Venom rankings:
1) Flash Thompson
2) Eddie Brock
3) Shit
4) Sanic OCs
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99) Mac Gargan
>>84424884
>>84424898
>>84424914
>>84424866
I don't think they would like they did Gargan, he would probably go back to being a Spidey side character but I know that's not what people want for him after he's been Agent Venom.
>>84424898
>Retconning Eddie into an antihero before he was a villain.
>>84424951
Yeah, him going back to being a civilian is the exact opposite of what I want.
I mean unless he was to do something like going full G3-X.
>>84424914
Whoops, I'm back.
>>84424991
I mean he was always about protecting the innocent, I wouldn't call it a retcon.
>>84425163
>>84425186
>>84425202
>>84423709
>>84425227
>>84425244
>>84425267
>>84425278
>>84425294
>>84425304
>>84425330
>>84425339
>>84425355
>>84425372
>>84425385
That's it. Hope you guys enjoyed and might have warmed up to Eddie a little. I think it's important that we appreciate newer character like Eddie Brock instead of just clinging to older ones like Flash Thompson without giving the newer ones a chance.Kidding.
Any news on Carnage yet? I really want that comic to make it past 12 issues
>>84425474
thanks anoni miss early venom
So did anything important happen in space? I stopped caring about Venom at that point.
>>84427021
Symbiote started going bonkers again so Flash bottled it up and remembered that he left Mania in a sewer on Earth
>>84427021
Not really. The symbiote started going crazy again after bonding with some evil space warlord and Flash built himself a little harem of alien women and a suicidal robot, but that's about it.
Brock.....no...
anit-venom will never come back now.....
>>84427800
Actually, this could end up being exactly what brings him back. The way he became Antivenom in the first place was that his antibodies adapted to the traces of the Venom symbiote still in his body, so making him Venom again could actually just be a roundabout way of bringing back Antivenom.
Not that I actually believe that's their plan, but it is a possibility.
>>84428204
Did you say roundabout?
>the same Mike Costa from God is Dead
this gon be bad
>Flash and Eddie switch symbiotes
>Flash and Toxin bond over losing someone they cared about, Pat/Flash's parents or whatever
>Toxin good guy part 2: Rip Pat boogaloo
>>84423709
I hope this is still Flash-Venom.
>>84428298
Shouldnt there be a blacklist for people like this?
>>84428425Toxin would look too ugly on Flash.
>>84428496
It would literally just be the Thunderbolts colors Agent Venom suit with a different spider.
>>84423771
>I hope it's still Flash, but that image doesn't seem like it, especially with that tagline.
>From a story standpoint, Eddie going back to the symbiote with open arms would be super weird.
>I'm buying it regardless, and it's not like I don't like classic Venom.
Agreed, I don't want Eddie to go back to the "We hate Spider-man, blarrrgh!" shtick, modern Lethal protector could work -- Anti-Venom was such a great direction and he's real good under Conway.
I've also grown to like Flash a lot. If we have Eddie having his adventures in the Carnage book while Flash returns to Philly, I feel both parties win. Best case for me would be the both of them sharing a book with Mania.
>>84423837
>>Venom goes back to Eddie and Flash gets to be Agent Toxin
>Y'know, I wouldn't hate that? Still liked Antivenom Eddie best, and Pat Toxin, but I could settle for that.
Okay, that's kinda crazy and could work! IF they spin it that Eddie's taking back his "original Sin" and feels Flash deserves a symbiote that still has loads of potential and then switch, that could be kinda fun!
>>84424127
>Also Venom dad is best dad.
I need more of this in my life.
>>84428765
I hated the Thunderbolts colors.
Carnage is still continuing maybe? Though I question why they need to put a classic Venom on the cover if it's about Agent Venom, Space Knight didn't do that.
I seriously hope it's still Flash in the suit and he goes back to being Agent Venom with his armor symbiote suit. I want all this KLYNTAR shit to end. I want Bendis to fuck off for ruining symbiotes.
Eddie Brock being Venom again would suck HARD. Make him Anti-Venom or a recurring "villain" who wants to stop Flash from being poisoned by Venom. Or just have them team up as a buddy cop comic.
