>Lived long enough to witness the first ever Superman/Batman movie
>Not sure how to feel about it
This isn't right
Bobby Hill: The Movie
>>84361971
I didnt want a fight to begin with, all I wanted was two ideologies clashing but learning to work together for a common goal, ended by a based handshake. Sucks this was their first meeting
>we're finally going to see all of our favorite superheroes translated onto the big screen in a big shared universe
>they got the worst possible person to jump start the DCEU
>so far, practically everything that could have gone wrong, has gone wrong
Life's just a big, cruel joke, I tell you.
You lived ling enough to see capekino
>>84362014
Nothing has gone wrong. You're just too much of a dumbass to understand.
>>84362014
>you will never traverse universes until you find the reality were the Snyder chosen to start the DCEU is talented, and intelligent and an accomplished visionary director.
Will you join us in the sun?
>>84361971
at least they're both looking in the same direction on that one
it really bugged me when they had the two of them or all three on a poster and they were all looking in different directions
sure you can't do much about the angles or lighting being wrong if the photographers didn't take the pictures all together, but you could at least hope someone would fuckin shoop their eyes to all be looking in one direction
>>84362044
>Nothing has gone wrong.
>Superman's a murderer
>Batman's a murderer
>The shittiest live-action Lex so far
>all that shitty casting
>rushing into things instead of taking the time to establish characters first with their own solo movies and letting relationships and plotlines develop naturally
>shitty gritty, realistic tone so far
>Superman already dead after BvS
I'm holding out hope that everything that isn't touched by Snyder is good and that he's gone after JL but so far, things aren't looking great.
the aproach was shit since the beginning
we didn't need Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
we needed Batman & Superman. World's Finest
>>84362088
seriously does Ben just look at something else on purpose or is he legit blind and afraid to admit it
>>84362084
That's this universe. The one were the single digit IQ, waste of space, unintelligent faggot can't understand a decent film, I.e you.
>>84362128
FEELIN' FINE
>>84362160
>using an evans reaction image to defend his shitty garbage DCEU film
Not only do you have a terrible taste in movies, youre also an awful memester.
>>84362160
Shut the fuck up queer. This was a shitty ass movie and Zack Snyder is an even more worse director.
>>84362084
>or just the alternate universe where Snyder had fuck all to do with the DCEU at all
>>84362148
Not even just that. We just needed a Batman solo movie first at least, maybe even a WW solo movie already. They shouldn't have waited that long to get the ball rolling. Instead of just MoS and then BvS like three years later, should've planned ahead and dotted the previous couple of years with more DCEU movies to help establish the universe.
>>84362182
I like Amy Adams a lot and she's fucking hot but she's a terrible Lois. See what I mean?
Guys why do you even take the "2deep4u" bait?
>>84362128
>Superman's a murderer
Fucking retard lol
>Batman's a murderer
He's always been ome
>The shittiest live-action Lex so far
He's the first ever competent lex you cocksucking faggot
>all that shitty casting
Hahaha
>rushing into things instead of taking the time to establish characters first with their own solo movies and letting relationships and plotlines develop naturally
"rushing" no.
>shitty gritty, realistic tone so far
You fucking idiot, how is flying gritty?
>Superman already dead after BvS
You're not worth the time.
If I killed you right now, literally no one would care
>>84362220
its fun
>>84362220
Because there are some fuckers who actually believe that bullshit and someone has to tell them off.
>>84361971
This is a dream come true but it turned into one of those weird awkward dreams you kind of wish you didn't remember.
>>84362239
So obviously bait.
>>84362243
It's called "monkey's paw," anon.
>>84362239
Case in point, said retard.
Superman kills the African warlord the very first go around. Lex is a shitty joker and even worse riddler impersonater.
>Skelebones
>Good casting
They did rush. second movie in and you have the trinity right off the bat? The entire movie was shot in grey tones. How is that not a valid complaint? You kill Supes two movies in?
You are a waste of space. Go kill yourself, since only you would care enough to do it.
>>84362197
>>84362193
>All this assblast
Just because you're literally too dumb to understand this movie lmao
My little cousin could understand it perfectly
Who else was really fucking depressed once you realized BvS dropped the ball? Its surreal that I cant get excited for Justice League. JUSTICE LEAGUE for god sake. Suicide Squad is about the only thing right now that could get me invested
>>84362290
Didn't read lmao
Post Kino, lets vex these faggots polluting the gene pool
>>84362305
>Not the first post by this IP
Lol
>>84362305
Didn't have high expectations so not depressed, just disappointed.
>>84362239
kys
>>84362202
Imagine an Affleck-directed Batman movie hyping the living shit out of BvS, and actually showing what the fuck is wrong with this iteration of Batsy
>>84362305
i remember on my first viewing when i stopped focusing on the screen for a second and realized the smile and enthusiasm i walked into the room with were gone half way through the film
>>84362305
I'm actually genuinely depressed by the state of the DCEU in its entirety. It's what I've always wanted to see but WB has completely floundered getting its shit together.
