What, specifically, is /co/'s problem with this show?
they really wanted to like it and it let them down
>>84287523
Right, but in what ways? I love this show, and I'd like to know why all the hate.besides the art, I'm not a fan of the anime style either
>>84287659
Many plots depend on the characters acting unintelligent and sometimes even witless.
>>84287659
Given its pedigree, it should have been way better than it turned out to be. It was like the creators watched a few seasons of Game of Thrones and wanted to do something similar but with less than half the runtime and a quarter of the skill. The first two seasons suffer from incredibly dumb plot twists, forced relationship drama, and characters doing the most idiotic things possible because ???
its shit
>>84287168
> ITT: I hate that /co/ hates my fav show :(((
Pruned plz.
>>84287168
sjw's
search your feelings you know thus to be true.
>>84287659
1) the writers were never able to create a good, coherent story. this problem was initially blamed on the network not giving them enough notice that they would be renewed, but when the problem persisted even after more seasons were assured it became apparent the problem was with the writing team itself
2) they also failed to create chemistry between the characters, and due to problem 1, most characters never found a niche in the story where they could fulfill a meaningful role providing banter and/or moving the story along. so you have all of these extraneous characters who dont mesh with each other and who are just kind of there, plodding along with no direction
the specific complaints you will see about things like the love triangle in season 1, or the bad season finales, or the bad villain characterization, all stem from those two problems. and those two problems both stem from poor writing generally. i never paid close attention to the behind the scenes stuff, but if i had to guess i would say this was most likely caused by the creativity guys getting into a position of power where they didnt have any oversight from more grounded individuals who could keep the project focused. kind of how Lucas fucked up star wars when he got too influential to reign in
Why just co?
Every sane and impartial person had a problem with this show.
Bolin was an okay character when he was interacting with Verrik. Mako was an okay character when he was interacting with Prince Wu. Neither of these characters are entertaining when they're around each other or Korra. Hell, Asami and Bolin were the only two in the core group who played off each other well, and they interacted for all of two scenes.
>>84287798
>I'm butthurt /co/ isn't more of a hivemind
>I know, I'll unreasonably lash out at anyone who has any opinion at all
>>84287168
>What, specifically, is /co/'s problem with this show?
Same problem as the others who kept dropping it, leading to such a massive dip in ratings that episode 3 of season three just barely pulled in over 1.1 million views.
>But that was just bad advertising and timeslot!
Episode 1/2(It was an hour long combined) pulled in 1.4.
Episode 3 came on immediately afterwards. Not next week immediately, IMMEDIATELY.
They lost 300K views in the span of Three consecutive episodes.
This is one of the rare cases, like with Fan4astic, that /co/ actually synced up with the majority and dropped this shit.
>>84288045
> I'm butthurt /co/ isn't more of a hugbox
> I know, I'll shill threads about the shit I like and complain to anyone who has any other opinion than mine at all.
Slit your fucking throat and fuck off.
>>84287168
Book one crushed a lot of expectations, and of cause MaKorra happened.
Book two was just bad. Seriously, what the fuck was that?
Everything else was okay to good.
>>84288090
Then it got so bad they straight up pulled the rest of season 3 from the air and showed it only online. And despite them claiming "No, the show is totally doing fine, this is where it was always making it's money!" Season 4 had it's budget immediately slashed, leading to them needing to do the infamous clipshow due to being the cost of an entire episode short but still having to deliver 13 episodes. Korra hemorrhaged money, and even blu ray couldn't help it. You want to know how bad it did on Blu Ray? Do you really want to see just how deep the fucked hole goes?
http://www.the-numbers.com/home-market/dvd-sales-chart/2015/03/15
When it was released, it seriously lost to Flintstones and the WWE Stone Age Smackdown. That's how bad it was. People looked at Korra book 4, and fucking Fred Flintstone, a damn fifty year old character, getting into a wrestling match with the WWE was more tempting than the follow up to the show that broke records for it's ratings and dvd sales.
Bryke fucked up more than anyone thought they could.
>>84288229
>Slit your fucking throat and fuck off.