Either way I'm so fucking happy Venom is back to street level instead of FUCKING SPACE.
>>84428961
Looks like Brock is staying on the Carnage ongoing then if this is the case.
Flash keeps Venom
>>84428961
>>84429085
Hmm, Carnage wasn't on the checklist.
Maybe Carnage will continue as a mini or something to end it off?
I'd be good with that.
>>84429085
I'm hoping Flash at least keeps it long enough to end up in a 3D Spider-man game, I'd like to see an adaptation of him that is handled well.
Whats with the symbiote now, does it not like peter anymore?
>>84429362
It hasn't even been near Peter for awhile, but it's coming back to Earth for Civil War, and the covers show classic Venom fighting Peter.
Last time Flash saw Spider-man he was being Superior, and now Peter knows Flash is Venom.
Teaser for a Venom Space Knight cover that has the Liberty Bell.
https://twitter.com/spacefriendzach/status/751131326770589696
See, the problem is, every one of you saying you dislike Brock for being a flat character with nothing interesting, you probably havent even read any classic Venom.
Eddie spent 99% of his own series living in the sewers with a bunch of homeless people (and falling in love with one of them) because he was really the hero the city needed.
Say what you will about Peter being selfless, Eddie GAVE UP his life to vow to protect the people who literally have nothing else. From the brink of suicide to a crazed maniac, they make him sane again, and theres countless issues dealing with Eddie needing to keep his anger in check, and those people, his real friends, being there to help him.
Everyone is saying "waah waah Brock is boring" when in reality they should mean its a shame that in the early 2000s Venom was all but forgotten about except to be Black Gooey Hulk.
And then came along AntiVenom, around the time I'm assuming most of you started reading comics, and suddenly you think AntiVenom is the first time Eddie has ever been used well. In reality it was just the first time in a long time that someone remembered he's actually not a monster.
>>84429847
This basically. Everyone on /co/ is too autistic to read anything else but a single series in a row and be done, and they have to be able to download them online. With Eddie Venom you NEED to read multiple books and a lot of them aren't available online. Ain't nobody here read any classic issues with Flash Thompson I can tell you that. Most of you probably didn't even know Flash was in a coma for awhile.
>>84429847
I just liked him as Anti-Venom. I thought it was a cool direction for the character.
>>84429998
I mean, I've read a ton of the essential volumes, so I've read my fair share of classic Flash. I remember their being that whole weird thing with Flash's Asian girlfriend who's borther was involved in a cult or something. The most dangerous 1000 yards storyline I think?
And I'd be happy to read classic Eddie stories. I picked up the seperation anxiety from a comic shop years ago. You have a point with the online thing though. If you could find me a link, I'd be more than willing to go through it all.
Eddie's hair looked terrible during the 90's though.
>>84430148
Are you kidding? He's one of the few people who could pull off a flattop.
>>84430186
Didn't he have a mullet at some point? I keep thinking he did.
>>84430186
>>84430259
Ya, the mullet's what I'm talking about. The flat top he had when he first appeared and currently has is great. The long hair was bad.
>>84423709
Ah damn it. Can't they just let Venom be content?
>>84424232
popular in the same way superman is
People know him and prefer him but they don't buy comics
>>84424396
1. Eddie hasn't been Venom in over a decade
2. Most 20 somethings that grew up with Venom either think he is Harry Osborn or Flash Thompson with a small few that might have been exposed to Spectacular cartoon. Again, however "Eddie" Venom has not been invested in such a way people want him
3. You assume they do not want him out of hate more so that we are tired of the endless recons where a hero/villain is reset to an older version to either appease fans or writers. It would be a huge damn mess to make Eddie Venom right now because of how the last 15+ years of story recons and changes.
How do I see this:
+ Mania could become the new "Venom"
+ Eddie Brock as Classic Venom again?, Lame
+ They can't take Flash's symbiote while he doesn't have legs
+ Flash deserves to keep its power/superhero role
>>84430503
>Most 20 somethings that grew up with Venom either think he is Harry Osborn or Flash Thompson with a small few that might have been exposed to Spectacular cartoon
That's wrong.