Like you said, we're getting a fucking JL movie but I can't even get excited when I know that:
>Snyder's directing it
>we're still getting Snyder's versions of the characters - his 'vision'
>Steppenwolf, fucking STEPPENWOLF is the main villain and not something like Starro the Conqueror or the White Martians
>Cyborg instead of MM (though admittedly they COULD make it work but I doubt it)
>no GL
>Superman still dead, probably won't even be in the majority of the movie
>Ezra Miller as the Flash
>all that shitty lore, with the Amazons being 30,000 years old, them, the Atlanteans, and human beings fighting off Darkseid
>Mother Boxes as MacGuffins
And beyond that, you have the rest of the DCEU. Thing is, Snyder had the keys up until now, so just about everything is going to have his hand in it. He's already established the tone of the universe. WW is 5,000 years old because of him. The Flash might suck. WW probably won't be very good but I'm intrigued.
I've been very cautiously optimistic but honestly I feel like I have no real reason to be. For all I know, WW may suck, James Wan's Aquaman might suck (though I have hope for that one), The Flash might suck, etc.
>>84362462
A Batman movie made before BvS would've done that movie so much wonders by itself. A WW movie as well. Both could establish their versions of Batman and WW, show Batman as someone who's been going off the deep end for the past few years, show more of his backstory, establish his relationship with the Joker. With WW it could show her origin, her disillusionment with humanity, show her villains, establish HER character (which god knows is what the audience needs considering WW is still not as big of a superhero as either Superman or Batman). With that in mind, we could go into BvS with more clear audience expectations. Rewriting the shit out of BvS itself wouldn't hurt either.
>>84362215
it's fine
she's fine
everything's fine
This is what we get for encouraging him after 300
>>84362462
imagine an Affleck-directed Batman movie made solely to satisfy a contract he signed because he needed to pay for his divorce and written by a man obsessed with cereal
now imagine that for some reason that would be any better because it released before different movie featuring the same characters by Zack Snyder instead of afterward
>>84362800
300 wasn't even all that good really. Just kind of memorable and at the time, something kind of new and hype.
>>84362293
An unborn fetus could understand this movie, retard. This was a bad movie.
>>84362088
I want to see the milk crate Snyder's standing on.
>>84362347
Oh, you're a troll. Nevermind then.
>>84361971
>Not sure how to feel about it
That means you know its bad but don't want to admit it.
I knew that feeling after I finished Man of Steel.
>>84362153
That's his own subtle way of saying "fuck you" to zack.
>>84362618
Unless JL manages to be some masterpiece that actually does well with audiences and crosses the billion mark, which is unlikely given how BvS not only tainted the brand but it already had the trinity in it, the sole silver lining about all of this is Snyder is probably gone after this movie.
WB was basically felt forced to keep him on board. It's probably a really dumb move for the long term, but they just didn't want to admit the movie was shit by firing the him and his wife.
And look at it this way, at least if its just Steppenwolf, he'll be ruining a character that doesn't really matter instead of Darkseid.
>>84362618
I am genuinely hoping Suicide Squad fails so WB just cans all their DC plans and does a universe reboot in five years.
>>84363063
Oh yeah synder is never going to work on anything big again
>>84362242
It's sad
>>84363115
I'm sure he'll do more sucker punch type stuff, but I really doubt he'll get to direct another DC property.
>>84362044
Nobody is saying that Snyder isn't really good at visuals. He is. He really fucking is. But holy shit, someone needs to die for that script. Someone needs to fucking die. Someone needs to be marched out onto Time's Square in manacles, confess to the world for their high crimes and treason, and be stoned to death.
>>84363163
I do hope for more sucker punch type despite its flaws I liked it unlike watchmen, man of steel and bvs
>>84363101
Me too, anon. Me too.
>>84362293
We all understand the movie it's just a shitty movie
>>84362014
>>they got the worst possible person to jump start the DCEU
They didn't get Brett Ratner
>>84362305
>All I wanted was something that could match the DCAU on the big screen
>>84363063
All good points, my friend.
>>84363101
I hope so too but I also fear that they'll be stupid and won't see the money in a shared cinematic universe or think it failed because "DC heroes are boring," or something stupid like that.
I honestly still can't believe they "killed" Superman in the second movie in the universe.
Like where do you even go from there in the rest of the franchise? Killing Wondy? Batman? Everybody knows it would just be setup for Batman R.I.P.
>Decide to pay up to stream BvS finally to see how I really feel about it
>Comcast only offers digital ownership
I just wanted to pay six bucks to watch on my nicer TV. Fuck you, cable.
>>84363063
>WB was basically felt forced to keep him on board
He and Deborah Snyder funded the development of these movies - including the three that are filming/ in post and the I think four or five announced after that, which also includes the Batman movie Affleck and Johns are working on.
They don't "feel forced" to keep him on board; they've got a contract with him. If they want out, they need to buy him out, and because his shitty movies aren't actually making small amounts of money, that's not going to be cheap. The budgets he's been given to play with have made the movies less profitable than envisioned, but that's the studio's fault, not his.
