who's gonna be on the psych ward?

>>84252622
He might work better as a Scopeman though.

His stand will have to be named Adam Ant however.

>>84253193
Membrane and Daffy's fucked up kids were suggested.

>>84253227
I thought we were saving Daffy's kids for Pure Imagination?

>>84252968
I want /a/ to leave

>>84219576
>Plucky, walking away from the group, is confronted by Beetlejuice.
>"Hey-hey! If it isn't Plucky Duck, hero of the hour! Seriously, what ya did is seriously impressive. Defeating the Red Guy nearly single-handed?"
>"Well, I had a lot of help from my friends. Without them, I probably would've lost there."
>"Sure, sure. But even I - the one, the only [ghost with the most]" - he poses - "would have thought twice about taking him on. I dunno if that makes you really brave or really stupid, kid. Still, it turned out alright in the end, so you musta been onto something, huh?"
>"I guess so. This new [Stand] of mine helped; I don't think I would've won without it." Wayward Son manifests behind Plucky.
>Beetlejuice's features darken. "Yeah, about that. Your... "Wayward Son", didya call it?" Suddenly, he slams his arm elbow-deep into Plucky's head through his ear, which is stretched out comically.
>Plucky: "Wh-what the fuck?"
>Beetlejuice: "That's a [Remastered] Stand. They can only exist if a user gets an infusion of [STAR] energy from an outside source. So if I'm not mistaken..."
>With a yank, Beetlejuice pulls his arm - and the ghost of Daffy - out of Plucky's ear, with his fist wrapped around Daffy's neck. "You were carrying a passenger, kiddo."
>Plucky stares in shock. Daffy gulps. "Ah. Dees ees awkward."

>>84253227
Here's a suggestion: Ludwig von Drake, being a psychologist, is in charge of the psych ward. He doesn't have a Stand, and uses his various inventions and psychology devices to deal with and control the prisoners.
Membrane is there to work with Ludwig on the Strickland tech and as Robo-Dale's caretaker, since he knows robots.
Woody and any other Daffy kids we may or may not be using belong in Pure Imagination.

>>84253332
like a Hugo Strange in duck form? nice.

>>84253361
Sorta, though more benevolent in intent, I'd say.
He experiments on the prisoners, but he believes it's all in their best interest.

>>84253388
Does he think stands are a disease and is looking for a cure?

>>84253206
If we have Atom Ant as a Scopeman, then we can't use him for this purpose in part 6.

>>84253571
>>84253388
>He "fixes" an inmate in such a way he believes his own Stand is an hallucination

>>84253605
>It makes their stand all the more dangerous and unpredictable
>The Warden loves it

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wow, I am way behind on these threads. just started working on the part 2 finale

just a modest suggestion that's been on my mind: at what point in Ventuo Autistico does someone say/title a chapter "I'm Up All Night To Get Plucky?"

>>84253873
Perhaps a chapter related to Plucky's coma, like the fight with Gideon

>>84253873
That's an idea that never crossed any of our mind, and if it did, you're the first to bring it up.

I think Boogie would be the most likely to say it.

>>84253295
>Plucky: "DAD!?"
>Beetlejuice: "Looks like it, huh? Tip to toe, that's M.E. LeTerally."
>Daffy tries to smile. "Hello, mai son."
>Plucky: "Wha - but - they said your soul was erased from existence. That you didn't leave a ghost!"
>Beetlejuice: "Yeah, that'd be a side effect of a reality rewriting Stand backfiring on you - your file doesn't get recycled, it gets blanked."
>Plucky is incredibly annoyed with Beej. "SO HOW IS HE HERE NOW?"
>Daffy: "I do not -" Beetlejuice squeezes tighter, cutting him off.
>A voice from offpanel comes. "I think I can answer that."
>Lydia is leaning on a wall behind them. "The [Dead Man's Party] may have not been able to manifest near the Warner Brothers and their workings, but we've been keeping an eye on things where we can."
>"After your father's Stand erased his identity, there must have been a few invisible traces left in the Old Country, searching for something to latch onto: the identity of [LeTerally]."
>"Though LeTerally no longer existed, a few things eventually arrived in the Old Country that they were attracted to. That atomic clone of him, created at the Looniversity... and you, his son."
>"You're your own person, Plucky, so nothing happened to you, but the clone... his identity was at once [LeTerally] and not [LeTerally]. The lingering effects of La Cucaracha must have damaged his mind, sending him into his coma."
>Plucky and Daffy are both listening intently
>"And the traces attached to you, Plucky, may have stayed latent for good if it weren't for that dream demon, Cipher, and his illusions. When he created the illusion of your father, it was an empty shell, but with his "identity". I believe that that was enough for the traces to "remember" who Daffy is, and create the ghost you see here." Plucky glances up at his father, still in Beetlejuice's grip.

>>84253981
>Beetlejuice blinks. "How the hell did you find out all that, Lyds?" "I have a lot of free time."
>He drops Daffy to the floor. "Alright, Duck. You can't stay up here in the overworld with your kid, you know that? There's no way that's happenin'."
>"Buuuuut... I guess you did help your son to save the world. That doesn't count for nothing. Once we get down to the Neitherworld, I'll pull some strings and get you set up comfortably. It ain't the first time I've done it - right, Courage?"
>Courage, who's halfway across the room, looks over with a confused expression
>Daffy glowers. "Verree well. I accept deez terms. But I will talk to my son, beefore I follow you."
>Beetlejuice crosses his arms. "Yeah, that's fair. You okay to go on ahead, Lyds?" "You got it." He kisses her on the cheek, and Lydia walks away. BJ backs off from the two ducks.
Aaaand follow that up with the conclusion from the doc, and I think we are finally DONE with part 5!
(Unless, like, someone wants to go and rewrite the earlier fights to be more detailed and have dialogue.)
>>84253873
Eyy, Sandcastles! Good to see you again.

>>84253994
Great!

I'm glad I didn't have to be the one to convert all the courthouse stuff into dialogue.

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>>84253726
>>84253605
so my favorite idea to come from that is that Ludwig doesn't think that Stands ARE real, rather than messing with their heads. they're psychosis that causes powers/coincidence

real question is, does an ignored Stand then have to find a way to get its owner's attention with what little control it has over itself? or does it basically go berserk and become one of those wandering Stands ala Xavier the Angel

>>84253994
good to be back. I was out of the loop for a little while with some more commission writing/playing video games/work blocking my Google Docs for a while

then I got back to find that Waifu/Super Ocean was getting a massive overhaul on the doc, so I took a step back to let that start to blow over

>>84253571
I meant Atom Ant might work better as a Scopeman in part 8.

