>Marvel reclaimed the #1 position on Diamond Comics Distributors' sales charts in June, with "Civil War II" #1 outselling the rest of the month's offerings.
>In fact, Marvel remained the number one publisher overall, though DC Comics' Rebirth powered the publisher to a larger market share, with seven releases landing in the Direct Market's Top Ten. "Batman" and "Batman: Rebirth" were the second and third best sellers, respectively, while "Dark Knight III," "Dark Knight Returns: the Last Crusade," "Superman: Rebirth" "Wonder Woman" and "Superman" landed in positions 6 - 10.
>"Star Wars: Han Solo" #1 and "Civil War II" #2 were Marvel's remaining Top Ten releases.
>"Saga: Vol. 6" was the best-selling graphic novel for May. "Dark Night: A True Batman Tale," Paul Dini's recounting of his late-90s mugging, illustrated by Eduardo Risso, was #2.
>Overall, Marvel's Direct Market shares rose to 40.08% in dollar shares, and dipped slightly to 44.17% unit shares. DC Comics rose on the back of Rebirth to 29.93% in dollars, and 31.69% in units. Image was once again third, making up 7.88% of the market in dollars, and 7.64% in units.
>Monthly comics sales were up significantly from May, and saw an increase over June 2015.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dc-comics-sales-rise-on-rebirth-marvel-still-tops-overall-in-june-2016-sales
>Civil War II is a flop , they said. Rebirth is killing Marvel , they said
>Batman #1 cant defeat civil war 2 #1
>mfw
>>84350043
>Civil War II still won the month
>Marvel still won the month
A reaction image won't simply do justice how much I'm laughing right now, but there you go.
For context, remember Green Arrow Rebirth #1 broke 90k, so all those books are probably 100k+
>>84350092
Why on Earth would you be happy about Civil fucking War II doing well? Unless you're a literal shill, which is a very real possibility.
>>84350103
>Green Arrow Rebirth #1 broke 90k
What the fuck
DC books are listed lower than the order numbers btw
>Please note that comics marked with an asterisk (*) have had their reported quantities reduced due to retailer returnability, and thus may rank lower on the charts than their actual sales would reflect.
>>84350070
King is hack, amirite?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGXzlRoNtHU
All I do is win win win no matter what
Got money on my mind I can never get enough
And every time I step up in the buildin'
Everybody hands go up
And they stay there
And they say yeah
And they stay there
Up down, up down, up down
'Cause all I do is win win win
And if you goin' in put your hands in the air
Make 'em stay there
JUNE 2016 COMIC BOOK SALES REPORT - TOP 10'S
>(BALTIMORE, MD) — (July 8, 2016) — An Inhuman with the power to predict the future brings conflict to the heroes of the Marvel Universe in Brian Michael Bendis and David Marquez's Civil War II from Marvel Comics, the best-selling comic book of June 2016 according to information provided by Diamond Comic Distributors, the world's largest distributor of comics, graphic novels, and pop culture merchandise.
>Their sales powered by Civil War II, Marvel Comics was June's top publisher with a 40.08% dollar share and a 44.17% unit share. With strong Rebirth sales, DC Entertainment was the month's number two publisher with a 29.93% dollar share and a 31.69% unit share. At number three was Image Comics with a 7.88% dollar share and a 7.64% unit share. IDW Publishing was fourth with a 5.22% dollar share and a 4.15% unit share, followed by Dark Horse Comics with a 2.81% dollar share and 1.76% units share.
>Among the premier publishers, Robert Kirkman's The Walking Dead #31 was Image Comics' top book for June at #31. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Bebop & Rocksteady Destroy Everything #1, the first part of a new mini-series, was IDW Publishing's top book at #119. Finally, Hellboy in Hell #10, the final chapter of Mike Mignola's Hellboy saga, ranked #140 as Dark Horse Comics' top-selling comic book.
>Please note that comics marked with an asterisk (*) have had their reported quantities reduced due to retailer returnability, and thus may rank lower on the charts than their actual sales would reflect.
TOP 10 COMIC BOOKS
> 1. CIVIL WAR II #1 (MAR)
> 2. BATMAN #1 [*] (DC)
> 3. BATMAN REBIRTH #1 [*] (DC)
> 4. STAR WARS: HAN SOLO #1 (MAR)
> 5. CIVIL WAR II #2 (MAR)
> 6. DARK KNIGHT III: the MASTER RACE #5 (DC)
> 7. DARK KNIGHT RETURNS: THE LAST CRUSADE #1 (DC)
> 8. SUPERMAN REBIRTH #1 [*] (DC)
> 9. WONDER WOMAN #1 [*] (DC)
> 10. SUPERMAN #1 [*] (DC)
TOP 10 GRAPHIC NOVELS & TRADE PAPERBACKS
> 1. SAGA VOLUME 6 TP (MR) (IMA)
> 2. DARK NIGHT: A TRUE BATMAN STORY HC (MR) (DC)
> 3. SEX CRIMINALS VOL. 3: THREE THE HARD WAY TP (MR) (IMA)
> 4. DC SUPER HERO GIRLS VOL. 1: FINALS CRISIS TP (DC)
> 5. COLOR YOUR OWN YOUNG MARVEL BY SKOTTIE YOUNG TP (MAR)
> 6. BATMAN: THE KILLING JOKE SPECIAL EDITION HC (DC)
> 7. PREACHER BOOK 1 TP (MR) (DC)
> 8. OUTCAST BY KIRKMAN & AZACETA VOL. 3: LITTLE LIGHT (MR) (IMA)
> 9. HARLEY QUINN VOL. 3: KISS KISS BANG STAB TP (DC)
> 10. NEIL GAIMAN'S HOW TO TALK TO GIRLS AT PARTIES HC (DAR)
Original sauce fag: http://www.previewsworld.com/Home/1/1/71/977?articleID=88344
>>84350043
>Marvel reclaimed the #1 position on Diamond Comics Distributors' sales charts in June, with "Civil War II" #1 outselling the rest of the month's offerings.
