http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/captain-marvel-comic-being-relaunched-909345
Ramon Rosanas (Astonishing Ant-Man) on art.
>>84354540
>Ramon Rosanas (Astonishing Ant-Man) on art.
Then what's going to happen to that book?
>>84354540
>The publisher will relaunch the character with a new series in early 2017.
>With a much-buzzed about movie in the works, Marvel Comics heroine Captain Marvel is getting a renewed focus on the publishing side of the company.
>The publisher will relaunch the character with a new series in early 2017 that will be written by Margaret Stohl, a YA author who co-wrote the best-selling book series Beautiful Creatures.
>The comic, to be drawn by Spanish artist Ramon Rosanas (Astonishing Ant-Man), is intended to trampoline the character off from her fictional limelight moment during the still-ongoing mini-series Civil War 2, in which the character gains planet-wide popularity as she squares off against Iron Man.
>At the same time it will spin her to a new level of real world recognition that is likely to occur given the mounting buzz of the movie. Oscar winner Brie Larson is in negotiations to star as the character, whose alter ego is Carol Danvers, for the movie that has a March 2019 release date.
>“It’s fun to be at this moment where you’re getting to introduce the people beyond the comics fans to this powerful woman,” Stohl tells THR.
>The comic will focus on how, via the events of Civil War 2, Captain Marvel has become the most well-known hero in the Marvel Universe, a household name who is realizing that with popularity also comes pain.
>“She will be one of the most popular heroes on the planet—but that’s not something she is very comfortable with,” Stohl explains. “And of course she’s lost a lot of folks that she’s loved so she has to cope with that, too. That being said, she still has a job to do as commander of the Alpha Flight. Her latest mission being recruiting and training new cadets (which will give us some fun supporting cast members). It’ll also bring with it a mysterious danger that will threaten everything Carol has built.”
>>84354540
>Captain Marvel 2012
>Captain Marvel 2014
>Captain Marvel Secret Wars tie in (2015)
>Captain Marvel 2016
>Captain Marvel 2017
jesus christ
>>84354560
Relaunch, what else. Give book to wifebeater?
Kinda sucks since I was actually starting to like the current book.
>>84354573
>Danvers now finds herself in the hands of someone who has never written a comic before but knows a thing or two about female characters. And geek culture.
>Stohl co-wrote with her friend Beautiful Creature, a best-seller which begat a supernatural YA franchise (and a 2013 movie that starred Alden Ehrenreich and Emmy Rossum). Prior to that, she was a video game writer and worked for Activision writing the Spider-Man and Fantastic Four games.
>“I come out of girl nerdom,” says Santa Monica-based Stohl, a mother of three and whose husband builds robots. “I was going to Comic Con long before I came out as a YA author.”
>Stohl made her Marvel publishing debut with Black Widow: Forever Red, a novel featuring the spy-turned-Avenger that came out in 2015. It was something that caught the eye of Marvel editor Sana Amanat, who tried finding something Stohl could work on.
>“This works under (Stohl’s) wheelhouse of telling stories about strong female characters and exploring their inner vulnerabilities, and what they show to the rest of the world,” said Amanat.
>Marvel has launched and relaunched Captain Marvel several times, the last time earlier this year. Stohl says the new book will be different simply because Danvers is different now, too.
>“She can't undo the events of Civil War II, and those events will have changed everything -- most of all Carol herself,” says Stohl. "Captain Marvel has suddenly become a household name -- so what now? While she finds herself at the top of her game, she'll also discover that being there means that game is more dangerous and complicated than ever.”
>>84354577
Welcome to modern Marvel, even their higher selling books are getting renumbered.
>>84354594
with Slott still being the writer?
more interested in where Good Guggenheim ends up
>>84354577
Assuming they don't move her movie again to a later 2019 date, she'll probably get a relaunch in late 2018.
>>84354594
>Give book to wifebeater?
Not happening. Lang's the one they're pushing as Ant-Man. Pym's unlikely to become Ant-Man again.
>>84354573
>the character gains planet-wide popularity
They really believe that by repeating that again and again in the MU, they will make it happen IRL
>>84354577
Inb4
>b-but it's just a number
defenses
>>84354619
>still
???
>Another writing team
How much writers and artists has had Carol since 2012? Four? Five?
Jesus Christ , Brevoort , take a definitive team already
>>84354619
That should require Peter being married. Ever.
>>84354654
Exactly. We're gonna take Scientist Pym and we're gonna love it.When and if Pym returns.Also, we all agreed that Scientist Pym is best Pym, anyway.
>>84354600
Seems like she's still with Alpha Flight so it shouldn't be hugely different. Stohl did fine with her one Carol story so far (the Kamala section of Gwenpool's holiday special).
>>84354639
Back to TV work, probably.
>>84354606
>Danvers now finds herself in the hands of someone who has never written a comic before
Aren't her current writers also not comic book writers?
>>84354688
Going off of >>84354577
KSD wrote for the first three.
>>84354683
oh, my bad.