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>>84253332
We could include Puff, the magic dragon as his Stand or as another researcher in the psych ward, mainly because Puff plays the role of a child psychologist in his own cartoon. What do you guys think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI1NIYQHyVM

>>84217453
I really like this ideia about Joy, maybe she had some kind of unbreakable will/optimism, which turned to mania over time (given that she was originally the personification of an emotion, it makes sense that she has this kind of personality). Since this kind of trait creates the best Stand users, they gave her a Jawbreaker which created [SWEET EMOTION] (which is basically a scapegoat for her sorrow as a Stand) and then released her to act as a mole.

>>84254252
Maybe it goes berserker like Hiro bro's Stand in part 4, and while it wrecks the place, his user is in a corner with a blissful smile saying "he's not real. Everything is in my head, in my head ZOMBIE, ZOMBIE

I like that we're being careful about making the Warden's comments imply that he wants to kill the Stand users while meaning Pure Imagination, when if Araki was writing, he probably wouldn't even come up with PI until a couple of isdues before it debuted.

>>84254252
I can't detach from it's owner, but it might gain more independent thinking abilities if its owner suffers enough mental trauma from the treatments.

It makes me want the ward arc to end with Ludwig either dead, proven wrong, or committing himself when he begins to see stands as well.

>>84254974
Maybe there should be a fight with Ludwig at the end of this arc where they have to work out how to take him down without letting on to Dredd and the Warden that they were responsible?

>>84255351
Does "they" include Professor Pericles?

>>84255485
That reminds me, how long after part 5 does this take place?

Daffy had his other kids after Plucky if we do that lot, right? Or would he have had them before? Anyway, would Pericles fit n there or no? I imagine he might be too old.

>>84255852
Plucky would be the first born if Daffy had other kids.

The Warden started construction of his prison at the end of part 5, so probably at least four years between parts this time.
Dora was also a child at the end of part 5, so there's also that to take into consideration.

The years between parts 5 and 6 need to be enough to accommodate the construction of the prison and for Dora to age up enough to be sent there.

And Pericles is way too old to be one of Daffy's kids. He might be someone Ludwig has been trying to "help" (break) for years.

>>84254252
I think we retconned Xavier to just be a very confused angel

>>84254450
I like both ideas.

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>>84253193
I know this is a bit obscure and technical, but would a character from Die Anstalt fit in?

It's a German game about mentally ill sentient plush toys. It had a few animated shorts online though I believe? Web toons or whatever.

>>84256026
Dora should either be 13-14 in part 5.

>>84255485
If his stand isn't a nod to a Kreigstaffen Robot then I will be most put out.

I'd call it [Master of Puppets], and it just looks like a floating set of 14 lights in a roughly humanoid shape around Pericles, these light can generate a magnetic field to form a body out of metal.

>"I had strinks, but now I'm free, zere are no strinks on me..."

>>84256270
So they keep him in a room deigned for Magneto, just like from his first appearance in Mystery Inc.?

How does he get out of his cage? Does he escape on his own? If he could free himself from his cage at any time, why did he wait until this point in time? What could Dora have told him that changed his perspective of the situation?

>>84255852
Plucky was going to be the last born, since he left Tina after Plucky was born.
I'm actually thinking that we might cut Daffy's kids other than Woody - they don't really add that much other than enhancing the "oh shit, Daffy had other kids" factor and giving Woody some underlings. Oh, and lessening the suspension of disbelief required for Woody to be Daffy's son, I guess.

>>84256330
>So they keep him in a room deigned for Magneto
More like they use their own super powerful electromagnet to keep him immobile by halting the movement of [Master Of Puppets].

>>84256378
Woody Woodpecker being crazy thinking Daffy is his mom kind of works, but I've also struggled with just what Daffy having other kids and them being in the jail actually brings to the story outside of trying to imitate Stone Ocean.

>>84256416
And Dora has to go in to change the newspapers.

Pericles apologies for this kind of mess and how he wouldn't have to subject her or himself to this mutual embarrassment if they'd just grant him a little more freedom.

>>84256444
Woody would have been traumatized and hate him though, wouldn't he?

>>84256521
He's crazy, who knows what he thinks.

The Dodo bird from Wackyland could also work.

>>84256444
Ties into the Warden being inspired by Daffy, shows what a shitbag Daffy was from the very start, shows how Plucky could have gone wrong without his mom there, links to how Dora also had a shitty villain parent, mirrors Stone Ocean. Because yeah, we're not doing full plot imitations, but we've got parallels in every part.
Woody just being crazy doesn't add much either.

>>84256576
Well that part of the plot is still a ways off, so there's plenty of time for someone to work that out.

Unless one of them is in the psych ward, then it becomes more of an immediate thing.

Would Professor Pyg work well as a prisoner? He's crazy enough for PI, and we never got confirmation that he died back in part 4.

>>84256886
Probably just a cameo. I don't really want another fight with him.

We came up with his stand before Damo appeared, then he wound up having a similar power.

>>84256218
I liked that game so I wouldn't mind. Maybe just as cameos, though.

>Bobby working as a therapist
>his first name Robert
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdtpWufCkoY

>>84257066
Nice one.

>>84256576
Wasn't Doras mom Carmen Sandiego?

I think this fits well

>>84257066
>Bobby wants to be on a first name basis with his patients
>the prison staff and prisoners call him "Doctor Robert" as a joke

>>84257445
I like it.

Shit. I'm kind of disappointed that we managed to finish part 5 without anyone thinking of Xibalba. He would've fit there perfectly.
Hell, most of the characters from that movie would only really have fit in part 5. Pity.

>>84256919
>then he wound up having a similar power
damn, that's one helluva coincidence

>>84256521
I think the idea is that his parents were Cucaracha'd and he went nuts, believing that Daffy is his real parent

>>84253193

Weren't we using Sticks?

>>84259732
I still don't really like that. It comes off as the worst of both worlds; doesn't get the positives of >>84256576, and doesn't have the benefit of letting him stand alone like making him a rando in Pure Imagination would.

>>84259809
The psych ward is still being worked on.
We need to figure out how it moves the story forward.

Ideally this is where Dora gets the planted (fake) info about the Warden wanting to kill all the stand users.

>>84259929

If anything, it'll serve as a good place for Dora to start breaking in her powers. Is she getting both footstep abilities at the same time or one after the other?