>>84363101
It's really very unlikely. You'd be looking at the failure of Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman, Justice League and whatever else already finished filming by then. They'd all need to make Green Lantern look profitable by comparison before he'd be gone and the studio would reboot, and on a failure of that magnitude the Time Warner board would probably embargo any future superhero shit. Warner Bros. has got other things to do.
>>84363840
>It's really very unlikely. You'd be looking at the failure of Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman, Justice League and whatever else already finished filming by then. They'd all need to make Green Lantern look profitable by comparison before he'd be gone and the studio would reboot, and on a failure of that magnitude the Time Warner board would probably embargo any future superhero shit. Warner Bros. has got other things to do.
Not him but then I really do hope that all the solo movies they're making really do turn out to be good then, and that after Snyder's gone, they turn things around and start making better movies.
>>84362778
NO IT'S NOT FINE
YOU SUCKED AS LOIS LANE
SNYDER SUCKS
GODDAMMIT
>>84361971
I'm not going to bother reading this thread because I'm ninety-nine percent sure it's just /tv/ spreading a bunch of kino memes and huffing their own farts again but OP you already got a good Batman/Superman movie back in the 90s. Just because it wasn't live action doesn't mean you should dismiss it.
I still cant get over Steppenwolf and the Mother Box macguffin. I feel like they'll just cocktease the fuck out of him like Thanos to annoying levels, and I hate the fact that the Boxes are more scavenger hunt bullshit given more importance than normal. Not to mention Clark revived in the 3rd act, basically wasting most of his potential for being the JL leader. Still cant believe we're two movies in and hes already dead
>>84365114
I feel like we should stream DCAU's Worlds Finest sometime
>>84363227
Not really, his cinematography is film-school tier.
He can't just make the shots flow fluidly, and he must go out of his way, make everyone act out of character, or even just jump into a literally made up scene to make pretty shots.
This is the result of putting in charge of a movie a guy who's specialized in making music videos.
>>84365148
I miss /co/ streams. Apparently they're not allowed anymore? They were comfy as fuck.
I remember when an Anon streamed Coraline and Up a couple of years ago, I think. Great times.
>>84361971
I went to see it at IMAX and it was exactly what I was expecting considering all 4 stories it's based on. As much as I liked the nolan batman movies watching batflec being older return of batman style yet still go full arkham city on that group of thugs was epic. You don't see bats fight like that in the nolan movies.
I was even surprised they did the withered supes after getting nuked itself adds alot of questions in both the comic and movie.
The only things I don't like is lois, she just doesn't feel right and would of been dead doing stupid shit long before she ever met him. And having a short 90 lbs skeleton play a nearly 6 foot tall, god like strong amazon like Wonder Woman.
Everyone bitches about jessie being lex and honestly I don't care as lex is a pretty dumb character and they're never going to being the epic lex stories to the screen. Most likely going to put him in a big ass green suit, steal 40 cakes and get beaten and die from some self inflicted shenanigans.
I've watched BvS 4 times so far and I still like it. It's not perfect and I have my gripes and it's not """"""kino"""""" but it's entertaining and I adore how Clark Kent was portrayed in the Ultimate Cut.
>>84365343
Im honestly getting tired of the damsel Lois thing. Yeah yeah I get it, but by the time she was drowning getting the spear I was like "fucking really, AGAIN!?"
>>84362128
>Nothing has gone wrong.
Have you seen the past superman movies?
>Superman's a murderer
Have you read the comics, people die all the time good and bad
>Batman's a murderer
Jesus christ you can't be suprised about that, he's old madbat he's going to kill everyone
>The shittiest live-action Lex so far
Lex is a shitty character
>all that shitty casting
Look what they blew their budget on
>rushing into things instead of taking the time to establish characters first with their own solo movies and letting relationships and plotlines develop naturally
That doesn't work for the stories they have mashed together. So they have alternate DC universes already going
>shitty gritty, realistic tone so far
2 of the 4 stories this movie is based on is gritty realistic Frank Miller
>Superman already dead after BvS
And he'll be back and then bats will die and be back, etc etc.
>>84362012
Casuals did. They wanted to see Batman fuck Superman right in his asshole.
And Snyder delivered.
>>84365350
I don't go on /tv/ the fuck is kino?
>>84362290
>Superman kills the African warlord
No he doesn't.
>>84362290
Did you compare lex to the joker and riddler???
>>84365446
A critical pillar of their "we're smarter than everyone else as evidenced by us using german terms" meme.
>>84365504
As so /tv/ being shitty /tv/ right nothing's changed.
>>84362239
snyder get the hell out here
>>84365494
Not him but to be fair, this Lex acted more like the Riddler than.....well Lex Luthor
>Leaves little notes/clues that can easily be traced back to him because he wants people to know his genius
>Mannerisms and smugness are more akin to Riddlers personality
>Deemed insane and is going to Arkham
>>84365415
>Have you seen the past superman movies?
Um yeah, the first two are still two of the best superhero movies ever made and we'd never had gotten superhero movies as they are now if it weren't for the Donner movies, bro. Not even sure how that's relevant to what I had said.
