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>>84358199
I fucking knew it
>Bendis Doom confirmed
why must we suffer such injustices
>>84360460
So Carol is getting yet another relaunch
And Doom is confirmed Infamous Iron Man written by Bendis.
>CAGE! #1 (of 4)
>GENNDY TARTAKOVSKY (W) • GENNDY TARTAKOVSKY (A/C)
>From the Award-Winning creator of Dexter’s Laboratory, Samurai Jack and Hotel Transylvania! On the mean streets of Harlem, shoes are big, shirts are large, bottoms are belled and crime is rampant! But in the heart of the city, the world’s hardest-working, smack-talking, chain-wearing super hero is on the street and on the case! And his rates are reasonable! He’s CAGE! and he’ll save your behind. Dig it!
>>84360477
and you know it's going to go back to Doomquest because that's one of the books he loves, and what does Bendis do but endlessly vamp on the few things he remembers reading
>>84360481
I'm fine with sacrificing Doom to Benis in exchange for based Gennedy Cage
>>84360481
>So Carol is getting yet another relaunch
That's what? Four relaunches in 4-5 years?
at least they've mostly moved away from KSD's bland take on Carolalthough I think a lot of current Carol fans liked her because of KSD
>>84360481
In a sea of relaunch and rebranding darkness, there is the light of quality stories...
>>84360477
>>84360481
And with Doom as Iron Man now, there's no way that his mother isn't Tony's real mother.
>>84360481
CAGE! Sounds awesome, I wonder when are they going to give Spider-Man an A-list creative team
>>84360510
>Captain Marvel 2012
>Captain Marvel 2014
>Captain Marvel Secret Wars tie in (2015)
>Captain Marvel 2016
>Captain Marvel 2017
there's all her Captain Marvel stuff.
So yeah 4 relaunches in 5 years. Probably going to get another by late 2018 at least if they don't push her movie back.
>>84360477
I feel like that book has some potential to it, shame it's Bendis' baby.
>>84360510
"A lot" being a nice way to say "most of".
Ironic, isn't it, that the more bland and boring version of the character is the one to sttra
>>84360481
I've seen some folks getting pissed about Cage
>>84360513
Is Tony of gipsy descent? That would be intersting...on the other hand...Is Marvel going to make them brothers, ain't they? I hope I'm wrong
>>84360510
The KSD thing is weird, even just looking at the fandom. She basically blank slated the character she wanted to write - that was the end of Carol as-was. I don't care about the costume shit, but you burned a lot on that pyre with the costume.
This makes me happy
https://twitter.com/andykhouri/status/751547857589579776
>>84360564
Uhhhhh meant to say "to attract new fans". Posting on mobile.
>>84360565
blaxploitation to be something left in the 70s and 80s, I'm assuming?
>>84360569
>Tony, I am your father
>>84359092
RIP Hot Sinestro, you will be missed
>>84360589
>I "found" Otto
Khouri confirmed for rampant dickgirl fetishist.
>>84360589
Oh fuck yes
for those who don't click: Tom King found Bagenda on DeviantArt, and he is booked for something future.
>>84360481
Cage is really promising. I hope Gendy's storyboarding ability translates well into making a comic.
>>84360605
Jesus Christ storyteller don't jinx that shit.
>>84360600
It was mostly along the lines of
>a white guy shouldn't be writing blaxploitation
>you have Coates why is he only writing BP >that art looks like a racial caricature
>why are only white guys writing black characters
>>84360589
YES
Is he a slow artist?
I think he did all but 2 or so issues of Omega Men so that's pretty normal, I think.
>>84360606
he's gonna rejuvenate himself by bonding with parallax again
>>84360477
>Doomfags btfo
>Cosmicfags btfo
>Tonyfags btfo
Tell me why Bendis isn't the most based writer of this era.
>>84360481
I'll take this to mean I've finally achieved sigil magic.
>>84360627
these neeeeerds
>>84360645
;____;
How is it, is worth checking out
>>84360627
>and he is booked for something future.
nice nice nice nice
also I am glad they found Schmidt, his GA looks sooooo good
>>84360645
Because the book will be shit and dull.
>>84360627
since when does Batman care about borders?
I'm not referring to the late lamented bookstore chain btw
>>84360662
I hope Schmidt does more dc work in the future
His coloring is so good too
>>84360643
yeah but neither EVS or Sandoval will give him the sex appeal he deserves
>>84360645
I am actually glad he's writing Doom, there's going to be so many jimmies rustled
>>84360616
a man of fine taste
So Bendis Doom, Genndy Cage, and new Capt Marvel huh. i'd say one bad, one good, on tbd.
Bendis Doom makes me interested even if it becomes to see angry doomnerds on /co/. and I liked a bit of his Iron Man
>>84360645
>yfw he lurks /co/ and this is his vengeancei dig schadenfreude
On the topic of upcoming stuff, War Mother got a preview today. I'm not reading anything from Valiant but it seems like it might be Your Kind Of Book, OP.
