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Dead for 6 hours edition.
Scrub Authors GOODIE Bag
Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:
>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
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http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
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>Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
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>Fonts for your webcomic on Blambot:
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>Guide to promoting your comic:
http://miss-melee.tumblr.com/post/143483233951/
Trying out a new brush, what do you guys think? Use it in the comic or just use it for doodles outside of the comic?
Friend just started the artwork yesterday. I'm super excited, although feel kinda useless since I cannot draw.
>>84297675
Whoops! forgot pic!
>>84297907
It doesn't matter how many brushes you change or how many coloring techniques you try if you never bother to fix the underlying structure of the characters and learn the craft of making comics.
http://www.makingcomics.com/composition/
>>84298008
>Replying
Arguing with a rock would be more productive.
>>84297823
What's your comic going to be about?
>>84298360
Fantasy setting where a freedom fighter and an Angel team up to stop machine abominations from starting a world war.
If you want some more detail just let me know.
>>84298486
>Angels
>Freedom Fighters
>Machine Abominations
you just hit all three of my soft spots
>>84298103
I feel like we have to say it every few threads just so new people don't think we're letting his shit slide.
Even if it doesn't penetrate his skull (that would mean he'd actually have to bother reading anything) maybe someone else can get some use out of it.
>>84298008
Truth. The tripfag is definitely brain damaged in some regard though. Over 2 years and he draws nearly the same as he did at the start. Though I do get some schadenfreude from knowing that no matter how stupid I am, I will never be that stupid. Being so retarded that you not only can't learn, but can't process the fact that the fault is with you, is a special kind of inescapable hell. Feels good knowing that a couple years from now, he'll still be just as retarded.
>>84298008
Why are people trying to convince dewd to switch his art style when it looks fine by cartoon standards??? It's the mans drawing style , fuck off and leave him be ??????
>>84300114
t. dewd
>>84298008
you have no opinion here until you post your work buddy
>>84300233
at least is better than the ones posting about their incredible stories while they can't even draw a proper face
>>84300410
>>84300263
Coldfusion, everybody.
>>84300114
It looks garbage by any standard. "Cartoon" is not the same as "garbage." There's a reason Dustin doesn't get the same shit as dewd.
>>84299634
>Over 2 years and he draws nearly the same as he did at the start
I'm sick of this meme.
Dewd is shit, and stubborn, and retarded, and oblivious, and he will never be *good* but his current work is MILES ahead of when he first started West Tree.
>>84300263
Let's see your work, Coldfusion. Oh wait - you're no better than Dewd!
>>84300474
will you show me? or is it that you can't even do a porportioned figure? :^)
>>84300114
Because it's a huge detriment to his comic. 9 out of 10 people who see a page will go "ew, ugly" and not read it.
>>84300410
...Dewd CAN'T draw a proper face, that's part of the problem.
>>84300474
> you're no better than Dewd!
That's a bit harsh. CF's composition is miles ahead of Dewd, and he can actually draw a decent looking character on the rare occasion that he bothers to go outside of his terrible self-imposed no-detail chibi style.
>>84300114
Look. Art style isn't the only thing in making comics. Did you even notice that the page I linked isn't about the art but composition?
I don't know if you actually believe this or if you're just trying to bait more people into attacking Dewd to throw off the thread. It's not cute.
>>84300570
>>84300474
>>84300471
part of the problem here is that no one will listen to strangers on the internet unless they show their work, show us how you know your shit enough to criticize dewd
>>84300263
You fucking disgust me.
You wouldn't change your tune if anon was Jean God Damn Giraud, but you still have the gall to hide behind the fallacy that spectators cannot inform artists. You're resorting to a momentary "victory" with the backup of being able to ignore them if they challenge credibility.
In short, go fuck yourself.
But you know what? I'll humor you FOR anon. This pic is something I sketched up a week or two back. It's shit, but the reason I wouldn't be pelted with constant shitposts like Dewd is that actual effort was applied.
The limbs are extended beyond normal lengths to help confirm the impression of a frog, and the hips and forearms are wide to bring balance, keeping it from looking lanky. There's consistence in three dimensional space with the exception of the eyes, which are deliberately kept simple and appealing regardless of the angle.
Dewd doesn't try to have a consistent base for his characters or understand how or why the elements of his designs exist and coordinate. That's why he gets shit.
>>84300639
Everyone else takes anonymous crits. Being as petulant as you are is the exception, not the rule.
>>84300652
THICK
>>84300652
Don't humor coldfusion.
>>84300652
I'm not even comment your drawings, which are convenitently named as "last minute sketches" to show how fast and without effort you made them!
Don't get me wrong I'm not praising dewd's art, I'm just sick the way you nonchalantly insult other's artwork without proper advice, and if he doesn't take the advide, just ignore him why even bother?
>>84300570
>and he can actually draw a decent looking character on the rare occasion that he bothers to go outside of his terrible self-imposed no-detail chibi style
Pretty sure he just traces poses for those.
>>84301133
And copies the faces.
>tfw you wake up to a nice roast of coffee and dewd
>>84301133
>>84301144
What makes you say that?
Besides, even if he was making them by summoning demons into the material realm and making dark contracts with them, I don't care about the process, just the end result.
>>84301023
Stop getting butthurt when people tell you to learn to draw, Zach.
Hey, Dewd, would it help if one of us gave you an example of how your work could look a little better or less cluttered, that way you can have a visual reference or example of what we're talking about when we say shit about line weights and tangents and what not?
>>84300639
You don't need to be a chef to know when food tastes like shit, faggot.