I keep forgetting that OMD retconned him into girlfriendbeater
>>84354540
>Captain Marvel Volume 10
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>84354718
Butters/Fazekas were newcomers, the Gages aren't.
>>84354707
>Back to TV work, probably.
good for her I guess, better than working for Marvel editorial
Soo let me get this straight, the guys/gals behind Peggy Carter were writing Captain Marvel, sadly the comic was selling at 20k-18k.
Now marvel has decided to change the writing team in hope of getting more sales ?
Is this how it works ?
>>84354540
>Captain Marvel fucking sucks under KSD
>ANAD Captain Marvel ends up being really good and fixes a lot of these problems
I know, let's relaunch it again with a new creative team instead of keeping the one that's somehow done the impossible and made Carol Danvers interesting. Bravo!
>>84354758
>Is this how it works ?
Yes.
I'm confused. The Hollywood Reporter article says the relaunch is happening in 'early 2017' and the CBR article says it's coming in October. I'm assuming that the HR article is accurate since it says "EXCLUSIVE" but still.
>>84354600
>>84354770
Yeah I'm kind of bummed out, I've been enjoying the current run a bunch, especially Anka's art.
Sort of wish they were just changing writers (if anything had to change anything at all) and keeping him on, but oh well.
>>84354690
>When and if Pym returns
What? Pym's already back. Just, y'know, suffering from a bad case of the ULTRON.
>ANAD Captain marvel is one of the best books to come out of ANAD
>cancel it
GOD
DAMN
IT
MARLEL
>>84354770
>ANAD Captain Marvel ends up being really good
"Sucking significantly less than KSD's Captain Marvel" doesn't automatically make a book "good."
>>84354758
I think there's probably not enough information to state that for sure. Considering she is busy being butchered in Marvel's main event it could also have easily been creative choice for them to leave the book and not deal with that shit.
>>84354758
>11/13 Captain Marvel v6 #17 - 18,173 (-20.5%)
--------
>03/14 Captain Marvel v7 #1 - 44,248
>04/14 Captain Marvel v7 #2 - 28,008 (-36.7%)
...
>05/15 Captain Marvel v7 #15 – 19,740 (-35.4%)
-------
>06/15 Cap Marvel & Carol Corps Ltd #1 - 47,302
>08/15 Cap Marvel & Carol Corps Ltd #4 - 22,106 (- 9.0%)
---------------
>01/16 Captain Marvel #1 - 52,972
>02/16 Captain Marvel #2 - 28,962 (-45.4%)
>03/16 Captain Marvel #3 - 28,469 ( -1.7%)
>Captain Marvel 4 25,156
>Captain Marvel 5 23,812
only a movie will make her sell for a few months
>>84354654
Lang has been THE Ant-man since the 70s. Pym abandoned the Ant-man name after only having used it for a couple years.
>>84354758
>Now marvel has decided to change the writing team in hope of getting more sales ?
This isn't the contentious point. Series change their creative teams in search of bigger sales all the time (or, at least, they used to...). The problem here is that, per >>84354577, it's the 4th Captain Marvel relaunch in 5 years.
>>84354812
Until they reveal who is wearing who and whose personality is in charge, Uncanny Avengers will get relaunched.
>>84354837
They're probably hoping killing Tony Stark will give her some buzz. If she ends up leading the main Avengers book as well (can't imagine She-Hulk will let her stick around on A-Force), then that too.
>>84354841
Well she doesn't sell >>84354837 so at this point they're just throwing shit against the wall so see what sticks
>>84354540
So we're all bummed that they're changing the creative team, but how is this Margaret Stohl? I've never read any of her books. Should we expect a decent comic or more KSD shit?
>>84354892
Pair her with Spider-Man. All of them Spiderfags will by book by default.
>>84354795
>>84354831
>>84354841
thanks
>>84354837
I guess i was confusing with the ultimates sales
>>84354841
>it's the 4th Captain Marvel relaunch in 5 years.
Is that actually any different from any of their other books? She had a pre-Marvel NOW book, a Marvel NOW book, a Secret Wars book and then an ANAD book. That's pretty much the case for every notable Marvel character.
>>84354540
At least Alpha Flight are free out of this crap
>>84354573
>“She will be one of the most popular heroes on the planet
she's just so in universe popular
>>84354892
They're not really throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks. They're telling people to like Carol and nobody is listening. It's what they've been doing for the past five years and more.
>>84354955
The mysterious danger is probably Patriarchy.
>>84354946
>Is that actually any different from any of their other books?
That's still not a good thing.
>>84354954
No, she's still commander of Alpha Flight.
>>84354946
not actually.
Cap, Thor, and now Tony have at least been gone for a few relaunches. And most team books have been switching adjectives. Carol might be the one with the most at this point.
>>84354967
>They're telling people to like Carol and nobody is listening.
Make her Ms. Marvel again, force Kamala Khan to pick a new code name and go back to the black suit and we'll talk. Otherwise AH'M KEEPIN' ME DOLLARS
>>84354946
I am new to marvel and started reading with the first marvel now but how well did Captain marvel/Ms marvel book did before MARVEL NOW! ?