>>84360569
Doom is going to be Tony's father. Screen cap this. It's why he seemed him out post Secret Wars.
>>84360636
>demand more and more black characters
>get mad when white people bring more black characters
These people are impossible to please.
>>84360477
It's a punishment for Doom fans for turning a good villain into a broken mary sue with no consistent motivation.
>>84360655
enjoyable but not as good as ASS
>>84360710
wrong, they're going to be half brothers
>>84360710
This is already causing me stress.
>>84360729
Thank you
>>84360639
Nah, he did 10 issues by himself, 1 fill in and 1 with the help. Also 8 issue sneak peek.
>>84360729
>>84360726
Since it's Maleev, I want to see Hobo Namor again
>>84360481
If CAGE! isn't nomitated for shit at next year's Eisnerharveys, we riot.
>>84360636
They're still on that "the few minority creators in comics should be shackled to characters who look like them" thing then? Give them time I guess. Maybe they'll recognize the problem first when they see the female creators mostly writing "girl books" (Cloonan on Punisher is the biggest exception probably)
>>84360761
>Namor is Jean Reno
>Doom is Gerard Depardieu
>First issue is them getting drunk in an airport and ends with Doom pissing himself
>>84360491
>the few things he remembers reading
He may remember reading them, but he certainly won't bother rereading them to remember what actually happens.
>>84360761
So how are you guys today
I got to see 2/3 of my state's head elected officials make complete fucking assholes of themselves
>>84360710
They're gonna have the same mom, probably.
But yeah I can see Doom hooking up with some Bendis OC and her shitting out Tony.
>>84360761
oh god I hope so
>>84360710
Bendis is gonna do it, and the world will just fucking watch.
>>84360761
Has anything come up vis a vis Namor since Squadron Supreme decapitated him and rekt atlantis?
>>84360761
I love the Rocket Reds so much
>>84360710
>tfw Tony's parents are Black Widow and Doom
>>84360510
That stuff about Carol recruiting new trainees and shit worries me, as someone who mostly cares about her current book for including Alpha Flight characters.
I bet these trainees aren't even going to be teamnamed Beta Flight.
>>84360797
Oh, no, but you can clearly tell that's how he works, like how almost all his shitty ideas about classic lady Avengers goes back to Byrne WCA, because he read that. He's a complete failure at the 'synthesis' part of doing cape comics.
>>84360823
Robinson's bringing/brought him back somehow and says he always meant to
>>84360799
Our state tends to elect circus clowns anyway, OP.
I somehow only just found out about the shooting and decided there was no way I was gonna turn on the TV during this clusterfuck.
>>84360799
I've spent the last hour looking at people complain that we're getting classic Cage back.
Friggen ingrates.
>>84360858
Guy is just so HAPPY in panel four!
>>84360600
The funny thing is, Luke Cage's book wasn't nearly as blaxploitative as I imagined it was.
It's really pretty PG, with minimal hookers and revenge against white property developpers who are secret racists trying to destroy communities they publicly champion.
>>84360858
This is referencing some of that Englehart GLC stuff, right?
Also, the thing with Carol relaunching a-fucking-gain is that it feels like she's bouncing around like a pinball. Planes! Now in space! Interlude for the CAROL CORPS, now space and Alpha Flight, this could work...oh wait the main team writes a story with a ton of dangling threads, someone else comes in, CW2 derails...relaunch!
>>84360887
I saw a video RTed onto my feed last night, clicked, and went "that green neon...I know...fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck"
>>84360898
even if they don't like it, it's an out-of-continuity mini and thus very ignorable
>Cynthia von Doom banged another guy and shat out Tony
>Doom banged a woman and said woman shat out Tony
Which one do you want to happen?
>>84360913
HELL OF A JOB
>>84360799
my black boss and I had a very long and thoughtful discussion about how easily people are getting racebaited nowadays
>>84360898
I can see why people don't like Cage, desu.
>>84360913
>This is referencing some of that Englehart GLC stuff, right?
yep
Kilowog went to the USSR, Guy showed up and caused a scene
>Also, the thing with Carol relaunching a-fucking-gain is that it feels like she's bouncing around like a pinball. Planes! Now in space! Interlude for the CAROL CORPS, now space and Alpha Flight, this could work...oh wait the main team writes a story with a ton of dangling threads, someone else comes in, CW2 derails...relaunch!
How many creative teams has she gone through with these relaunches? KSD, Butters, Gage, now the new writer? Feels like editorial isn't sure what to do and there's no time for anything to settle
>>84360799
Going to watch Finding Dory andNeon Demon.