>In fact, Marvel remained the number one publisher overall, though DC Comics' Rebirth powered the publisher to a larger market share
DC IS OVER
PACK IT UP /CO/ WE LOST
This doesn't include the second, third, fourth, etc reprintings everything Rebirth is getting. Interesting in that context to see how retailers might have underestimated demand. I think those numbers get added to the end of year sales though.
CW2 #1 winning was kind of gimmie with the variants and it being a big Marvel event. Secret Wars #1 broke 500k and CW2 wasn't going to be too much lower (I've seen people blame this on MUH HICKMAN but no, that's just how any big Marvel event will likely sell). Comparatively New 52 batman #1 did less than 200k, Rebirth Batman #1 wasn't going to double that in initial orders which is probably what it needed to beat CW2.
Welp, fuck this industry. I'm going back to my anime
>diamond sales=actual purchases
It wasn't till after stores had already bought their copies that they realised no one gave a shit.
>>84350123
Its more like "Something that shitty is #1 and its making me laugh"
>>84350464
Why is that blonde guy wearing lipstick?
>>84350445
Don't except the reprinting to be some huge game changing numbers, anon.
Reprints are often less than 20k, but for something as big as this, 30k-35k is pretty doable.
>>84350092
/co/ absolutely BLOWN THE GODDAMN F**K OUT!!!
DC pulled in 30% market share on the back of like 18 books. I think things are going to be fine guys.
>>84350557
That they keep doing the reprints is the interesting thing to me. This kind of continued demand so far out seems unusual. I almost expect the main one-shot's reprint to show up in the top 300 this month.
>>84350540
>greentext
In other words:
>le physical sales estimates are how many comic book readers bought those comics meme
Xavier Lancel fell for it.
>>84350609
DC published about a 1/3rd of the amount of titles that Marvel did in June.
I hope this information guides you in the future.
>>84350609
How it feels to have only 2 books in the top ten you brain dead drone, with DC pubblishing only half the number of titles that Marvel had ?
>>84350445
Also don't forget this important part
>Please note that comics marked with an asterisk (*) have had their reported quantities reduced due to retailer returnability, and thus may rank lower on the charts than their actual sales would reflect.
I'll wait till Comichron releases the numbers to see how different everything was. I'm interested to see how Green Arrow continued to do after the Rebirth issue.
>>84350532
>back to my anime
And nothing of value was lost.
>>84350717
Hopefully it'll at least do better than it did under Lemire.
Remember that Rebirth *literally just started* in June. Only 19 Rebirth comics (9x2 bi-weeklies, and 1 monthly) were released in June. While that is still an average number for the start of relaunches, it will increase for July and August, leading to greater DC market share (while CW2's cold reception will lead to lower Marvel market share).
Because, again, we knew that CW2 #1 would sell hugely -- to RETAILERS. (I mean, of course it would...) But it did not and has not sold comparatively well with readers.
Also, Marvel sold a *lot* more series in June than DC did. That is, looking at the PreviewsWorld chart, Marvel has about 40 more series than DC to inflate their share (you can see this phenomenon with IDW shares vs Dark Horse vs Boom, where IDW has less sales per series but sells more series than either, getting an inflated share).
The key takeaways from this month should be:
1) DC/Vertigo has such a strong hold in the market selling 40 less books than Marvel.
2) A strong month in general for the top 10: everything might possibly be above 110k issues sold.
3) Sales were up hugely from last month and even last June.
>>84350717
I'm interested in seeing if we can estimate this >>84350668 decrease. I've seen the returnability decrease mentioned before over the years but I never saw a percentage on it. If GA Rebirth is lower than 90k then it helps.
I'm guessing it's probably not more than 20% though, I'm just a loser who like data.
>>84350750
>Vertigo
Lmao
>>84350773
Rebirth books are actually selling, hence the multiple printings for each title.
>>84350137
Olicity shippers buying the book in the hopes of seeing their idol
>>84350750
>Vertigo
>having a strong hold on anything anymore
they'd probably save more money by dumping all of it desu
>>84350070
no Damian - no buy :)
>>84350319
>> 8. SUPERMAN REBIRTH #1 [*] (DC)
good :)
>>84350609
>>84350571
>>84350532
>>84350371
It's like people can't understand what I'm always saying in these threads: Marvel has always been inherently more popular than DC. There are a lot of reasons, but casuals like Marvel much more.
>>84350823
>You still lost, faggots
But I read from both, you're allowed to do that
>>84350823
I really wish I could get into your headspace for a moment where you think that flooding the market with over 100 titles that aren't selling and winning the market with sales goosing tactics and an overblown event that's lingering on shelves while only holding a marginal lead over your competitive who published like 19 titles in their main line is somehow good and/or impressive.
>>84350877
>you're allowed to do that
What? Really!?
Why hasn't anybody told me that?
I just fucking hope Superman #1 sold worse than Morrison's Action Comics debut or at least the drop off from issue #1 to #2 is higher so I can shove that in not muh Superfags.
>>84350926
You can eat meat and get married too, just so you know.
>>84350609
How's your black girl Iron Man series going?
>>84350940
This is not necessary. You already have pre-Flashpoint sales to prove that people didn't like that Superman any more than new 52 besides when his books were good.
I'm not buying either of those two main Superbooks until they put good writers on them. The side books seem interesting though.
>>84350823
Literally event and Star Wars saving Marvel and they're flooding the market with 80+ books and a lot of them are under 20k. Kill yourself.
>>84350823
It's like people on this board can't simply understand that Marvel has always been inherently more popular than DC. That has always been the case. But /co/ is delusional and contrarian.
>>84350922
>b-but dc has got less titles
Damn good point. DC is definitely focusing on publishing only "quality" titles and are totally not the victims of being downsized by big daddy WB.