>>84354906
Never read any of her books. She has movie based on her book, too. 60 million budget, 60 million and 52k box office.
>>84354946
Compare her to Deadpool, who's Marvel's biggest seller and had only two relaunches. The first one was after the Daniel Way run and the second one was the Marvel Now one were almost every book got relaunched.
Captain Marvel is getting relaunched because Marvel wants her as a flagship character but nobody is buying it.
>>84354540
>right side against Carol is full of men
>>84354573
>she still has a job to do as commander of the Alpha Flight.
JUST
>>84355029
And one is nigger. Left side has one womyn, redneck and old guy with fuckload of privilege.
>>84355026
and that was all before the movie but you have to admit, Daniel Way made deadpool popular with the use of memes.
>>84355029
Left side has a MAGA hat so it evens out.
>>84354540
>Fascist Carol
On board.
Missed opportunity to not use Superior as the adjective thoughto really stick it to Monica fans
>>84355081
BUT also has a jew in a suit, which counter that maga hat
>>84355081
Just looks like a generic trucker hat to me.
>>84355004
Kamale is better than Carol in every way, they should just kill off Carol and stop forcing her.
>>84354573
>>84354606
Sounds generic desu. You will never make Carol a big deal with literally who writers. She needs an A list writer like Bendis or someone that can offer something radical but appealing like Fagtion.
But...I thought Carol WAS a fascist...?
>Still can't beat Kamala in sales
>>84354577
Does "Secret Wars tie in" even count?
>>84355155
Because it is.
>>84355238
They cancelled the 2014 book to make room for it, so I guess so?
So Carol definitely wins the fightand maybe kills Tony, it's only a question whether Ulysses survives.
>>84355367
It was a SW mini, was never intended to continue on. Probably not accurate to count it.
>>84355314
>change the world
Sounds like something an EVIL TYRANT™ would want.
>>84354540
Gonna miss Anka
>>84354967
>They're telling people to like Carol and nobody is listening.
Is this fact, or just opinion around here.
I've never read a Captain Marvel book, but everything I've gleamed from 4chan posts just makes me want to stay away from her. Given that the qualifying word there is "4chan posts" I'm probably getting biased opinions, but is Carol factually not hitting it off with readers? Marvel seems really desperate to push her.
>>84354573
>That being said, she still has a job to do as commander of the Alpha Flight.
>>84355454
Her book sells terribly. Kamala has outsold her from day 1. Its basically a 22K book every month.
Its jarring because nobody else at that sales level gets that many relaunches.
>>84355454
I don't even think she's that bad but the sales numbers speak for themselves. No one buys her floppies, no one buys her trades.
>>84355535
Seems pretty stupid of Marvel to keep trying to sell her then.
>>84355572
She'll have a nice backlog of trades to sell when the movie hits.
>>84355585
That leaves me hoping the movie gets a Thor-level reception at best, Hulk at worst.
>>84355572
They're keeping it around until the movie.
If that flops then they'll kill it and go a new direction. But the launches for GotG and BP were both huge off the backs of the movies, if she can be half as successful it'll be worth it.
>>84355454
>Is this fact, or just opinion around here.
It's really fact. She's had constant book relaunches yet sales of her book always tank. Despite that, she's constantly pushed by Marvel's PR as their biggest felame hero. If you read the comics, there's periodic instances where characters will remark about how amazing Carol is, how she's so inspiring, etc. She's supposedly mega popular in-universe. All in all, Marvel has been trying to push her as their Wonder Woman but readers aren't really buying it. The only people who do are those who are fans of Marvel but don't really read comics and whose exposure to her consists of PR statements and single panel postings from image sites (MCU fans, geek chic fans, etc.)
>>84354758
Butters and Fazekas have actual well-paying writing jobs and can't write comics full time. I think Marvel would have preferred to have them continue if they could have.
What bugs me is that they seem to be going back to the KSD strategy of telling us how famous Carol is in the MU. It's phony and we all know it. She's a minor superhero. Embrace her minorness.
>>84355624
>But the launches for GotG and BP were both huge off the backs of the movies, if she can be half as successful it'll be worth it.
>BP
>because of movie
Stop lying to people.
>>84354540
I'm apprehensive, but the cover gives me hope that she'll stay in character. I just hope the artist keeps her a qt reverse trap instead of her being a generic bombshell again.
>>84355648
It would be weird if she was still a minor superhero after CW2. At least it's not all SUPER INSPIRING OMG and a significant amount of people actually hate her guts now (including #1 Carol Corps member Kamala).
>>84355669
>I just hope the artist keeps her a qt reverse trap instead of her being a generic bombshell again.
Why?
>>84355699
Because it is his fetish, why else would he want it?
>>84355572
They've been actively pushing Carol since 2006, doubly so since the made her captain marvel, to admit that no one gives a shit about her would make them look like fools for all of that wasted time spent trying to make her their flagship female character.
It's been at least 4 years now since anybody remembered the Scarlet Witch is Carol's oldest friend in the superhero community, and I imagine this will continue indefinitely. They'll meet in the MCU before they ever meet in the comics again.