>>84360991
They'll pick whatever the movie does
>>84360799
>So how are you guys today
conflicted about gay Sulu, Takei's reaction, and the reactions to Takei's reaction
also hungry but my kitchen is a disgusting mess so no cooking but I also don't feel like leaving the house
>>84360991
Right, it feels very jerky and like they're stumbling around, as opposed to making some kind of curve if they want to change direction.
>>84361034
that's one I'm not sticking my foot into
>>84360761
>I want to see Hobo Namor again
Hobo Namor is Best Namor. It's a strong argument in favour of that universe where Red Skull got elected President as Steve Rogers and Nazied up America.
>>84360799
i've been working on actually writing out all the xmen books i want to collect. fun and annoying.news is incredibly stressful lately it's horrible
>>84360783
The 'readers' complaining about not enough X characters by X creators are only really interested in reading about characters that look like themselves, anyway, so why not X by X for X.
>>84361056
I'm actually kinda hopeful, to me the jumping around shows they're looking for something to click and hit big.
>>84361034
It's got some resemblance to choosing to make Khan white (the character).
>>84361056
>give Guy a spanking
>>84360799
>So how are you guys today
Less depressed than yesterday. Woo.
>I got to see 2/3 of my state's head elected officials make complete fucking assholes of themselves
I do not envy you, and your living in the opening front line of The Great Race War.
>all this parent drama
>Cap will never be Helmut's dad
:(
>>84361093
That's the optimistic reading!
I wonder if there isn't some internal frustration/pressure about the whole "We have her lined up for a movie and yet we can't sell this fucking book", you know?
I want the people writing anything below an A-lister to realize that their runs will be truncated and fucked up however possible and to pack it in from the start.
>>84361118
what's even more tragic about it is that Dallas is historically incredibly segregated (South Dallas will depress you) but has made huge progress on the policing front, and then this motherfucker goes and does this.
>>84360761
The Rocket Reds are great. And their propaganda fueled nationalism would be harshly rebuked by post-Soviet Russian Kleptocracy and Krokodil usage
.
>>84361096
In what way?
>>84361093
It doesn't seem like they're willing to let any direction actually take root though. It's not a very good indicator that someone should bother getting invested in the book
So Citizen V has to be showing up in response to HYDRA Cap right?
>>84360654
>>84361155
why can't we have nice things :(
Hey, anyone with a yen for archive digging wanna look up some of the Comixology rankings for recent Captain Marvel from that one anon's threads?
>>84361165
>In what way?
It's done to make things more palatable/progressive for a modern audience, but it's out of step with the original material. Khan having brown skin could be seen as having some negative connotations.
>>84361156
There has to be. or maybe for them she's doing well enough.
People aren't that naive right? you gotta go in with like 6, 12 issue story arcs planned right? cc.Robinson's Scarlet Witch and early Fraction Hawkeye
>>84361165
yeah but that's the climate at marvel now. short runs and multiple volumes
>>84360913
Carol is a really good example of how, if Marvel wants to actually keep your book alive, you aren't allowed to actually tell solid stories.
KSD writes way better than her Captain Marvel output on average. Maybe it was a fluke, but I figure Marvel Editorial wants weird shit from Carol now, and probably even change their mind all the time. Not to mention with the constant events and everything, there's no time, no opportunity, for Carol to have the kind of longterm development she'd need, that she would've and did get in the past, when books were more isolated and longer running.
Carol can't actually become the character Marvel wants in this environment, not when she's getting jerked around constantly. At this rate, eventually Kamala will get the same treatment. She only got to do her own thing at first because they didn't expect her to do well or blow up across the board.
If they thought Nighthawk would be the next big thing, they certainly wouldn't be letting David Walker go balls to the wall with his stuff there.
>>84361156
I feel like violence like this was probably inevitable. If non-violent methods don't produce any results, someone will try violence. That isn't to praise or understand the action.http://i.4cdn.org/co/1468024339508.jpg
>>84360729
>>84360913
I can't not imagine that Guy is using his ring to play that version of God Bless America they play at Yankees home games, and not just singing acapella.
>>84360923
For Tony Stark's parents to be Howard and Maria Stark, and for this "adopted" storyline to be as important to the character as that time he turned out to be Kang's bitch.
>>84361184
> 1. Dark Knight III: The Master Race (2015-) #5
> 2. Injustice: Gods Among Us: Year Five (2015-) #28
> 3. Darth Vader (2015-) #22
> 4. Captain America: Steve Rogers (2016-) #2
> 5. Black Panther (2016-) #3
> 6. Spider-Man (2016-) #5
> 7. Extraordinary X-Men (2015-) #11
> 8. All-New, All-Different Avengers (2015-) #11
> 9. Jupiter's Legacy Vol. 2 #1
> 10. Uncanny X-Men (2016-) #9
> 11. East Of West #27
> 12. Spider-Man/Deadpool (2016-) #6
> 13. Captain Marvel (2016-) #6
>>84361184
>01/16 Captain Marvel #1 - 52,972
>02/16 Captain Marvel #2 - 28,962 (-45.4%)
>03/16 Captain Marvel #3 - 28,469 ( -1.7%)
>Captain Marvel 4 25,156
>Captain Marvel 5 23,812
>>84361296
>it's also a CW2 tie in
gross
>>84361289
I have to say I'm morbidly curious to see what a Bendis-penned Crossing would look like.