>>84259929
>Robodale
>Sticks
>Professor Pericles ("killed" by Dredd)
>Ludwig
>Either one or two more patients
Are probably the main things we want to cover in this arc.
We should probably have this bit less focused on kuh-razy fights and more on Stand-powered Slice of Life and the inmates dealing with their issues, especially since Dora doesn't unlock her Stand until... von Drake, I guess?
Psych ward is for the sympathetic mentally ill prisoners. Pure Imagination is for the terrifying mentally ill prisoners.

>>84259662

Xibalba is more recognizable as a Death God than being easily mistaken as a demon, unlike Hades. He definitely should be referenced in Part 2 though, something like having an image of him in the ruins.

Also, if I'm not wrong, there was the idea of the Sanchez Twins making a cameo background as members of the Dead Man's Party.

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>>84260518

Squee from Johnny the Homicidal Maniac maybe?

>>84260642
Squee and Jonny both have stand suggestions in the docs, but they need some tweaking which I've been trying to do and they're suggested for part 7 going with the comic theme.

>>84259816
Woody's dad is Daffy. But he Cucaracha'd his mom. He barely survived and saw his step dad was already killed.

This makes it clear that the only reason Tina didn't get this treatment was luck.

>>84260733

Huh. Did you plan them as racers or a side encounter?

>>84260571
Xibalba as a background set piece in the fightan game.

>>84261004
I thought they'd be racers. He would have kidnapped Squee and unintentionally entered the race with him. I was having trouble coming up with good stands though. My ideas were Nny having a shadow entity that makes people dumb and suffer, and Squee's bear having pain reflective properties. I guess they could be better though, but I've been having trouble coming up with ways to fix them.

I'm not sure what purpose they'd play either. There would be a fight against them, but otherwise I wasn't sure what they'd do.

>>84261172

Given their canon, I feel they'd be a race hazard. Say one of the rest areas is located near Nny's home and he starts helping himself to some of the racers both because of some of their despicable natures and to keep the wall wet.

>>84261123

I approve this idea.

>>84260998
Eh. I never really liked the Woody as Daffy's son angle, and you're not selling me. Daffy's already influenced Warden, we don't need more Daffy wankery. Just let Woody be a freaky stand alone psycho in PI.

>>84262069
*standalone

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>Stand Master: Mirage
>Stand: 「DESERT ROSE」
>Appearance: A cactus-like humanoid with several metallic spikes and the distinct motif of a Dervish soldier
>Ability: 「DESERT ROSE」 is a punch-ghost style Stand that bears the ability to rob 「moisture」 at a fixed rate from all objects and creatures within roughly 6 meters of the user, which is then modified into purified water within it. The collected water carries mild healing abilities if shared or the Stand can eject it out of its needles as high-pressure jets.

Power: B
Range: D
Precision: A
Durability: C
Speed: D
Developmental Potential: C

>>84262069
My problem with that is we made Daffy too sympathetic in 5. We need to show him as the basted he was in 3.

>>84262963

That was kinda why I wanted Shirley as one of his kids. Moment he quit Tina he was already deep in another girl in the same town.

>>84253332

Membrane and Von Drake could have interesting interactions.

>"You know Dr. Von Drake, I wish I met you years ago so you could help my poor helpless son. You would able to remove some unpleasant ideas of his insane head and put him in the right path before he put himself in trouble with the authorities over his obsession with paranormal mumbo-jumbo."

>>84262963
>we made Daffy too sympathetic in 5
Really? He still didn't apologize for all the shit he caused, and didn't felt any regret.

>>84264609

We gave him some redemption with Plucky's coma episode.

>>84260489
First she needs to actually notice she's doing it.

Once she notices she's leaving footprints, she'll probably immediately be able to summon the punch ghost.

There's also that bit of greentext where Suzie starts wondering if Dora's ability is merely to see stands. I'd like to use that somewhere.

>>84260518
I'd like the ending of the arc to be Pericles flying out of the psych ward with Dora watching, only to see him get shot by Dredd out of the air, then his body disappears when it hits the ground.

>>84260733
We can still put comic characters in other parts where it fits. It's been done before.

>>84265992
Doesbn't Johnny have the supernatural ability to evade punishment for his actions though?

I mean, this guy goes out in brood daylight eviscerating people, but no one notices. In universe I think it's because of demons or some shit. It's been a while since I read it.

Point is, I can't really see him working in a prison environment. His thing is that he can kill with no repercussions I think.

Squee might though. The universe hates him enough for him to end up inside.

>>84264567
>"My poor insane son."

It's funny since there was an episode (fully recorded, but never animated) where as soon as Dib stopped obsessing with Zim, Zim lost all dive to conquer the Earth and Dib was actually very good at regular science, enough so to impress his dad and make him genuinely proud of him.

But anyway, what should Penny talk to Dora about when they meet? The agent (TBA, just needs to be someone tiny, but preferably someone who saves people) who spoke with Dora unofficially in solitary briefed her on the conversation she'd be having beforehand so she'd know what responses to give to indicate that she accepts the terms, but we haven't worked out what that conversation should entail since the whole thing is being tapped.

Perhaps she readed about how Dora was thrown into jail without a trial. This added up with her distrust at the whole idea of building the prison in the first place, how Interpol has no info about the Warden and the continuous disappearance of inmates that are Stand users.

>>84259809
>>84259809
Who?

>>84260571
I like this.

Similarly, should we include a El Tigre villain in part 6 too? I sorta want a Spanish speaking fight here. I was thinking of making a stand suggestion for El Oso, but I'll wait to post it in the morning.

>>84270251

>>84216153

I just had a great idea for something that should happen when Wizard Daffy enters the race, his name gets announced...and then we cut to the underworld where we get this exchange.

>"Is that you?"
>"Nyet, all of myself was deestroyed during Carolina in de mornink. Beside, I would neffer wear somethink that stupid."

the irony there is that daffy still looks like Leterally, M.E.

>>84271467
I dunno. I'd kind of like to leave it ambiguous as to whether that actually is LeTerally or not, at least until the characters work it out.

>>84271467

Nah, that'd be better served as an off panel joke after Nobody figures out that Wizard is neither Danger nor LeTerally.

>>84266977
I'm wondering if maybe Penny should fuck things about with Technologic to let her talk to Dora more openly. It'd be pretty hard to write an entirely coded conversation that'd be interesting enough to properly advance the plot.

>>84272878
If the Warden sees her use [Technologic], odds are he won't be letting her leave the prison.