>>84350997
>star wars
Oh, this again
>>84350968
Hasn't been released yet, but Bad so far, it has Bendis' name on it.
>>84350989
New Super-Man is going to be comfy and fun. My most anticipated title of the month.
>>84351040
>>84351040
You're right, anon forgot the deluge of unsustainable #1s.
>>84351058
>>84351060
yes, months ago when marvel had more #1s than they do now. the red are #1s and even without them marvel is just selling more because that's how bad dc's doing and how well shit marvel books do.
>>84351040
Even Mockingbird sells more than Flash and Wonder Woman. This is hilarious.
>>Marvel makes their laziest event ever.
>>Still number one.
I don't know how much longer I can do this
>>84351054
Yeah I'm actually convinced it won't sell that great (probably hits 20k by #5, if not sooner), but at least it has the editorial support to last a while.
I love that he's an asshole.
>>84351087
very strange when marvel's shit a list books still sell well but dc's shit a list books like wonder woman and flash start dropping in sales
>>84351088
It's a #1 Anon, it dropped over half of it's ready by the next issue. It's near the cancellation death zone now.
>>84351088
>a #1 with 7-8 variants sells more than a shit book on issue 50
How did #2 did anon.
>>84351115
It's almost like this place isn't a hivemind you retard.
>>84351088
See I don't mind the company war shitposting like >>84350609 but when it's posts like this that just show off your ass by proving you don't understand how to look at comic sales it's just tiresome. Why even post here?
>>84351134
This is what people don't seem to understand with Marvel. They keep going back to the relaunch well and the diminishing returns become more and more apparent. Marvel NOW is going to be the breaking point.
>>84350043
Shit. I guess this means more Bendis and terrible overpriced events that derail even the few good comics they're publishing. Why, Marvel fans.
>>84351115
That ain't gonna happen ever. Marvel would constantly relaunch and have events and artificially control market share.
>>84350043
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/03/image-comics-quiz
>“If we keep on our current trajectory, we’ll overtake DC in less than five years,” predicts Kirkman, who has been a partner in the company since 2008. “Then it’s just a hop, skip, and a jump to toppling Marvel.”
>Image now sub-8% in unit and market.
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>>84351058
#2 and #3 have inflated sales as well.
>>84351112
People are characterfags and have brand loyalty. Marvel characters are inherently more popular than DC's because of a perceived preconception that they're more "flawed", "human" and "relatable". Besides they're inherently cooler for casuals, while DC's are more classic and seem like your grandpa's superheroes.
That and the fact that Marvel have always done a better job at marketing their characters. Look at the animated series in the 90s. Marvel had Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Hulk, Iron Man, Silver Surfer. DC had only Batman and Superman.
Besides they were already surpassing DC since the 60s/70s just because the quality of stories were superior and much more people grew up reading Marvel and passed it down the tradition to their siblings or children.
>>84351087
>comparing the end of a line-up to the beginning of one
wew, that's some mental damage right there
>>84351040
>#1's
>>84351040
>9/43 isn't marvel
>>84351058
11/43 isn't marvel
>>84351087
10/38 isn't marvel
Jesus, Rebirth was needed so badly.
>>84351060
Look away, from the red boxes to see the non #1s, anon.
>>84351172
Hey, I'm more of a DCfag, but I'm just pointing at the truth, man. Casuals like Marvel more, there's just no other way around it.
>>84351199
Weren't they 10% when Walking Dead and Invincible were at their peaks? They are getting more big name writers though.
>>84351210
Go look at the shit sales for 12 months then anon
http://www.comicsbeat.com/dc-comics-month-to-month-sales-may-2016-its-a-rebirth-apocalypse/
>>84351115
I made that thread. You can go back and reread that thread I made, because my argument is that DC could possibly overtake Marvel after the NOW relaunch based on the fact that retailers are in a prime position to under order multiple NOW! titles in much the same way they did with DCYou.
Not once did I make the argument that they would "win" the month, when they only put out 19 real books this month. The rest of the titles they put out were last issues to multiple books that weren't selling (Black Canary, Son of Batman, Black Canary). These Rebirth books sold phenomenally by all accounts, but only a retard would argue that they could outsell the utter deluge of titles that Marvel puts out and an event sequel to a hot movie with about a billion variants to order.
>>84351240
Okay? We're not talking about that. May as well pull up sales from the 90s, just as relevant.
>>84351240
Who exactly is arguing that DCYou didn't sell poorly?
DC BTFO
KEK
CRASHING THIS INDUSTRY. WITH NO SURVIVORS.
>>84351180
It literally looked like nobody gave a shit about CW2. Every online forum has fans complaining how shit the event is, retailers complaining it's not really selling. It's either casuals buying or the sales are artificial.
>>84351255
The point of the sales is to see how badly DC was doing. That's why they weren't charting.
If they had more books selling 40k like A list books are supposed to, then they'd push more marvel books down.
But they didn't.
Because they were selling like ass.
For months.
>>84351263
>the sales are artificial.
ding ding ding ding
>>84351261
Uh tons of people have been yelling about #1s and Star WArs being the reason why Marvel sells more than DC, when no, it's because DC is selling so poorly.
>>84351263
You need to go more casual
It's on facebook that you will find people praising it
>>84351227
But it has nothing to do with casuals. Mockingbird is just flat out not a healthier title than WW or Flash by any measure.
>>84351286
No one is arguing that DC wasn't doing poorly before. We're arguing that Marvel is also doing poorly and is practicing unsustainable business tactics that currently have them seated as #1.
Mockingbird #1 launching at 40k is fucking HIDEOUS, how can you not see this? International Iron Man #1 only had 70k sales? One of their biggest characters by ostensibly their biggest writer? This is a fucking disaster dude.
>>84351340
But Deadpool and the fuckton of X-Men titles are.
>>84351199
I think people know that Image basically doesn't work unless you're already famous, a few flukes aside
>>84351359
Yeah but I was replying to the Mockingbird post not anything about Deadpool or X-Men.