>Have you read the comics, people die all the time good and bad
"People dying" =/= "Superman killing"
>Jesus christ you can't be suprised about that, he's old madbat he's going to kill everyone
Even in TDKR, Batman didn't kill.
>Lex is a shitty character
Lex is one of the most complex, compelling villains in capeshit.
>Look what they blew their budget on
Like what?
>That doesn't work for the stories they have mashed together. So they have alternate DC universes already going
Mashing together so many stories in the first place was a mistake. And I don't see how those are mutually exclusive anyway.
>2 of the 4 stories this movie is based on is gritty realistic Frank Miller
Did I want gritty realism in my Superman movie?
>And he'll be back and then bats will die and be back, etc etc.
"It's a good thing that the threat of death is cheapened"
>>84363227
He isn't even good at that. The lighting in his shots are to dark making them look muddy. Also, he doesn't know how to hold on to a shot so you don't really get to take in anything not to mention he crams a lot in one frame just like George Lucas. Every special effect shot he has ever done like incredibly fake. I really don't get how people like his stuff.
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Ultimate Cut is a top 5 comic book movie.
>>84361971
Justice League will also be shit but hopefully they'll fire Snyder for Justice League 2 and you'll be alive to witness a DC movie that can actually compete with Marvel.
>>84365680
But Marvel movies are awful too, just in a different way.
>>84365604
Still holding out that maybe this Lex Luthor turns out to be Edward Nigma or something and the real Lex has been kidnapped or something to that degree.
Eisenberg would've been a great Riddler though. Would've been a great Jimmy Olsen maybe too.
Well on the bright side, Clarks return could mean the creation of The Fortress of Solitude. Because its not like he can go home or back to work now
So why couldn't they get Dubsman to come back and play Batman again? They had a perfectly okay point to bring in the Batman who defeated Joker and Bane in the same way it worked in Dark Knight Returns, but they decided to invent Batfleck from scratch.
>>84365636
>Every special effect shot he has ever done like incredibly fake
Say it ain't so....
>>84365609
>Um yeah, the first two are still two of the best superhero movies ever made and we'd never had gotten superhero movies as they are now if it weren't for the Donner movies, bro. Not even sure how that's relevant to what I had said.
The first 2 superman movies? The ones with Reeves, Brando, Hackman AND Kidder? Are you out of your goddamn mind?
>"People dying" =/= "Superman killing"
Supes has killed and has shown the potential to kill countless times. Don't cut yourself on that edge
>Even in TDKR, Batman didn't kill.
Read it again bruh
>Lex is one of the most complex, compelling villains in capeshit.
That's the joker but nice try.
>Like what?
DOOMSDAY and Aflac's pay and the budget going down the drain like synder does so often, i'd be surprised if he didn't burn money in big piles on set
>Mashing together so many stories in the first place was a mistake. And I don't see how those are mutually exclusive anyway.
It works the stories on their own aren't good enough to keep people watching, look at the watchmen, the story didn't age well at all.
>Did I want gritty realism in my Superman movie?
You don't?!? Because Joel Schumacher did that and look what we got. "WHAT KILLED THE DINOSAURS? THE ICE AGE!"
>"It's a good thing that the threat of death is cheapened"
It's like watching star trek with comics, people die like 3-4 times just for the sake of it. Even in the original death of superman he comes back.
>>84365779
Because he was a terrible fucking Batman.
>>84365779
Because Bale was a shit Batman in a overrated film franchise. The best one was Begins and the universe wouldnt mesh well with other DC characters
>>84365636
Name one movie where the CGI doesn't look super mega fake, even Pacific Rim, Godzilla 2014, Even The dark knight rises, the batwing looked like shit.
>>84365779
The reason people liked him is there was so little of batman in the first 2 movies, in DKR, you see bats all the time and it gets boring as fuck.
>>84365890
Not if you change the DC characters to match him.
Like they're doing. Poorly.
>>84365915
Actually TDKR had arguably the least amount of Batman screentime.....
>>84362128
marvelchiil plz go
bvs was kino and u know it
>>84365941
Right because Superman fits in a universe where Bane's venom is apparently too outlandish to be a thing.
>>84362044
I get what Snyder's doing and as always, his visuals are amazing. I just am not on board with her interpretation of the DCEU. And no, I'm not talking about wanting Marvel quips in the DCEU. But, I'm just not excited for Justice League at all and I don't agree with Snyder's reasoning for why he has certain things happen in the DCEU such as Superman's death to win people over, or Batman killing people, or Superman's death spurring on Batman to create the Justice League.
I feel like having Superman dying winning people over is almost akin to the teenage suicide fantasy of "when I'm gone, then they'll realize how great I was and how they should've treated me better". I think it would've been better for Superman to win over the general public by just continuing to do good deeds until people just get used to his presence and his benevolence. Batman killing criminals... how does he come back from that, CAN he come back from that? In "Under the Red Hood", Batman says that he doesn't kill criminals because "it'd be too damn easy". Once he starts killing petty thugs, what reasoning does he have for not killing the Joker, a man who's got hundreds, if not thousands of deaths on his hands?