And it's a bit too soon for Penny to be captured.

>>84273350
Yeah, I meant that she'd secretly use Technologic to futz out the internals of whatever she's talking to Dora through, stopping the Warden from listening in.

>>84273646
Right, it lets her understand how any piece of technology works and repair it.

I keep forgetting it has that functionality since we never made much (if any) use of it in part 4, just the "punch things with it enough times and they'll disassemble" power.

So she can break the surveillance systems, have her conversation with Dora, and repair everything before security storms in.

Does anyone remember what Cindy Vortex's Stand ended up being? It's not in the doc and doesn't seem to show up at all in the fight description.

>>84274936
Turns your thoughts against you like the Ghostbusters "choose the method of your destruction" thing. Only the thing your brain picks is only powerful against you and no one else.

>>84270419
Do it mang.

>>84265629
Dora should be slow in developing her Stand

So slow a lot of people think all she does is see stands.

>>84275774
Okay. So, Suzie gets assigned to the psych ward for some reason - probably excess creeping - and does the thing where she determines that Dora must just be able to see Stands.
Eventually Dora realises that she's leaving the footprints, and thinks "Is this... a Stand power?"
Then in the fight at the conclusion of the psych ward arc, she summons These Boots for the first time to deliver an ass kicking.

>>84264688
He owned up to too much in death. He played it off too "sure I did bad shit. But it's ok now right? I was crazy yknow?"

Having Woody be so damaged by him makes it work a bit towards working again.

Maybe Woody was the kid who wrote "Being Other People". When the Warden got his hands on him and brought back the trauma, it ptonally fucked him up fierce.

>>84275812
I like it

>>84275812
She gets assigned there because she kept following Dora around (red footprints).

I don't think she should discover the blue footprints until the excavation. Those make her significantly more powerful as a stand user and if the Warden found out about them as soon as she developed them, he'd be sending her off to play horrible games in PI much sooner than we currently have planned.

>>84263527
I almost want to use Shirley and Gogo as his kids, but that'd make Woody out of place.

>>84275911
That's what I was thinking with the blue ones.
>She gets assigned there because she kept following Dora around (red footprints).
Me-Mow describes her as Dora's accomplice when Dredd starts asking questions, and others back her up by saying they were hanging around together?

>>84275936
Suzie doesn't get sent to solitary. Dredd saw the assault and knows who did what in this case.

Suzie just goes back to being lonely in her cell for a few days, which disappoints the Warden since Dora was about to get her out and about.
So the Warden might assign Suzie to go wherever Dora goes since she seems to be able to make Suzie more interesting.

>>84275915
>>84263527
I really don't want to have Shirley used for that role since she's from Tiny Toons and Plucky was from Tiny Toons.

I don't think we should have the kids be from the same shows.

>>84276000
Well, yeah; Plucky, Shirley and Gogo were all birds from Tiny Toons, and Daffy is a Looney Tune, which is why I thought it might work.

So if we want RoboDale in the psych ward, what do we want his "arc" to be? What do the girls do to get him out of there?

>>84276493
Why would they bother busting him out? Penny's the only one who would care about him being stuck in there.

>>84276493
Realize that he has become the oppressive "The Man" he has always hated.

He sees that Strickland has become everything he fought. That ought fuck him up.

>>84276493
Isn't he a guard though?

There should be something that shows what the prison staff is doing goes against Dale's sensibilities and also goes against what Hank would've wanted.

Like Dale sees the Warden or Dredd using charcoal and realizes these are not the kinds of people Hank would approve of, then tries to convince Bobby of this.

>>84276901
Bobby cares too.

The man who saw him grow up was put in a robot body at the same age he is now.

Dale is an immortal full body amputee. He has potential

>>84276956
>Realize that he has become the oppressive "The Man" he has always hated.
There's an image of a Darth Vader sand sculpture with a caption to that effect floating around somewhere.

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>>84275774
Here's a go at a stand.

>[MONSTER MAN] or [SOUL COUGHING]
>The stand resembles an Aztec-styled bear creature.
>The stand allows the user to place [handprints] on things. These handprints gradually break down whatever they've been placed on. The effect is extremely slow and completely unnoticeable unless force is being applied. If the user were to place a handprint on a wall and continue pushing on it with enough force, the wall would decay and break apart. Force speeds up the effects of the entropy. Even something as simply as pressing down on a handprint with a thumb will cause whatever it's placed on to loose energy and start to break.
>The handprints can be placed on a human as well, draining them of body mass and destroy their body if there is enough force on them, weakening them.
>Attempting to struggle against the user in a physical way only speeds up the process of bodily destruction. However they can still fight back. Additionally, stands, including the stand itself, will not cause damage if they apply pressure.

I wanted to try and do a sort of antithesis of Dora's stand I guess? It's sorta hard to explain. Basically the stand makes crushing things very easy. Not sure how good it is for him though. The effects were inspired by the album El Oso.

>>84276901
Because Penny, who's responsible for helping them, cares about him being stuck there. Also, backup.
I'm not necessarily thinking they'd bust him out, anyway; just make it so that he's less passive and no longer under the Warden's control.
>>84276961
I think the idea was that he was basically kicked out by the prison staff in a hostile takeover? They did something to him that broke his spirit and stuck him in the psych ward.

>>84278774
That's not. The Warden built the prison, he never had to do a hostile take over.

RoboDale needs to, at first, think he's still doing the right thing. Then something happens while Dora is in the psych ward that gets Dale questioning the Warden's methods.

>>84279185
I think hostile takeover refers to him getting kicked out of Strickland's board of directors. Something has to have happened that would get RoboDale out of Strickland's business sector and into being a guard.

>>84279185
Maybe it could be an overall subplot for the psych ward arc? He gets on board in time to help our heroes defeat Ludwig.
His "Stand cry" when firing whatever weapons he has is going to be "shi-shi-shi-shi-shaw", right?

>>84280409
>when firing whatever weapons he has
a high-pressure Sand machine gun?

>>84281749
There was a pretty neat Stand designed for him a while back; maybe it could be used to create ammo for him? Or is that overcomplicating things?
http://desuarchive.org/co/thread/80860954/#80863097
If it's Robo-Dale, though, its name should be changed to [GRABBAG]

>>84281880
If I remember correctly, Dale was empowered with Melody in part 1 by Eustace, and combined it with his pocket sand. Should he retain that ability?
And Speaking of part 1, is there a reason for that big space before the title?