Remember when /co/ was love?
I blame the Ponies. Ironic, given their slogan...
>>84287168
Nothing, I really liked it. Sure some things could have gone better but meh nothing really ruined it for me. Can not wait for the comics, though I think they have been delayed.
>>84287168
Top tier basis material for brown girl porn. Characters in their upper teens should not have more blunders than a 12 year old orphan.
>>84288325
>Check next week for sales
>Korra didn't even chart
Are you fucking kidding me?
>>84287168
gay
>>84288325
See the problem with everything you said is its just theory. There is no proof one way or the other that what the creatore said was true or not. Certainly there are things like the trailer got record breaking views on you tube. But there is also the fact that the show had almost no audience on tv. So people cherry picking stuff isn't really an argument.
I do sometimes think that the complaints are tied up with the general feeling that animated television has been largely left out of the "Golden Age of TV." It attempted to create a cable drama format within the confines of an action cartoon, with an unstable result. Honestly, the first Avatar series was only created because Nick wanted to capitalize on the success of Harry Potter and the Prequel Trilogy, they didn't seem to have much of a game plan for shepherding it this time around.
That said, I don't think it deserves to be hated, and I can appreciate the novelty of this kind of an action show compared to the usual superhero fare.
Eh, I wouldn't say it was bad per se, although it has some baffling moments. But for the most part I got the impression the creators had no idea what they were doing, they just had a vaguely defined end point and were basically slugging their way there without trying to present anything engaging. The characters, the plot, the dialogue, the jokes, the animation, even the music, it was all so bland and uninteresting. White noise television.
>>84288090
I like how you ignore that Book 3 was not advertised at all and had the release date announced by a trailer the week before it aired and that the first three episodes leaked.
>>84288472
That's what happens when you don't advertise your series, liks Nickelodeon did.
>>84287168
>Seasons 1 & 4
Good ideas, a lot of promise, and a lackluster and rushed finale.
>Season 2
Pretty bad all the way through. Boring subplots, inconsequential character "development."
>Season 3
I would argue that Season 3 is just as good as any Avatar season. Korra was finally interesting and the villains were top-notch.
Overall, I don't really understand the hate. Obviously, Avatar is better in every conceivable way, but that doesn't make Korra wholly bad.
>>84288613
>I like how you ignore that Book 3 was not advertised at all and had the release date announced by a trailer the week before it aired and that the first three episodes leaked.
I like how he addressed this exact thing.
>>84288517
You're outright wrong. The ratings and sales for dvd's and Blu Ray are not a theory, those are numbers. Those are hard, solid, tangible numbers people can point to. It doing well online is a theory, because there is no information. If Bryke actually got their funds cut for season four and had to do a clip show is up for debate if they're liars, money launders or what have uou, but regardless they didn't have enough to complete the season, and thus their normal budget was lower, that's a fact. Why it was lower? Make up a theory if you want, but the fact is, Korea Book 4 lost to Fred Flintstone in a wrestling match, and 300K people saw the hour long opener for Season 3 and said "that's plenty."
>>84288646
No he didn't, completely ignored the leaks
I just wanted a jazz number.Pro-bending was pretty fun, wish a bit more was done with it.
>>84288325
>a damn fifty year old character
that's not really a negative.
I don't think that's a great example
For a lot of the beginning of this show. I got the air of a "Mary Sue" vibe from Korra herself.
First season I had no trouble with the pro-bending or other things. It served a purpose to her: "Pro Bending helps me understand Airbending to some degree."
However, how the plot plays out: In the span of one episode, Korra starts suspecting Asami's father for supplying weapons to a band of extremists, and rather than spend time to prove one way or another... it was like the universe itself changed itself to prove Korra right. She could never be wrong.
It was even worse in Season 2. Except then it was coupled with a massive idiot plot. Everyone involved had to be an idiot in order for the bad-guy's plan to move forward.
>>84287895
/thread
>>84289424
>and rather than spend time to prove one way or another... it was like the universe itself changed itself to prove Korra right. She could never be wrong.