We're going to have a Justice League movie where half of the League hasn't even been introduced except for the JL clip show in the middle of BvS. Say what you will about the MCU, but each Avenger except for Black Widow and Hawkeye (the minor ones) having their own solo films before the big teamup means I really got a sense for their character's personality and motivations and their history. And each individual movie got me pumped for the Avengers as I was excited to see how each hero would react to the other. As of right now, I don't give a shit about Aquaman, Cyborg, or the DCEU Flash.
And while I understood Eisenberg's portrayal of Lex Luthor, I hated his interpretation of him. To me, the best Lex is the one from "Lex Luthor: Man of Steel".
>>84365962
Actually this Superman kind of does. The entire point is that people hate or revere him and he changes absolutely fucking everything just by being a spaceman that exists.
So yes, if he showed up in a NolanBats world where things like venom are too outlandish, he would also be feared and revered and all that same "muh realizum" bullshit Snyder's doing.
>>84365890
Fuck off, the Dark Knight trilogy was great.
>>84363101
as it stands (with the feeling/return of bvs) suicide squad is on the fence. 50/50 that it might do 'well' or flat out flop. if that's the case then not a lot of money will go into promoting wonderwoman and jl.
wonderwoman can probably play the misogyny card if it doesn't do well.
>>84365052
Just remebering that in the comic this picture was taken from both Superman and Batman murdered people. Batman even used a gun for it.
>>84366006
Too many people like it now so it's gotta be shit.
>>84365636
This picture seems goofy, the ice would never provide enough traction for someone to pull a ship from unless their feet were actually frozen to it, still what is he even doing pulling a seemingly derelict ship? And couldn't he hold it over his head and just fly with it?
>>84362293
jeez, how much more butthurt can you get? i'll go to the pharmacy for some arsenic if i were you
>>84366005
It still wouldnt be a good fit imo
>>84366006
More like started strong and rapidly lost steam. Bales Batman is a fucking parody
>>84365609
Superman killed in the Richard Donner movies and Lex was in those movies was even worse.
I don't see how anyone can complain about Jesse's Lex and in the same breath praise Gene's Lex.
>>84366061
>It still wouldnt be a good fit imo
And as I said, you're forgetting that WB is willing to file off the edges of any characters to get them to fit into the Batman shaped hole they're convinced is their only route to success.
>>84366016
Stop pretending like you're some box office expert. You can't even properly format a sentence.
>>84366002
I also disagree with Snyder's reasoning for why he wanted to kill off Superman in regards to Justice League formation. He thinks that if Superman were to approach you about joining the League, anyone would automatically say "yes", so he wanted to get rid of Clark to have a more challenging League formation with Bruce and Diana. But there's still plenty of ways to make Clark trying to convince people to join challenging. Maybe Barry and Victor just want a quiet life that doesn't involve fighting 10ft tall abominations, maybe Arthur doesn't give a shit about the surface world and a fucking alien from an extinct species sure isn't going to convince him.
And Snyder doesn't have a good track record with making movies people like, and the ones that are considered good are typically the ones that are three hours or more in length in the form of "Watchmen" and the ultimate cut of "BvS". The JL movie sounds bloated as fuck with Bruce and Diana having to journey the world to convince the Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman to join them. Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman also have to be reintroduced. Then you've got to have Superman's resurrection as well as establishing the main villain and setting up for the next villain.
And unlike BvS, where Warner Bros. can play off the movie not making $1 billion, JL needs to make $1 billion. If it doesn't, I'm afraid that we may be seeing a reduction in the DCEU's slate in the future.
I really, really, think that WB put their faith in the wrong director with Snyder helming the three biggest movies in the DCEU that were supposed to establish the cinematic universe.
>>84365903
I'm not saying that there has been a movie with CGI that has looked perfect. However, there's good CGI and bad CGI. Zack Snyder films have very cartoony CGI and heavily rely on green screen. They're comparable to the Spy Kid films with better CGI. Godzilla at least mixed both real environments and realistic lighting to make it look passable.
Neither Batman nor Superman are in this film.
>>84366261
I bet you've never picked up a comic in your life.
>>84362778
She and Henry have zero chemistry.
>>84366331
That's the biggest bummer, you don't feel anything.
>>84366309
Bet you haven't either
>>84366261
>not muh specific version of the characters i grew up with
is the whole "death of superman" and superman is a badguy thing something that happens in the regular DCU timeline? I've only been reading comics for under a year so I don't know much about universes
>>84366962
Death of Superman was a storyline in the 90's.
Superman being a bad guy is an Elseworlds kind of thing that pops up from time to time in various alternate continuities. It's often something writers like to ponder about. "What if Superman went bad and took over the world!?"
You're referring to the Knightmare segment of BvS, right?
>>84367008
yeah I've just seen some videos of DC fans talking about how the death of superman is setting up "injustice" or something of that order.