Most will know who he is from the 90's cartoon or video games.
I just want more of pic related
>>84424530
No
Not by a long shot
Here is Eddie's origin story: HHe had a shitty dad that kept pushing him to be the best, this lead him to being a scum bag that lead to a fail marriage and years later a failed career.also his Blunder is so hap haphazardly written it shows that no one work in the newspaper biz of the 80's. You fact check like a motherfucker back then. Some retard claims he's a killer you are after, you make sure the copes can confirm it, you make sure when you publish any interviews you keep it as "suspect caught?" and run the interview as no one knows yet (this also sells papers better)he plans to kill himself for a bad written paper and blames Spider-man for it and begs god to kill Spider-man. He gets the suit and for 20+ issues of his appearances all he tries to do is kill Spider-man for jobbing his career.
Im sorry I'm happy they recon it that the suit made him that way because it makes no damn sense you're top goal after getting a super suit is to kill what would be seen as a 3rd party member of your failures. You kill your boss, maybe dad and your ex-wife but Spidy would be closer to the bottom.
>>84429998
Exactly, and he was in that coma because he was an alcoholic (and was sabotaged, but that's another story).
>>84430038
I'm not meaning to antagonize you, but have you ever read him as Venom, or just AntiVenom? Because that's like saying you think Diet Pepsi is a better direction for the soda without having ever drinken regular Pepsi. AntiVenom absolutely saved Brock as a character but that's because he got absolutely shit on during this vague period of time starting around the 2000s. He has barely ten years of good but inconsistent stories and then BLAMMO, he just got thrown off the fucking wagon to the dogs.
>>84423709
I actually wanted more venom space knight adventures. I feel like the independent antihero venom runs are more suited for Eddie Brock rather than Flash.
>>84430662
This all sounds more interesting and tragic than Flash Thompson, what's the problem?
>>84424697
The creators said they wanted Venom to feel more like a silver age villain so most of the enemy cast was made popular from that time
Apparently Stan Lee loved it but Ike Perlmutter and Bill Jemas were not so happy with it.
However those two did not like the popularity spike with anti heroes like Venom and Deadpool and work rather strongly to play down and even remove said characters from comics in an attempt to play down the 90s edge which was a big part of what they blamed for the 90's crash
>>84430503
Barry Allen had been dead for decades and he still came back and stole the Flash identity away from Wally because of muh nostalgia
>>84430664
I'm not extremely familiar with his old school Venom days, but don't misunderstand I'm not saying that he's better as Antivenom than he was as Venom, I just think it was a cool direction and taking him backwards is disappointing. I also really like Flash as Venom, so taking that away just to make Brock Venom again would annoy me.
>>84430561
it's not
1990 was 26 years ago.
He was being phased out of most media by 2004. A 20 year old today was born in 1996 meaning when he is 10 it be 2006. There were two games that had him it it and a poorly revived movie. After that was when the circus show started and we had all types of Venom's. Hell even in the Web of Shadow game Eddie was just more of a meat puppet for Venom
If Flash returns to street level I hope this glorious bastard comes back too.
>>84430662
It's because, and say it with me, Eddie is DELUSIONAL. He's snapped. He's gone, baby. We're introduced to Eddie as a character in the midst of the lowest point of his life, and he's having a breakdown. All the while, he just got superpowers. It's not supposed to be cool, it's supposed to be scary. As in, watching a beloved family pet have rabies, but you only see the animal from the point it gets sick onwards, none of the loving family stuff.
That's why Eddie is a compelling character. He's insane, or he starts out that way. Not Deadpool insane, not Carnage insane, he's literally mentally ill and going about it in the worst way possible.
>>84430873
Eddie was featured prominently in the USM game and Spider-Man 3, I think it's a pretty big stretch to say that casual fans won't know about him.
>>84430873
I'm 22, and I grew up with the 1998 spider-man cartoon. And the first two playstation games.
>>84430873
I'm only 22, but the 90's cartoon had lots of reruns while I was growing up. Especially the Venom episodes, saw those like 10 times total over the span of a couple of years.