Maybe, and this is a wildcard I'm throwing down here, maybe they should try making good books in order to convince us of how good Carol is.
we're almost at the point where they relaunch with every writer or artist change
what a day that'll be
>>84355790
>Relaunch because of new inker
>>84355774
I thought it was Jessica Drew
or is the Carol Jessica lesbian thing just /co/ being /co/?
>>84355782
the first 5 issues of the new series were actually pretty good in my opinion
>>84355782
But they already did that.
>>84355663
He was a main character in a movie based off of one of Marvels best selling events.
Okay, so, this is annoying. Captain Marvel: Agent of Alpha Flight actually made me like Carol and think she was interesting as a character, and I was hoping to see more on her from that creative team.
People hate that they're pushing her because movies, but the movies really did need an actual female headliner, and Carol probably works better than most. The mindwipe and KSD transition period were shit, but now I actually like her as a main, and I think dismissing her on the back of "well she was never this important before" is dumb.
>>84355648
I hate the "oh, Carol, she's so wonderful and inspiring and perfect" attitude too, but... she's on most of the major super teams, is responsible for Earth's defense against alien invaders, and was at the heart of Secret Wars. I don't think that "embracing her minorness" is really going to cut it.
There's no reason to pretend she isn't famous going forward other than "muh failed push" and "muh status quo".
>>84355367
Well, they cancelled EVERY book to make room for Secret Wars tie-ins. That they didn't continue hers after Secret Wars in favour of a relaunch doesn't mean that her Secret Wars book should count as a relaunch.
>>84355813
No, she struck up a friendship with Wanda before she met Jessica, though she and Jessica definitely had a quasi-lesbian friendship going soon after (because Claremont was writing them both).
>>84354573
>kill tony stark
>becomes the most popular hero on the planet
>>84355813
Jessica and Carol are just friends. Despite what most people think not everything ends in lesbians.
>>84354923
I'm already buying her book, but i can't deny that as a spider-fag, if i were not, i would just because of that crack ship.
>>84354688
This, it's another writing team and ANOTHER direction for Carol. While there's a chance that this team knocks it out of the park and establishes the 'definitive' Carol, usually that takes time, years, and a steady writing team.
>>84355572
They need their Wonder Woman anon.
>>84356015
And marvel only has 1 year to male Carol great before another relaunch
>>84355897
I wish I had the page of her asking Steve if he ever thinks about killing Tony.
>>84354540
>Captain Marvel getting relaunched again
Is it tuesday already?
>>84355910
Everything does end in lesbians when Claremont is your main writer.
>>84356080
I have that too
>>84355367
They did that for literally every book.
>>84355454
Her ANAD book is pretty good. Her Marvel NOW book was bad.
Seems to be a continuation of the Alpha Flight story, just with the added fallout of CW2. Not seeing an entirely new direction here.
The #1 is an attempt to capture an audience that might not give it a chance at #13 or whatever, especially with a fairly high profile author coming onboard.
>>84356112
Do Marvel have no actual comic writers left, that they have to hire unreliable outsiders on their so called big books?
>>84356228
Bendis ended them all so he could write half the major ongoings
>>84356228
DC signed many writers on exclusive so Marvel has to go elsewhere now.
>>84355817
As was the issue by the Gages.
>>84356171
>The #1 is an attempt to capture an audience that might not give it a chance at #13 or whatever,
Its also a chance people jump off.
>>84354540
Why cant they put a man as a writer ?
Isnt Rucka good with females characters ?
>>84356228
well an editor asked on twitter for suggestions so they probably aren't even looking
>it's selling like shit again because no one gives a shit about Carol
>WELP TIME TO RELAUNCH
Marvel just isn't going to give up, are they? They have an agenda and they're going to push it as hard as they fucking can.
>>84356379
Stohl has a big fanbase and has already written Marvel (including a bit of Carol), so it's an obvious choice if they couldn't get Butters&Fazekas back.
>>84356379
He only writes for big two if it's about his waifus. Carol is not pure enough for Rucka.
>>84354540
>Stohl
>Stool
Kek
>>84356432
Was the punisher his waifu ?
>>84356379
This is a title I'd actually like to see Bendis write. He did some decent work with Carol in the '00s and he usually writes her as flawed. I don't think he would coddle her to appeal to an imaginary Carol Corps anyway.
Maybe they'll put him on the book when the movie comes out (and create another Carol book for a woman to write so they won't get yelled at).
>>84356463
He also wrote Elektra in 2004.
>>84356418
The current run has actually been consistently above cancellation lines.
>>84355885
Did every Marvel comic in the '70s involve "break into another hero's house, fight over a misunderstanding?"
>>84356528
It would drop to the usual ~20k if it were immediately getting a crossover tie in
>>84354837
>>84356515
>Carol Corps
Man, feels like years since I've heard about Carol Corps, they fucking disappeared after KSD left the book.
>>84356528
Yeah, it's more "well the Carter writers aren't coming back and we can probably get more of Stohl's fans in if we have a #1 post-CW2."