>>84301324
No, it wouldn't because he doesn't WANT to learn. He believes he deserves praise for how it already is. And now he'll pretend to take the advice graciously, then take off his trip and continue to shitpost. Fuck him.
>>84301324
I think this energy would be better directed at other artists who are willing to put in the effort. There are plenty of new webcomic artists here who would benefit from such hands on advice, and seeing THEIR improvement would be more helpful for dewd. His problem is his attitude
>>84301554
I'd love to do redlines/redraws/etc of anyone's work here. I just picked Dewd because his stuff is so consistently "off" in ways that could be easily fixed with some tweaks
>>84301554
Does the fact that the link was directed at Dewd stop you from reading it?
>>84301397
of course not, I'm not saying a casual reader can't identify bad art, in fact bad art that lacks of structure always shows off, I've never seen any attempt from any of the posters here to deliver a somewhat decent drawing, from the carrion girls to undead uneducated to miss melee to racoon girl, every comic here has mediocre art,and dewd is definitely the most hideous one but I won't bitch every thread expecting things to change because everyone should be conscious enough not to deliver shit drawings, my problem though is with everyones attitude.
>>84301622
He was talking to someone who specifically said they'd give custom advice to him, not someone who gave a link to Dewd
>>84301660
>I've never seen any attempt from any of the posters here to deliver a somewhat decent drawing
wew
>every comic here has mediocre art
WEW
i am loving this
>>84301660
>carrion girls
I'd love to hear you go into detail, anon.
Always looking to improve!
>>84301023
>I'm not even comment your drawings
Thank you for proving what I said.
Since I obliged you, now you'll ignore my art and my point because it might make you feel like you are not "winning" an internet argument.
>convenitently named as "last minute sketches"
Fun Fact: I uploaded this exact same sketch a week ago when the thread was talking about frogs. Same filename and everything.
But please, attack my character based on filenames. I'm clearly conspiring against you.
>I'm just sick the way you nonchalantly insult other's artwork without proper advice
First of all, that's bullshit.
I never insulted Dewd. I said he doesn't put in the effort to understand his own character designs and explained elements of one of my own as an example. He does not understand his character's anatomy at all, and before you insist that "YEAH HE DOES", someone who understands anatomy would not accidentally draw a character's elbow in their forearm.
Second, I didn't say a damn thing until you started acting like a cunt and told that anon some fresh bullshit. I complied and you refuse to even humor my opinion. so again, go fuck yourself.
>If he doesn't take the advide, just ignore him why even bother?
Because he actively pesters the thread by asking for advice. This is why people get annoyed.
But none of this matters. No matter what I say you will convince yourself that you and Dewd are victims. Nothing could ever possibly deter you, so this is completely pointless.
>>84300652
wow fucking garbage, you're even worse than Dewd lol
[1/3]
Looking for feedback and improvements as well as just general reactions to what I've got so far for this chapter - especially with the new hatchings-based shadow technique I'm trying out.
Spoiler'd images are for mild artistic nudity. Nothing's showing but they are still naked. Also, gonna fix the face in page 2 panel 2 so it's blank and push up the hairline - it'll look a little weird for the moment.
>>84301831
[2/3]
>>84301826
t. dewd
>>84301727
>>84301852
[3/3] This one's still WiP.
>>84301826
love the smell of bait in the morning
>>84301831
already i like your values. unsure what's happening with her face on panel 2 page 2 though
>>84301873
very productive critique. good work
>>84301727
Not him, but you used to have really weak values and contrast and your face/head structure is still pretty hit or miss. Wouldn't kill you to work through some Bridgeman or life drawing.
>>84301660
Everything you listed is leagues beyond dewd.
Dewd's art looks like he still draws holding the pen vertically in his palm.
>>84301324
Like you want me to draw a picture with less lines? or you want me to give you a picture so you can help me out?
Either way, I'm happy to oblige!
>>84300841
>This is the best critique I'm gonna get.
It's pretty much what I deserve, though.
Thanks for looking it over, anon. Think I should tone down the hips? It's supposed to be exaggerated, but maybe it's too much.
>>84301965
I'm just slapping out a redraw for you to help illustrate some of my own personal critiques with your work, like line weight, line quality, sillhouette, etc
>>84301873
What's wrong with the proportions, exactly?
>>84301911
>face/head structure
Are you referring to the proportions of the face in relation to the head here, or just the head area in general?
PLS MAKE MORE GAY COMICS
>>84301831
The combination of tones and greyscale isn't working together. The large text boxes are ugly in a way I can't place. Maybe it's the font.
>>84301852
Trying to decipher the reading order here is unnatural. I know I should go to the left middle panel but I want to go to the right first. Changing the size of the font also changes the voice. Don't do that. Don't cramp the words.
>>84301963
Do you even know what Undead and Underdeveloped is? Methinks they named dropped themselves in that post.
>>84301727
Your coloring is really dull but I'm not sure if that's intentional because they're dead or something.
>>84301996
Try starting over after you actually learn to draw.
>>84302074
>I'm not sure if that's intentional
Eh, this latest scene is overcast so the colors are pretty dead, but it's not supposed to be a constant thing.
Is this page better?
>>84302072
Umm, I got a trap mini comic and a male/male/female comic with male on male action but we haven't gotten there yet.
And it's porn.
>>84302007
How's this?
>>84302038
General structure. It's like they don't have front/side/top/bottom planes even in the most general sense.