>>84279704

I imagine that at some point Strickland's chairmanship was assumed by an unsavory businessman that did everything the opposite that Hank idealized. RoboDale fought against it, but was defeated, reprogrammed and sent to Superjail to work as a guard.

That would be my suggestion.

>>84282692
Nah, I wouldn't imagine he can channel the Melody himself, and even the best joke gets forgotten if nobody's got the knack to tell it.

>>84276000

Eh, from an outer canon perspective, Shirley's the best choice for one of his spawn given that she was loosely inspired by Melissa Duck, Daffy's in-universe gal until the reboot brought in Tina.

>>84283620

Thatherton or Wassanasong?

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>>84284986
I say Wassanasong.

>>84284449
I like this.
>>84281749
Yes. With settings for stun, hurt, and kill.

>>84277459
I like this.

Imagine a fight on the prison cieling, with Oso making traps out of the glass ceiling of the atrium.

>>84286179
It'd have to be his son, or he'd be a very old man.

>>84286179

Tell me there's more of this and it's not just a one-off.

>>84287188

>Even in adult life, Bobby still can't shake Chase

It'd be perfect.

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Don't stop now, ya bastards.

Who is gonna be the patient(s) with the berserker Stand?

>>84288114
So, part 6

>Ride to jail
>Meet your new roommate
>Fight pedo dad
>Solitary
>Meeting with Penny
>Meeting with Bobby Hill
>Psych Ward
>???
>Join excavation team
>Find dinosaur Dan deep below the jail
>Prison riot?
>Enter [Pure Imagination]?
>???
etc.

That's what I assume is so far "solid" about part 6.

Next post will be dedicated to what we currently have for the solitary part.

>>84288515
>Dora enters the cafeteria, goes to get some food, picks up a tray, calmly walks over to Me-Mow before she notices her, and hits her in the throat with it before smashing her face with that tray.
>Me-Mow is on the floor wiping some blood off her face. She begins to glow with stand power, extends her claws, then, as she's leaping into the air, she crashes back down to the floor gripping a spot on her neck that we can see some kind of rash to moving tattoo spreading from.
>Before Dora can do anything else, she's grabbed by Dredd who offers her two choices: continue and be executed, or comply and spend some number of months in solitary.
>I supposed we should have a scene with Wong after they leave looking menacingly at his subordinates

>We cut to the Warden who was watching and he's a little crestfallen that things didn't get to go on a little longer.

>Notes on solitary:
>-Just a hallway full of large, metal doors with a ridiculous number of chains and bolts on them.
>-Rooms are poorly furnished, padded, though the material is scratched up and sometimes peeling off, and full of weird shit. Mannequins and surgical equipment are common features. Occasionally there will be drab colored or rusty metal cabinets that are empty, or filled with murky jars. Not all rooms have the same things. Sometimes there will be just chairs in a room, or a single mannequin. Other pieces of furniture are rusty and worn. Tables will be rusted metal and sometimes have wheels. There is a dirty bedpan or bucket in every room.
cont.

>>84288669
>-"Beds" if you can call them that are just frames with some strange, flexible material poorly stretched over it. Feels like flesh. Sometimes they have stitches on them. The walls have been known to ooze green slime. Certain rooms have vents from where horrifying noises emanate.
>-Every room has a one way mirror in it. And due to the air purifier failing in that section of the prison, it's covered in a slight fog and smells horrible.
>-It's also dark, dark enough to mistake a few of the manikins for the prisoners who are, according to the paperwork, supposed to be there. As you can imagine, they are all actually in PI.
>-Speaking of paperwork, according to it most of the prisoners in solitary kill themselves pretty quickly. The higher ups want to look into why, but when they see the types of psychos that go in there they brush it under the rug.

>Dora's being escorted to her solitary cell
>She's looking through the door windows, at the people in them slumped on the chairs or in their beds
>She realizes something, and looks closer
>The guy in the cell she's going past is just a mannequin
>We get a "what the fuck is going on" moment, though she doesn't say anything

>While in solitary some small character (someone from the Rescue Rangers, or Bernard and Miss Bianca from The Rescuers, or Atom Ant) comes out of a crack in the wall and talks to her. How there’s going to be an Interpol agent visiting soon and how they will arrange to have a meeting with her and how if she accepts the terms, they can do various things for her to get her out of jail and at least a fair trial.
>Penny Gadget Visits the jail, meets with Dora (bullet proof glass between them and discussion are recorded over the phone).
>Uses [Technologic] to speak more privately with Dora
>She wants Dora to do some spy work for her, in exchange she'll get her out of this prison and arrange for a fair trail with leniency
cont. because I cut at the wrong line to fit it into 2 posts.

>>84288692
>Gets everything put back together because security comes in to see what stopped the feed

>Back in solitary the small agent gives Dora communication device. Dora is released from solitary the next morning.
>Suzie is surprised and overjoyed the Dora came back to her since most people who get sent to solitary never come back.

Anyway, solitary is the next part to write out, that's what we have for it so far.

>>84288515
I don't think we have the riot there.

I believe it's

> Dinosaur Dan
> Prison Break
> Enter PI

Someone earlier pitched a scene between Psych Ward and Excavation Team that would have Dora and Co. break into the mundane offices of the prison to find schematics for a breakout, fighting a not-guard employee (a janitor?) who happened to be around at the time and was a low-key stand user along the way.

The prison riot is planned for the Third Act, sometime after the majority of the Superjail portion. No idea if the riot is in PI, out of PI, or both in and out of PI, but in any case it's the big climax of the part.

>>84288869
Dora also needs to retrieve the map and backpack from the evidence locker before going to the excavation

>>84289016
That would make finding Dan easier if the map was showing her the way.

Which tunnel would lead further down and which would be certain death.

>>84290129
Then it should be after they release Dinosaur Dan and before she is sucked into PI. Does she fight during solitary confinement? If so, against who? one of the rogue Stands product of Von Drake's treatment?

>>84252968
You guys are now on part 6?!

Can Rex Salazar get in? His stand was 「HARDER, BETTER, FASTER, STRONGER」.

>>84292652
He's in and gets killed in Part 5. A tower falls on him.

>>84293053
No, that was Rex Banner, and I'm sure he survived the collapse of the tower

What if one of the Racers in Part 7 was the Top? Give him [Dead Or Alive] and things should be fine and dandy.
>>84292848

>>84292652

I think he's a racer in part 7; he wouldn't have much use in the prison.