She overheard a conversation and Lin reached for a motive.
The universe itself changing would be Korra saying "I bet Hiroshi did this" and then she sneaks into the mansion and overhears the conversation right after his wife was murdered by firebenders just two scenes earlier. That would be the universe bending to act accordingly.
>>84289565
would this be an example
>the character gets their power removed
>character starts crying over not having power to save people
>character then proceeds to get power and save the day for a reason so unclear the writer had to correct people on how it was obtained
>on top of that finds a way to magically give herself and everyone their powers after crying about it some more
>>84289565
Fair point.
Still this feels like a coincidence that just helped Korra solve a problem, rather than her uncovering something on her own or with the aid of Lin.
>>84289665
Oh fuck. I think I made myself forget about that part. Yeah, that was fucking dumb. Honestly, it would have been more apropo for Katara to actually heal her. Why?
> Katara knows about Blood-bending.
> Likely she could have studied with Ty Lee about pressure points.
> Aang could easily help her research and understand Chakras more.
> She could have studied for nights on end well before the finale, and taught Korra a way to counter-blood-bend Amon's bending block.
> These are all things that are ignored in favor of what is effectively a deus ex machina.
>>84289665
>finds a way to magically give herself and everyone their powers after crying about it some more
That was avatar shit, Aang knew how to take away and give other people bending, so Korra technically knew how to do it too, since she is Aang(sort of). She just had to "remember" how to do it. There are problems with this show and it's plots, but this was not one of them.
>>84289865
it made the whole ending dumb
it especially didnt make sense since he didnt really know how to blood bend
like the other dude said katara should had just healed people
or at least taught her how to do it
/co/'s problem is that it didn't follow their exact preferred plot projection.
Literally all throughout the run, /co/ was saying, "Because X didn't happen, this is garbage."
>>84290348
thats not the problem at actually
>>84290348
This is wrong. /co/ didn't like it because /co/ wanted it to be good, and it wasn't always good. Season 3 was good, and season 1 and 4 were okay, season 2 was utter shit but for 2 episodes.
>>84287168
Well, its really only part of /co/. Plenty of people liked the show when it was airing, but once it was over they mostly disappeared.
>>84287168
Korrasami
No, seriously.
I will always state this.
There was no filler to develop the characters in safe scenarios.
The plot was always rushing forward and there was no time for these guys to develop. So they mostly got stuck into one note characters, and they kept introducing more so it was easier to keep them all one note because there was no time to develop the characters well.
The Ganng had lots of off-time to develop. We saw their relationships grow and in Korra we barely saw that. Along with the other problems it made it hard to appreciate any of the characters since we never got much of them outside of the struggle.
>>84290473
it was going downhill during the second season
korrasami was just the killing blow
it encapsulates everything wrong with the LoK
>>84287168
Zahir should have been the last villain, most of the main plot of the Earth Kingdom takeover felt strained to me.
>>84288638
this
1 and 4 were ok, although I couldn't stand the love triangle crap in the first season at all and 4 had morality issues since Su Yin was clearly a far worse person than Kuvira but the show just ignored it
2 was just right out, its only redeeming qualities were the flashback episodes where literally no one from the cast does anything and introducing Varrick, probably the best character they ever came up with for this show. everything else that season was pretty trash
Season 3 was pretty great though, its plot was reasonable although a little clunky in places, but the villains were top tier. Plus they got to do a lot of cool fanservice stuff in that season, suffocation bending, a lot of new combinations of powers fighting against each other, I mean we had never seen two airbenders really fight before Tenzin fought Zaheer, also this season wasn't scared about killing people on screen, I mean that had happened a few times before but they did it even more and in even more brutal ways, like how the combustion bender blew her own head off
>>84288229
you do realize, you did exactly what he was accusing you of doint?
>>84287659
Not as good as A:TLA.
Not nearly as good.
There was so many good ideas that didn't go very far and the Avatar team can't do finales very well.
>>84290434
Wait, according to this, season 3's ratings went to their LOWEST when they finally started airing non-leaked episodes with 8? The stuff that HADN'T been leaked caused it to drop.