A lot of people don't use a bottom plane for who the hell knows what reason, but they cheat by only showing the face from three quarters with the viewer at the same level or above. Gunnerkrigg Court has done a lot of this if you want an example. Carrion Girls has all these interesting angles that the drawing (especially in the faces) frequently doesn't carry well yet.
A teacher with a boxier style, like Bridgman, would probably be more helpful than somebody who's all about tubes and balls and shit.
>>84302159
No. Push saturation. Did you use white in the grass?
>>84302074
> I know I should go to the left middle panel but I want to go to the right first.
I was wondering if it was just me. Hm. Having trouble figuring out why that is and how to fix it. Is that just because that panel's higher contrast due to all the black and white?
>>84302202
take the porn out and you've got a reader
>>84302265
No deal.
>>84302257
>Is that just because that panel's higher contrast due to all the black and white?
the text being so close in the first and third panels.
>>84302245
I should add that when I said hit or miss, I meant it as such. Sometimes there's structure, sometimes there's like nothing. I'm not sure of the cause.
>>84302336
Ah, that would make sense yeah. Well, at least it's easy to fix.
>>84301660
I don't deliver good art cause I draw it in my spare time, and I've never been given proper art classes. who cares, not like you guys pay to read it.
>>84302074
>Undead and Underdeveloped
I'm renaming my comic, I find this hilarious
>>84302394
>I draw it in my spare time, and I've never been given proper art classes.
Weak excuses kid. If you don't care if you suck don't make excuses for it. Embrace your failure head on.
>>84301996
Thiccer
>>84302471
This. If you want to make a comic, you need to improve your art. If you don't want to improve, then understand you can only go so far with it...likely not that far.Sorry.
>>84302229
That's actually a nice drawing, Dewd!
Here's my crit, bear in mind that these are all my personal visual preferences at play. I also didn't include it in the image but I think you ought to be a little more deliberate with your lines, they seem a little haphazard sometimes
>>84302639
>6
July is the 7th month.
>>84302675
OH... I'm sorry. I am a fool
>>84302639
Wow! Thank you very much! This will be very helpful for me!
Usually I try to make my edges as sharp as I can but That brush wouldn't let me for some reason, but again, thank you very much, I will try my hardest to aply this into my art.
>>84302248
>Push saturation
In the highlights, you mean?
If you mean in general, that seems like a really extreme level of saturation. Could you show me something that does this?
>Did you use white in the grass?
Well yeah, I was trying to replicate the specular reflection you get on vegetation. Now that you mention it, I guess I should have saved the white for hard-edged highlights and used a more yellowish color for blending purposes.
>>84302245
>>84302339
When you say "lower planes" do you mean the plane on the underside of the jaw or just ones that face more down than up?
>>84302471
I'm giving shit excuses so you guys don't waste time complaining about it. I'm starting art classes to help me improve, til then Ill make trash.
>>84302777
i think your "try your hardest" means "reply to a crit post saying you'll try your hardest"
repostan because end of thread
>>84302777
Try this! Instead of stopping your brush right at the end of the point, let your stroke go a little longer then use a hard-edged eraser to clean yourself up
Ya welcome, Dewd!
>>84297907
sarah when did you get so fuckin pale?
anyway no, i don't think this brush suits your comic. the nice clean lines you already had are the way to go, and you're having enough struggle keeping them from wobbling as it is.
>>84300474
>let's see your work, guy-who-i-already-know-who-you-are
that isn't even how that works.
>>84302934
Oh! I never thought of just erasing the lines, mainly because there's a pen setting in clip studio calle "sharpen edges" but It only works 50 percent of the time, so I'll just do that when it doesn't work.
>>84302785
Space between the chin/jawbone and neck.
>>84303051
I don't think that's what that tool does. What you want is to definitely use a brush that gets narrower as you let up pressure. That way MOST of the time, you can make points without trying.
then every so often you'll have to use this technique to get your points right, if they fail (and if they're really important, like on hair and claws and such)
>>84302639
someone who didn't bitch about the art and gave actual fucking input.
>>84302934
How do you make sure not to erase more than you should and ending with a corner that looks like somebody took a bite ouf of it?
My OCD is bad enough as it is.
>>84303101
in fairness some of that input is input he's been given before (by me) but some of it is also things he WAS trying to do, and simply couldn't using this new brush he's experimenting with.
I actually know how he feels, constantly realizing there are SO MANY different tools you could use in art, and wanting to use ALL of them... but you just can't if you don't want things to be a mess. you have to slowly learn tools one at a time, and keep things consistent-per-product
>>84303169
It's as if no ones perfect, and expecting all of us to be god tier artists in a single day is fucking stupid.
>>84303214
No one's expecting that at all.
People heap praise on "okay" art here all the time.
>>84303098
I dunno, I'm not sure I know anyone who can make perfect points without using the eraser technique.
>>84303158
shitto i don't know man. I think your best bet would be to try and keep an eye on the direction your curves would be going? It takes practice
>>84303098
Oh actually wait hold on, you are aboslutely right about getting a brush with thickness dependent on pen pressure. I'm an idiot. I don't know how to read
I had an /hyw/ crossover dream last night.