>>84356551
*weren't getting a tie in
Anyway it's pretty ridiculous that this volume gets only a few issues to itself and a CW2 tie in hogging up some issues.
>>84356463
That was before that rant about the big two. He only came back to write wondie, and renee and Kate before that.
>>84356560
That's because the "Carol Corps" was actually just the KSD Corps and they left when KSD left.
>>84356574
>Anyway it's pretty ridiculous that this volume gets only a few issues to itself and a CW2 tie in hogging up some issues.
welcome to nu-marvel
>>84356541
And then team-up against an antagonist, yes.
>>84356418
Marvel's MO nowdays aside from shoehorned "diversity" is constant relaunches since #1s always sell more and there's always a huge dropoff from 1 to 2. The problem is that this not only devalues #1s, but turns readers off because they don't like seeing shit constantly restarting.
>>84356560
KSD is not my kind of writer, but she did a very clever job publicizing the comic through social media channels. She's a good self-promoter, which you almost have to be to do a comic today. And she was able to create the perception of a fanbase beyond the book's basic sales.
The book has (in my opinion) been better since she left, but the writers have day jobs and don't have time to promote it, so it feels like it's getting less buzz. A lot of comics today seems like it's about making your own publicity.
>>84356112
I know /co/ likes to post that page as a jab at Carol's "celebrity" status, but honestly I just fucking love Puck's "It's... it's for me." while Brand and Carol just stare at him wordlessly. It's hilarious.
>>84356207
She's had at least 4 #1s in the past 4 years. See previous statement re: taking time to do it RIGHT. It's not an entirely new direction, but it sounds like Alpha Flight is taking a back seat - the whole new concept that they introduced specifically for Captain Marvel SIX MONTHS AGO.
>>84356228
They're trying to force a lightning strike. To be fair, when it works, it works wonderfully - Joss Whedon's X-Men, the current Vision miniseries. It just doesn't work often.
imo this constantly changing creatives is good, they're looking for something to pop
>>84356228
The best writers are getting out to do creator-owned stuff while the money is good.
>>84354606
>>Danvers now finds herself in the hands of someone who has never written a comic before but knows a thing or two about female characters. And geek culture.
....oooh that's not good.
>>84356228
>>84356658
>the current Vision miniseries
Tom King had a career in comics before his CIA stuff, he interned with Claremont.
>>84356715
But that was the case with Butters/Fazieka and their arc was solid. This does have me worried though. It's bullshit that KSD, who was horrible with the character, got two full runs to herself whereas Butters/Fazieka got one arc and the Gages got one arc, and now its getting relaunched with neither B/F or the Gages.
Sure, Stohl COULD end up being good. But we KNOW B/F and the Gages are good, and they only got an arc each, whereas Stohl could end up just being another KSD who stays on the book for years despite being shit.
>>84356715
You guys ready for another "character who should be in at least her 30s acting like a quirky 20-something millennial" SoL comic?
>>84356634
>she was able to create the perception of a fanbase beyond the book's basic sales
Kinda pointless if nobody is actually buying the book.
>>84356819
They're TV writers, though, they were never going to stick around long-term.
>>84356824
Carol was a major in the Air Force. She should be well into her 40s.
>>84356824
But we already know it's continuing her command of Alpha Flight.
>>84356854
She became a major at an extremely young age. If I'm remembering right, then her first appearance had her as being in her late 20s or around there. Which would still mean that she should be around her late 30s by now.
>>84356841
It's not pointless for her though, it kept her from being fired off the book and built her name enough that she was able to get attention for her own work.
Whether it helps Marvel's bottom line, I don't know, but the self-promotion probably helped her career. To be a comic writer today you almost have to be an enterpreneur.
>Trying to force popularity
This doesn't work in most things, Marvel. It hasn't been working here either.
>>84356909
The earliest she can enlist is 18. Even if she gets promoted ridiculously early she's still gotta be in her mid to late 20s by the time she's a major. Then another decade of being a cape on top of that? Carol could easily be around 40, 45 now. Just say her powers keep her young physically.
Except as >>84356824 said she's going to act like a fucking 12 year old because that's what grown ass white women do now.
>>84354606
>knows a thing or two about nerd culture
>nerd culture
NOT
LIKE
THIS
H
I
S
>>84356909
>>84356984
In cape comics when you reach adulthood you become immediately a late 20/early 30 person, unless you need to be played as the younger person in a group
Then they will not age ever again
>>84356819
stohl won't be all that good. I read Beautiful Creatures and it was boring as shit.
and apparently the black widow novel she wrote barely had widow in it and instead focused on to random teenaged OC who are in "true wuv" and all that shit.
>>84354540
Props to them for having a black guy on the evil man side I guess.
>>84356984
Well she is half kree thanks to the psyche magnitron, and Kree can live for at least a couple hundred years.
>>84354736
Let's see if we unpack that.