Are Flashfags just mad Space Knight tanked in sales, Carnage sold thousands of more issues, Eddie was a better written character in Carnage, and that this new series triggers them because it reminds them of a Venom series they never read?
>>84430773
You are either wearing really hard nostalgia shades or never read early Venom works. His dad never beat him and he was never molested or hurt in that way.
He was an awful husband to the point it was implied he was abusive hence the divorce.
And he was going to kill himself over a failed paper story that was to be his big break.
He got a monster suit and was just kill "Spiderman" 24/7
Flash was beaten by his dad
Flash was called worthless by his mom
Flash was a hardcore bully because he had no future after HS
Flash was a serious alcoholic
He lost his legs and the only way he was getting back in the field was taking on a monster that could take control away if he wasn't careful
Flash is a tragedy story for a hero, Eddie is a Saturday morning cartoon Villain.
>>84430989
I seriously don't understand. Everything you're saying about Eddie seems unique and original while Flash has all those tired old cliches of "muh dad beat me" "muh alcohol" "I bully because I'm abused"
>>84430903
>but you only see the animal from the point it gets sick onwards, none of the loving family stuff.
and that right there goes back to >>84424602 and shows he never was plan to even be a compelling character.
You meet him after the crazy hit with no investment of the sane part of him.
Also most villains are Venom level insane
To find that compelling tells me you haven't read many books or literature, or TV.
That or you are really holding onto the past like it's all you have.
>>84429847
>And then came along AntiVenom, around the time I'm assuming most of you started reading comics, and suddenly you think AntiVenom is the first time Eddie has ever been used well. In reality it was just the first time in a long time that someone remembered he's actually not a monster.
I read all the Brock appearances I could find as a kid and Anti-Venom struck a chord with me because it went back to that Brock you mentioned. I don't like AV because he was the first Brock I read, he felt like a return to form and an evolution.
It is my belief that what hurt Brock in the 90s was a lack of coordination. Brock didn't have an official series but several minis penned by different writers each time. After Lethal Protector, with each mini the amazing supporting cast in San Francisco was ditched for solo adventures and that hurt him and any relationship he built wouldn't last.
So many writers just kept doing random things and each one forgot more aspects of Brock the man and we just lost his connections built up over the past minis. A supporting cast is very important and without one, Brock became a guy talking to himself and having random slugfests with other characters. You gotta build up and play off of people.
AV brought back his desire to help people but also showed that he had grown with his forgiveness of Spider-man and his willingness to admit his past faults.
Early Brock was great, but plagued by writers who didn't care in the later 90s. AV was a fresh new direction for Brock that pushed his development further naturally.
Can't Venom fans just get along?
I would beat the SHIT out of any of you Eddiefags.
Fuck all of you
>>84431115
Never
>>84430873
I'll never understand why people think that if you were born in a certain year it means you can't have any connection to things that have existed years before. I'm this anon >>84429847 and I'm 23, born in 93, and Eddie is my second favorite Spidey character. I grew up with an N64 and G1 transformers and the Star Wars original trilogy and ALL things "before my time", so your argument really falls apart.
>>84430855
I gotcha, I think it was really interesting too and a great way to salvage the character, and honestly I'd much rather him be dead like Wolverine is instead of in the hands of modern Marvel. I just personally think AntiVenom is a bit soured by the fact that Venom was cut down in his prime. AntiVenom is the neat coupe made out of the crashed wreckage of a sportscar, and while people can like the coupe, I'm pretty sad that the sportscar crashed.
>>84431057
>Eddie seems unique and original
>spoiled brat with parent issues that got humiliated once and went nuts turning to a life of crime and/or evil
That's half of Spider-man's rouge gallery. That's a third of Bat-man's. That's likely most bad guys in most comic cartoon media
I feel if Eddie didn't have the Venom suit and had beast type mutant powers with the spider sense blocking he would have been forgotten in a few years only to be drag in for events where people needed to die or something.
Eddie was lucky and the venom suit was just the rule of cool that rode him to popularity. They could have had the suit take any of Spidey's rouge gallery and as long as he was still a bigger spider-man with teeth everyone would have still ate it up.