>>84361238
Like, if it was me, I'd focus Carol on Earth, give her a solid supporting cast - Jessica Drew out from the gate, and for god's sake they should've been dating forever ago, they had way more chemistry than they ever gave her and Rhodey - you know, the kind of stuff you'd get from 80s material. Denser issues, micro plots within larger plots, largely consistent supporting cast.
But you can't sell that anymore. Not in the relaunch and event driven world.
"Seasons" is an inaccurate way to describe so many of these books, because most shows, even with season cliffhangers, don't change as much as they do from season to season. Nor do they constantly have "world shattering" crossovers with every other show.
>>84361184
Speaking of misused Marvel's
DC really dropped the ball with Billy post Crisis. Roy Thomas did a 4 issue mini and he's briefly in this version of the JL, but that's it
Roy Thomas was supposed to write an ongiong, but for editorial reasons it didn't happen
John Byrne was supposed to do an ongoing, that didn't happen either
>>84360688
Basically just when he can rub it in the nose of a group he doesn't like.
See also: his interactions with the Suicide Squad around this time.
>>84361184
>>84361238
is Nighthawk good?
>>84361325
>Jessica Drew out from the gate, and for god's sake they should've been dating forever ago
kek
>>84361296
thanks
I'd seen the print numbers, but I was curious about the digital rankings because it's all we have to go on, and digital is the inevitable "b-but!" with this sort of book.
>>84361194
>It's done to make things more palatable/progressive for a modern audience, but it's out of step with the original material
I suppose, but it's not like TOS Sulu's notable qualities included being a straight guy and Pegg & co did it as a nod to Takei (although he didn't want it)
Casting Bumblebee Cabbagepatch (or any white guy) as Khan was fucking stupid but I don't think they are equivalent acts
>>84360654
>Batman is more of a trekkie than Spider-man
Just one more reason he'd win in the crossovers.
>>84361330
From what I've seen, Nighthawk is actually really good. It KNOWS it doesn't have long of a shelf life, so it says to hell with the 6 issue decompression format and just lunges for the throat. Tackles current social stuff with regards to police abuse, and Walker is a much defter hand at it than Bendis and Waid, rather obviously.
>>84361330
I only read the first issue but it was pretty interesting. It seemed a lot like the Nighthawk in the original Squadron Supreme. The art is great.
>>84361314
thanks for the added context
>>84361339
Claremont's the one who set up all the damn subtext, not me. Take it up with him.
You can argue he was intentionally writing everyone as just very good friends, but it's a weak argument.
>>84361363
I loved what I saw of the art for the details (Villalobos does Quitely style wrinkles) and the gutsy coloring
>>84361327
>DC really dropped the ball with Billy post Crisis. Roy Thomas did a 4 issue mini and he's briefly in this version of the JL, but that's it
does Power of Shazam not count? I guess that was quite a while after COIE
>>84360858
>Guy Gardner almost starts WWIII
>Batman says fuck it, go into Soviet Airspace
>Somehow they STILL get UN Backing.
If the Avengers did this shit, they thrown under the fucking Jail by Gyrich.
>>84361393
:(
>>84361393
Evan Narcisse had a good writeup on it for io9.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/nighthawk-is-a-superhero-whos-trying-to-fight-racism-he-1782750234
>>84361391
I think Claremont wrote pretty much all his women as bi, yeah.
>>84361250
Black Lives Matter has always seemed like it was going to end in violence somehow, to me.
Either going full lynch mob and getting vigilante justice on cops, or full police suppression of the movement.
Just too many angry people on all sides, y'know.
But then again, I am very white, in a very white area.
>>84360969
What do you got against Luke Cage?
>>84361411
it's still fucking hot and I need to go jogging later
>>84361325
>Seasons
Books should never come in seasons. There's way too much wanting to write for tv that's built into that approach.
>>84361391
I would have been there for LESBIAN SCIENCE MOMS but not so much 'Captain Marvel launches again, with the ship pairing you fans always wanted!'
>>84361400
It was 9 years later
It was great though
>>84361419
Claremont says he just wanted to do subtext and let readers make up their own headcanon
Except Kitty Pride, his vision for her was that she would end up married to Rachel Summers
>>84361455
>>84361411
>>84361455
Where is Nate when you need him?