Also, this thing funnily mentions "it was hovering somewhat steadily" and the chart shows it doing just that... at sub 1.0 in the ratings.
>>84290773
Book 3s ratings were:
01/302 - 1.5mil
03 - 1.29mil
04 - 1.19mil
05 - 1.18mil
06 - 1.28mil
07 - 1.33mil
08 - 1.08mil
Never below 1mil.
>>84290434
I mean I don't think that has anything to do with season 3 though
honestly if Korra hadn't been living off of ATLA's good name I doubt it would have gotten a 2nd season and it certainly wouldn't have gotten a 3rd after that crap fest of a season 2.
by season 3 the disaster of the first 2 seasons had pretty much worn away the patience of any casual fans
>>84291057
It was all to do with Nickelodeon and their shit advertising and tactics.
Thr show was doing really good in the timeslot it had, once it moved around it began to suffer. It wasnt the fault of the quality(most people outside of /co/ like the show) it was mishandling.
>>84291138
mishandled or sabotaged?
moving around the time slots and poorly advertising the new times is basically how to kill a show 101
>>84291258
Sabatoged is probably a better word. Korra was unlike any of the other shows they have since it's serialized and everything else has little to bo continuity and is more comedy oriented
>>84289865
>There are problems with this show and it's plots, but this was not one of them.
Aang's still only in her spirit and mind. Avatar State lets you use their body and channel your knowledge and experience, but it doesn't matter if you've got a better handler when the hose is clogged, yknow? Korra was still physically blocked with bloodbending. How exactly does one unblock their bending physically while said bending is blocked?
>>84291482
Itschakrasiaintgottaexplainshit.jpg
>>84291511
The chakras WERE explained. What Amon does wasn't. I'm not against there being a good explanation in-universe for what happens but the fact is there is no in-universe reasoning. Ergo there's nothing to go on.
>>84291511
but its a physical thing stopping the chakra shit
>>84291482
it literally made no sense
we have been over this like a dozen times
my main problem with it is that Katara claims she can't do anything about it but apparently the Avatar State could, I feel like if it really was a physical problem of blocked pathways due to blood bending than Katara the world famous healer and oldest blood bender alive would be able to figure something out
>>84287168
Why do we have so many threads asking "what's wrong?" when you could just have read any of the last 50?
>>84287168
Its boring.
Feels like it was written by a committee instead of a crazy genius.
Korra is the worst avatar ever.
when you bailed out /co/?
>>84287168
Implied lesbian relationship without any lesbian sex scenes, tbqh.
>>84291559
>The chakras WERE explained
>chakras
>explained beyond vague pseudo-buddhist notions
pick one
>>84291669
I don't feel like watching Korra and each time a new thread pops up I learn a little bit more each time. Eventually I'll know enough to pretend I'm an expert on it.
>>84291750
Well, then don't watch it. That doesn't explain clogging us up with the same thread with the same answers, we aren't /b/.
It's a very simplistic story that put itself into situation where being simplistic doesn't work. Sure, Aang was simplistic too, but it didn't put itself before a challenge. Until the finale where it fell apart, but until then we had 3 seasons of fun simplistic story.
Korra is like trying to build a skyscrapper when all you've got is material for a mud hut. It will fall apart and people will think you are a shitty builder. And it's not like attempt was any good, because other people are building skyscrappers out of durasteel and ferroconcrete already.
It was a huge disapointment from the start.
No over arching villains.
Love triangle between teenagers nobody gives a shit about.
Stupid plot destruction from the former show. Making Aang seem out to be a terrible father with a piss poor excuse to killing him and many other people offscreen.
Anybody whose not a bender is fucking useless.
Korra cries and gets control of avatar state.
Bolin is cancer and unfunny.
Midget airbenders are cancerous but they help lighten the mood in a otherwise not very funny show.
New rehashed bending powers that would be cool in any other show.
Should've been 100 years into the future again but only 50.
The environments looks like shit.
Ended on a whimper.
Basically my sole reason to believe western animation as a whole is dead.