>>84289016
I like that, but then we'd have to completely rework Giffany's debut, since she's only meant to appear in the evidence locker in Superjail.
Plus, why would Dora's greatest desire be to find Dan rather than to escape?

>>84291401
No, I don't think she fights anyone in solitary.

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>LeTerally and 「LA CUCARACHA/CAROLINA IN THE MORNING」:

The idealization and reckless expansion of one's 「identity」

>Plucky and 「FORTUNATE SON/WAYWARD SON」:

The ability to escape from the trappings of one's 「identity」 before learning to use it as a means of shaping the world around him

>Danger Duck and 「SPECTRUM」:

The failed clone whose form failed to recapture the strength of a singular 「identity」 but whose body could alter and shift in order to aid those around him

>Stand Master: Shirley McLoon
>Stand: 「GHOSTS N STUFF」
>Appearance: A female duck humanoid dressed in gypsy style garb, its eyes and the top of its bill covered by a veil emblazoned with an image of the tree of life
>Ability: 「GHOSTS N STUFF」 operates as a punch ghost stand that carries the ability to suppress it and it's user's presence by allowing them to weave in and out of 「existence」 by switching themselves into a slightly higher plane where matter is still contactable but living creatures become intangible. While in the altered state, the user is capable of speaking directly to a creature's 「soul」 and imparting upon it suggestions and directives which can have their impetus compounded if used over long periods of time.
>The shift in planes carries a fatal weakness however. Although the naked eye cannot perceive the Stand and its effects, viewing them through any type of 「middleman」 such as cameras, windows or even glasses allows them to be perceived.

Power: B
Range: E
Precision: C
Durability: D
Speed: C
Developmental Potential: B

And thus, Shirley carries the ability to snuff out her own 「identity」 and utilize the void created to her own ends.

>>84296521
What would Woody Woodpecker's 「AIN'T NO SON」 represent, then? The desire to oppress and control the 「identity」of others?
Otherwise, that seems okay, though the "suggestions to the soul" thing seem like they've been done before with Plucky and Rolf's Remastered Stands.
I liked the idea of all of Daffy's kids' Stands having "son"/"daughter" in the name, though. 「ANYONE'S DAUGHTER」?

>>84296692

I'm not seeing his Stand on the archive, mind relinking? Also, for the soul thing, it's really just a reference to all of the occult style stuff Shirl was into. It's just subtle mental manipulation, the light touch to Daffy's sledgehammer.

>>84297001
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/83391915/#83473726
I'm kind of tempted to have all of Daffy's kids be birds from Tiny Toons - Plucky, Shirley, Sweetie Pie and Gogo Dodo, with Woody as the odd one out. Sweetie's a sadist and Gogo's nuts, so they'd fit in Pure Imagination.
I'm kind of apprehensive about pushing too many of these guys. It's a balance between having them feel like they could be a cohesive group and not overwhelming the part with them. Maybe Woody should be the only one with an actual fight, with the others just pitching in in the riot?

>>84297156

Cut off one of them, since 4 characters to represent Daffy's kids is too much.

>>84297281
Yeah, I was thinking that. Woody, Shirley and Gogo as the ones in the prison? Woody is our Donatello, the other two are our Rikiel and Ungalo. That also has the benefit of making none of them obviously based on another prominent character.
I'm still unsure whether we should have them be his legitimate kids with Tina or his illegitimate kids from after he left. The latter means we don't have to explain away them never being mentioned previously, and that people won't have to suspend their disbelief that they aren't ducks, but in my head Daffy has a specific brand of assholery distinct from Dio's; rather than banging women and then abandoning them, he'd have kids for the sake of his ego, and neglect them while he was there.

>>84297395
They're not going to be from Tina, I'll say that right now.

If we're actually going through with this "other children" thing being in our part 6, might as well go all the way with it and have them all be from different mothers.

>>84297798
So who wrote "Being Other People"?

Woody?
Shirley?
Gogo?

>>84298045
Shirley.

>>84298070
How does Bobby feel about a book he recommends being written by someone who is incarcerated at the same prison he works at?

>>84300347
I think it's either an anonymous book or it was written with a pseudonym

I feel like all these kids are going to be a lot of padding and confusion for little benefit. Is there any reason that we shouldn't just cut it down to Woody and have that be that?
If we really want Shirley et al in, maybe they were other kids of powerful Stand users being held at the Looniversity for the same reason Plucky was. Since they're potentially powerful themselves, the Warden stuck them in Superjail.
Or something. I'm just thinking that adding the others doesn't do much for the story, and it's just going to lead to more pushback against the kids as a whole.

>>84301513
I don't really care much for the "Daffy had other kids" thing either. I'm just waiting for someone to come up with a really good reason why we should do that other than it was a thing in Stone Ocean.

But that shit is for later as I have said before and will probably have to say many more times in the future.

We aren't anywhere near the part in part 6 where they would be relevant unless they are being foreshadowed in the part we are working on right now, which isn't even the psych ward, it's the solitary confinement part.

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>>84301952
>I'm just waiting for someone to come up with a really good reason why we should do that other than it was a thing in Stone Ocean.
Well, it's not like most of the shit in /co/co/ has more of a reason than that to be in. See pic related.
Anyway, I feel like we need to build up some of the earlier parts more than we have now - the fight with Frizzle, Dora's introduction to the prison, Dora being shown around... I'd rather do it sooner so it isn't declared "done".

>>84302523
Someone said they were working on the Frizzle fight, but who knows if they're still doing that.
I'm not even sure how Dora would have a fight with Frizzle since she can't do anything on the bus without answering trivia questions and anons seem dead set on having her be the strong silent type who doesn't talk until the "can you say 'I'm stupid'?" in Spanish part after she's arrived at the prison.

I do feel there should be a "tour" of the prison before they reach the cafeteria.

Whatever I've done so far for part 6 has not been particularly well received, so I'm actually waiting to see if someone else will step up to the plate.

>>84303059
So, how long will be the pre-Pure Imagination part?
>I'm not even sure how Dora would have a fight with Frizzle
I think is supposed to be either a fight before being captured or someone else will fight Frizzle

>>84304352
Pre-PI >>84288515

Just replace riot with escape attempt.

Frizzle is probably going to get more than one fight, but it's whatever fight before the jail that everyone seems to be pushing for and also confused about.

>>84304448
So do people want to start the part with a Frizzle "fight"? Or just jump right in to Dora in jail and have her capture be a flashback/bonding moment with Suzie?