>>84351357
Yes, brother :^)
The New 52 1 x 0 Rebirth
>>84351393
>52 new #1s outsold 9 new #1s
What is the point of being this stupid?
>>84351393
Not useful until we get the estimates on the actual sales of the Rebirth issues. The industry's overall numbers have increased since then so share %s aren't directly comparable like that
>>84351417
/co/ blown the f*ck out
>>84351355
>Mockingbird #1 launching at 40k is fucking HIDEOUS, how can you not see this? International Iron Man #1 only had 70k sales? One of their biggest characters by ostensibly their biggest writer? This is a fucking disaster dude.
These are literally the kind of numbers DCYou ongoings launched to. If you can't see how grim this is, I don't know what to tell you.
>>84351355
>a secondary book sells less than the main book
Somebody tell DC to shut down 'Tec and Action then
>>84351484
I thought that was his point? The market is fucked
Jesus, Marvel is shipping nearly twice the amount of single titles and about a third of more graphic novels than DC. No wonder they're maintaining the amount of market/dollar share they have. Having singles at 112 titles is fucking insane. All of them are priced more than DC's as well. So while more titles in DC's are selling overall from an issue-to-issue perspective, there's just so many comics that Marvel is putting out at a higher price point. Which is fine for DC, I guess, since they're getting more issues into reader's hands and rebuilding their fanbase. Having a 30% market share at that number of titles shipped is good compared to a 40% share at near double the titles shipped from Marvel.
>>84351493
If DC relaunched Action Comics and Detective Comics with Geoff Johns and Gary Frank and only managed to get 70k for each of those titles, I'd be telling them to shut the doors and walk away.
>We /v/ now.
Fuck this is only going to continue until after Marvel 2.0 is 4 months in.
>>84351393
>Dark Horse beating Image
What a fucking world we live in.
>>84351516
Johns and Bendis aren't very comparable.
Bendis maxes out at like 50k with a movie, whereas Johns made Aquaman and JL be at 70k+.
>>84351417
>DC publishes nearly half the amount of titles as Marvel
>Marvel only has a 10% market lead
What's your excuse for this?
>>84351534
>Johns and Bendis aren't very comparable.
Their quality of writing is the same.
>>84350873
Obviously. I just wanted to see such a transparent lazy cashgrab event not be such an instant, easy success.
>>84351526
blame /tv/ and /v/ for this, you could also blame marvel for causing the problem between x-men fans hating on inhumans fans
>>84351534
JL was 100k until 20+ issues. After forever Evil it settled around 70k and Darkseid War jumped between 70-80k. Not only that, Johns backlog of Green Lantern and other popular titles blows the fuck out of Bendis. Bendis isn't as popular as Johns, he just sells because it's Marvel.
>>84351581
It was always going to start as one. Maybe by the #4 sales drop below 150k if we're lucky.
>>84351563
DC usually has less than 15 titles in top 100 though :^)
>>84351580
Sales wise they aren't comparable
Bendis is one of marvel's more popular writers but he doesn't have much on Johns
>>84351563
That can be explained in two opposite ways
>Marvel has the advantage only because they make many more series
>Marvel has so much share of the market that they can make ongoings dedicated to d-listers even if they know that it wouldn't sell muchbecause, seriously, who would care about Mockingbird? Her character was little more than "Hawkeye's girlfriend
>>84351632
The 30 other books that DC published not related to Rebirth were the tail-end last issues of multiple titles that were canceled, Vertigo titles, and physical printings of Digital First titles.
So you realize this is only making Marvel look worse right?
>>84351657
I don't think the "D-lister book doomed to fail" is based that much on how either company is doing. Didio is famous for supporting those at DC. When you put out something like that it's just a favor to the creator most likely.
I don't know why the DCfags are celebrating a defeat. It's like this every single month, they always say this is the month when Marvel will be BTFO, and they always lose. Then they backtrack and say 'B-But it's a long term game.'
It's been like this since the New 52 hype started to die.
>>84351690
It's amusing watching you defend Marvel's hideous business practices and think that the minimal lead they command over the industry isn't anything short of disastrous right now.
You have no idea how dire things are right now for Marvel.
Comichron article on this:
>The dual releases of Civil War II from Marvel and many of DC's Rebirth titles drove comic shop retailers to order a modern record $58.59 million in comic books, graphic novels, and magazines in June 2016, according to Comichron's analysis of charts released today by Diamond Comic Distributors. The single month's orders nearly eclipsed last June's by nearly $10 million and nearly erased the Direct Market's losses to date through 2016. Comics shop market orders for the year stand at about $280 million, versus $282 million in the first half of 2015.
>Marvel's Civil War II #1 led the new comics charts, and by the increase in comics unit sales this month — nearly 20% — we can expect that a large number, if not all, of the top 10 titles may wind up over 100,000 copies. By placing ahead of DC's Batman #1 at $2.99, the $5.99 60-page Civil War II issue is further expected to bring in more than twice the revenue.
>The month beat the previous Diamond Exclusive Era record-holder, April 2015, by nearly $2 million. The aggregate sales figures for the month show a 23% increase in comics dollars and a 14% increase in graphic novel dollars, netting out to a 20% increase overall.
>The first quarter of the year was slightly up; the second quarter slightly down, due to weakness in April and May. This June had five shipping weeks versus four last June, and the first half of the year had 26 Wednesdays as opposed to 25 in the first half of 2015.
>But while the number of releases in June 2016 was way up — 536 new comics versus 453 last June — the number of comics shipping per week dropped 5%, so it's not all about the volume. The second quarter of 2015 was very strong, as was last June; the third quarter last year was weaker. Leading into this year's third quarter with momentum, thus, may bode well for the rest of 2016's comparatives.
http://blog.comichron.com/2016/07/civil-war-ii-dc-rebirth-propel-586.html
Dammit people. Learn how this shit works.
