So i'd like to get into The Amazing Spider-Man series and I have a question.
Do I need to read the 2014 run?
Or can I go right into the 2015 run?
I wouldn't.
>>84271089
i hear shitty things about dan slott, but i'd like to read it regardless
i just need my spider-man fix man
i miss ultimate
>>84271067
>>84271114
Start with The Amazing Spider-man #700, Superior Spider-man, The Amazing Spider-man #1 (2014), Spider-verse and continue from there if you want to read the current version of Spider-man.It's not as horrible as anons make it out to be.
>>84271067
Just read Ultimate Spider Man if you're desperate. Then check out the original ASM if you're vintage. The new ones are shit
>>84271120
You shut your WHORE MOUTH
That said, it probably won't be terrible if you haven't read it before. Especially going into it like this dude suggests. I'm still not a fan, but at least you don't have to cope with losing the JMS run.
>>84271120
Don't listen to this nigger
start with Amazing Fantasy 15, then read Amazing Spider-Man volume 1 Issue 1 and carry on from there.
>>84271067
Just read Dying Wish, Superior and then whatever you want.
>>84271120
it's only horrible when you've read the good runs
>>84271142
Hey, I'm just trying to help him get into the current version without going though all the shit. I genuinely believe that they can be enjoyable if you have the proper guide. To make it easier for OP, I would also recommend him to read Scarlet Spider and Venom (Agent Venom).
Recommendations:
>Amazing Spider-man #700
>Superior Spider-man
>Scarlet Spider (2012-2013)
>Venom (2011-2013)
>The Amazing Spider-man #1 (2014)
>Spider-Verse
>Secret Wars
>The Amazing Spider-man (2015)
This list might look repulsive to a lot of Anons but it's easier than reading every issue of Spider-man starting from Amazing Fantasy #15 and it keeps him up to date.
I would personally recommend Amazing Spider-Man Vol 2 #30
>>84271120
thank you anon, i think i'll do that
spider-verse seems a little confusing though, what order do i read that in?
>>84271405
Just follow this list from top to bottom in that order. Spider-Woman and Scarlet Spiders are skipable since they don't really add to anything. If youtorrent, you can probably find a bundle with all of these issues together. It has some pretty cool moments that I don't want to spoil.
>>84271494
thank you so much anon
i greatly appreciate it
I really hate that artist in op
>>84271550
No problem, OP. I hope you enjoy!
One last thing, since you said you miss Ultimate Spider-man, I would suggest reading Spider-Men before anything else. It's only 5 issues and it's 616 Spider-man in the Ultimate universe. It would be somewhat of a nice goodbye to Ultimate Spider-man but you really don't have to read it since it's not a big impact on anything.
>>84271630
i actually read that, and enjoyed it quite a bit, thanks!
>>84271120
>It's not as horrible as anons make it out to be.
It literally is as horrible as most anons make it out to be. You have shit taste.
>>84271148
>Liking Slott garbage.
kek
>>84271241
I don't agree with any of your AMS recommendations but
>Venom (2011)
Yep
and I'd add
>Scarlet Spider Vol. 2 (2012)
>>84271142
this is actually how i read ASM. never again for any comic though, its takes weeks.
>>84271067
Start at Amazing Spider-Man 1 and stop when you finish Superior Spider-Man, then go read Ultimate and stop when Peter stops
>>84271241
Did spidey ever tell kaine he was possessed by ock?
>>84273965
Nope.
Kaine should have figured it out in about 3 seconds that it wasn't Pete under the mask, but because of shit writing, that never happened.
>>84271142
>dooming an anon to read the Clone Saga.
>>84274061
>Thinking the Clone Saga is worse than Slott's shit
Good one, anon.
>>84271494
So wait, not only do you recommend Slott's garbage, but then when talking about spider-verse, you tell him to skip Scarlet Spiders, one of the better parts of it?
I can't handle how shit your taste is.
>>84271494
Checklists are not listed in chronological order, dingus.
Chronological read order: https://www.reddit.com/r/Spiderman/comments/35vjfo/complete_chronological_spiderverse_reading_order/
>>84271067
Don't.