>>84305546
There is already a small flashback at the beginning of the part when she's on the bus, perhaps said flashback is elaborated later on the story

>>84295656
I see, I thought the evidence locker and similar sections were moved to the real world prison

>>84307598
Here's what I thought was happening.

Sometime during the psych ward arc Dora manages to get her map back, she uses it to help her NOT DIE (her greatest desire at the time) when under the jail on the excavation team.

I thought that once they get sucked into PI, the Warden (fake clone Warden who is basically the Warden's brain controlling an indestructible body formed from PI) would snatch it from her with a "Ohhhhh, what's this?" then his eyes almost shoot through it when he sees what the map is showing him: the location of all the stand jawbreaker caches the WB set up around the world.

He gets so excited about that he decides to dump Dora and Suzie somewhere in PI that isn't an instant death before running off to pass it into the real world into his real hands so that he can send someone to go collect a bunch of them.

Frizzle fights Penny at one of the locations and either wins and commandeers the bus to sneak into the prison, or loses and is taken prisoner.
If Penny wins that fight, then Dora's backpack will provide the jawbreakers needed to supercharge PI.
If Penny loses the fight, then the bus gets loaded up with jawbreakers and takes them back to the prison.

My point is, Dora loses her map twice.

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>>84307861
The stone jaguar from Road to El Dorado wasn't used in part 2, right? That thing could be stationed in the lower levels of the excavation as part of the older prison's security.
And about the psych ward arc, if Ludwig uses psychoanalysis during his fight, Should we reveal who is Dora's mother in that part?

>>84308594
We did not use it in part 2, no.

We are free to use it here when they get down to the pillarman levels of the old prisons.

>>84308594
>>84308755
>Tzekel-Kan [JAGUAR MODE]- basically that huge stone jaguar statue from the movie, we could give it some explanation to not make it seem like a Stand. Tzekel-Kan has gained mastery over his bones, allowing him to sprout bone-like protrusions from his body such as claws or spikes. Would this work better?

it's in part 2

>>84309203
No, he never assumes GIANT stone cat form. I don't think he does anyway, not unless that was expanded upon since the last time I checked doc 2.

He's able to rearrange his bones.

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>>84308594
>>84254450
>>84253332
I had another ideia for a Ludwig Stand.

[SCHIZOPHRENIA]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRLstSmWUno

Appearence: It's basically Jojofied Puff the magic dragon. He just seems to follow Ludwig around or appear when he calls his name. Unlike most Stands, it can talk freely.

Ability: Maybe that pink smoke he uses to do pretty much everything in his cartoon, in here the smoke might just create dream-like visions on victims. Maybe it remains forever unrevealed since he thinks "using it" will drive him even more insane.

User Interaction: Ludwig thinks he's ill because of this Stand, and diagnoses it as some sort of Schizophrenia (which is ironically the Stand's name, and thus calling it a Schizophrenia isn't really wrong).
He thinks it is the same illness that affects the people of psychward, so he uses it to study and to understand the nature of Stands, which he admits it's some kind of Melody-related abomination/illness.
He coworks with his equally-intellectual Stand sometimes, but he still doesn't believe Stands are anything but somekind of illness or psychosis in need to be cured by psychological methods.

>>84309203
>>84309382
If memory serves, his Mode was similar to Marrow's mutation

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>>84301513
>>84301952

Had an idea for that. Realistically, the Warden has rounded up LeTerally's brood to take advantage of their inheritance of his absurdly high Development Potential but also the natural boost that second generation Stand Users are known for. Essentially, he's placed them into PI to try to recreate the stimuli that brought about CAROLINA IN THE MORNING, which to date remains one of the most powerful Stands. And with the right push, his kids can easily exceed even that. At the end of the day, the Warden either gains some incredibly strong allies or gets to consume Stand users with an ungodly amount of STAR.

>>84307861
Now this, I like. Penny seems a natural fit to fight Frizzle.
>>84308594
>And about the psych ward arc, if Ludwig uses psychoanalysis during his fight, Should we reveal who is Dora's mother in that part?
This too. Then we elaborate on it when the gang are trying to persuade Woody to sympathise with them enough to not kill them, since he's also got a shitty villain parent.

>>84309809
That makes sense, and is mostly what I was thinking, though I'm still concerned about working them in in a way that seems naturalistic and doesn't dominate the part.
Maybe he's also trying to emulate the creation of Wayward Son, which he doesn't have all the details on, but is fully aware that it's one of the most STARry Stands in existence.
(We can assume that Requiem Stands aren't public knowledge enough for the Warden to have found out about them.)

>>84309950

Given that he got the push to establish the prison after the Rape of the Old Country, I think they'd have trusted him with that information.

>>84310109
Well, Mandark was a high ranking WB assassin who learned how to Remaster from them, Rolf found out by accident, and Plucky managed it via unique circumstances. It's feasible that Rolf never told Strickland and/or that the information was contained by the WB.
Do you ever write a post for this project and realise how fucking weird what you've just said is?

>>84310586

We've gone beyond the pale ages ago, friend.

>>84309562

>He thinks it is the same illness that affects the people of psychward, so he uses it to study and to understand the nature of Stands, which he admits it's some kind of Melody-related abomination/illness.
>He coworks with his equally-intellectual Stand sometimes, but he still doesn't believe Stands are anything but somekind of illness or psychosis in need to be cured by psychological methods.

I think that could also apply to Professor Membrane, given he wouldn't want to classify his own Stand as a supernatural ability and rather as an enhanced mental skill and would try to explain its origins through theories based on science.

He would likely to talk to Ludwig to share ideas about Stands, with Ludwig convincing Membrane that Smooth Operator is a hallucination, a side effect of his mental abilities getting bigger, and both men being in constant denial that Stands are spiritual forces because that isn't "scientific at all".

>>84310586
All the time, but only when I stop to think about it.
Then I keep thinking "we can still keep going from here" and I want to see what other bullshit we manage to come up with. Hell, the current plot is:
>Dora the explorer has been sent to Superjail for smuggling stand granting jawbreakers across boarders. There she must contend with super powered criminals, gang violence, and the Warden's antics all while the [something something something CoCo] plans her escape.

Still needs work.

>>84310966
Farnsworth would laugh at them for being idiots.

>>84310966
After the fight, Von Drake should snap and be put on the ward with his own patients, like Strange in The Batman or Riddler on that old movie

>>84311205
huh, the previous sinopsis was more complete and didn't mentioned the gang plot

>>84311639
>Nobody else knows how to work any of his weird and unethical treatment devices, so they have to go back to using traditional therapy methods
I like it. Feels like a genuine "defeat" for him without the Warden catching on.