OF COURSE CWII has the top spot and Marvel has the lion's share of the market. It's smoke and mirrors. These aren't consumer sales. These are store orders.
Marvel published a significantly more number of books than DC did during June (unit share)
Marvel's books are priced at a significantly higher price point than DC's book (dollar share)
CWII had like 20 cover variants and retailer exclusive variants. Stores ordered more.
Rebirth titles are 100% returnable. Due to this Diamond decreases their sales estimates by 10%.
Marvel also has an iron grip on some LCS and pressures them to either push their product and bury the competition or not even order the competition at all.
DC won. They won hard and they'll continue to win where it counts as time goes on until Marvel inevitably relaunches their titles and embraces their past like DC has done.
>>84350319
>7. DARK KNIGHT RETURNS: THE LAST CRUSADE #1 (DC)
I'm happy about this one. It's the best thing Miller has written in years. And it's a better Jason Todd Robin death story than that turd called Death in The Family.
>>84351776
Azz scripted it tho
Miller was just a consultant like he is on DKIII
>>84350877
No you're not, you can only ever like one thing, you silly billy.
>>>BookScan Top 20 Graphic Novels in June 2016
>An eclectic group of four new titles hit the chart in June, from four different publishers. Dark Horse Comics led the pack with Chuck Palahniuk’s Fight Club 2 HC, the collection of the hit comic. It debuted at #4, a very strong showing.
>Indeh: A Story of the Apache Wars, written by actor/writer Ethan Hawke with art by Greg Ruth, also had a strong debut, hitting the chart at #7. We don’t see a lot of graphic novel titles from Grand Central Publishing; the last time was back in the mid-00s.
>Dark Knight: A True Batman Story HC, the amazing true story by Paul Dini and Eduardo Risso in which Dini tells the story of his brutal beating and recovery, launched at #11.
>And the first volume of Dynamite’s new graphic novel series by fantasy and science fiction author Brandon Sanderson debuted at #18. This is the first of three planned volumes.
>DC (under both the DC and Vertigo imprints) had six titles in the Top 20, the company’s best showing in recent memory. As we predicted last month (see "28 Years Later, ‘The Killing Joke’ is #1"), The Killing Joke seems poised to hold the #1 slot until August (or later); this month is the second month that the 28-year-old title has been the top graphic novel in bookstores.
>DC’s strong showing appears to have come mostly at Image Comics’ expense; the graphic novel powerhouse had only one title in the Top 20 this month. VIZ Media tied DC at six titles in the Top 20, Marvel had two, and six companies had one.
Read more: http://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/34898/june-2016-bookscan-top-20-adult-graphic-novels
>>84351763
>tfw Batman is one of the weaker Rebirth titles
If GOtham weren't cute as a button it would suck so of course it's still the highest seller ;_;
>>84350873
>casuals like Marvel more
Not as much as they like Batman.
>>84351787
Miller said it was more his story than Azzarello's. He was even going around promoting it with Romita.
>>84351825
They're called Detective Comics Comics for a reason
>>84351865
Putting :^) over every post does not make your argument valid tho
>>84351817
no surprise with the Preacher books I guess
>>84351252
DC went up to 52 before doing rebirth and they're also bringing back the old numbering on some titles.
When was the last Marvel title that went to 40 issues?
>>84351888
i want to see the sales of black iron woman and the other tittles honestly, and maybe of stuff that is not part of event
>>84351920
A whole two titles, wow
They're also doing it to get that 1000 number and money
>>84351888
Let me pose a question as simply and plainly as I can to you.
Marvel publishes 112 titles to DC's 69. Despite this, they only had a dollar share lead of 10%. Which company do you think more profit after factoring in overhead?
>>84351990
You also forgot to mention that Marvel has primarily $3.99 books and even some at $4.99 that shit adds up when comparatively DC has all $2.99. I don't understand how people can buy a comic at 5 dollary-doos, that's outrageous.
>>84352022
>Marvel has almost twice as many books AND they're all more expensive
>only has a share lead of 10%
Marvel on suicide watch
>>84352055
next year when it's discovered that double shipping may not be a thing that people like
>>84351990
Marvel only made 25% more money despite publishing 40% more books at higher costs. How are people this stupid?
>>84350043
>Not even another relaunch can help DC win
>Marvel prove they literally don't have to try to BTFO DC
This month I'm laughing even louder 2bh
>>84351657
It's also because they charge a dollar or two more for their comics than their page count would normally suggest.
Five bucks for 20 pages.
>>84352133
>people can't even remember muh real superman
this is how little people care about him in general
>>84352055
>spoiler
Not exactly true. Justice League, Dick, Suicide Squad, and Deathstroke all still left to come. Maybe Deathstroke is a little lower tier but it will do well for a while like the new 52 volumes.
>>84352022
plus Marvel's dollar share increases, whist their unit share decreases (mostly due to stuff like Civil War being $6), so they're selling 13% more units, but only making 10% more dollars, even though almost all their books cost more.
>>84352159
Forgot the lantern team book as well. That might outsell the book with the minority cuties.
>>84350043
>Post yfw /co/ was WRONG fucking AGAIN!
>>84352055
2 years at most, it also depends on the success of the DCEU (not very promising)
They will make a big event about DC vs. Watchmen, and it will end on another reboot
The hard question is what it will be like. They already tried to "modernize" the characters (New 52), and they already tried to restore the characters (Rebirth). What then?
>>84352159
It's Priest writing him though, I expect it to have a huge launch like Green Arrow did.
>>84352196
3/10, too obvious to shit on Busiek
>>84352196
everything in that top 10 cleared at least 90k issues...
>>84352159
Suicide Squad is gonna drop so hard when Lee is done with his 3 and a half issues
They should've put a month or so earlier so they could get more money because of the movie
>>84352206
>they already tried to restore the characters (Rebirth)
all of the rebirth books aren't even out yet.