>>84361462
is there a better term for regular year long story arcs of comics
>>84361430
Black Lives Matter ends in violence whether or not anyone in Black Lives Matter wants it to end in violence or not. They know that.
Dudes could walk out handcuffed and gagged with a protest sign attached to their body and they'd get their heads beat in or gassed for being unruly.
The history of black people enacting vigilante justice in america is thin, and has awfully specific targets when it does come up, much of it VERY deep in the past. Generally very focused.
The history of white people enacting vigilante justice, and LITERALLY lynching people, is...
Well.
Not to get political for too long in the thread, but you're worrying about the wrong people, as evidenced by every part of American history.
Did you know MLK was derided as a shitstirrer who brought violence everywhere and needed to be nicer or some shit if he wanted change? No kidding.
https://twitter.com/Manruss/status/751566020670730240
Quite sad that it's not receiving the praise Future Quest did. A lot of the reviews seem to heavily or at least slightly fall in the category of not like the original.
>>84361391
I think the more appropriate argument is that he wrote almost everything one handed.
>>84361490
not here yet, but soon
>wimp
>>84361512
Future Quest is a more straightforward comic and more of an updated version of the originals. Poor Russell.
>>84361512
http://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/dc-comics/the-flintstones/1
There's a few really low ones dragging down the average
it's a shame, I thought it was great. Hopefully it performs alright
>>84361177
At least partially yeah
>>84360858
>>84361534
INCOMING
>>84361512
It's an ambivalent book with a much more difficult tone, and it's easy to just be cheery and excited about FQ even if it also has the depth thing going on and I'm not trying to privilege SRS BZNS art over adventure.
Stepping aside from politics:
Who the fuck at Marvel thought it was a smart move to give Thor a shirt again?
Then again, these are the dipshits who did those variants with hardly a lick of sexy to them...
Drinking White Russian on the rocks out of a Moscow mule mug while the ol' bwa-ha-ha crew dicks around in the USSR
Hail
>>84361575
clearly they don't give a shit about my money
>>84361573
Max!Fuck you Johns
>>84360858
I'll be here all night, folks
>>84361512
>A lot of the reviews seem to heavily or at least slightly fall in the category of not like the original.
Why would anyone in this day and age want an unironic Leave it to Beaver-esque Flintstones comic? I get not liking the comic as it is, but was the original cartoon really that good?
>>84361573
DAT ASS
>>84361575
Thor with shirt=no fucking buy, ever
>>84361578
I need to go buy vodka
shit, too late for doing that today
>>84361640
>but was the original cartoon really that good?
no it wasn't
>>84361646
They have beefcake artists, they know gay dudes, they have straight women, they have to have seen the fucking movies...
How do they not get it? How do they NOT want to sell that?
Then again, it took how long for DC to truly embrace Dick Grayson being a fan favorite for being sexy as shit?
>>84361646
Great cover.
>>84361640
If they actually did that they'd call DC boring and unimaginative and probably racist for reproducing period ideology. There's a way to bag on the book no matter what angle it takes.
>>84361682
whoever okayed the Solo solo must be making decisions based on demo research unknown to man
>>84361729
the Max faces are just beginning to roll
>>84361640
>Why would anyone in this day and age want an unironic Leave it to Beaver-esque Flintstones comic?
a mix of "muh nostalgia" and "think of the children!" moralizing
remember when somebody was bitching about Scooby Apocalypse and Seeley (I think) informed them that there was not one but two regular Scooby comics that they were also not buying?
>>84361706
How much eye darting did J'onn do when Guy mentioned Oreos?
>There are oreos? Where? WHERE ARE THE OREOS?!
>>84361744
>>84361729
Someone better crop the first panel and spam it in DCAU threads.
>>84361770
>>84361325
The season format might work if books actually went 1-12 with no crossovers and they collected trades in one properly-labeled volume.
>>84361575
Marvel has been listening to SJWs going on about how objectifying is bad for so long they forgot that men don't mind when men are objectified and that a surprising amount of women like them some Beefcake.
>>84361729
One 50 year old dude with multiple copies of his last book sending in letters every month asking when the new Solo book is.
Or maybe those "thousands" or whatever of letters Slott got demanding a Silk solo, which of course, turned out better than her original material.
My best bet is Marvel thinks Deadpool's popularity will leech onto him, and I don't know how fucking dense they have to be to realize it doesn't work that way. Miles' sales consistently go down despite his connection to Peter. Kaine's sales weren't much to brag about either. They've done this a million times and somehow don't learn anything from it.
But hey, then again, Captain Marvel relaunch, new team, the non-stop Inhumans push that doesn't translate to sales... of course they don't learn anything.
They have to understand that their current major audience, the one they've been selling to for years, even before Ultimate was a thing, almost never buy new books, right?
>>84361819
this time next year there's gonna be 4 Captain Marvel vol 1s running around
>>84361706
>If they actually did that they'd call DC boring and unimaginative and probably racist for reproducing period ideology.