This is in the present day. The Sisters, the fat one and the skinny one whose names I don't remember, are traveling through somewhere desolate in North America. It felt to me like one of the Dakotas. Anyway, they kill a guy who they don't like, who nobody liked, for a definitely magic-related reason but it's never explained, and wind up at a boarding house where the Carrion Girls are living (it makes sense that it would be North Dakota here which has the highest population of people with direct Nordic ancestry in the USA). So they're staying there (the interior of which is my grandparent's old house) and at that point the viewpoint shifts from it's a movie to I'm the viewpoint character and somehow I'm sharing a room with them at night, them sharing one bed and me alone in a bed next to them, since I'm a light sleeper (which is true IRL) I'm awoken by them talking about their plans to leave (at some point during that convo a psychedelic experience that the fat one wasn't prepared for is mentioned (that I mention as being caused by synthetic psilocin, I was almost definitely referring to one of many synthetic psilocin analogues that are available on the designer drug market) and they use magic to make their escape, either by turning into ants or making themselves so small they ride ants to escape. I try squishing ants in the room but they get away, even though I never saw them get away. I run off to get Skalmöld, who is looking in the fridge for something, and after a profanity-laced conversation where we're both freaking out that they got away (despite not having a reason for not wanting them to escape - there was no indication that either of us knew they killed that guy) she agrees to use magic to help locate them, only we have to kill somebody who has at least 50 years of natural life left to be able to pull the spell off.
>continued in next post
>>84303367
I suggest an infant but Skalmöld has a heart and suggests a 30-year old prostitute, somewhere in the conversation there I praise modern science for allowing people to live so long that even that drug-addled whore has 50 years of life left in her (edgy as fuck, I swear I'm not usually like this). [scene missing] (not that I don't remember, it literally just "cut" in the dream to later) and we find out The Sisters are in Utah and we set out to get them, then it cuts to The Sisters trekking across desolate badlands/plains where they come across a village and they're talking about killing another guy, Lowlife Louie (whose name is directly stolen from a pro wrestler) and then the dream kind of goes off the rails, segueing into other topics, and then it segues to me in bed, recounting the dream of the crossover to my dad who's writing it down and at one point he shows his progress and his progress is "Four Chapter Long Novel" and then I woke up.
Probably one of my best dreams ever, definitely top 10, maybe even top 5.
>>84302854
Maybe you should stop posting your stats then.
>>84175618
For not caring you care enough to try to show off.
Ok froggy dude, here's the drawing I did applying your advice, how did I do?
>>84303527
It's just something to feel proud of, knowing people follow it even though I think it's garbage makes me want to keep working on it. also Its not like I don't know others in this thread are way more successful than me anyway.
>>84303563
>six fingers
good thumb and index finger shape at least. no hotdogs.
I KNEW I WASN'T CRAZY!!!
I KNEW CARRION GIRLS GUY WAS DANISH!!!
http://desuarchive.org/co/thread/84018072/#84036537
>>84302785
http://androidarts.com/art_tut.htm
>>84303563
Not frog boy but I did your redraw and honestly this is looking a lot better!
>>84303591
It's considered bad form to post your specific stats in /hyw/. Not even Scribblehatching here. It just leads to shitposting, jealousy, and/or dick waving (which is what you're doing when you post stats).
>>84303658
Ah ok, well anyways, thank you for the help!
>>84303563
It looks more like you just copied surface level elements from
>>84302639
's advice, but at the very least it's more readable.
You're still missing basic details like
>>84303594
pointed out and you really, REALLY should take the time to study three dimensional space and anatomy...but it's something, way cleaner and more coherent than usual.
I can respect that you try, even if you don't apply the advice you get very well most of the time.
>>84303591
So you do care. Stop complaining.
>>84303729
i don't think i'd go as far as to say it's officially forbidden or anything, just that we have one or maybe two people doing it all the time and it's getting irritating.
once in a while someone genuinely asks like 'hey let's all share our stats' and i see nothing wrong with participating in that, though I wouldn't do it myself.
>>84302124
Come on anon, be constructive.
>>84303064
Hm, that's curious. I don't particularly go about trying to avoid showing the underside of their heads, but I'll try and keep an eye out in the future.
It's probably got something to do with not seeing the underside of people's heads much IRL.
Anyway, you do see the underside of Skeggöld's jaw in the first panel of the bottom row, here - is it up to snuff?
>>84303600
I can see why you'd be confused. TAW is one of the most respected animation schools in Europe. They teach in English and they've got students and teachers from all over.
>>84303634
Could you be a little more specific? I've read through that before and I'm not sure how it relates.
>>84303367
>>84303406
>tfw you have a great dream about /hyw/ characters and share it but the thread is too busy shitposting to give you the time of day
>>84303994
The colors are dull. I don't know how to say that any further or explain it any harder than parts of that link.
If you weren't trying to be so detailed It might not be a detriment but the people need to pop more.
>>84304347
It's dumb dude no one cares.
>>84304403
i've been noticing this lately with blended colors.. of course i always try to stay in the middle. i have the opposite problem, of things being too saturated. this is interesting.. buuut i definitely think carriongirls is using the right tones for the right lighting. on sunny days everything's intense, on overcast days everything's drab.
also, i cared a little about someone's webcomic thread inspired dream, til finding out it was evidently a feelsposter.. or maybe it wasn't and that guy is just falsefagging
>>84303563
There's a few places where you're using two lines where one will do. The upper line of the ears and the ear curl could all be a single line, as could the lower line of the nose and the nostril. Also the line of the hair that crosses behind the ear - draw that in as one line, certainly at the pencils stage. The lines across the hair are flat, they should follow the shape of the head more.
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In EtMotL related news, I was using the end of last month to set up my strip on Tapastic, and get my Patreon ready to go live on the 1st of July. Then I'd be all set to continue working on the current mini story-arc.
On the 30th of June I came down with chickenpox, which I've never had before, so the last week has been fun.
>>84304473
>starting a patreon before you have a fanbase
Why do people keep doing this?