>>84352212
Priest is one of those writers who doesn't have a big draw despite being very good. Doesn't help that dc didn't push him as their black writer like marvel did with TNC
>Marvel is dead they said
>>84352212
Priest only matters to people who have been reading comics for 15+ years
>>84352212
Does he still have a lot of fans? I'm not sure if that will have an effect.
>>84352231
I'm not saying it will pay off. I'm saying his statement that it should get worse isn't accurate. All the big books aren't in the June sales.
>>84350043
Diamond sales applies to Comic Stores not the sales from consumers.
This means nothing.
>>84352231
Well the point of double shipping fucking everything is to push out more trades more often right? So I assume sometime next year when we get those trades out we'll see how the trades do.
>>84352254
TNC is a pretty acclaimed writer. DC would kill got a MacArthur Genius.
>>84352272
>All the big books aren't in the June sales.
Dude what? The only big book not in the June sales is Justice League. All the big titles were already released.
>Dark Knight III takes #1 and the rest is Marvel.
H-holy shit! DCBTFO!
>CWII takes #1 and the rest is basically DC.
H-holy shit! DCBTFO!
You fuckers are hilarious.
>>84352295
No the point is to have more high sellers coming out a month.
Trades are just a bonus.
Batman #1 sold more than all of Omega Men and Midnighter combined, and I imagine a lot of the #1s this month sold more than all of one book like Dr Fate, Omega Men, etc combined.
>>84352309
Remember when DC had China Mieville writing a GOAT book and it sold like shit?
>>84352326
>it took a 1:5000 variant for that number to happen
>>84352311
I literally just listed books that should seem comparatively to the others. Nightwing, Deathstroke, Suicide Squad, Hal Jordan and the GLC. These are books that should sell in the Aquaman, Green Arrow, WW range as they were selling there most of that past year or two.
This is not rocket science.
>>84352360
And of course I did actually forget about Harley so that's another that should do well eventually, it doesn't start double-shipping until August though
>>84352360
>WW range
You say that as if the WW book is a big seller
>>84352326
Dark Knight is the biggest variant babby I've ever seen. Every LCS I visit has a huge stack of Dark Knight.
>>84352377
he has a point though.
just because comic book stores bought that much doesn't mean consumers bought that much.
>>84352451
only marvel does variants, don't lie
>>84352433
I'm talking about titles that should, at worst, sell 40k or higher twice a month through this first year of Rebirth (less than that is what I would consider a failure on DC's behalf). That's where a-list titles land almost across the industry.
>>84352206
>reboot
You mean relaunch. DC likely won't be rebooting again until ~2030 given their past record.
can we just talk about the comics
>>84352543
This is a comic sales thread. We're discussing comic sales. If you want to actually talk about content outside of the context of sales make a different thread.
>>84352543
Did you post in the wrong thread
>>84351667
>usually
>>84352055
I predict DC will fold inside the next decade.
>>84352326
Marvelfags weren't the ones spending the entire month doing nothing but rampantly shitposting about how their publisher of choice was going to BTFO the competition.
I wish DC would have taken a higher market share so Marvel would get knocked off their high-horse and realise that event fatigue has gone too far, but DCfriends absolutely deserved this after the way they were acting.
Marvel may be a worse company than DC, but DCfriends are a thousand times worse than Marvelfags.
May 2016 Top 10
1 DC Universe Rebirth 1
2 Civil War II 0
3 Punisher 1
4 Batman 52
5 Captain America Steve Rogers 1
6 Star Wars 19
7 Justice League 50
8 Darth Vader 20
9 Black Panther 2
10 Amazing Spider-Man 12
Why does Marvel have so few comics in the top 10 in June?
>>84352682
this time one is a woman and the other asian so surely it'll be better
>>84352660
I've been saying all along that CW2 will be like Convergence where orders seem to be fine but it is the last straw that leads to a toxic relationship with LCSes that eventually leads to Marvel having to change course in a year or so. Still hope I'm right since I want them to improve their talent.
>>84352670
Another DC gimmick relaunch anon, but it's okay, we still won.
>>84352769
Superwoman and New Super-Man aren't by Jurgens and actually seem good
>>84352769
but he hugged his son isn't that cute
>>84352797
I'm still so bootyblasted by Jon that I can't read the Tomasi book at all. I don't know why I'm so NOT MUH about a character who probably showed up in less than 30 total issues but Chris is the only son of Clark and Lois for me.
>>84350873
>casuals like Marvel much more
The only arguement that I've heard on that front is that "marvel characters are more relatable than DC" which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I mean it isn't even constructive criticism, though we're not exactly dealing with "rocket scientists" here either as far as logic goes
The only publisher that can dethrone Marvel is Marvel themsleves. Nothing DC does can break their market share. Only Marvel making horrible decisions that cause retailers to finally say enough is enough will cause Marvel to lose their position.
If DC "wins" it'll be as a result of Marvel's incompetence, not DC's success.
>>84352673
>Marvel buys DC
>Kill the whole universe with the exception of the Bat peeps
>>84350873
>casuals like Marvel more
Because casuals are the ones who are buying comics most. Fuck off.
>>84352797
>>84352769
Jurgens isn't writing any of those titles mentioned. He's on Action Comics only.
>>84352893
>Only Marvel making horrible decisions that cause retailers to finally say enough is enough will cause Marvel to lose their position.
Marvel Nowit's different this time we swear!and Civil War II seem like the makings of this scenario.
>>84352879
Really? That's the only argument? Because the argument I tend to see more is:
>casuals care about what's popular outside of comics, and the MCU is significantly more popular than DCEU
DC has Batman. Marvel has Spider-man, the X-men, and the Avengers.
Of course, casuals aren't the ones buying most comics.