Admittedly, I've only watched the first season when it aired but I was so disappointed by what I saw. The animation was very good but the story was just meh. Plus I really hated how they did all the romance in the show. Korra literally steals her new friend's boyfriend because she saw him first. Bolin felt like a discount Sokka. Mako seemed like okay but was constantly eye fucking Korra the entire time he was with Asami. Korra herself constantly went from hot head who wants to just get thing done to whiny teenage girl in love all the while being the Avatar. Not that it was all bad but her writing wasn't good enough to balance her character. And fuck almost the entire S1 finale. From her getting Air-bending to Aang giving her her bending back.
I did like how the world was kinda evolving without the need for the Avatar. Tenzin was great and I liked Toph's cop daughter. I thought Pro-Bending was interesting but they just used it as filler.
I'll probably go back and try to watch all of it but hearing that S2 is hot garabe isn't the best motivation. S1 was a 5/10 show that didn't make me want to come back and watch.
I still don't know exactly who the asian lady Korragets lezzie with is and how she turned into a main character. The only likeable characters were crazy inventor guy and Ju li, and even then I'm not sure even they knew if they wanted him to be bad or good.
>>84291971
>Making Aang seem out to be a terrible father
Aang was never a terrible father and they never made him out to be. They just made him not ideal. It's realistic of Aang to spend more time with the airbender kid because he has to pass on all the airbender stuff he knows, and that's on top of his avatar shit he had to do.
Even Bumi and Kya admitted Aang was a great dad and they were just jelly of Tenzin. It was great of Aang to raise them at allconsidering they're Sokka's kids.
>Should've been 100 years into the future again but only 50.
It's 70 years in the future
>The environments looks like shit.
Only the book 2 Pierrot backgrounds looked bad.
>Anybody whose not a bender is fucking useless.
See pic related
I don't really have a problem with it.
But it was just too juvenile for me.
>>84292194
Doesn't matter this show is trash.
>>84292194
Kya and Bumi were the biggest dissapointment for me. I expected some eccentric but competent characters and I got two winy manchilden.
>ATLA will never get a 1080p remaster
Life is truly suffering
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>>84291971
>The environments looks like shit.
Did we watch the same show?
It had great potential and very interesting concepts and ideas but they somehow managed to fuck it up to almost unbelievable degree.
wasted potential: the show
>>84287168
The pacing, the story, the underdeveloped characters, the generic villains, the twists, the lack of consequences for the main characters mistakes and the forced drama.
>>84289424
>For a lot of the beginning of this show. I got the air of a "Mary Sue" vibe from Korra herself.
Korra was many MANY things, but never a Mary Sue. She was happy about being the Avatar to the point of pride and that was her downfall during the first two seasons. She was very flawed and always fucking up, only to have someone else help her to overcome her problems until last season when she finally grows up. That is the opposite of a Mary Sue.
Korra was an amazingly deep, well written character in a show that wasn't as well written as her.
>>84287168
Nick wasn't the right place for it to air.
Everything 'wrong' with it happened because of the lack of audience. Nick is mainly for YOUNG kids, while Korra obviously tried to tackle subjects far more mature. And that resulted in budget cuts, which then resulted in writing/plot nonsense.
/co/ thinking that Korra (the character) is stupid is a meme by now. And if people are autistic enough to believe that, it's simply because they've watched so many shows with omniscient heroes that matures at mystical rates for whatever reasons and lost touch with how things are, and how people are, in the real world.
I liked ATLA, but loved Korra, simply because of that. (You can scratch the last season tho, this was complete and utter bullshit.)
>>84294286
>And if people are autistic enough to believe that, it's simply because they've watched so many shows with omniscient heroes that matures at mystical rates for whatever reasons and lost touch with how things are, and how people are, in the real world.
I personally blame capes.
When a character is acting like a person instead of a HERO this board loses their shit.
>>84294286
>/co/ thinking that Korra (the character) is stupid is a meme by now. And if people are autistic enough to believe that, it's simply because they've watched so many shows with omniscient heroes that matures at mystical rates for whatever reasons and lost touch with how things are, and how people are, in the real world.