>>84304508
Because people don't know how Patronage works now adays
>>84304347
There's not really much to say about it, Anon.
>>84304403
Oh do you mean the skin tones, specifically? I thought you meant stuff like the grass wasn't green enough.
>>84304473
Hey, I've been meaning to ask - did comixology really classify your comic as 9+ ?
>>84304508
Why would you assume he has no fanbase?
>>84304594
>Why would you assume he has no fanbase?
No one here does. When someone hits a good milestone they fuck off.
>>84298103
Thanks bro
>>84304740
I have a fanbase.
>>84302336
>>84302074
How's this instead of tone + grayscale?
>>84304594
>did comixology really classify your comic as 9+ ?
Following comixology's rating guidelines, I rated them at 15+, solely because a few instances of strong language was enough to tip them into that bracket.
Without the strong language, I see no reason why they wouldn't go down to 9+. Which is why I've prepped a PG version for the next time I go to print issue #1, and which will be the version to run on Tapastic.
>>84305051
Yes.
>>84305129
Has the Comixology people okayed it? (I don't know the process here)
I noticed that the 9+ only allowed for 1-2 depictions of
> mild realistic, bloodless violence.
Which seems like the kind of level you're usually going for when monsters or bad guys show up.
I figured it might get pushed into 12+ territory which might impact how much or how little you wanted to tone down the language, but I was banned at the time so I forgot to mention it 'till now.
Finished this page!
>>84305368
i cna't believe webcomics in the modern day are doing this kind of shit. even print comics never fell into that
>>84305611
Gotta protect the kids from themselves, man.
>>84305611
>even print comics never fell into that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics_Code_Authority
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Rating_System
http://www.dccomics.com/ratings
I don't really see the problem with ratings so long as there's no monolithic CCA-level pressure that means some comics just can't get published.
>>84305828
those last two don't exist. and yes i shouldn't have said 'never' since yeah the comics code, but yknow, we got OUT of that.
>>84305368
The three current issues have been on sale on Comixology (at 15+) since December last year. I don't think I'll be changing those versions as I'd probably have to delete the current listings and resubmit them if I wanted a lower rated comic, and having two subtly different versions of the same comic would just be confusing.
>>84305611
Print comics never did it in the first place, thanks to the Comics Code Authority.
Webcomics have never done "this kind of shit", and still aren't.
If you want to sell your comics via Comixology, then you have to apply an age rating according to their guidelines. You know what else also has age ratings? Video games, movies and tv shows.
Han still shoots first, chocolate ration is still 30 grams, and your childhood is not ruined.
>>84305828
>I don't really see the problem with ratings so long as there's no monolithic CCA-level pressure that means some comics just can't get published.
Then you're stupid.
>>84305828
If you don't see the problem with ratings, you haven't been paying any attention.
>>84305908
>You know what else also has age ratings? Video games, movies and tv shows.
Yeah, so why does Comixology want to be a failure like them? Traditionally, anything you can think of as literature gets a pass.
>>84303994
I didn't mean you avoid showing it. Others do that. You show it, but your handling is hit or miss. I'm not sure the meeting with the neck looks quite right yet here, but I'm phone posting so the panel is tiny for me right now. Might try for better feedback when I get home.
>>84305915
Why don't you educate us then.
I'm going to make every good aligned character in my comic ethnic/LGBT, while all the villains are straight white dudes. Just so I can bathe in the tears of the butthurt morons who make their sacred duty to bitch about it.
>>84305942
While not at the same level as the multi-billion dollar-per-year TV, movie, and video game industries, Comixology (owned by Amazon) doesn't seem to be failing.
Please explain - why do you see having age rating guidelines as a bad thing?
>>84306049
Already did that. No one noticed because I didn't make a big deal out of it.
>>84306049
Believe it or not, this is actually already considered old-hat at this point.
>>84306024
unlike some people, i don't have such an inflated ego that I think I'm capable of succeeding at something that eons of history apparently failed at.
>>84306049
Wow that'll make you webcomic liberal #98761400 who has done that original idea.
Congrats
>>84306245
>taking it seriously and replying to it
>>84305430
so you ship mercy and mccree?
I miss when Spacecat was still updating
>>84306221
Why wouldn't you decide not to explain your reasoning to someone that is genuinely curious? Other than you don't actually care and want to shitpost about how clever you are.
>>84306298
Nah, Mercy and Soldier 76.
I have manga studio 5 and Gimp, what can I do with these two programs?
>>84306439
because it's unpleasant and i have very low hopes that you would understand.
>>84306717
More important question, what do you WANT to do with those two programs?
Also, Krita's free and IMO much better than GIMP at everything, go check it out.
>>84306759
I don't really know what I want to do since I don't know what I can do
>>84307365
Well, I don't know much about Manga Studio, but Krita and GIMP are basically slightly shittier versions of photoshop.
So you can basically do whatever you want.
Is this the right thread to ask for drawing advice? I don't have a webcomic or anything (yet) and I'm new to all this
>>84307566
Go ahead, but you should check out /ic/ or maybe the batman drawthread here in /co/ if you're just looking for general drawing advice.
>>84307566
Batman thread is better for general drawing advice than this one.
>>84307566
>>84307635
If you want advice on drawing comic strips, then here's as good a place as any.
For general art advice, ask Batman:
>>84279949
>>84306717
Use MS5 to make a comic page from start to finish.
Use GIMP to resize and crop out single panels for promotional purposes.