Wait until Dan Shitt is off the title.
I know other anons are trying to helpful, but Shitt is literally a shit. Don't pollute your mind. There are plenty of other comics that don't actively delete brain cells and make you stupider like Shitt's work does.
If you want to read Spider-Man, start with the Lee/Ditko original run. Yes, it's sixty years old but you won't understand the character tropes without it, especially since the only thing that could be remotely positive said about Shitt is that he refers to obscure continuity.
>>84274130
Scarlet Spiders was fine but like I said, it didn't really impact the story at all. And besides, I recommended OP to read Scarlet Spider >>84271241 here which in my opinion is much better than having to spend anymore time in Spider-Verse.
The only reason I'm recommending him to read Slott runs is because he asked for them here >>84271114
I'm simply trying to recommend him what he wanted in the last harmful way possible and trying to get him caught up in the current state of the Spider-man comics. It's better than what most anons are saying "Hur just read every issue ever" which still includes worse shit like Clone Saga, One More Day, and Sins Past but hating Slott is the hot fresh meme around these parts.
>>84274290
>wait until slott is off the title
that could take years and years.
>>84274290
>the only thing that could be remotely positive said about Shitt is that he refers to obscure continuity.
Its a shame he doesn't even do that well. He loves to name drop old stuff, but makes it painfully clear he never once bothered to actually read anything he references.
Honestly, OP, if you really want to read spider-man, I'd recommend the run that came before slott (Brand New Day) if you haven't already read it. It's quality is variable, but when it's good, it's amazing, especially the last few stories.
>>84274296
>still includes worse shit like Clone Saga
Slott's run is far, far worse than even the most offensive parts of the Clone Saga. At least Peter consistently acts like, you know, Peter Parker in the Clone Saga, instead of some incompetent manchild version of Iron Man.
>>84274352
>Doesn't mention One More Day
>Peter literally kills of his marriage and his future daughter just so Aunt May can live longer even though she's already super old
>Not a manchild
>>84274303
He's got creator-owned work on the table and his contract is up in 2018. I think he'll move aside and he's just saying he won't because it riles up his critics.
I liked Dan Slott for a while but man I can't stand him now.
OP, please read brand new day instead, it starts with 545 or so and is so much better
>>84274452
With the way OMD was written, it's very clear that despite the retcon mandate, JMS didn't agree with it, and he wrote the story itself to undermine it. The ending only happens because MJ and Peter are SURE they'll get back together.
If there wasn't a fucking company mandate behind it and we actually saw them back together in a reasonable time, it'd be a really strong story about Peter and MJ.
>>84274512
No it's not. Most of the stories are bad, and the Carlie shilling is ass.
Also Grim Hunt is overrated, not to mention it achieved nothing in the end as Kraven went on to become an even bigger joke in Squirrel Girl comics.
>>84274534
Go to bed slott
>>84274554
You before me Quesada, tuck your daughter in and tell her to stay on the bus I put her on
(in all seriousness, I don't like BND or Slott)
>>84274452
>Doesn't mention One More Day
Why would I? It has, literally, nothing to do with either Slott's run or the Clone Saga.
>>84274626
Because you're cherry picking. Clone Saga isn't the only horrible shit you guys want him to read.
>Clone Saga, One More Day, and Sins Past
>>84274514
>JMS didn't agree with it
Yes. This is painfully obvious. He barely wrote any of it and quit writing Spider-Man entirely while working on OMD, since he was pissed at editorial for forcing that shit on him. JMS specifically requested Quesada take his name off because of how little he wrote. Quesada refused to drop his name from the credits because he didn't want to deal with the fallout after the fact.
This was well documented in interviews right after OMD came out, as JMS was pretty vocal about all the shit going on behind the scenes at the time.
>>84271114
It's /co/ntrarians overreacting. It's not bad, maybe it's boring but in the 2014 run Slott was laying down the groundwork for 2015, which so far jas basically been an introduction to the new life of Peter.