Yeah, this is why I'm confused with the "it's not like original!" complaints. Like, bitch, you are aware that original had a lot ofproblematicstuff in it right? The fact that comic gave Wilma a personality outside of "nagging housewife" was enough to make me like the book. Swole Fred was a nice bonus, though.
>>84361838
There are women who like cheesecake too. The idea of censoring everything wholesale has always been dumb as fuck. It's got to be appropriate, got to fit the context, it shouldn't be everything but there's nothing inherently wrong with sexy art.
>>84361838
There were quite a few vocal people who didn't like Dick or people in general being sexualized tho
>>84361682
It's gotta be some bizarre edict or something. like come on marvel
>>84361846
B-but Twitter and Comics Alliance tell me that there's a huge new audience out there just ready to rush out and buy the right Marvel book that appeals to their demographic, if they'd just greenlight it!
>>84361838
No, that's an incredibly stupid theory, especially with how Marvel actually reacts to any criticism of their behavior or publishing.
Everything about them points to "they don't understand sexualization of men at all", see: Greg Land gets assigned fucking Black Bolt cover as "beefcake".
>>84361819
And if they valued trade waiters.
>>84361846
>Or maybe those "thousands" or whatever of letters Slott got demanding a Silk solo, which of course, turned out better than her original material.
Silk is practically the best Spider-Book Marvel is publishing now, which is freaking sad when you remember how Slott wrote her.
>>84361863
Bara Fred and Wilma with her own interests and personality were definite pluses
I really liked Wilma's backstory
>>84361893
Woops, forgot the picture.
>>84361883
And I believe the sales figures proved they were a minority.
>>84361897
I've said this before, but the bird god as record player bit has me chomping at the...bit, lol, because I suspect it'll be the same funny and meaningful all in one
>>84361905
Why does Black Bolt have more hips than the women Land draws
>>84361889
There's absolutely a new audience out there raring to go, but they're not gonna buy their books via comic shop single issues.
And heaven knows they won't pre-order out of Previews or whatever. Hell, I don't fucking pre-order books out of Previews, for god's sake.
>>84361889
The entire LGBT+ community is also clearly willing to throw money at books with LGBT leads if only they existed, Midnighter couldn't have gotten less than tens of thousands of sales otherwise!
I saw somebody complaining the other day about why won't they give Northstar or America a book but Deathstroke can get three relaunches???
>>84361932
I wasn't expecting it to hit the consumer/commercial aspect so hard, and that seems like it'll feed in there to. Or it might just be a one page gag! Either's good.
>>84361932
>This thing is sacred to us and helps give our short and difficult lives meaning! But it's exploitable...oh well, fire it up!
>>84361960
I know exactly who you are talking about and he's got this tic about Deathstroke and is one of those who hasn't looked at the not super but steady numbers Mr. Stroke always pulls.
>>84361434
Hopefully others are reading The Power Man/Iron Fist storytimes. Man it's amazing how awesome Cage & crew were
>Cage took NO Shit, Gave No fucks
>Danny's Kung-Fu insanity is glorious
>Misty & Colleen were Stone Cold Motherfuckers when they shined.
>>84361575
>literally no manmeat
I'm sure Marvel is out to get me at this point
>>84361978
I hope Priest's Deathstroke does okay numbers too
Apparently there's gonna be a Titans crossover a few issues in so I'm wondering if that'll help or hinder it, and wondering how that's gonna work in general since one is double shipping and the other isn't
>>84361954
yeah I saw KSD saying to order the pretty deadly trade from retailers and i was like oh no... i'mma amazon.com preorder
>>84361978
>>84361985
Is the last time we saw Colleen at all in Fearless Defenders, or what?
>>84361960
Well, I'd say the fairer comparison is "if they can give Solo a book, they can fucking give anybody a book, they've got no excuse". If someone at Marvel thinks Solo can actually last as an ongoing in 2016-2017, they are the dumbest motherfuckers alive.
Deathstroke has a fanbase and sells for awhile, even if he keeps getting cancelled.
Solo has...
Erik Larsen?
>>84362007
i still don't know who the hell Solo is.
>>84362007
A Solo book means a Miss America book should be on the table, I agree wholeheartedly. But this dude is more about "It's total bias that Middy is gone and Deathstroke relaunches"
I would love to know for each book whether it was commissioned by Editorial or pitched.
>>84361999
The comics distribution and ordering model is not at all designed to be easy or even good for the lifeblood of comics themselves. Especially in the age of digital and instant streaming.
Who the fuck wants to jump through all these hoops for their purchase to "count" as a sale? I sure fucking don't, and I've been buying forever. I could hardly get upset at new buyers taking a pass on single issues and the clusterfuck of ordering them.
>>84362003
I think so.