>>84431195
I seriously don't understand your thinking. Eddie Brock was made to be Venom, he IS Venom. He wasn't an established character beforehand. This is like saying Peter Parker wouldn't have been popular unless the radioactive spider bit him. PETER IS SPIDER-MAN. EDDIE IS VENOM.
>>84431173
>if you were born in a certain year it means you can't have any connection to things that have existed years before.
That's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is it shrinks the pool of people that care or had investment. It's great you guys saw that stuff but you are not the majority.
The core argument is that Eddie is not a true selling point.
The best selling Venom Book was Flash's. The generation either accepted the change or more likely did not have the same investment (even you said he is your "second favorite" back in 95 most would have made him #1) So yes you can have great exposure to old but that doesn't mean you make the masses nor you have the same investment
I'm 33 and grew up with early 80's cartoon's thanks o my brother recording them all. But I will never know feelings waiting for a new episode aired that was changing the formula, or opening the Flagg battleship for my birthday because those events have long passed in history when I was born. Venom and his history is no different.
>>84431318
>Peter Parker wouldn't have been popular unless the radioactive spider bit him.
Spider Gwen actually proves this to be true.
>>84431356
These arguments are pointless when most people know Venom as a giant black monster no matter who the host is, but guess what? The people that do know associate it with Eddie. If they read comics or watch Ultimate Spider-Man, they'll know Venom and Agent Venom are different people and that Agent Venom couldn't exist without Venom.
>>84431318
Some villains can not be separated by their alter ego, many however can.
Most Avenger villains have been cycled between heroes
Hell the goblin's have been different people
Some heroes have suffer this too(hell look at the different Spider-women/girls we have had)
I've made my case to why I think Eddie falls in this camp of cast that can be removed from the costume and the narrative does not suffer for the hero/villain
you can disagree with it but that is where I stand on it.
>>84431455
>that Agent Venom couldn't exist without Venom.
And in that same show Venom was Harry Osborn.
>>84431074
There was never a plan for Flash to be a compelling character either though, it's what happens over time. Nor Darth Vader. Nor Hannibal Lecter. Bad guys normally start out as bad guys, WHAT a surprise. The compelling parts come from seeing the rabid dog rehabilitated. A much better example: Wolverine.
>>84431105
For sure, what I wrote here is a better explaination of what I mean. >>84431173
I would have loved AV a lot more if it felt like a gradual change, instead of Bad Venom.. Good Venom... Wheres Venom?...Hulk Venom... What Venom...................... AntiVenom
>>84431115
No idea
I like the Venom suit concept
I only care about the host if it effects the story.
I think Agent Flash had the best venom stories because it had a much bigger scope of what a host relationship would be to the suit and how someone in Flashes shoes(heh) would struggle with that.
I will say Bendies Venom in Space concept is horrid and the sooner it goes the better.
>>84431512
And Black Suit Spider-Man and Anti-Venom. It's all messed up, but it's not a show anyone enjoys but children, it's not a show they'll look back on in fondness if adults now don't like it.
>>84424516
Something like this?
I can't keep track.
Venom ATE Carnage a while back.
But then Carnage is back and gets torn to shreds in space by Sentry.
How'd he come back from either of those?
>>84431519
>Bad guys normally start out as bad guys, WHAT a surprise.
Yes but the two you listed had more going on then "I lost my journalist gig and got a McGuffin now I'll kill you"
All the other shit about him came from Lethal protector up and some how made him worse.
>>84431621
>PAK
Ew.
>>84431612
>but it's not a show anyone enjoys but children, it's not a show they'll look back on in fondness if adults now don't like it.
If you are shitposting you need to work on this
If you are serious you need to get some help because most kids don't base their likes and dislikes on what their parents think.
Also what parent is going to beat it into their child that US cartoon is bad over shit like "not muh Eddie"
For god sakes many parents dislike what their kids enjoy though the generations.
By your high as fuck logic 90s era video games would have never happen nor be "fondly remembered"
>>84431642
Cletus found a negative zone copy of the symbiote but basically that whole thing is ignored, and the symbiote kept Cletus alive in space and was rescued by a business man that he later killed.
So do we like Cletus more than Eddie or what? Do we even like Cletus? I'm so confused.
