Guys ive gotten to the point where im about to give up on this company. I barely enjoy any of the comics they have put out in the last few years and i used to read almost everything. If it wasn't for Ewing and Duggan i probably would have stopped completely already anybody else feeling the same here?
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>>84362323
>company loyalty
Fuckin stupid.
>>84362323
I pirate both Moon Knight, which is just serviceable, and The Punisher, which is so bad it's depressing but I like the character so I'll probably stick it out until it become outright unbearable.
But yeah Marvel is irredeemable now.
>>84362375
People read Marvel and DC for their "universes". It's no different than being into a video game franchise.
>>84362323
I'm on the same boat and I've been reading Marvel for 32 years
Same here. Most of my favorite characters have been replaced, emarginated, or died. The current Marvel Universe is almost unrecognizable to me, at this point. Why i should care
I honestly don't even care about the changes. I just wish they'd focus on quality rather than constantly (and obviously) trying to get new readers by being """shocking""".
It's stupid. It's dumb. Because, I mean, I personally am a new Marvel reader, trying to get into their books with ANAD......and all these upcoming changes, all these bad creative teams on big books, all these events and whatnot -- it's just ruining my motivation to go deeper into their comics.
Right now, at least, I'm content with going through their back catalog and ignoring anything new they have (currently reading Lee/Ditko Spider-Man).
>>84362448
Why are still selling? Are there actually new readers?
>>84362323
Now Imagine you've felt like this for almost 6 years. Whedon was a mistake.
I really hate to be that guy turning this thead down this way but.....without their flagship series they're fucked.
Marvel hasn't made anything since the 90s better than any DC comic out there
Maybe it's time to grow up.
>>84362490
Continuous relauncing, events, and other marketing gimmicks i suppose. The current comic book readership goes after them apparently.
>>84362542
I wanna debate you so hard.......Um Utopia and Second coming? Fuck
>>84362323
Honestly, I only ever really came back to Marvel at all because of movies/games.
Most of my buys are going to be older material.
I still mostly hate what they're actually currently producing, and it reinforces my decision to drop this shit years ago.
I could never get into modern marvel. It always felt so self-conscious, like a teenage girl who's desperately wants to fit in.
>>84362639
At least well always have Busiek Avengers before Bendis raped the franchise.
>>84362542
looks tasty, you're gonna hook a couple
>>84362695
>It always felt so self-conscious, like a teenage girl who's desperately wants to fit in.
I'm going to use this now. Perfectly well put.
>>84362323
>anybody else feeling the same here?
>>84362695
not like DC who just rebooted itself and had a literal "rebirth"
>>84362542
this
people talking about how modern marvel is bad must have been deluding themselves for years, marvel has always been bad
>>84362323
I only read ASM (despite hating Slott), Punisher and Invicible Iron Man.
And since Tony is being replaced by "generic minority character", I'm dropping Invicible soon.
Fuck Marvel, I'll be exclusively DC from now on.
>>84362470
>(currently reading Lee/Ditko Spider-Man).
That's some good taste there, anon.
Love Marvel it's pretty great. big 2 are always about the same % of good books, shit books, and who cares books. company wars are pointless
I am at the point in which I wish they would kill the x men so I could stop giving Marvel money, I feel like a beaten wife who stays for the kids.
>>84362323
>>84363522
>muh neutrality
DC is head and shoulders above Marvel
>>84363484
I know your feeling on the ASM thing. Hate where it's going, but I have too much love for Peter to stop.
Other shit I'm following at Marvel at the moment is Mercs for Money, Spider-Man/Deadpool, Vision, and Daredevil. Other than that I've almost exclusively switched over to DC.
>>84363792
>muh DC
Neither DC nor Marvel are worth reading at all. If you're going to stoop so low as to enjoy this trash then one is exactly the same as the other.
>>84363792
>muh contrarianism
We know, junior. It's not as popular(despite having the two biggest properties in the genre's history) so it's the hip one to like.
>>84362639
>>84362542
Annihilation.
The Guardians of the Galxey follow up.
World War Hulk
I personally liked the slott She Hulk and GLA minis
After that mileage will vary.
>>84363873
I don't think we've been reading the same books by DC. Recently they've been knocking this shit out of the park.
>>84363792
both make good books and both make bad books. are you only allowed to read like one comic a day or something?
>>84363930
most of the rebirth titles have been mediocre
>>84363993
Well mediocre is kicking Marvel's ass.
>>84363945
I just generally prefer DC and I think it has a lot to do with how DC interweaves their past stories to form a more interesting background setting.
X-men is still fucked right? What was the last good x-men comic?
>>84365292
Carey's X-Men Legacy?