One feature I miss from MS4 is the ability to export a selection as an image. In MS5 you can only export the whole page.
what type of drawing tablet should I get? Something easy to wot with and be money conscious.
>>84306750
I'm sorry being helpful is hard. Go back to bed grandpa.
>>84307862
Just get a small wacom.
Size in tablets isn't very important, since you can just zoom in.
>>84307801
you cant just copy, new image, paste, save? or crop, save?
Note to self: next time don't go for fancy lighting or you'll start hating yourself again.
Disregarding the contrast between white foreground and black background, which looks better quality-wise, top or bottom?
Space Cunts 6
>>84308140
howcome you havent updated your site?
>>84308306
Good question. Doing it now.
>>84308086
are you really asking 'what looks better, soft shading or no shading or even grays' ? because there are a lot more options
>>84307926
Ok thanks
Finished this page. I'm not the greatest colorist in the world but sometimes less is more, I think.
>>84308140
This is hilarious and I want you to know that
>>84308433
Thank you! I like your stuff a lot, I'm no good at describing or critiquing art but I find your background, the sketchier lines, very evocative.
>>84308317
Site's up to date, all new comics from here:
http://overfiend.smackjeeves.com/comics/2300775/space-cunts/
>>84308433
Nice. I like the muted palette but I think it might look nice if you had some more hue variation in those first two panels, like maybe making the shade in the background a little redder or bluer.
>>84308333
I'm not sure if I understand your question; I'm asking if top looks better than bottom or not because I'm not confident in my shading at all, especially the clothing. I'll probably keep going with the shading since it was supposed to be a practice comic anyway, but I'm interested in opinions.
>>84308140
This is better than I expected it to be.
>>84308433
Simple colors are definitely fine, I'm more concerned about the shading. Sketchy, rather heavy brush strokes hide colors a lot and I'm not sure if it's the intended effect.
>>84308614
well neither one looks apropriate. i would like to see cel shading and/or flat grays
>tfw you try to save a focused hour's work and the program crashes and you give up for the day
>>84308807
Traditional ftw
>>84308807
why the fuck do u feel so much
>>84308493
Thanks! Also, I've started reading through your archive and it's all great. Funny stuff.
>>84308592
You're a genius. I don't like applying the red to the second panel but I think applying red to the first helps to both contrast it to the second and transition from the red in the opening title better.
>>84308614
If you mean the sketchy lines for the backgrounds and the coat, then yes. All intentional. For the backgrounds it makes the bright colors in the foreground pop while making the background appear darker. The same concept is used for the jacket, but to make the hair stick out more. Plus I just like the way it looks.
>>84305908
Whats the name of your comic?
>>84305430
Stop injecting the media you consume into your webcomic.
>>84309211
"Experience the Magic of the Legend"
www.favouritecrayon.co.uk
>>84305910
There's literally nothing wrong with ratings you fucking retard.
>>84309242
Your right I'm sorry.
I will finally stop referencing Tank! Tank! Tank! In my comic. Doing it in chapter 5 was risky enough, I was pushing it with this page.
>>84309490
thought you were being snarky. then i looked it up and found out that's a real game. I thought it was just a cute fake game name you came up with.
Oh well, having a wiiu game on an nes cartridge in the far future is still pretty funny.
I wish ColdFusion and Dewd fucks each other. Then both of them get AIDS and die.
>>84309604
this guy never fails to suck dewd's dick at the earliest opportunity
>>84309604
I could have sworn that game is old as fuck. Maybe it's just my shitty memory.
>>84310033
apparently it is.. which is pretty sad. it's not even a wiiu original but an arcade port. and parts of it actually look pretty good, but they made it meaningless by not including online multiplayer. but i like some of the mecha i'm seeing
I see a lot of talented artists here, how many of you want to make a living off of this?
>>84312215
id love to but itll take awhile for that to happen
>>84312215
I'd love become a pro comic artist, even if my work's not quite up to snuff right now.
I'd probably have better luck getting hired to draw webcomics for an amateur writer than getting successful with my original work, but I'm gonna hang on to the webcomic dream for now 'cause I just enjoy making comics.
>>84312215
Me. I'm not expecting it to happen anytime soon, but I'm patient and stubborn.
I don't know if I'd ever want it to be the only thing I do, though - how can an author have anything interesting to say if he spends all day holed up inside drawing comics?
>>84312215
It's doubtful I'll ever be good enough or tell a story that's broad enough that'll win me enough fame and audience to make a living from it.
>>84313219
never give up anon!
>>84312215
obviously everyone wants to make a living
not everyone necessarily wants to put in the work that would possibly entail
>>84313624
>obviously everyone wants to make a living
Hell no. Turning one fun thing into my living already made me hate it, I don't want another one to share the same fate.
>>84314703
If you weren't a child, you could still have fun with that thing being your living.
>>84314703
perhaps i phrased it wrong
everyone wishes they could just magically have money in exchange for doing what they already do
but sometimes once you have that money, suddenly you have to do a bunch of new shit you didnt realize you had to
>>84312215
That's the dream, but I'm fine with art being a hobby for now.
>>84305430
Dewd your comics are kinda sexy in there own ugly way , you have any stuff with more varied Angles?
since thread seems to be dead, let's talk about our biggest influences in our artwork!
>>84315450
and maybe they have to guess who we are
but no fair if you already know
>>84315233
I just wrote a whole paragraph about Angel because That's what I thought you typed, lol.
But yes, I do vary up my angles from time to time when it calls for it, usually fight scenes. Why do you ask? You need them for reference? Or just a good wank?
