>>84404782
Marvel's New Universe

>>84404782
Alpha

>>84404782
Marvel Max, Marvel STAR, Razorline, New Universe, Marvel 2099.....

Most of them are from Marvel's own "House Of Ideas"

>>84404782
Earth 2
Wilson was presumably kicked off after a few issues and Abnett was brought on because dc noticed people weren't digging E2 anymore

>>84404782

There was a mini at the start of the New 52 that almost nobody was aware of. Were talking 2500 orders for 1 that was cancelled only 3 issues in and nobody noticed. I don't even remember what it was called

>>84405027

That's not hat OP means I don't think. E2 got fucked up but it's still going and still has decent sales

>>84405030

Again, Black Wally still exists even after White Wally came back. If anything he's getting even more attention now

>>84404993
Marvel is very experimental. When they fail, they fail horribly, and DC ridicules them. When they succeed, things like the MCU happen and DC is struggling to play catch-up.

>>84405121

DC is more experimental than Marvel when it comes to comics you pleb

>>84405121
>Marvel is very experimental
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The three major failures of both, (to varying degrees);
1) pandering. Making a big change to rope in a new consumer base at the expense of loyalists is ultimately self defeating. You alienate subscribers and only really deliver a #1 issue for faux-collectors, so they can brag on social media how they won the war for inclusivity.
2) rushing quality to push quantity. Things used to be easy when they only had a dozen titles or so each and put stuff out monthly. Now, every D rated sidekick gets a title. Every diversity quota character gets full spreads and story arcs. For a time, DC had 52 revolving titles. That is a metric fuckton of work on every level. Especially when artists have so goddamned much to do. Editorial and writers can spit out an issue in the span of a bowel movement. Artists slave for weeeeeeks to put out one quality issue and the best artists now only do flashy covers and not interiors. Romita, Turner, Young, etc. Rookies do interiors and are overworked, quality suffers. The days of Watchmen and Killing Joke and Judas Contract and Knightfall and Hush are gone and we get this hokey ass crap rushed to shelf.
3) competing. Marvel does something cool, DC spends 3 months chasing the same. DC introduces a new species, Marvel introduces a new universe. The history is rife of one ripping off the other for decades. Made especially easy when they share a talent pool as "independent contractors". Neither is spending their time and energy coming up with solid material and running with it; they're too busy wondering what the other is doing. Google "Chris Sims - Ask Chris essay 'The Problem'", super detailed analysis of what I just said.

It all more or less boils down to both of them biting off more than they can chew.