>>84352893
this desu
dc doing better won't kill marvel, both just went through a few months of doing more poorly than usual. fans don't just go from one publisher to the next willy nilly, it's usually one big melting pot or the person beomes a lapsed comic reader
at best dc making good decisions (e.g. 2.99 price point making sales higher, listening to fans) will make more marvel fans realize how shit marvel is right now
>>84352897
>implying they won't kill the batfamily first since most outspoken dc fans are batfamilyfags
Assuming Rebirth books and Civil War tie-ins see natural falls from issue to issue, and second month Rebirth titles sell along the same lines as the first month's titles, DC will overtake Marvel handily in July.
Marvel only has 1 more Civil War tie-in coming in July and nothing else new. DC is launching 6 new books (the only one of which that is a maybe for dependable sales is New-Superman.) In addition to this, we'll also see sales figures for Rebirth reprints, of which every single June book has at least 2 extra printings so far.
>>84353029
>we'll get them next month!
The cycle of delusion continues.
>>84353039
>No Nova Corps/GL team ups
>No Cap and the Freedom Fighters or alternatively the fucking JSA
>No Avengers/JLA camaraderie like in the JLA Avengers crossover
>No Aquaman and Namor joint ruling Atlantis
Where's your fucking imagination Anon.
>>84353058
>>84353080
Every DC Rebirth book would have to sell a minimum of 250k for DC to overtake Marvel on the back of only 8 bi-weekly titles. If DC doesn't overtake Marvel, it will still be extremely close with yet another two months worth of launches to continue to pad that line while Marvel sales continue to dip with nothing new to bolster sales.
>>84353124
The death issue for CW2 (3 or 4? not sure) will probably spike
>>84353100
What about shared villains? First thing I can think of is the delicious suffering of Peter that would be his meeting with Scarecrow.
>>84353138
And yet they do continue to shit all over everything they did before anyway, hilarious
>>84353138
I was going more along the lines of them using the same name of Marvel NOW because they've run out of adding adjectives to their All New All Different, Now This is What I Call Butter relaunches.
>>84353157
Marvels already got a Scarecrow in Mister Fear. The two teaming up to see who could scare more would be neat.
>>84351501
They're creating more jobs than DC, that's good.
>>84353143
Historically issues with BIG DEATHS immediately crash with subsequent issues. It will be a temporary reprieve. There's also the fact that Civil War #3 doesn't have nearly the same sales incentives that the first issue has and interest in the book itself seems to be minimal.
I can only speak from experience, but the last time I saw this many unsold issues of an event title sitting on the shelf weeks after launch was Convergence.
>>84353192
More penciller+inker+colorist jobs at least. Writers are the same 5 guys.
>>84353225
Yeah, but jobs are jobs...when is DC going to conribute more to the economy?
>>84353200
>I can only speak from experience, but the last time I saw this many unsold issues of an event title sitting on the shelf weeks after launch was Convergence.
How many stores did you see the unsold copies at?
>>84353271
3 local shops around me that I frequent (one is to play Magic, the other I just like to hang out at).
One of them is Source Comics & Gaming, which is one of the biggest shops in the midwest.
>>84353276
>I don't know why people get so autistic about it.
Because it typically leads to a relaunch which in the short team will garner a sales boost, but after 6 months or so will drop even further than it was from before the relaunch. You can see this in a lot of the most recent ones. It's just a really dumb tactic.
It's really hard to overstate the similarities between Convergence/DCYou and Civil War/Marvel NOW right now.
Retailers stuck with an event that they over ordered that has minimal buzz and isn't selling after being suckered with variant promotions and sales tactics. A subsequent launch that has a few fun cutesy titles that absolutely will not sell under any circumstances and will likely be under ordered after being burned after overordering the event (GLA, Solo, etc.) and a core line of books that is absolutely the same as the previous launch with the same teams and slight re-configuring (different shittier costumes, a new title) that is a million miles away from what fans want.
The warning signs are all there, and as DCYou taught us, the sales will be poison.
>>84353276
It honestly just feels like they forgot they used the title rather than anything you're saying.
>>84353479
Because you have books that have 5 issues of a volume in a year then another 6 of a new volume in the same year. It's stupid for collectors and is used for nothing but to get a new #1 despite nothing on the book changing. Spider-Gwen, Howard the Duck and Squirrel Girl all had 2 launches in the same year with the exact same creative team, it's ridiculous.
This is from 3 years ago and it's still relevant.
>>84353479
the shit has no direction. There's a relaunch, and its 2-3 issues until there's an event and the book is in tie ins for 3 months. Then, there's already hype about the next relaunch and change of direction.
>>84353479
Every series is a forced mini even when it doesn't fit logical progression within the narrative. It's just flat out not good. Leads to weird pacing and abrupt endings. If they only relaunched when there was a dramatic creative shift it WOULD make sense. Or if they at least had creative teams actually plot things as if they're minis. That's not what's happening though and on top of that every series gets collected in a vol 1 trade so normies can't even tell what order to read anything in.
>>84353650
>I still don't understand why the #1 is so troubling though. It's silly, sure, but there's no harm.
It's fine if there's only a few #1s. Now Amazing Spider-Man has like four #1s, Captain America has like 8 or 9 #1s, and this doesn't show signs of stopping.
>I just explained that comics are separated into volumes, so make sure you're picking up the right #4 or whatever, and to call me if she had questions about a character she didn't recognize. Its been pretty easy breezy.
Not everybody's lucky enough to get that help.
>>84353723
>but that was always meant to be a mini anyway.
No the first arc was 12 but King had been talking about the next arc in interviews and shit before he went exclusive
>>84353585
>Dr Doom ongoing
>Written by Bendis
This is why Marvel is dying.
>>84353750
I doubt the book could sustain sales enough for anything more than that.
>>84353775
You're probably not wrong but it's still doing kind of ok now the past couple of months. Other things worth cancelling first at least.
>>84351758
>Apologists Excuses: The Post
>>84352196
>I haven't been in an LCS
>I haven't seen the shelves filled with Civil War #1s and #2s
>>84354040
I agree, the entire thread is full of Marvel apologists.
>>84353821
are you an idiot? All the Post-Civil War Comics haven't even been solicited yet, heck her title isn't even solicited yet.