>>84431612
>It's all messed up, but it's not a show anyone enjoys but children, it's not a show they'll look back on in fondness if adults now don't like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWBHMAg4xzY
>>84431735
Carnage has always been Cletus so it's not like he will be dislike
He is enjoyed like a guilty pleasure I argue a red neck serial killer that has super powers seems like a good fit
>>84431703
You misunderstand. It's not a good show in any regards despite the changes, and based on how adult fans don't like it, it's a good indicator that when these children that watch it now grow up that they most likely won't like it as a show either. There's plenty of things we watched as kids but can't stand now.
>>84431737
Personally I just see it as something kids will forget for years until they randomly see people talking about it online, like the legion of superheroes show or loonatics unleashed.
>>84431777
>based on how adult fans don't like it, it's a good indicator that when these children that watch it now grow up that they most likely won't like it as a show either.
There are adults that swear by the original TMNT is the best turtles cartoon.
There are adults that think the original RAH GIjoe is the best cartoon
Same with Transformers and others
Hell some people stand by the original Pokemon cartoon even though it was just buy our game and merc with no real substance to the story.
>>84431793
It was in the top 5 highest rated shows on Disney XD in 2014
It is also still has new episodes coming out for it 3 years later meaning it is still getting a good amount of exposure.
mind you I have no idea what size that is but it's worth noting it's not something like Loonatics Unleashed where it live and died in the span of months going straight to syndication.
>reread Venom because of semi-nostalgia
>Series ends with this then Bendis sends him to space
Goddamn fuck Bendis, character makes a deal with Mephisto to be her guardian and then nope.
>>84431356
>Eddie Brock is not a selling point
Tell that to the AntiVenom fans. I'd rather read a story about Eddie without Venom than a story about Venom without Eddie, and that's because I like the character. I didn't like Mac Gargan Venom even though Marvel treated him indistinguishably from 2005-onwards Venom, because the character wasnt Venom, he only acted like the hollow shell of what Venom has been written as. At least Flash is something different.
>second favorite
I said my second favorite Spidey character, behind Peter himself, how is that a reflection of my investment in the character? Because he's not my absolute fave? Also how does the time period of consumption define investment? If a kid buys a comic in 2010 that came out in 1960, it's just as personally new to that kid as it was to a kid in the 1970s. Just because you grew up in the "Batmania" period of the late 80s doesnt give you any more merit as a Batman fan than someone who hasn't been born yet.
>>84432528
>Tell that to the AntiVenom fans.
Sales showed while they were there they were not a driving force
And It's not about merit, my point was sharing that time and place has a major impact on what is popular and not.
> Also how does the time period of consumption define investment?
There was a time in the 70's and 80's people though Aquaman was a great superhero. Some haphazard comedies from 2001 destroy the general idea of that and he became a joke character for several years in masses eyes.
There were people that knew better but they were not the masses, they were not exposed to the old or of good events because at that time there were far and few.
It's about exposure, could a spike happen where kids read 93 Venom and want Eddie? Yes. Is it likely? No, most stay with current trends. That said current trends is film so if you want your hudbano to be relevant again you better hope Sony makes Eddie Venom and does it better than 9 years ago.
>>84431356
>Eddie is not a true selling point
Tell that to all the people on Twitter, Tumblr, and Instagram freaking out that Eddie Brock is back. It's pretty shitty of Marvel to be stricking people like this either way.
>>84432717
>Twitter, Tumblr, and Instagram posters
>thinking any of them buy comics in any number
>>84432796
I believe those people actually buy comics over anybody on /co/
>>84432863
In fairness comic sales re stupid dismal to the point it's really hard to guess where the majority that are buying are from.
Fuck IDW claims a lot of their positive word of mouth comes from here
>>84432244
>Goddamn fuck Bendis, character makes a deal with Mephisto to be her guardian and then nope.
It's worse, but in the Free Comic Book Day issue of Guardians he tells Stark to look after her and surprise surprise, that didn't happen or ever get mentioned.
At least they're finally moving back towards Mania with the latest issue of Space Knight.
>>84424697
I liked how 90s TAS made him into a horror villain. At least in his first appearance.