What is Knightmare though, the Omega symbol stuff and the flashforwards? What i've heard is that those are Evil superman much like what you were talking about
>>84367041
>What is Knightmare though, the Omega symbol stuff and the flashforwards? What i've heard is that those are Evil superman much like what you were talking about
The Knightmare sequence was kind of a flash forward/dream sequence of Batman having a vision of an Earth where Darkseid presumably took over with Superman as his enforcer or something like that. It's not entirely clear but you can get the gist of it. The Omega symbol is Darkseid's. It's become his symbol since he's always been associated with the Omega symbol for awhile now. He holds the Omega Effect within him and uses such powers as the Omega Beams or the Omega Sanction.
>>84366213
I was actually watching some /a/ stuff and I think the problem iwth Snyder's CGI now that I look back on it is the lack of weight. Like with the Clark vs Zod fight he does those shockwave things but the characters are only getting flung back like a couple feet so it's counter productive. Buildings shatter under them, but they don't bounce or recoil themselves at all.
And yeah SOME of that can be attributed to invulnerability or something but hits end up losing the impact. And that's not even getting into him not knowing how to apply battle damage properly.
>>84367078
alrighty thanks for explaining that, I'll have to start reading superman comics soon. I've been only doing the most popular batman stories so far
>>84367092
What have you been reading? I can read some essential reading for Superman and/or the Fourth World.
>>84366678
I buy comics weekly.
>>84367109
Jack Kirby's New Gods, Mr. Miracle, Forever People, Hunger Dogs.
Simonson Orion
Doesn't really matter though, cause they aren't going to go beyond Darkseid and barely touch on New Gods lore in the movies.
>>84363840
>He and Deborah Snyder funded
The formed a production company which is charging an overhead for every film coming out so far, even if his role and her role (as the talented commercial pitchwoman that she was) has been to provide notes or cast people before directors/producers who normally do that on movies got the option to do so, etc. The movies are being funded in half by Legendary (as far as production costs) with the other half by WB, which is picking up marketing and other costs (which get off-set, as does production costs) by the in-kind sponsorship/promotions/cash (e.g. the Turkish Air money, etc.). Learn something about shit before you talk out of your ass.
They have no money to fund toilet paper.
>>84367543
Legendary and WB aren't partners anymore, Legendary is producing their own movies now.
I was bored at work and added black panther's white lenses to batfleck on ms paint.
>>84367702
That lookspretty good, actually
Anti-Life justifies my cruelty.
>>84362128
>Lets kill Jimmy Olsen for no reason.
>>84361971
>>Lived long enough to witness the first ever Superman/Batman movie
>Lived long enough
Honestly this should have been a thing before you were even born. WB is incompetent as fuck
>>84367885
>Let's make Jimmy Olsen into a fucking CIA agent
>>84368167
For what reason?
>>84368167
I want to see Warner go full-retard and do a Jimmy Olsen CIA action movie. Get Paul Greengrass or Tony Gilroy to direct it, make it as depressing and cynical as humanly possible.
Maybe they can buy that Aunt May spy movie script from Sony and just replace the names.
>>84365494
Man Of Steel is the ultimate Martian Manhunter origin movie, and Jessie Luthor is a decent Two-Face.
But they are TERRIBLE Superman products.
>>84368306
Don't give them ideas, anon!
>>84368335
> and Jessie Luthor is a decent Two-Face.
He would be a great Luthor for a Joel Schumacher Superman movie.
In the nightmare universe where that happened.
>>84365859
Superman didn't come back in Death Of Superman, he came back in a totally different series.
At the time, capes dying and coming back wasn't a constant thing. If they didn't come back by the end of the story arc, they were basically gone for good.
But this cheapened that immensely.
>>84365655
1) Captain America: The First Avenger
2) Batman: Mask Of The Phantasm
3) Batman Returns
4) Spider-man
5) Captain America: The Winter Soldier
6) Superman
7) Deadpool
8) Spider-man 2
9) Guardians Of The Galaxy
10) BladeFeel free to disagree so long as Snyder shit isn't on the list.
Im just excited for the soft reeboot
>>84368416
Wait. Like an idiot, I forgot Hellboy and Tin-tin. I was just thinking of cape movies.
Put Tin-tin at #3, Hellboy as #5.
>>84362017
....
I just realized it's entirely possible that they'll do a Watchmen tie-in with DC as it is now.
>>84368438
Has a soft reboot ever worked in cinema? I think it's probably the best way to go when Snyder's gone.
>>84368306
That honestly sounds like something Kirby would have done. But more bombastic.
>>84368468
Yeah. The Incredible Hulk.
>>84368468
>Has a soft reboot ever worked in cinema?
Does the American Godzilla movies count? Because that's the only example I can think of.
I mean, Amazing Spider-man was far better than Spider-man 3, but then ASM2 was far worse.
>>84362128
>I'm a pleb
There, you didn't have to write that much.
>>84368493
Oh duh. That's a good answer.
>>84368504
>Does the American Godzilla movies count? Because that's the only example I can think of.
Do they? I thought Legendary Godzilla was a straight up reboot. Pretty sure the Tri-Star Godzilla is no longer in continuity.
Also wouldn't the James Bond movies count up until Casino Royale? Each new Bond was basically a soft reboot/reset right?
>>84368537
>Each new Bond was basically a soft reboot/reset right?
No. They were all the same Bond until Craig. Much later Bond films would even mention Tracy's death just as a slight confirmation.