>>84362039
He's the guy Harrison Ford played in Star Wars.
I think Marvel got confused when Disney was telling them to do more Solo.
>>84362062
>>84362065
yeah it's a disaster. i never feel like i'm actually helping a book
>>84362081
lol
>>84362062
there no way something like Solo wasn't someone having a weird pitch that got greenlit.
>>84362083
Man Booster really busted the crap out of Brainy's forcefield belt wiring it into his suit.
>>84361883
that was just the typical "your fave is problematic" rhetoric they use in fandom wars these days, it's not people being offended for real
>>84361985
>>84362003
I believe so.
>>84362062
They focus on the wrong things when trying to get angry at the (definitely, totally) broken system.
Deathstroke is known by both casuals and by the hardcore audience, and the hardcore audience is the people that make up those weekly walk ins. If they bought Deathstroke before, they will again.
The trick Marvel and DC has to figure out is how to sell new characters to new readers, but they're chained to a model that even a lot of old readers don't fucking like, not to mention that the events and relaunches are a huge turn off.
Middy could use a relaunch, but only if DC actually fucking knew what they were doing in both marketing and selling him. He's going to flop in the direct market, because your primary audience there is still the core audience.
Marvel is still baffled at how Kamala got popular, but that initial surge of controversy + being an actually solid, and importantly, SELF-CONTAINED book was huge for new readers.
Though Marvel seems steadfast at being totally oblivious to Kamala's incredible digital sales and that being a good indicator of where the "new" audience is.
>>84362115
IDK, Solo's on the Mercs for Money
do we have a writer yet?
>>84362124
It was half that but there were some people taking it REALLY personally and taking it to Seeley as such
>>84361998
>I hope Priest's Deathstroke does okay numbers too
It will. Since Deathstroke relaunch in 2014, it's had remarkably solid sales and outsold Batgirl for a long time. While going bi-monthly might make things weird, if it's somehow managed to be a good seller for DC without too many high profile things attached to it (Deathstroke isn't *that* big a deal; writer/artist weren't too big after Tony S Daniel left and it still had solid sales; almost never heard it be called a "great" series or anything), then I think being one of the bi-monthlies and being a Priest book will keep it alive for a long time.
If fucking Solo gets a book 5 gets ya 10, Silver Sable gets one next.
What? Might as well go full late 80s/90s of everyone getting a book.
>>84361998
>Apparently there's gonna be a Titans crossover a few issues in
Source? Considering both are under Anyone, I can see it.
>>84362190
>>84362221
I want my inevitably doomed Night Thrasher series revival, god dammit.
>>84362225
*Antone
>>84362225
Priest said it in his post about it the other day
it sounds like part of the way they're going to handle double shipping (although I think Deathstroke and both Titans books are single shipping?) is mini crossovers like Orlando is doing with the Batbooks to give the regulars a break so I'm not surprised Mr. Stroke would eventually run into the Titans
>>84362234
>>84362265
in an alternate universe where Ewing is king
>>84362285
now there's a pageturn
>>84362221
Come on, man. Everyone knows Solo's going to last 6 issues, and then die quietly, like half of ANAD's new books.
The only thing that maybe, MAYBE could make it last a smidge longer than that is if the Solo solo coincides with Solo being added to the Agents of SHIELD cast as basically a Fox-free Deadpool.
>>84362285
I really can't wait till Ewing is put in charge of an event just for the hope of leaks about Bendis bitching about having to hew to continuity or someone else's writing in general.
>>84362314
>I really can't wait till Ewing is put in charge of an event
I'm not sure what's more likely, that eventually Ewing gets bigger Marvel books or they'll drive him off first
>>84362303
This calls for desperate measures, Michael- PUNCH HIM IN THE BALLS.
>>84362285
In that universe, Bendis' only connection to Marvel is the angry fan letters he writes in every single day (they are never printed).
Brevoort works for an industrial laminating company. He collects tropical fish, and occasional writes articles about it for a hobby magazine.
>>84362303
>>84362314
You know he'd get out of it by dragging out whatever he's doing so he's too late to have to deal with it
>>84362343
Brevoort forever complaining about the renumbering of a certain kind of tropical fish.
>>84362314
Remember, the event may destroy him. But I don't think so, he's pretty good at integrating mismatching shit and he always has some decency to a character.
>>84362353
Ah, the Professor Xavier's Last Will And Testament gambit.
Man, FUCK that arc.
Marriage to Mystique bullshit.
>>84362353
>>84362353
>The original sin tie-in to X-Men lasted so long, Wolverine died during it
>>84362384
Speaking of that whole general time, did Wasp ever escape from being kidnapped by evil Havok? Did that ever even get mentioned again?
>>84362384
>>84362378
That was such spectacular bullshit you almost have to admire it from a distance. It's petulant!
