What the fuck were they thinking killing him like that. I like post crisis Superman as much as the next guy and wanted him back, but not like this. I felt that nu52 Supes still had a lot to offer and I believe that he really began to grow with into the character we knew and love. It's sad to see him go before his time. I don't even want to see him return because it would cheapen his sacrifice.
people wrote him off as edgy for no reason so they didn't buy the comics
>>84403373
He'll be back.
>>84403550
will he be superman again or take a new mantle?
>>84403468
he was little edgy.
or at least he looked edgy.
>>84403678
If he's not going to have the Superman name you might as well keep him dead.
>>84403468
>for no reason
Comics are a visual medium, and any good artist should know you don't draw a boyscout like a douchebag unless you're trying to make some kind of point.
>>84403980
>>84404309
>>84403980
>>84404309
>edgy
>>84404415
RAGS YOU ASSHOLE YOU RUINED A GREAT RUN REEEE
>>84404393 This whenever someone calls Superbro a douche I show them this, I mean he was written to be a bit brash kind of like Golden age Supes but he was still a good guy.
>>84404415
I don't believe that edgy. Got any more for people uneducated to this Superman?
>>84403373
I don't care about characterization or plot, I won't touch a Superman comic if he doesn't have red trunks, he had to fucking die.
Soom the new Supes will have the trunks that he deserve and that the real fans love.
>>84404546
But rebirth supes doesn't have the red trunks either.
>>84404309
>a douchebag
But he doesn't look like a douchebag, he looks like a normal, modern guy. If Supes looked liked this I'd get your point but he doesn't. If he looked like he was from the 30s you'd call him a hipster. Shit he didn't even have short back and sides like most guys do these days
>>84404546
Sure thing anon, while we're at it tell me when Spidey gets his web wings back for more than a Slott arc
>>84404563
>>84404563
He will soom get them back, he is the real Supes now, and I will be able to buy their comics.
>>84404461
Then they shouldn't have given him a popped collar and always make him pose like he's about to kick your ass and steal your girl.
I mean look at this >>84403373 Assuming you didn't know anything about the character, what would your first assumption be? Cause he sure as hell doesn't look like some uber empathetic do-gooder to me.
It's like that one Green Lantern who they always draw super angry and pointing a gun at the viewer. What the hell else am I supposed to think of him but some kind of edgy gang banger space cop. He could be Mother Teresa for all I know, but they sure as hell don't market him that way.
>>84404494
>>84404546
Nobody fucking likes the red trunks. They look fucking stupid and was always the worst part of his costume. I would rather Superman go back to wearing dad jeans than for him to return to super underwear on the outside.
>>84404630
>always make him pose like he's about to kick your ass and steal your girl.
that's your insecurities showing though and then you write him off without even reading on of his stories. Too me if i didn't know him he looks like superhero in armor
>>84404415
>>84404786
krypto gets reunited with his master, and it ends up nicely. Feels pretty good man, fucking real good.
>>84404912
> not knowing about his power to move his eyes independently
>>84405039
>krypto then proceeds to disappear for most of doom and all of the truth arc and then randomly appears then disappears again when superbro died
>>84404637
>>84404415
>>84404393
>>84404705
>>84404786
All of this is from the Morrison run, isn't it. I don't want to bother looking up the first one, but I'm presuming it's from the issue or two where "Clark" was killed, until Mrs. Mxy used her second to last wish to bring him back and make everyone forget the death.
I fully enjoyed that run and that's definitely the aspect of Superman from the past five years that I would definitely miss, but no one really did much, if anything, with these characterizations of Clark, except for Pak a little bit, and to admit it in fairness to an writer who was crap the rest of the time (some 96%+), Lobdell got a few panels (especially with Lana, and with Diana and Lois) that got a bit of this Clark in his characterizations.
>>84405386
I mainly picked this issues because this is where people generslly called superbro edgy and a douche
>>84404415
Well fuck you Batman.
Douche riiight
He was so edgy
>>84404546
Quit posting on the Internet and go back to bed granpa.
>>84405444
You can find stuff like that from all 18 of the issues Clark is in (well he's in the 19th issue until he dies, but that one is really all about President Superman and SuperDoom).
I'm just saying that even Perez didn't really seem to know how to write him well - how much of that was dealing with editorial mandates, how much of that was poor artist combinations with the writers, etc., I don't know but I can definitely see that he was failed more by the New 52 environment (and definitely including Editorial here) and the writers who were picked for the main Superbooks than he, himself, was a failure.