>>84365292
Uncanny X-Men is currently good, also Old Man Logan
If you mean great, then X-Men Legacy by Spurrier november 2012- March of 2014
And before that Uncanny X Men by Gillen which from 2011-2012 + his Avengers vs X-Men Consequences
2014 after March +2015 were the worst years for X-Men, a desert of Bendis.
>>84362323
Even since before reading it I knew Secret Wars would be my final Marvel story. It was so big and legit good I could only see the line going downhill afterwards. The ending was oddly beautiful, every single character resolved their issues, came to term with everything that had happened to them, even the end of the world and choosing who they would be, all evil was defeated and done away with with a new world created and a second chance at happiness for all. It's the perfect end to decades of Marvel, why would I want anything after it?
I like Gwenpool, Nova, and Vision currently. I'll probably read Champions to see if it's good. I like most of these new characters, Miles Morales excluded.
>>84363894
>World War Hulk
No way. Not to mention that this is the biggest offender of the status quo in comics. All the damage Hulk caused was repaired in no time.
>>84362323
Not really, what I've been following I've been enjoying, what I don't I just hear about from you guys. Honestly, I've been enjoying more stuff from them than naught, same with DC, and a few of the upcoming titles just sound awesome, I'm not about to give up on either company.
>>84364310
Doing reboots?
>>84366422
Reboots are like a forest fire, it's beneficial in the long run clearing out the dead trees.
>>84362323
Same. I'm reading Deadpool, Visions, Ant-Man & Moon Knight. That's about it, DC is doing way better right now.
>>84366422
Just cause DC does Reboots doesn't mean they forget the old stories. In fact reboots help weed out the clunky continuity that stifles character and story and helps discern the timeless elements.
>>84366422
Reboots doesn't mean past stories are forgotten.
Look at reboots like shuffling a deck of cards.
>>84362426
this
>>84362542
dc published red hood and the outlaws its not hard to beat that
come to think of it i wonder if theres anything that beats idws dragontown or the good the bad and the ponies for sheer shitness those years (2015 and 2014 respectivly)
What are some essential stories to read on marvel unalimaited before I cancel my sub in a week
>>84362560
>all Eclipse comics are creator owned
Biggest fucking lie ever told.
>>84362323
The only shit I have bought from Marvel lately has been omnibuses of old stuff. I have no interest in any of their new shit with its shitty art and sjw agenda and with how much they are trying to destroy the X franchise
>>84362560
And where are Eclipse comics now?
>>84362323
>Guys ive gotten to the point where im about to give up on this company. I barely enjoy any of the comics they have put out in the last few years and i used to read almost everything.
Then close your wallet to them. Close it now. You'll just have more cash to spend on things that you might actually like.
Otherwise, the old saying about a fool and his money applies.
>>84363993
And all of Marvel's books are trash, so yeah.
>>84366422
DC does the occasional hard reboot to clean house.
Marvel is constantly soft rebooting multiple times a year.
>>84367277
>DC does the occasional hard reboot
With the un-rebooting of Rebirth DC has never had a full on hard reboot.
>>84362512
I love that card.
>>84367428
Rebirth isn't a reboot tho
>>84365558
Did we read the same Secret Wars? Hickman's run and almost all its tie-ins leading up to the event moved from decent character work to setpiece after setpiece setting up the power of the next threat. Every character arc was rushed to a resolution by the time the actual event came around.
>>84362323
just give up, try reading pr switch to indie, manga, european comics.
>>84362426
>People read Marvel and DC for their "universes"
Not really. I'd be happy reading Dardevil and Punisher without the Avengers and the other faggots ever showing up
>>84363829
>Hate where it's going, but I have too much love for Peter to stop.
You're a fucking faggot and everything wrong with this industry. I hope you know that
>>84368016
I'd much prefer that. I'd rather read Daredevil solo than have some character I don't give a shit about show up every few issues.
>>84366945
hey hardly fair to blame eclipse for what happened to them
>>84366945
Try the dollar bin.
You wont be sorry.
And check out First comics while you're there.
>>84363993
With just two issues released from a few titles. At least with DC you get proven creators, HB and young animal.
>>84369928
The flood which destroyed much of their backstock was the beginning of the end for Eclipse.
Todd McFarlane currently owns the rights to Eclipse publications that are not yet taken back by their respective creators/estates.
>>84362426
>>84368016
>>84368202
Speaking of this, why don't they have separate comics for characters set in their own universe, where they are the only heroes. Superman could have one where he's the only hero, same with Batman, GL, and Flash. That could be fun.
>>84370133
It's been said before but X-Men would be better in it's own little canon
>>84370202
Marvel did something like that in the DeFalco era
I've been reading for 15 years and I'm barely hanging on, I'd say /co/ is the only reason I pay attention to modern comics.