>Vol. 1 Mar-vell: 62 issues
>Vol. 2 Monica: 2 Issues
>Vol. 3 Mar-vell 6 Issues
Vol. 4 Mar-vell 35 issues
Vol. 5 Mar-vell 25 issues
Vol. 6 Mar-vell 6 issues
Vol. 7 Carol 17 issues
Vol. 8 Carol 15 issues
Vol. 9 Carol 9 issues
(I'm not a Captain Marvel reader so if it wasn't Mar-Vell in volumes 4-6 or something, feel free to correct me)
>>84357155
3-5 were Genis, weren't they?
>>84355389
Ulysses dies or gets depowered, no way Bendis let's the macguffin stick around for people to analyze
>>84357155
3-5 were Genis-Vell. 6 was a skrull pretending to be Mar-vell. There was also a 4 issue Captain Marvel mini with Phyla-Vell if memory serves.
>>84356653
You have good opinions, anon.
It helps that that's, like, the only time "oh wow captain marvel how inspiring and amazing" came up in the BnF run, and it doesn't really seem like it'd be out of place with any "established" superhero. You could switch in Spidey or Iron Man or Falcon or Scarlet Witch, and it would fit.
>>84357155
>Monica: 2 issues
being Monica is suffering
>>84354540
They just don't give up
>>84357155
>Vol. 4 Mar-vell 35 issues
>Vol. 5 Mar-vell 25 issues
>Vol. 6 Mar-vell 6 issues
Isn't one of these the Genis-Vell one?
>>84357323
4 and 5 where Genis-Vell by PAD and they where great books
>>84354736
That actually has me thinking, what is the title with the highest volume numbers? I seriously can't think of one that's gotten to Vol 10 other than this.
>>84357155
Did Monica have solo stories somewhere else? Like Team Up or something?i first thought that post was about some crazy story timer
>>84357201
>>84357258
Thanks for the corrections. It might also be useful to look at Carol's popularity in her own Ms. Marvel title.
>Vol. 1 (1977) 23 issues
>Vol. 2 (2006) 50 issues
>>84356854
Carol has worked in so many fields, you shouldn't even bother trying to figure out how she did them all, and still be comparatively young.
>>84357423
Generally, the problem with these comparisons is that the market has changed since then. X-man ran for nearly 80 issues. X-man! Meanwhile, even Marvel's a-list heroes are lucky to hit 20 issues these days before getting relaunched.
>>84357388
Monica was never really a solo character. Her whole thing is that she was a leader-type hero, like Cyclops. She was a member of the Avengers but never really had a solo career.
>>84356680
you gotta let it simmer bruh
>>84357372
The current Punisher volume is at 10, and that's not counting all the Punisher: War Journals and other Punisher spin-offs.
Give me a Carol who actually acts like an Air Force HBIC. I would rather John Scalzi or shit, Tanya Huff if you need it to be a woman, than a YA author. But of course Smile is super popular and aimed-at-girls YA is probably seen as the coming thing.
>>84357515
In hindsight the Nextwave jokes should've tipped me off
>>84355314
>>84355325
>Carol is still drawn like a man
I miss the real Carol
this message is only PSA as now you remember Carol Danvers in Kurt Busiek's Iron man run, that was a complex character and deep, not what we have now.
>>84357601
>carol did you put gin in that cola?
>m...Maybe...
>>84357601
Pictures like this are why Bendis thought Carol would grt insulted when Doom called her a fat cow.
>>84357479
It's not the market, it's just Marvel. DC and idw recently had series going to #50.
>>84357818
And while DC's sales were lower they tend to stay pretty steady.
Marvel books tend to drop in orders in between each month in half. Sometimes 2/3rds.
>>84357966
When dc does more variants, they drop bigger
That's why marvel's drops more, ebcause they have more variants usually
>>84356463
Punisher's my waifu.
>>84357601
She looks so generic to me.
Like one of those nobody heros you only ever see in background shots.
The new look may have a completely different feel to it, but at least it's memorable. Her old outfit is like the apotheosis of generic.
>>84358186
Generic isn't necessarily bad. I like how simple her old design looks and how she's pretty much drawn with three colors.
>>84358186
It was just a different time.
For the period it worked the same way of the Wonder Woman costume (between the '60s and the Comic Code, you really end up asking yourself how costumes like that were able to pass the censor), it was just "simple", being all black with a single lightning bolt, compared to the "american pandering" one that WW had
On the other hand, I'm partially agreeing with you about her new design.
While I would prefer that her face was drawn a bit more "womanly", having a female character in which you can see that she's really buffand not having only some muscles on the arms and/or legs like other physically strong female charactersit's really rather new for the medium
>>84357601
>not liking /fit/ girls
I'd call you a manlet but even Puck wants to climb that blonde tower.
>>84354828
this tbph. I like Carol but it's like being a fan of the Detroit Lions.that means constant disappointment for you non-/sp/.
imagine how badly Marvel would be pushing Storm if they owned the X-Men movue rights. Black, female, and even has good stories.
![rambeau[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/kX1UGqJ.png "rambeau[1].png")
>>84358683
Somehow, I doubt it.