>>84405386
I wish DC would have given Pak total control of Superman.
>>84403373
We don't deserve him. Edgy faggots and contrarians do not derserve Superman (Kal-El). He was a pure heart and a great man who was mocked and rediculed because his costume was "not muh trunks". Honestly fans today don't know what the fuck they want. Yet DC had to pander to the mindless masses. It is not fair and it is not right.
>>84406757
all that and the new superman doesn't even have the trunks.
You guys can post as many cute or heart-warming images of Nu52 Superman you guys want, it doesn't change the fact that marketing portrayed the Nu52 Superman as a more young and edgy Superman.
Grant Morrison promised a Bruce Springteen Superman, with the first issue of Action Comics showing a cocky and angry Supes threatening an old man with death and goading police officers to shoot him. Geoff Johns first issues of Justice League, which detailed the origin of Justice League, showed Superman violently punching Batman and Green Lantern, killing tons of Parademons with glee and hitting on Wonder Woman.
Then there's the fact that he didn't had his red trunks, had a weird militaristic suit, was always drawn with a angry or smug expression, the Kents were dead and he was dating Wonder Woman.
So for people that weren't following his comics month in and month out and only knew about him from superficial readings he was pretty much NOT MUH SUPERMAN.
>>84406699
Well, I wasn't that fond of Pak in the Truth arc - I don't think there's anything that anyone is really going to remember memorably form there, except for the tacos -- and honestly, that's more a function of modern celebrity/tumblr than it is a specific characterization of Clark and Superman; you could have written those beats for Tony Stark or for Peter Parker and they would have resonated comparably, there's nothing distinctly Clark Kent or distinctly Superman in them, is what I mean -- not, as compared to say these >>84406386 >>84406555
But yeah, I would have liked to see him do more with the character where it wasn't a cross-over. Cross Worlds (the first arc from B/S) is one of my top five non-Morrison Superman books from the New 52.
>>84406694
I think the thing that fucked him over the most was that he was in cross-over hell most of the time
>>84406796
No, /co/ just doesn't read comic books ever and likes to get on a fucking high horse about what comics should be.
"TOO MUCH EDGE" faggots would be appalled at some of the stuff in classic Spider-Man stories.
>>84406799
Pak did write a pretty awesome Clark. He was the first writer since Morrison that captured his voiced. Shame the shitty crossovers ruined what could have been a great run.
>>84406841
Im not talking about /co/, though. This entire board could have bought the entire issues of Nu52 Superman comics and it wouldn't have changed things one bit.
I'm talking about comics readers in general. They fucked themselves over with the marketing of Nu52 Superman. Despite Nu52 Superman being a swell guy the marketing focused too much on the "young and edgy Superman who's different" angle and Superman fans are really weird with the whole NOT MUH thing.
>>84406796
you mean the same issue where he saves squatters from being buried alive?as seen here
>>84406267
or are you also not taking in the fact he was closer to golden age suoes you casual
and not having faith in Grant Morrison? shame on you.
>>84406816
This and Berganza's affection for stupidly named and drawn villains (H'El, Helspont) or for '90s rethread villains that were poorly drawn then as they are now (Doomsday). I mean, they wasted a good 9 months on this crap, when you include the pre and post crap.
>>84406796
>Bruce Springteen
I don't remember that quote, I remember that he indicated a return to the GA roots, which he did, you can take it as goading, and threatening with death (which is very true to the first few issues of GA Superman); I think the failure was with Johns and JL, since that's the book that regular readers who weren't picking up any of the Super books, were introduced to New 52 Clark/Superman and yes, he was a jerk - that they used that for the animated universe was even more of a mistake and they carried those characterizations on there to the two other POS arcs of Johns they have adapted.
>>84406896
So you are saying the marketing fucked Superbro over?
>>84406907
That was sarcasm...
>>84406907
>you mean the same issue where he saves squatters from being buried alive?as seen here
It doesn't matter. He was too cocky and angry in a few pages and that's all it takes.
Look at people's reaction to DCEU Superman. People can point out that he was showing rescue people in the movies and you'd still see others complaining about not being enough or how he didn't smiled too often while doing it.
People don't like different takes when it comes to Superman.