>>84274659
>Clone Saga, One More Day, and Sins Past
One of these is not like the other.
Clone Saga and Sins Past are leagues better than anything Slott has written. Superior Spider-Man is pretty equal with OMD in levels of shit.
>>84274687
>It's /co/ntrarians overreacting.
Sure thing, Slott.
>>84274715
>His opinion isn't the same as mine and my Anonymous bros' so I'll call him Slott/Quesada
My favorite meme!
>>84274771
Only someone like Slott could have such a shit opinion. Its also not news that Slott routinely trolls social media/message boards (and has gotten banned from places for starting shit after people tell him his book sucks).
http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/2010/12/13/editorial-slott-vs-crawlspace/
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>>84271067
Start at Amazing Fantasy 15 and stop when you see this cover.
We'll let you know when it's safe to read more. Not just yet.
>>84274810
>It's only okay to read what we approve!
Welcome to /co/ everyone!
>>84274810
He should read everything from AF 15 to Spider-Girl#0
People don't realise Peter actually had a happy ending.
>>84274846
Are you implying that One More Day and everything after it are not shit?
>>84274867
>He should read everything from AF 15 to Spider-Girl#0
And then follow the Spider-Girl run with the Earth X trilogy.
>>84274846
as a spider fan who has read it all i think its ok to warn people about stories that will probably just make them mad if they read them. OMD and the clone saga are widely reviled for a reason.
>>84274896
>OMD and the clone saga are widely reviled for a reason.
And yet, the Clone Saga is still better than anything Slott has written. By a long shot.
>>84274881
That reminds me...what exactly is the best cut-off point from the 90s? That's right around when the back-peddling begun that ultimately snowballed into OMD when they brought Aunt May back.
I've often leaned on the idea the original run ends somewhere between the last regular issue of Spider-Man Unlimited and the final issue written by DeFalco (with a flash-forward between two archaeologists talking about Peter's legacy)
>>84271067
Do not listen to /co/ when it comes to Spider-man comics. Hating certain stories and authors is basically a meme kept alive by certain butthurt waifufags and newfriends who haven't even read said issues but /co/ tells them they're bad so they just spread the word.
>>84274941
The storytimes have often informed my opinion on their suckage, so try again Brevoort.
>>84274941
>Hating certain stories and authors is basically a meme kept alive by certain butthurt waifufags
Said like a true casual.
And really, casuals are the only people who genuinely like Slott's writing. People who, literally, have nothing else to compare to because they haven't bothered to ever go back and read some genuinely good Spider-Man stories.
>>84271067
Amd they tend to refer to you with certain writers' names whenever their butts start to burn.
>>84271067
> Start with the 1963 Amazing spider-man and go from there
>>84274982
You seem awfully sure I was referring to Slott, pal. Is his work the only controversial one when it comes to Spider-man or are you just that desperate to latch onto something so you can run your mouth?
>>84274982
Thing is, you people speak of these great Spider-man stories and yet you never bother to actually as specifically mention any that you actually don't consider garbage. You guys only parrot the same things
>"Start from Amazing Fantasy 15 and just continue reading all of it "
>>84275060
>yet you never bother to actually as specifically mention any that you actually don't consider garbage
Fucking everyone recommends Back in Black and Kravens Last Hunt, gtfo.
i in particular really enjoyed Shed
>>84275060
>never bother to actually as specifically mention any that you actually don't consider garbage.
You need to lurk more. There are threads all the time about great older Spider-Man stories.
>>84271120
If you are going to recommend Slott's run, at least tell anon about his Spidey shit before Superior.
>>84274982
>A true gentleman of refined taste such as myself only enjoys the bestest of comics and if you do not share my objectively patrician taste you're literal scum!
>>84275195
Don't get too ass blasted, Slott.
>>84275060
The Exile Returns
Back from the Edge
Web of Death
Amazing 400
The Return of Kaine
Web of Carnage
Amazing 416
Spectacular 238-239
Spider-Man 74
Revelations (including Amazing 417 and Spectacular 241)
These from the Clone Saga that everybody hates. All better than anything since the reboot.