The problem is not that Korra makes mistakes. It's that she never learns from them and develop as a character. She fumbles and fumbles until season finale comes and she fumbles into deus ex machina because it's time to end the plot.
>>84294625
She 'never learns from them' simply because they're not 'just mistakes'.
They're flaws, it's part of her personality, and you don't change these things easily.
She's a 16-19yo bi-sexual adolescent that lived in an igloo for 16years. She's brash, she acts before thinking and she has no taste in mates. You don't stop being all of that 'simply because'. It can take years to get rid of this shit, IN THE REAL WORLD. Yeah sure, maybe your favorite superhero went from hotheaded to mastermind in 3 issues, doesn't mean that's how it works in real life.
>B-But, she's the avatar! She can't do that! She's a hero!
Yeah, nah, she's still a fucking kid before being 'The avatar'.
I can get behind all those people crying about the plotholes, or about the WHOLE season 4 (Best part of it was giving Zhu Li a voice, that's saying something.) but those crying over Korra not developping or 'not learning from her mistakes' trigger my autism.
You can say the same about Aang too. At first he's a pussy scared of killing bad guys, and at the end, he's still a pussy scared of killing bad guys, because 'muh air nomads'.
Was anyone else disappointed by how underwhelming the bending was in korra was? Like, i get that the TLA was about the cream of the crop and this is supposed to be about average people (or atleast someone tried to convince me of that) but average people just jobbing for even more average people is not fun.
Look at jong jong with his massive fire walls, or bumi kicking ass with just his head or hell even emphasising their underwhelming powers a bit more would be good, zuko and admiral zhao were not great benders but their sequences were usually pretty strong and their agne kai was very good for so early in the show.
There are no sequences to remember like iroh smashing the gate of ba sing se or or the death of the moon spirit or even the non bending stuff like explaining the swamp or the two lovers of omashu's story or anything where roku posesses aang like in the fire temple or to talk to jong jong
It felt like they didnt know the difference between a good special effect and using a special effect to tell a story. all of thoses sequences were powerful or emotive, even though they were not particularly intricate, the jong jong/roku scene just being them standing next to a tree or irohs tale from ba sing se being so powerful and setup so well to fall you like a tonne of bricks.
I just found korra too underwhelming and nobody in the show as powerful seeming as they should be inspite of the favt they clearly had the special effects to make some amazing looking stuff. Nothing moved me in legend of korra like in TLA and i only watched TLA about a year before korra started.
>>84294769
If she can't overcome the flaws, she must be hindered by them. She is not, problems are solved for her by narrative mandate. It's bad writing.
>>84287168
Show's budget was shite, so bending animation was much less impressive.
Shitty characterization
>>84287168
The unlikeable characters.
Korra was a bitch most of the time. Mako was an asshole. Bolin was overly stupid. And Asami was just there to collect dust.
>>84295252
Nope.
Bending was big and explosive and powerful because it was a war, a really long war. You needed to cause the most damage to win.
Korra was in a time of relative peace thst had lasted for 70 years. And Korra was initially set in a city, where it's better to do small, quick attacks. The benders outside of Republic City were typically more"ATLA-esque"
>>84287168
Not enough of Korra's body.
Korra was kind of a cunt and the 2nd season plot was ass. There were some okay fights and character designs but mostly it's that Kora's a cunt.
There's a pretty good 4 part series on everything wrong with it here (barring the part where he can't seem to get off Sokka's dick)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmKaQqinWKY
>>84295996
>Not enough of Korra's exposed body
Fixed.
And if we can ask, expose Asami's too, she probably has a bouncy and bubbly butt.
>>84287168
this, more or less.
>>84293901
>Korra was an amazingly deep, well written character
She was a plot device that gets special snowflake treatment despite being an enormous failure in every way.
>>84293901
>until last season when she finally grows up
>run away and leaves everyone worried
>fights Kuvira because people told her to fight
>literally doesn't have any argument to be fighting Kuvira
>her final argument is 'you have daddy issues, so you must be wrong'
year, that's development for you.