>inb4 that doesn't make any sense
It was the 60's, no one gave a fuck about continuity making sense. But that doesn't change the fact that it was all the same character.
>>84368468
GI Joe Retaliation, sort of
>>84368568
>No. They were all the same Bond until Craig. Much later Bond films would even mention Tracy's death just as a slight confirmation.
>It was the 60's, no one gave a fuck about continuity making sense. But that doesn't change the fact that it was all the same character.
I'm not a big Bond fan, but I thought that it was much more ambiguous than that. I thought there were multiple theories about multiple Bonds or something.
>>84367109
>>84367170
thank you!
Like I said I've only been doing batman reading, so far i've done: year one, dark knight returns, long holloween/darkvictory, the man who laughs, the killing joke, arkham asylum serious house, and most recently a death in the family
>>84362014
man of steel was decent. BvS was a disaster tought
I haven't seen it because the trailer made it look fucking horrendous, either way I assume they tried to focus equally on Bats and Supes? If so, do you think it would have been better if they did it right and focused mostly on Batman as a movie that proves an intelligent and rich man with no super powers can beat the god of superpowers. I always thought the conflict between Batman and Superman was that Superman's potential arrogance and hostility will always be kept in check by Batman.
>>84368636
> I thought there were multiple theories about multiple Bonds or something.
They have about as much validity as the Pokemon coma theory. It's people trying to glue some kind of hard-line continuity and logic to a series that never gave a shit about that.
It was the same Bond from Dr No to Die Another Day. Craig started his own continuity after that. They kep the previous M from the Brosnan movie, but that's just because they liked Judi Dench so much. It didn't mean it was the same universe.
>>84368537
Iguana Godzilla itself was kept, under a different name. Its now a Godzilla villain who is related to him.
I think it attacking New York is canon too, so its basically a case of mistaken identity when they call it Godzilla.
But canon like the IDW comics are canon to Beast Wars. Same characters, same conflict, sifferent outcome.
>>84368568
>>84368703
I don't think you quite understand what 'soft reboot' means.
The Incredible Hulk was supposed to be the same character from the Hulk movie, but obviously, you know, without all the dumb bits of the Hulk movie. Soft reboot is a good term for what happens between Bond actors, though the closest that the other elements present in soft reboots happened was when Brosnan first came on.
>>84368735
Except "soft-reboot" implies a kind of re-introduction of the characters in the story to set up the new state of the world, and the only pre-Craig Bond film that ever did anything like that with its new lead actor was Goldeneye.
And there's that one joke in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, I guess. But it's a dumb one-liner.
>The Incredible Hulk was supposed to be the same character from the Hulk movie, but obviously, you know, without all the dumb bits of the Hulk movie
Not true. No version of that Bana Hulk film ever happened in the Norton film, they just kept the "Banner living in the jungle" bit because it was a vestigial part of an earlier screenplay draft.
>>84362160
>>84362293
>>84363840
>>84365655
>>84361971
I thought Superman had the best character arc we got so far and its far from over, he actually gets 3 movies to get fully developed and you can even see it from different points of view.
Man of Steel was great in that it did start with a world without the exepcional, well there is the exceptional but most people don't know about it, for a greater part of manking its a world just like ours. It was obvious the appearance of the first known alien would have a great impact to the world, Pa Kent knew this, he didn't know how strong Clark really was but knew what they could/would do to him because he is the first known alien, answering one of the most significant questions that we are not alone in the universe, yet Clark himself in Pa Kents eyes was a simple kid. Pa Kent knew if they ever found out who he is, Clark would never be able to have a normal life, Pa Kent knew it would happen eventually and dreamed Clark would become something great yet he didn't want to push him into anything and wanted to wait till Clark and the world was ready.
Clark deciding to be a hero and save people on a daily basis, wasn't something that suddenly happened when he put on the cape, on his journey to find himself, he was also using his powers to save people, of course he wasn't a saint or a role model but for a "normal" person with such powers, he tried to hold back with what he could do, he always felt disconnected to the world because he know what'll happen if they ever found out who he really was.
>>84369240
Another aspect Throughtout both movies, you see Clark being conflicted about where he belongs, he has different views on Krypton, as the world were his real parents lived, as the world which destroyed itself because of the arrogance of the people, as the world which only brought monsters to earth. During BvS Clark talks to his mother why Pa Kent never left Kansas, he talks about how everything is so complicated, later when Clark remembers what Pa Kent said, Clark realizes it was because of Martha that Pa Kent never left Kansas, the answer was that easy and so it was when Clark says Lois is his world.
Pic related starts Bruces POV on superman. Its no suprise for most people superman is like some kind of Messiah, he is build like a greek god, something truly created in the image of god, he came from heaven and starts saving people, does the impossible when everyone else has given up hope, for Bruce it was different, he saw all the destruction superman could cause, even if superman was doing good, after 20 years in gotham he knew noone stays good forever, ironically he was the best example for this. Bruces character arc was also something I loved as overal the DCEU is more bleak.