>>84275310
>The Exile Returns
>Amazing 400
>Web of Carnage
>Revelations (including Amazing 417 and Spectacular 241)
These stories especially (with ASM400 being a true standout), are all exceptionally good Spidey stories. Amazing Spider-Man #400 is one of the best single issues in the entirety of Spider-Man history.
>>84274687
>It's /co/ntrarians overreacting
No, it's anyone with an IQ over 50 who can read above a 2nd grade level.
But you go on rimming Slott. Someone is buying his shit, after all.
>>84274934
Stop when you see John Byrne's name.
>>84274534
I agree Grim Hunt and that MJ story achieved nothing. But I liked the Osborn stuff, the villain revamps, and the DB was fun. Definitely worth recommending just for these.
>>84274941
Have you read Slott? Go ahead, defend his work. Tell us what we are missing.
Because I've read Slott and his work is literal diarrhea.
Characters carrying the idiot ball because otherwise the plot would fall apart.
Characters forgetting everything they know (e.g. in Spider-Verse, Peter never once revealing he defeated Morlun with radiation) because otherwise the plot would fall apart.
Characters acting out of character (e.g. Mary Jane fawning over SpOck even though SpOck is acting like an obnoxious douche) just to troll the reader
Character death that doesn't serve the story just to troll the reader (see: most of Spider-Verse)
Repetitive action beats over and over that don't build the story (see: Spider-Verse - spiders flee. Find a "safe" place. Inheritors eat them. Spiders flee. Rinse and repeat ad nauseam. Also Scorpio Rising: Zodiac attacks. Peter goes after them. Zodiac escapes. Zodiac attacks. Peter goes after them. Zodiac escapes).
Over relies on deux ex machini and coincidences for an anticlimatic, rushed ending. Often in the form of a literal portal (Spider-Verse, Scorpio).
Characters do not change, learn, grow. Peter's only reaction to having been "killed" and his life taken over by a genocidal supervillain? "Otto was a jerk." Not kidding. That's an actual line of dialogue.
Mary Sue/Gary Stu Donut Steel OCs. Mary Sue has turned into a meme that means "I don't like this character" but in the case of Silk and the Regent, they are actual, 100% Mary/Gary Sue/Stus. Go ahead, look at the test and see how many points they check off.
I could on, but I've spent too much time on the shit already.
>>84275716
Silk outside of Slott's writing isnt a mary sue, Thompson has saved her, please stop spreading this libel.
>>84275762
That doesn't remove the fact that she was cancer personified when penned by Slott.
>>84271142
THIS
>>84273868
You must have a lot of free time. Took me months. Maybe close to a year.
No regrets, though. I also recommend starting from the beginning.
>>84271405
If you're gonna do what he suggests you should start at Amazing #697, not #700. 697 is the start of the story arc, #700 will just dump you in the at the end of the story with no clue. Only three extra issues, so don't you complain!
>>84271120
This is some absurdly douchey advice.
>Anon asks for Spider-Man rec
>Suggest: Start with The Amazing Spider-man #700
>The fucking issue where Peter "dies"
>Tell him to read about Dock Ock, rather than Spider-Man
Don't be such an asshole.
Also, the arc starts 3 issues earlier, why would you advise to skip the actual beginning
>>84271241
Fuck venom
Read the Wolfman run for more modern Spidey, it introduces Black Cat. Skip O Neil who regresses Peter from all the development from what Wolfman did. Get into Roger Stern who introduced a worthy goblin successor in Hob goblin, Defalco, Dematties, Peter David and then Miccheliene. End that at 300 when Venom is introduced.
It's all downhill from there.
>>84277912
Those are some great recs.
But...
>It's all downhill from there.
You're exaggerating quite a bit, anon. There are plenty of great stories post ASM 300. See: >>84275310 and >>84275372 as just a very small sampling.
>>84278172
They are from the clone saga doe? The 90s one sucked.
>>84271114
Just read Marvel Adventures Spider-Man if you're that desperate. You don't need to torture yourself, anon.