>>84406796
Also people been saying for years how supers was too good and not having a lot issues to deal with it and when they got it they wrote it off anyway? they weren't gonna buy the books regardless
>>84406923
Yes, that and the key differences that bothered people like the Kents being dead, Superman not being married to Lois and things like that,
>>84406950
Lol you wasn't paying attention. You don't think post Crisi Superman ever got angry? He imaged himself beating Brainiac to death once
>>84406950
Nostalgia faggotry is all it is. DCAU Superman is mopier and more of a dick than DCEU Superman and they condemn CavillSupes for the same reasons they praise DCAU Supes.
>>84406975
I'm ok with Superman not being married and the Kents being dead. Yeah, he was cocky and sometimes angry but other than that he was a really good guy.
>>84406950
people lived DCAU Superman though and he straight up tried to kill Darkseid more than once and never started dating Lois in any of the series
>>84406982
It doesn't matter. Can't you see that perception is everything?
People don't remember that. People don't remember that Post-Crisis Superman could be prone to anger, be extremely short-sighted and constantly fuck things up. People don't remember that Post-Crisis Superman killed and thought about killing his enemies.
Those things don't register into peoples head-canons, but weird enough they count when people are trying to think of reasons to hate a new take on a beloved character. Any deviation is blown out of proportion.
people hating on new takes weren't gonna buy Superman anyway no one bought before new 52 and no one bought him after. They just want excuses to hate him and circlejerk about it
>>84407066
You really didn't read any of New 52 Superman's comics did you? Yes he got beat up, but he barely fucks thinks up. Lois did that for him in truth.
>>84407105
Read what i wrote again. I was talking about Post-Crisis Superman, as the one from 1986 to 2011, who wen't through several different origins. Not Nu52 Superman.
>>84407144
why are you ignoring
>>84407029
DCAU was more prone to anger even going as far as turning into a dictator if he wan't stopped but people to laud him
>>84407206
I'm not ignoring. I'm just pointing out that people don't remember the bad or conflicting parts of certain interpretations when saving shit to memory.
They don't remember DCAU Supes being an angry and paranoid shit, but they remember DCAU Supes expending Christmas with his parents and Martian Manhunter. That's the part they save in the head-canon.
So when they see a new take when Supes is being an angry and paranoid shit, they'll say that this new take is nothing like the beloved DCAU one.
Understood?
>>84407281
>Update
so what your saying if they read the whole issue 1 they would have remembered Superman saving the squatters or the train full of people?
>>84406796 Pre New 52 Superman attacked Lex Luthor for no reason at all and he had to be talked into by Lois to help the Justice League when people were in danger Superman alright.
>>84407396
If they're open to the new take? Yes. If not? They will only remember the bad parts and use that as justification for hating the new take.
>>84407410
Yeah, but he's married to Lois, have a son and they have tons of cute moments in SUPERMAN, and that all it matters for the older fans.
>>84403468
Well to be fair the adverts for Truth had him scowling in a jeans and t-shirt costume with what appeared to be blood on his fists, despite in the actual comic being even nicer than he'd ever been in the New 52.
>>84407461
The marketing for NU52 SUPERMAN always showed him as an young and edgy Superman.
Take the recent animated movies adapting the Nu52 stories. They show him as an angry and cocky shithead. That's how the marketing always portrayed him as for new readers.
So instead of a picture of Superbro hugging kids for DCYOU, you had Superman being angry and blood running down his knuckles.
>>84407564
that's how marketing ALWAYS portrayed him
>>84407564
>>84407669
>>84407564
>The marketing for NU52 SUPERMAN always showed him as an young and edgy Superman.
Cannibal fucking Holocaust is edgy.
Superman not being a childish campy idiot isn't edgy.
>>84407669
Hahaha Silver Age Superman was really a big ass douchebag troll
>>84408112
not really the covers then is what we equate to now as clickbait
>>84404393
Wow. This makes Lois look like a terrible person, which she is nowadays. At least she did end up helping people.
>>84403468
For supes, he was definitely edgy
>>84407811
Being edgy for one character does not have to be super edgy
>>84408493
context mofo, what is it
>>84404546
Agreed. They can't come back soon enough
>>84410703
Wonder Woman didn't put out that week, so Superman took it out on her younger sister.
>>84404680
I can't tell if this is bait or if you're an idiot. The trunks were iconic and broke up the blue so it didn't look like a jumpsuit.