![NessSSB[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/vx4BFDB.gif "NessSSB[1].gif")
>>84315553
also:
Did that one anon ever finish that size chart full of the HYW OCs? I was really curious how it was going to turn out.
>>84315580
A good wank, post your site damn it
>>84315643
Have the old one? we could always finish it ourselves.
Page WIP. Just need to add speech bubbles, but not sure if I want to touch up the backgrounds some more.
>>84315450
Lots of animu. Kaneoya Sachiko, Funamusea/Deep Sea Prisoner, Adachitoka, and probably a ton more artists I can't remember right now.
>>84315784
No, I would of done that if I had it. I didn't think to save it at the time though.
>>84315755
Ok Ok, here it is, http://freakanimes.info/westtree/
There are a few nude parts around chapters 7, 8, and 10.
Ok, so here's my problem. The protagonist is a fairly inexperienced person (I have reworked this character to death to have them represent the reader, having them and the reader learn about the world around them at the same pace)
This protagonist has a mentor, albeit closer to their age than a normal mentor should be, but the mentor will generally represent where the protagonist wishes to be (and as the mentor itself grows, so does the protagonists goals)
Now, as the story goes on, there are challenges, naturally. Usually in the form of antagonists and other times in the form of goals becoming increasingly harder to pass. What my problem is, it is that as the story progresses, the challenges get harder, but some of the challenges I have put before the protagonist, neither the protagonist, nor the mentor, nor the mentor's mentor has completed. I find it difficult to stretch the expectation that the protagonist can realistically meet the goals and thus I have antagonists yet to be defeated and challenges incomplete. As much as I like the idea of moving forward through failure, I do not want to make it a theme.
>>84316077
you dont have a mentor just so you can ask a guy who's been there
you ask him how he's handled situations like this in the past, where suddenly it's a problem he's NEVER faced before, and wtf should he do
>>84316077
If you don't want to let your protagonist fail that much, find out a way to let them win. Let your protagonist use their strengths to work their way out of the problem. Your character's inexperienced, but maybe they're got the determination to power through and win in the end, shounen style.
What's the plot/setting of your story? I could probably say something more insightful knowing that.
>>84316180
Its not that I let the protagonist constantly fail, its that I cannot help but continue to place the goalpost further down until it becomes unrealistic to achieve that goal.
>>84316272
move it more slowly, ya dingus!
>>84316272
If you're going to keep moving the goalpost, you gotta let your character learn and grow too. With every adventure your character's gonna get a little tougher and more experienced. If they aren't tough enough by the end, do what Dragonball Z did and throw some scenes of the characters training. Just what is your protagonist's end goal(s)?
>>84316077
Mentors usually haven't completed every task their apprentice will be up against, they just give them advice and support to complete them. Morpheus had never defeated the machines and saved humanity but without his help Neo wouldn't of been able to do so. The mentor doesn't need to know EVERYTHING, just a lot more than who they're teaching. There could be failure that leads to success later on or the main character could accomplish a smaller task that helps him get in the mindset to accomplish a larger one a la Karate Kid. There's many options.
It would really help to know more specifics though.
>>84316077
you're describing bleach's soul society arc
>>84316077
also this sounds like every other anime "EVIL GROUP WE MUST DEFEAT"-arc, as I said bleach does this a lot, as well as hitman reborn, as well as saint seiya
>>84316419
Growth is the general goal, that as long as there is more potential to be realized, then it shall be realized.
The mentor in question, while only a year older than the protagonist, is considered by most to be a prodigy, but believes the protagonist will one-day surpass them and the mentor is motivated to prove that while growing themself.
>>84316455
Bleach is a little bit inspiring to me, but nothing overt.
>>84316547
no disrespect friend but this is bleach's soul society arc
ichigo=apprentice and protagonist with several enemies and failures
soul captains or whatever=enemies, each one stronger than the last
urahara=young mentor, a prodigy that knows ichigo will be better than him
aizen=the impossible force he knows no matter how hard he tries he won't be able to defeat (at least that season)
>>84316547
That's the issue, you're tying to write an endless shounen. Your character should have a concrete goal, like "find the Dragonballs" or "become a super hero" or "defeat a gay vampire," and then let your character grow so that they can reach the concrete goal. If your character's only goal is to "grow" your story is going to be an aimless mess.
So tell me, what are the concrete goals of your character?
>>84316541
I want to say that its not, but those were the kind of things that inspired me to make someting in the first place.
>>84316636
Oversimplifications, but I see your point
>>84316649
Its not endless, I have a concrete ending. As far as the goals for the protagonist, its about finding the full extent of their potential, and how they fit into an ever stranger world. I have oversimplified everything about my project
>>84316636
>he thinks bleach invented the most basic adventure story of history
>>84316832
I'm not saying it invented it though, as I said before there were more shounens that did that, I just happen to know that one really well
the point is that anon is making yet ANOTHER shonen with somewhat generic story
>>84316895
Generic in the sense that it has a protagonist,a goal, and an occasional antagonist.
>>84316895
yeah good point.
i think the real issue is the lack of context. these shounen anime are channeling ancient epic tales that intentionally span on ludicrously long, and stringing the audience along as far as possible. if that's what you wanna do with your comic, fine. there's a way to do it. you just need to move those damn goalposts SLOWLY. dwell for a while in each stage. think about it like a video game. you don't get an upgrade and then immediately finish the level before you can use it, then get another one at the beginning of the next one.
