What are the dumbest things you've seen on /co/
>Geoff Johns ruined Freeze in New 52
>>84258733
This is better for his character, because otherwise you have the stupid MUH NORA plot everytime. Of course it gave him depth, but you can only go so far with this premise and not have him suceed, and when he does, what now? You lose one of Batman's villains?
>>84258792
You ruin one of the more tragic Batman villians by making him just another lunatic
>>84258733
Worst things have been done to her, remember Lazara?
>>84258792
Why do we need to see Mr. Freeze again anyway though
>>84258733
>Geoff Johns writes a good Batman
Cracks me up every time.
>>84258792
That's the thing, we don't need him to keep coming back. If someone has an idea of how they can take him further, THEN bring him back, don't use him just for the sake of it.
Plus, one of the purposes of the New 52 was to do away with bloated character histories, and Freeze is the perfect example of someone who'd benefit from just being put back at the start.
>>84258792
Heart of Ice is a great story. It makes Batman's rogues more sympathetic. But it is true, it makes him quite a one note character.
The problem with this story is that while it tries something different it:
>Had to have a loose connection with the Owls storyline that felt hamfisted.
>It directed the revenge towards Bruce Wayne for plot convenience.
I am all for change characters. But it wasn't a good story.
>>84259186
But Freeze was perfect as he was. He's not a guy who needs to show up every three months with a new wacky scheme to save Nora, maybe he shows up once every five years because of some new scientific breakthrough. He didn't need to be reset, just handled better. There was nothing to fix, just things to ruin.
Don't forget Johns ruining Joker and Batman
So you prefer a generic useless zero-note character over an interesting well executed one-note character?
>>84258733
Actually, because of Rebirth it could work. Freeze's time and love with Nora was taken by Dr. Manhattan, but let's say because of his time in Limbo during Animal Man or his cold nature (whatever comic book bullshit excuse) he keeps all his memories while everyone else thinks he's crazy.
>>84259385
How is this bad
>>84260036
>bruce telling joker who he is
>yelling at everybody else later that they don't understand their love
>>84260036
>Bruce revealing his identity to his greatest threat
>Not bad
>people missing the point of this thread this badly
You idiots, he clearly meant that Johns didn't ruin Freeze because he didn't write that fucking story, Snyder did.
>>84260048
>>84260056
Thats it?
Haven't people spent literal decades saying how obsessed Joker is with THE Batman and upping the ante each time?
>>84258792
You're whats wrong with modern comics
>>84260127
Yes and it's dumb and is one of the main reasons why Joker needs to be retired for a little while