>>84359169
Is that the way Monica is considered a leader in the Marvel comics?
By copying the tactics the real world USA use in its international relationships?
>>84359433
that panel's from Nextwave, hun
>84359433
Well how else are they going to save the day.
It's not like there isn't going to be a fight by the end of the comic. She just knows how to get to the point.
Brevoort one said that Marvel wasn't trying to make Carol their Wonder Woman because they "wanted a character that will actually sell"
Has Carol ever outsold Wonder Woman?
She can't maintain an ongoing. She can't even outsell her own legacy character. It's time to throw in the towel.
>>84360724
Nah, she's great. I'm ok with all the relaunching if that's what it takes to get more Carol books.
>>84359169
well in a world where marvel owned the x-men right and avengers right I am sure they wont be desperate to have Monica in the movies since they have more popular characters than her.
>>84360759
Well see if the prays of Carolfags work again and make this next Carol book good as the current one.
>>84360724
No. Which is saying something cause Wondy sells like shit too. There's a reason she's also had a bunch of relaunches
>>84360983
I think what marvel wants is for Carol become greater that Wonderwoman, they are not happy with Carol being THE female super hero from marvel, they want Carol to become THE female super hero, which is a tittle that wonder woman still Holds whenever she sells or not.
>>84360724
>Has Carol ever outsold Wonder Woman?
Not really.
Their books were both launched back in the mid 00s and Diana's is always above her, even if just a few thousand on some months
And that's not getting into Captain Marvel where she always goes back to 18k-22k and the worst Diana's had was 29k on the last issue before Rebirth.
But Breevoort was just being a cheeky cunt, he does that sometimes. Maybe a little bootyblasted too since they keep having to relaunch her.
>>84361065
I meant on the outselling part. But it's more that Marvel editorial are salty as fuck that their biggest female hero is still wrapped up in the mutant rights. Fuck man, even Wanda got a huge boost and normies fucking LOVED her in CW. And instead Marvel continued on doubling down on Carol instead of switching their focus towards Wanda
>>84357538
>The current Punisher volume is at 10
11, if you count Purgatory as Volume 4.
>>84361173
The popular Marvel girls are all X-Men. Even if they can't hold a book when it comes to the general population Storm, Rogue, and Jean Grey will always come up before Carol. Wanda is tied up in the X-Men rights too even if Marvel gets to use her. Nothing's going to stop Fox from saying "Yeah we're making a non-MCU Scarlet Witch movie."
>>84360983
doesnt wonder woman sell like 30.000 normally?
and she didnt get a relaunch for a long time with azzarello + the shitty finches run
>>84360724
It took Carol 40 years to get to 100 issues. Wonder Woman had a 60+ issue run by one writer. Fucking Harley Quinn will probably get to 100 issues faster than Carol did. She's terrible and has never sold and constantly relaunching her and making her look more and more like a man isn't going to help that. Not even a shitty movie.
Hey, Marvel, if they're able to predict the crime before it happens, what are the chances you can just talk someone out of doing the crime instead of arresting them?
>>84361540
There's also only so much you can do to push a character in the comics. Vision got a big recognition boost from the MCU and his comic is great, but a) it's not a big seller b) it's not the kind of comic that was ever supposed to last a long time.
Some characters are solo material and some aren't. Characters like Vision and Scarlet Witch have always been better on teams. Even Wolverine took a long time to find a setup that would work as a solo character.
What I'm getting at is Carol many not be a great character but she is a solo character. You can put her in a solo comic without having to figure out why.
>>84361601
She's at 67 between vol 1 and 2.
Volume one was 16 years ago. And that's only counting main series. If we factor in one shots and mini series it's likely to be almost 100.
>>84360983
>There's a reason she's also had a bunch of relaunches
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>84361651
The criminals that they've actually used it on.
Low, they'd probably not commit the crime, but they're obviously going to just go commit a different one. or change their plans
>>84361718
>they're obviously going to just go commit a different one
You're probably an idiot, you know they would predict that crime, right?
>>84361713
Wondy has relaunched quite a bit.
It's why Rucka's first arc is basically "All those times writers rebooted Wonder Woman? I'm gonna clean it up and make it all one coherent story."
>>84361761
She's been 'relaunched' as many times as anyone else. You're just talking about retcons that were made in between writers, which happens to everyone. Rucka's new series is only volume 5 over a 75 year period. Carol is getting her fourth relaunch in 5 years.
> geek culture
Stop hiring mother fuckers whose only life experience is through nerd shit.
>>84361880
I guess what we mean by relaunch when it comes to Wonder Woman is a constant reset to everything about her when the writers change.
She is no where near in Carol's state but with Wonder Woman it certainly harms the character a bit.
>>84357155
STOP KEKING GENIS
HE'S SUFFERED ENOUGH
>>84355897
>the most popular hero on the planet
marvel pls
>>84358683
Storm's not a solo character. Never has been, her Avengers Now ongoing was the first she'd gotten and it sucked. The best she's ever managed is becoming leader of the X-Men, which she still not recognized as so much as Cyclops, Wolverine, Xavier etc are.