I do 95% of my non-novel reading pre-2000s or just manga these days.
>>84362560
tbf Miracleman is the GOAT
>>84363221
damn anon
why you do this
>>84365349
Spurrier's. fuk u
>>84365558
I should've gotten out.
But they gave Strange his first ongoing in 20 years so they reeled me right back in. I had faith in Aaron.
Hoo boy it was not worth it...Then again had I not stuck around I wouldn't have been exposed to the glory of Ultimates.
>>84367428
>With the un-rebooting of Rebirth
...Unbirth?
nah man i still enjoy about... 60-70% of marvel comics, and the movies.
isn't a lot of the current comics bullshit because of the ceo?
I think the last Marvel comic I enjoyed was Ellis' Moon Knight, even though I didn't like as much as some of the earlier runs. I tried Lemire's but it doesn't click with me.
Playing at Marvel EIC and with the current staff of writres I would switch the writers like this:
>Ewing = cosmic books
>Soule = Midnight Sons/Marvel horror relaunch
>Spencer = X-Men
>Spurrirer = Death's Head
>Waid = Steve Rogers Cap
>Bendis = Punisher (it would be better than Cloonan and they won't fire him)
>PAD = Spider-Man
>Ellis= Squadron Supreme
>Waid = Iron Man
>Wair or PAD= Thunderbolts
>>84370323
>the unborn
That's enlightenment
>>84370411
What about the Avengers, Inhumemes, and "quirky" books?
>>84370446
>"quirky" books
Leth it all burn.
>>84370446
Inhumans...I don't know...Joe Kelly, he could strike gold or miss spectacularly.
Avengers I would give to Duggan (and keep him on DP, of course)...Quirky books have their market and I'm trying to conquer back lapsed/allienated readers, so I'll leave them as they are now...but not crossing over too much with rest of the line, sort of like AOS and the MCU
>>84370482
Carrrrloooooos!
>>84362323
Just do what I've done for the last few years now and get a tablet, pick a character you like, and download the entirety of one of their titles. Then start reading, skipping only when a new writer you don't like takes over.
Spider-Man was a good one. ASM is consistently quality until Michelinie.
Sucks man.thats why I been getting into more indie Titles/Minis las of late but still reading from the big 2 & My current DC reads are future quest,Green arrow rebirth,batman rebirth,I,m currently finishing collecting the 52Deathstrok ,And the N52 larfleez, & marvel is Carnage,Gweenpool,Xmen92 & thinking about picking up vision Other Tomboy,young terrorist,Tankgirl 2 girl's 1 Tank,Godkiller,Tmnt beebop rocksteady. What do you guys think of Xmen92?
You're just getting old pal.
>>84366815
Dna guardians
>>84367650
then post a better image than this shit.
>>84370939
Can this be cannon now that Disney owns marvel & Lucia arts
>>84362323
I'm currently following six marvel books and that feels like a good number for me.
>>84362323
I guarantee you haven't read everything they put out in the past. So hows about you get started on that?
>>84362406
Hey fuck you Irredeemable was a fun comic.
>>84362639
Uncanny X force.
>>84362323
Same here, anon. I was probably buying 30 or so Marvel comics a month at the peak of the Quesada-era. Now, I have windled down all the way down to two: Spider-Man and Punisher and that is only because I have been following those guys since I was like three.
If I were you I'd check out some of the new rebirth books from DC, some of the IDW books, maybe Valiant. The best thing that could happen to Marvel right now is for them to realize that their current plan/agenda results in low sales, but that can only happen if people stop buying this shit.
>>84365523
Laura's book is pretty good also.
What's putting me off is the constant relaunches and shake ups, books aren't allowed to have stories for longer than a year before they're forced to have to start over and lose momentum because they need to make their next #1 issue "new reader friendly". I mean for fuck's sake New Avengers will do absolutely nothing with Evil Reed/The maker and will just become US Avengers when they finish their fight with Shield.
>>84371167
You blame Alonso for that.
>>84362323
Only books I'm still reading consistently are Deadpool and Vision. I'll pop in the occasional storytime of Ewing's books, Gwenpool, and Spidey/Deadpool, but honestly once Vision ends I might just go full indie. For some reason, Bendis wiring a Doom as Iron Man book was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.
>>84371192
Is that Alonso's fault or Gabriel's?
>>84371238
Who is Gabriel?
>>84371253
Marvel's SVP of Sales & Marketing
>>84362542
DC has never been better than Marvel other than the late 90s. Yeah sure you can hook couple of DC fans like yourself but it's the truth. Even in their shittiest form, Marvel has always been better than DC and it'll always be like that.
>>84371238
The guy who said this
>“We’re Going To Kill A Character Every Quarter”