At least the DCFriends are happy this time, it was legit sad around the DCYou Era since a lot of us were actually excited by the 8 Page Previews and to realize they were all performing terribly was devastating. At least now we know that they had pretty high orders this time.
>People thinking Marvel Won
>Higher Prices than DC= Higher Dollar Share
>More Titles Out than DC = Higher Unit Share
but hey, let's just believe that everything that gets ordered by LCS actually sells out.
>>84353821
>I don't want Marvel to publish books for me. I only want them to publish for casuals.
>>84350729
>>>84350532
>>back to my anime.
>>to my anime.
>>my anime.
>>anime.
>>me.
>>84354266
how can dc expect to sell when their fans can't read
>>84354427
I'm interested to see how that will do 6 months after the fact. Will she be a new cult hit or is she just going to die out and be relegated to background character?
>>84354481
She's Bendis' daughter written by Bendis.
It'll sell just fine and he'll never let it go unless he planned her to only be in the suit for a certain amount of arcs. Said arcs will probably take a year each, but there you go.
>>84352196
>>84354430
>tbqh
>Muh muh muh
>"""""WEW LAD"""""
Yep, obvious bait
>>84354370
My point about quality still stands
>>84354620
They should just do what they did in the 90s and mid 00s and just replace everybody.
>>84352159
>Big Titles
>May 2016 sales
>#75 Grayson: 23,762 copies
>#79 New Suicide Squad: 23,425 copies
>#90 Deathstroke: 21,087 copies
Really?
>>84354798
>>84354784
>>84354773
Look out, the /tv/ poster is upset.
>>84350043
How many variants did CW2#1 have again?
Hmmm. After a close inspection, it seems like DC has the upper hand. From what I see Marvel sales are down, while DC's sales rose.
>>84354807
nice photoshop skills
>>84351758
>Marvel published a significantly more number of books than DC did during June
That's been happening for years. New 52 outsold Marvel even with almost half the number of books.
>>84354851
>not a single bad comic
>almost every comic is at least pretty good
>at least a third of all the current books are among the best runs the characters have ever had
Rucka and King's Wonder Woman and Batman are shaping up to be genre defining classics, and what's being done with the Superman line is some of the best and most engaging cape comics I've ever seen.
But keep on shilling your SJW garbage, marvelfag.
>>84355078
>not a single bad comic
Action Comics
>>84355078
>Rucka and King's Wonder Woman and Batman are shaping up to be genre defining classics
lol slow down
>>84354756
Ah, good ol' delusional DCfriends.
>>84354844
Deathstroke I admitted was second tier but sales were very stable for whatever reason. He has his fans and it isn't a risk. SS is similar but will get the Lee bump for a while so it's a safer bet.
Grayson's numbers didn't drop until after Rebirth was announced and the creative team changed, it was generally up with Action, Flash, GL, etc even with the high tier price point and no costume.
>>84355078
>>84355100
Justice League by Hitch was awful
>>84355100
It was good, troll harder
Unless you hate comic books, which is expected to be.
>>84355078
>Rucka and King's Wonder Woman and Batman are shaping up to be genre defining classics, and what's being done with the Superman line is some of the best and most engaging cape comics I've ever seen.
I think you're trying too hard. Go back to making the other posts where you're pretending to be someone upset with how DC fans are worse than marvel fans.
>>84355132
>It was good, troll harder
What about it was good?
>>84355109
>>84354807
Well photoshopped, friend.
>>84352660
>Marvelfags weren't the ones spending the entire month doing nothing but rampantly shitposting
T-they started!!!
>>84355109
>9000 hours in paint
I don't understand one thing. Rebirth is on 5th printing but somehow Diamond says that Civil War was #1? Even if every other chart shows something else? Wtf is going on?
>>84355146
That anon will answer "it was good because it wasn't a Marvel comic" and then pretend to be an angry Marvel fan to attack himself.
>>84355128
>>84355100
Both were great, fuck off. Justice League was a good one and done story that showcased each of the characters fighting an epic and new threat. It's exciting, bold, and innovative while still feeling classic and is, above all else, a reassuring and optimistic look into the future of DC that proves without a shadow of a doubt that they're back and better than ever.
As for Action Comics, it was pretty much 10/10 perfect and that you think otherwise only shows that you Marvel shills are so far up your own ass that you literally can't see straight.
>>84355146
Art, dialogue, plot, idea.
Something that marvel lacks since AvX
>>84352660
But it was based on fact. Unless you want to say that all the reports about Rebirth being a surprise success were false?
Really, how much of the sales from Marvel are star wars? Be honest. Last time I checked most of marvel books were doing around 30k, except Deadpool, Spider-Man (and X-Men)
>>84355159
Rebirth was counted in last month's sales
>>84355078
>some of the best and most engaging cape comics I've ever seen.
>mfw I will never have standards this low
>>84355109
paint is not that good of a tool
>>84355187
>fighting an epic and new threat
Completely original, sure
I've never seen anything like that in any medium, no sir, never ever
>>84355128
I skipped it, just like the last Hitch JL, I haven't fallen for the Hitch meme ever.
>>84355199
In other words, diamond is rigged?
You're not going to tell me that the reception from the fans (including me) is false?
I don't remember the last time I enjoyed a marvel book. Meanwhile, I started reading Superman again. AGAIN! After 10 years since I picked up a Superman book! And we're going to get Doom Patrol. Really, this is bullshit. I don't believe this report.
>>84350043
Good lord this is hilarious. Did someone not just make a thread today talking about how DC was about to beat Marvel in sales?
>>84355100
It was pretty good unless you are one of those autistic faggots that go ''Hey, the book has a small detial that I don't like, so instead of taking it as the book being good while having problems I'm just going to blow that small detail and any other detail out of proportion to say that the book is fucking terrible''
>>84355198
>Art, dialogue, plot, idea.
What was the plot?