>>84408493
holy fuck it sounds like he's channeling Elliot Rodger at the end there
>>84407669
>>84407688
Except that's not him being intimidating, or even edgy, that's Superman being a comical douche in order to make the reader curious as to what's going on. Nu52's marketing is the opposite of that.
>>84407010
You do not speak for the majority of comic readers anon, so shut up.
>>84406952
You are aware that those complaints do not apply to everyone, especially not comic readers, right? Christ, you're a moron.
>>84407410
you diana x clarks are cancer .
>>84408975
>not reading the thread before spouting stupid shit
>>84406799
Truth was great until the wrath reveal. Media outlets even reported on Superman joining protesters against the police.
Because post crisis fags are ones who keep posting on Byrne's forums and are just as autistic as Byrne, who think post crisis superman is the only true superman. They do not remember Superman executing his fellow kryptonians during post crisis continuity. Post crisis was just as mired with constant crossovers as new 52 was.
>>84412653
Outside underwear looks like shit Mr. Autist. What looked good in 30s doesn't look good today. If you wanted to break the costume up than give him a bigger, redder belt. Nobody and I mean nobody liked the "trunks" outside diehard purist and turbo autist.
>>84410703
John Byrne.
I don't give a shit what Johns writes or says, he's the superman I grew up reading so as far as I'm concerned he IS Superman and Johns wont be able to ever change that
>>84414722
>>84412653
I'd rather a belt that includes some yellow in there as well as red, myself. It'd work a lot better.
>>84414722
Trunks were because it looked cool like wrestlers, nowadays armor is cool
Why can't we combine these cool
>>84406619
Why can't movie Superman be like this?
>>84415635
Because you are an idiot who isn't intelligent enough to understand snyders conflicted Superman. In the real world people aren't as chipper as in comics and the pressures of life will weigh down on you.
>>84404415
Where is this from? This is easily the best portrayal of Barry within JL since the beginning of New 52.
>>84417031
Action Comics #10
>search image
>batman being a badass
>>84417202
I should have guessed. Morrison has a great understanding of speedsters in general.
>>84415635
What do you mean He is.
>>84404415
Why does everyone there have retard eyes?
>>84417634
>It's a Grant Morrison is once again teamed up with an awful artist in Rags Morales, severely impacting what would have been a masterful run episode.
See also: much of New X-Men, the second arc of Batman & Robin, RIP, etc
>>84403678
He'll be Superman and he'll have the trunks when he comes back
>>84403373
The problem is, us, the new readers, we're not loud enough.
I started with the New 52 and enjoyed the stories for the most part even after people kept screaming about how bad the books were. I never said anything cause I had no prior knowledge about DC other than the Justice League and Young Justice cartoons so I figured those who were making all the noise were doing them because DC stories in the past might've been really great. I'v gone back to reading the past issues and I've come to realise nothing's changed that much. It was just a couple of neckbeards blowing steam.
>>84415009
Nth metal armor trunks so that people won't say "if magic works on Superman why don't they just turn him into a toad?"
>>84417288
Did he ever write Flash solo?
>>84414722
>It's an "I know better than the one of the most iconic designs and color schemes that spanned seven decades" episode
>>84419528
Superman is barely relevant and hasn't been popular in years. It's time for a change and removing the underwear is a step in the right direction.
>>84419603
No removing the trunks is the distillation of everything that's wrong with Superman's recent portrayals. This obsession with realism and chasing trends is what's killing the industry.
>>84414358
I'm not sure where you got that but I was speaking for myself from what I read.
Man no matter what version of Superman he can't seem to catch a goddamn break. Whether is the hater or his own fucking fans, he is always judged. I don't think people treat Batman like this.
>>84419675
>No removing the trunks is the distillation of everything that's wrong with Superman's recent portrayals.
That's laughably absurd. Your argument is destroyed completely by Superman Earth One. It's not the trunks or lack thereof that make bad stories. It's the writing.
The trunks just look straight up ridiculous. I'm so fucking glad they're gone. And if you can seemingly wave off Batman's lack of trunks, then you can do the same for Superman.
>>84420146
Superman Earth One is terrible, and if the writing trumps everything then there is no need to mess with iconography. And Batman's trunks are way lower on the list of defining visual traits than Superman's.
>>84419501
He had a brief stunt with Mark Millar on Wally's Flash solo and that was pretty dope.
He was inspired by Flash mythos when writing Multiversity and stated several times it's his dream project.