Ms Marvel was Marvel's first remotely successful superheroine ongoing and the Captain Marvel brand dates back to the 60s. They would have gone with her anyway.
>>84355631
>Marvel has been trying to push her as their Wonder Woman
Carol actually sounds like Marvel's Wonder Woman
- Relaunch after relaunch
- Characters in-universe saying how iconic and inspiring she is
- Sell like shit
>>84361601
>>84362203
Wonder Woman doesn't sell like shit though. Even the horrible Finch crap sold decent enough.
>>84362203
>character in-universe saying how iconic she is
Maybe because wonder woman being popular in universe has been there since WW2, in universe.
Carol suddenly became the most popular hero in universe in her marvel NOW solo.
>>84362203
I hope she kills Tony in Civil War II and they still try to push her as a heroic figure anyway.
>>84362482
So did you not look at the cover at all? >>84355325
>>84362482
>kills the straight white cis male
SHE'S A HERO TO EVERYONE
>>84355431
>canadian superhero team
>under the thumb of Captain Marvel
I don't know whether to be more upset that they're lackeys to an American or the fact that they're lackeys to carol. Bastards.
>>84362298
It's funny because 4chan does this when there are changes made to any character. No one gave a fuck about spider woman before the costume change, suddenly she was iconic and changing her costume was shitting on her character or some such. Hell people here were on tilt about the revamping of devil dinosaur and fucking moonboy! Fuckin moonboy!
>>84362565
I hear you, does Canada have any decent superheroes who aren't wolverine or deadpool? cause as far as I know it's only alpha flight and captain "literally who" canuck.
>>84362658
Deadpool and Wolverine don't really count either. They are canadian in as far as it gets mentioned only to serve as an occasional reminder that they're supposed to be Canadians... despite working almost exclusively with American teams and American government organizations. It's basically just lip service.
>>84362565
At least they're in a good ongoing instead of killed off in the background of an event.
>>84355325
>>84357601
In my opinion, Carol will never sell as long as Marvel keeps her as a bull dyke-looking super heroine.
It's just not possible. Nobody looks up to bull dykes as heroes. Wonder Woman is iconic for a reason, and one of those is due to the fact that she at least still looks like that she has her femininity, but Carol will never surpass her since she ends up looking like a bulldyke at best, and a failed transgender woman at worst. It's offputting.
But Marvel will never understand this, because they're so desperate to please the SJWs and worship the PC religion. They don't want to "objectify" her, so they gotta make her look less appealing while guys like Hercules and Hulk still go out and flex their muscles with no complaints.
>>84362997
Fuck you dyke Carol is best.
>>84362997
wrong.
dyke Carol will sell fine if they let her go full lesbo.
>>84361601
Mayday had 100 issues under one writer
checkmate
Marvel wins
>>84354606
>>Danvers now finds herself in the hands of someone who has never written a comic before but knows a thing or two about female characters. And geek culture.
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>>84355325
Sorry about the pic but I was just watching Dilbert on Kisscartoon and I just realized that they're going to turn Carol into this.
>>84363048
why the fuck does she still have the sash. its fucking retarded
>you will never be pegged by Carol
Why live?
So continuing the B&F run's setting & concept but with a new creative team. Sounds fine, cautiously optimistic.
Now I just need to know that Ultimates is continuing and I'll be a satisfied Carolfag.
>>84363118
>dyke Carol will sell fine if they let her go full lesbo.
They never will though, since that would actually be a smart movie and please the fans. So just a few years where it's revealed she has been in a relationship with some dude for a few years now even though it was never mentioned.
>>84354560
It will be cancelled as planned.
>>84354540
>have a troubled series
>finally find people that write it well
>it becomes moderately successful
>even have a decent backup writing team with the Gages
>cancel and relaunch it after a year
>put someone else entirely on it because relaunches, yo
STOP MESSING WITH RUNNING SYSTEMS GOD DAMN IT.
>>84363048
We need hot Carol back.
>>84362565
It's offset by the fact that we get a monthly dose of Puck now.
Best character.
>>84356463
Kidclops sure is.
People buy #1's because they're "going to be valuable one day" Do people not realise that when there are 10+ #1's of the same character, it becomes worthless? Guess not as marvel want that sweet #1 bonus
>>84368927
Yes please
>>84358186
Because that's who Carol is at her very core. A new outfit or attempts at turning her into a meme aren't going to change that.
>>84362632
Nobody was claiming Jessica was iconic or that she mattered. They were claiming that her ass was the only thing worthwhile about her and made sense given her origin. Which still continues to be true.
People were getting salty off at Devil Dinosaur and Moonboy because it's kind of ironic/fucked up that the supposedly Marvel goes "Hey remember that monkey? Now it's a black girl!"
>>84356715
>geek culture
That's some how gone from actual geek culture to "TRIGGERED" fake geek girls over the last few years.
>>84354540
They've been trying to get Carol to catch on for so long, it's like they don't want to admit no one really gives a shit about her, they've invested so much time an effort that if they just gave up they would look like idiots.
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