>>84316953
I plan these out to be fairly short arcs, and 3 places i could easily end the story if i chose not to continue. Currently trying to limit the first arc to 12, 45 - 50 page chapters, using western comic structure as a template with self-contained goals yet still be part of a larger story. If people like it, ill make more. Otherwise I'll have no problem walking away with that ending
>>84317019
what's the setting?
>>84317140
Semi urban area, not suburban, but not a NY style setting either.
>When you realize you accidentally reversed the character positions after coloring and have to flip all the panels ant the characters don't look like a Picasso.
In a world where Mages are the Scientists and Engineers, you sir are the magic equivalent of the IT guy
>>84317456
who what? is this the premise of a comic? because i like that. pretty sure i've never seen a comic about a magical repairman
>>84316077
>I find it difficult to stretch the expectation that the protagonist can realistically meet the goals and thus I have antagonists yet to be defeated and challenges incomplete.
If the challenges they protagonists encounter get progressively harder, should the characters then not be more experienced with each Adventure? (This goes for both the protag and the mentor). Hell, a "mentor"'s role is fiction is more often than not to die and pass on the torch to the hero who'll eventually surpass them.
Alternatively, not every battle has to be won with brawn; if the protagonist can outsmart the physically stronger antagonist and ruin their plan, it's still a victory for the main character.
How did you come up with the name of your main character?
i have managed to find a fitting name for all my characters except for the main guy and a girl that was very important him
for some reason the puns i come up with aren't working as well as they worked with other characters
i think i just have to come up with 2 names that sound innocent but strong at the same time and that have a nice ring when you say them together
>>84316077
Well, one of the things I've learned in regards to fights is this: every fight needs to fit into the plot (duh) but also every fight revolves around weakness and disadvantage, rather than strength. To get good tension in a fight your character needs to overcome these weaknesses and disadvantages in order to pull out a win. Now, making that satisfying is the hard part.
But this does mean that if you have a plot that somehow revolves around fights you can start tailoring your solutions to your character's experience level. At the beginning he wins through sheer luck perhaps, but then later he starts using his environment more, he starts using the techniques his mentor is teaching him.
The purpose of a one sided fight is to show off a character's capacities. But for the purposes of building tension, the audience needs to know your characters' weaknesses more than they need to know what theyre ultimately capable of. Its a balancing act, but you can definitely mess around with it over time.
>>84318491
what are those names
btw top tier patrician names are: tom, obby, nathan, gustavo
>>84318491
i either use straight up nouns or i put syllables that sound good together
>>84318491
Once while I was really tired someone shouted "mildew!" and for a second I wondered "who's Mildew?" I realized the word sounded kind of like a feminine name, and decided to just name my MC that because it fitted her demeanor.
>>84318549
why don't you make the protagonist a fat tactician? that way is more interesting to see how he wins instead of being a ripped fighter that uses brute force
>>84318746
this is a fun concept.
the MC of my comic is relatively weak compared to the honchos that he faces, so basically he uses underhanded tactics to win his fights. this is done through lying, misdirections, and faking injuries. it's a blast to write compared to the head-on brute fighter archetype.
>>84318746
i wrote about the fights but im not >>8436077 but you do pretty much prove my point about a fight needing tension and being more interesting when there is tension. a fat tactitian has to rely on different moves and strategies than the standard shonen protag, and the way they think their way through their problems would be interesting to see, provided you dont repeat the same strategy over and over. The fat tactitian's weaknesses are more interesting story-wise than a buff fighter's physical strengths
>>84318491
friend of mine came up with it, she used it in our roleplay games back in the old days.
what kind of setting is this? we can help
>>84318491
I was trying to think of an eastern/foreign sounding game that still sounded like 'death'.
'Shi' is death in Japanese so I think I built on that subconsciously.
Ultimately, her name became 'Voshim' after I tried a few combinations because I liked that one best; it felt vaguely feminine, sounded good when whispered, and sounded right when matched with this ancient mythical goddess of death.
>>84318491
I usually put meanings in my character's name, you can do this at http://www.behindthename.com/ and just filter to search for meanings and you'll get a good amount of stuff depending on what you're looking for. Sometimes I only take inspiration from this and change it into fantasy names
>>84318491
i just think of really dumb puns and go with that. my protag is a sheep-human kid named Shepard. The fat and sweet character is named Brioche. There's a shark man named Jaques C. the villain is Valerie Halla. Puns are amazing.
>>84318491
sometimes the act of rejecting a suggestion can tune you in to what you DO want (ask yourself why this suggestion is wrong, then what would fulfill that)
innocent and strong names that sound good together, for a dude and a lady? Armand and Tanya
>>84318491
I give my characters people names because they are people. No puns. No secret meanings. Just names people have.
>>84319446
those are hard to remember.
>>84318491
I used a theme naming from birds since I was writing short stories involving bird symbolism
yeah it's pretty cringy
>>84319719
the thing with birds, and doubly so with plants, is there's so goddamn many of them and they're named after the most obscure bullshit, that you can basically name anything after a plant or a boid.
i recently found out ALL the characters in pokemon are named after plants. even the ones with other, more obvious theme names. they're also plants. fire guy? fire plant. mist girl? mist plant. plant girl? plant plant
Bumpu.
Someone needs a hug.Would you?
>>84322069
Nah, I can't go around hugging children that aren't my own. The pedo witch hunts are pretty strong around here.
>>84322093
The character is around 15-ish... not really a young young child buy yeah, there's that.
>>84297534
oh god why did i think this was a good idea
if i start drawing my webcomic now, i'll get better by the end of a short webcomic arc right?
>>84323160
Nigger are you funnin' us here?