>>84362384
The way Marvel treat the X-Men right now means they can't have like a Ewing-type-guy on it. Which is a shame, because it would benefit so much from that kind of storytelling. Get back to that big weird family and do decently by lots of characters and mix up the tone.
>>84362416
whoops
>>84362436
I just want Jeff "oh god why do they keep giving me team books" Lemire to leave x men
>>84362452
Guy knows quality crazy when he sees it
>>84362463
My grudge against him is ongoing
>>84362463
Lemire deserves so much better than to keep consistently getting assigned the books he is always the worst at.
"Hey did you read my Animal Man? Green Arrow? Sweet Tooth? My indie stuff? I did pretty okay there!"
"Hey! Sounds great! Wanna write a 10 person team of Avengers?"
"let the pain end, please"
>>84362410
>Speaking of that whole general time, did Wasp ever escape from being kidnapped by evil Havok?
Yes.
>Did that ever even get mentioned again?
Fuck no.
>>84362463
>>84362510
more like Jeff "I can totally write a team book THIS TIME guys, let me try again" Lemire
>>84362521
So she just left, and didn't think to mention "Oh, Alex is still evil, by the way"?
Of course.
>>84362548
Well Tony isn't.
>>84362507
>>84362572
I don't know, he has been pretty chummy with Doctor Doom lately, and he did just kidnap a teenager.
>>84362595
heh heh heh
so, owls, I kind of need to get in my run so I don't pull hair out. But it's Friday night and we have no lives--anyone interested in taking 45 and coming back, or call it a storytime?
>>84362540
Lemire is cursed that whenever he takes a team book, he transforms, unbeknownst to him, into Dan Jurgens.
>>84362653
Jurgens is mediocrity given form tho, Lemire is straight up bad on team books.
>>84362635
Maybe we'll get a new Fantastic 4 with Tony, Tony's dad (Doom), Tony's mom (Black Widow) and IDK the fiery ghost of War Machine or some shit.
>>84362649
I'm cool if you wanna pick up in a bit.
>>84362653
The wereJurgens? LyDanthrope?
>>84362682
His JLU was the definition of forgettable mediocrity for me.
X-Men, not so much.
>>84362685
I'd take Ghost Rider Rhodey.
>>84362653
In order to be Jurgens he would have to draw the cape comics he's writing too. Which I would love to see
>>84362761
Did he draw some of Hawkeye?
>>84360510
>although I think a lot of current Carol fans liked her because of KSD
"current" Carol fans don't like Carol, they like the idea of Carol as presented by KSD and kind of bought by Marvel of her being their Premier Female Super Hero™ (their Wondy for lack of a better term) and they've failed terribly, specially because Marvel's most female focused series have always been the X-teams.
Seriously, I still can't believe they are actually going to try to push a Carol Denvers Captain Marvel movie, she literally has no big notable villains or particularly notable runs that don't heavly steal from Mar-vell.
>>84362649
>anyone interested in taking 45 and coming back, or call it a storytime?
I'll be here. Go get your cardio on. If you wanna dump more when you're back, I don't think anyone will object
>>84362812
I read two issues of KSD's run, because Emma Rios drew them, and in that story it was retconned so that Carol didn't get her powers from Mar-Vell.She get's them from her future self
>>84362812
As one of the five living Mar-Vell fans, I reject your claim that she borrowed from his runs. They didn't exactly do much similiar, outside maybe her original series, which I haven't read yet.
>>84362846
I fucking hate running but it's good for me
:(
>>84362649
Booster a cute
>>84362881
I mean in a straight forward sense.
She steals characters, locations and enemies, not writing styles or even subject matter.
>>84362714
It's still hilarious to me that the team he wrote best in JLU was the LoSH
>>84362649
anyone alive?
>>84363724
yes
>>84363739
well, you're in for a treat
>>84363724
yes but not by choice
i never asked to be born
>>84363783
oh shit yes!
>>84363783
I'm ready
>>84363724
>>84363783
yessssss
>>84363783
One Punch?
>>84363783
I knew that'd bring some cheers
>>84363850
The Gray Man is such an emo kid
>>84363861
Kent's going to be in BB, right?
I hope Khalid doesn't get shelved
I wonder what Abnett's heading to with E2S. Man, so clear that Wilson got fired off that book.
>>84363883
Jerry Springer got me through one miserable winter, lemme tell you.
i wanna talk about the lettering in here but i don't know what to say about it
>>84363883
>Kent's going to be in BB, right?
yep
I think I heard Dr. Fate is ending with 19? Hopefully Khalid doesn't disappear
>I wonder what Abnett's heading to with E2S. Man, so clear that Wilson got fired off that book.
I'm curious too, especially with this talk of resetting stuff
And yeah it sounds like editorial finally pulled their heads out of their asses and realized they'd totally fucked up with Wilson on E2