Other anons always say if superman only opened up a bit, it would've been different but I doubt this would be the case, in the eyes of the people superman would always be this god-like figure, it would've been even worse if he started to act humble like a biblical, altruistic figure, the statue shows that his actions in peoples eyes would always overshadow his real personality, there is also a practical reason and it is his secret identity, if he really gets close to people, they'll find out eventually, which is why its good that Clark died, now superman can be free.
>>84361971
cape shit.
>>84363227
superman died for the script dumbass
>>84369527
Just a flesh wound.
>>84365655
>a movie concept that is impossible to fuck up
>they manage to fuck it up
Theatrical release is like a 6/10
Ultimate edition is an 8/10
Seriously, watch the director's cut and come back. You'll see BvS's failures were not Snyder's fault. It was the studio for gimping a good film for the sake of length
>>84362239
>Lex
>Competent
HE DIDN'T FUCKING DO ANYTHING
It was an hour and a half of Lex making a joke about pee to Senator Finch, and then blowing everything up for literally no reason.
Meanwhile, any action on his part that could ACTUALLY advance the plot, like LEARNING SUPERMAN'S GODDAMN NAME is done offscreen
So will Lex tell anyone to put a picture of Supes and Clark, the only 2 people dead from the Doomsday incident together and ask if they look alike?
>>84361971
no we had an animated film involving the joker and it was great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F90nxOlsm1s
>>84365052
She's actually a perfect example of "She's a good ____, just not THAT____
Like, In any other movie, in any other universe, Amy Adams as Lois Lane? Fuck yeah, sign me up.
In these movies? Nah.
Same with Jared Leto as the Joker. Awesome casting, shitty everything else.
Or hell, even Henry Cavil, or Ben Affleck, or Jeremy Irons...actually I take that back. Jeremy Irons was great and Alfred was great.
>>84363454
We have that though.
It's calledThe MCU
>>84361971
Honestly. The movie is pretty dumb but it's enjoyable. But the constant threads about the movie and the capekino meme are the worst things to happen to /co/ at the moment, if this keeps on happening, we're going to end up like /tv/, and I'm pretty sure most of us don't want that to happen.
BvS is NOT an art film, it is not controversial to say that, if I wanted to watch an art film, I'd watch Only God Forgives, or El Topo, or Days of Heaven, or Tarkovsky, but not this. It is a poorly made film that was created to do catch up with the MCU, that's why there's all the rushed character cameos to set up their own movies and the shoe-horned plot points that will be present in Justice League. They could have done so much more with this movie, not that it was even completely terrible to begin with, but with the anons who are dedicated to the meme that BvS is the next best thing since the Sistine Chapel, then we're veering closer and closer to becoming more like /tv/.
>>84362088
Of course!
>>84369720
Being a cape movie isn't an excuse to be shit. There are plenty of cape movies that are good and fun.
>>84362892
>>84363327
>90% of the complaints are muh plotholes
>But I understood the movie!
Aright, kiddo.
>>84369240
>>84369376
Good analysis.
>>84368779
I see and accept your point.
>>84367702
>>84367731
That's because that's an old as shit shoop of back when the mugshot of bats first came out, we were all hoping they'd use the mask lens approach, but that never happened.
>>84362014
>everything that could have gone wrong had gone wrong
You have to be 18 to post here
>>84370266
I didn't know there was a shoop. I made it in ms paint.
>>84368642
If you want to read Superman, I suggest:
>All Star Superman
>Geoff Johns' Action Comics run (which includes Up, Up, and Away, Last Son, Superman and the Legion of Super-Heroes)
>Grant Morrison's Action Comics run
>For the Man Who Has Everything
>Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?
>Superman Beyond (part of Final Crisis, which may as well be recommended Superman reading anyway)
>The Multiversity (more like a general DC thing but Superman figures into it too)
>Kingdom Come
>Morrison's JLA run
>>84369620
>You'll see BvS's failures were not Snyder's fault.
Yes they were. Ultimate Edition changes nothing about my fundamental problems with the film
>>84372766
Sounds more like a Snyder fan to me.
>watch Gone Girl and BvS right after
Ben Affleck butt should be a national monument.
>when this is one of the few times when "Am I the only one who liked it" is probably actually applicable to ask
meh.
so I finally watched the movie and it was too much human conflict, prep time and too little super hero stuff. it feels like an extended batman movie, I can't really think of any good thing about this movie. also their luthor was shit.
movie veredict: 2/10.
>inb4 hater, you just don't get it, le meme comment, etc, etc, etc.
I know, I know.
>>84373300
Well at least you actually admit that it was too smart for you to understand.
>>84373310
yeah sure, I guess
>>84368450
MOVIE SYNERGY
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>>84373310
Enlighten the masses as to what they are all too dumb to understand, supmeme being.
>>84373574
The movie.
>>84369745
You can perfectly understand a movie that has a bad script and still think it was a bad script.
I can't imagine why you would think otherwise.
>>84362239
You like the taste of your own cum don't you?
>>84373700
Such a detailed explanation, you sure showed the rest of use your superior intelligence quotient.
Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to enlighten us plebeians.
>>84373700
>The movie