>>84311639
The previous one was full of outdated information and stuff we had tossed out.

>>84307861
I like the idea, but don't have it be a direct clone of the Warden. It softens the big moment when everyone's thrown into PI.

>>84312398
No, I mean the plot summary:
>The Warden, in pursuit of a world behind the bars of his deranged choosing, traps various individuals within a nightmarish prison hellscape produced by his stand. While he did work for Daffy and is using his assets to carry out his will, his perfect world isn't going to ｢CAROLINA IN THE MORNING｣ because whereas Daffy was an ultra-narcissist with a desire to see only himself, the Warden is a sadistic manchild who just wants to torture people for his own pleasure forever. Of the many people trapped inside are a number of Flavors of the Month, who have been imprisoned for overstaying their welcome.

The last line is only one that could allude to Waifu Ocean. And the connection between LeTerally and Warden was never explained in the original draft (I had the idea that he was one of the clones in the final fight of part 3)

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The cover for the new Ironman comic couldn´t make the job easier.

I was going to put this in the ironman threat but it got deleted. Even so there were 460 replies and nobody pointed this out.

Should the stand name be Black Sabbath or Iron Man?

>>84312689
Someone hasn't read part 6.

And anyway, we aren't including main supes, nor extremely controversial characters (to my knowledge), nor characters we know pretty much nothing about yet.

If it comes out and isn't shit, maybe part 7. But we literally have no idea about her.

I was reading part 2 again and I just realized something: Kida's Mode was basically CalArt arms

>>84312689
Goddammit, I bet it's another legacy character now that Rhodes bit the dust

>>84312736
>>84312689

Politics aside, this lady has zero characterisation and seems like she'll only be around for a year or two. Tops.

Besides, being a derivative character makes moving her into this project a fucking nightmare, as almost all her character will be based on surpassing a character that doesn't exist in the new story.

Basically, if you're going to use this character at all, keep in mind either Jason Todd or Steel play her part better than she ever will.


Having Steel be in PArt 7 might work. He DID pick up the mantle of superhero after Superman died and wanted to keep his values alive.

>>84312951
A truly disgusting power. But an effective one nonetheless.

Poor Milo never scored with her though.

>>84312449
No, no, the clone of the Warden that takes the map is the same one who welcomes them to PI.

>>84312510
He never worked for Daffy, the summary focuses too much on Daffy, we're not doing flavors of the month, there's no mention of Dora, the main character of the part.

There's a lot of things wrong with it even before the part 6 revamp.
It focuses on the wrong things.

>>84312957
Wasn't there a public domain superhero from the Golden age in the race? He could end up becoming a real superhero (again) after the race, trying to follow Superman's steps

>>84313087
>we're not doing flavors of the month
Yeah, that's what I said. Heck, I may get out of my lazy ass and work in a summary tommorrow.

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>>84314396
Jack was someone I suggested for the race. He has no [identity] or a very diminished one. He used to be called "Yellow Jacket" or something, but that's copyrighted by another character now.

He's a blank slate, the only suggestions for him are he rides a segway in the race with a bath towel for a cape while making flying noises with his arms above his head like Freakazoid did.

But back to part 6. At some point I or someone else will need to weave
>>84288669
>>84288692
>>84288725
into story instead of cliff notes.

I think whoever Dora meets in solitary should fight Plankton later in the part, assuming Plankton is even being kept in this part, as a battle between tiny characters.

>>84314637
The conversation between Dora and Penny should start with the topic of her smuggling charges, and when Dora loses interest in the discussion, Penny mentions that she also wants to talk about something else, at this point a hand from [Technologic] manifests alongside Penny's own hand and grabs the telephone wire (not sure how to graphic the effect of the Stand), then Penny tells Dora about all the irregularities that transpire inside the prison and how neither Interpol or Strickland have info about who is the Warden. Then she offers her the deal to work alongside her.
Who is gonna be the tiny agent?

>>84312510
>>84314396

What's the timeframe between Autistico and now? I feel like taking a crack at this.

>>84315350
I don't know the exact timeframe, the whole Man of Murder finale was what allowed Warden to get his project greenlighted, and Dora appeared as a child in the epilogue while she is a teenager in part 6. So it needs to be enough time for Dora to grow up and for the Warden to turn the Panopticon into a functional prison.

>>84315545

So roughly 5-7 years then?

>>84315346
I'm leaning more towards Atom Ant since he isn't a rodent. While the other suggestions would work, I feel we played up the mouse angle with Taffy in part 5.

>>84315350
At minimum, 4 years for the prison to be built and for Dora to age up.

Could be longer, but we can't have it be too much time for Interpol to be dealing with an unknown like the Warden.

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How about Chef working in the prison cafeteria and giving Dora some advice?

>>84315627
His stand HAS to be named Adam Ant though if we're using him.

>>84315962
Plankton was suggested to have snuck into the prison by possessing someone in the cafeteria staff. Could Chef be his unlucky victim?

>>84316244
No idea what his stand would even do. I just like him for an option since he'd be the size of an ant.

>>84316276
That'd work since Chef is dead and all.

Why would Plankton sneak into prison though?

>>84316456
Maybe he knows about the Warden's plan and wants to take it over the prison to hijack the plan, however, he ignores the fact that the Panopticon itself is just half (or a third) of the Warden's scheme.

>>84316584
That's rather weak reasoning.

He might as well just be another inmate who happens to work in the cafeteria. He could've been captured, but no one knows he's actually who they captured since they thought the person he's possessing is responsible for whatever he did to get arrested. Now he'd biding his time, waiting for the perfect moment to escape.

>>84315627
>>84315545

>The WB and their demonic benefactors have fallen but the shadow of their works still hangs over the world. With the Old Country in shambles and Jawbreakers flooding into the black market, it quickly became clear that the Stand situation could no longer be contained. But then a man stepped up with a cage big enough. The enigmatic Warden came forth with a plan to build a magnificent prison, designed from the ground up to detain and rehabilitate Stand Users. Seeing their out, the elites couldn't approve of it fast enough.

>Five years have passed and Belle Reve Correctional Facility has become a site shrouded in mystery, where Stand Users arrive only to never be seen again and its creator becoming more and more obsessed with creating his ideal world behind the concrete walls. Dora Marquez, the girl who kicked down the door for the spread of the Jawbreakers, has found herself behind the walls, plumbing the depths of the facility and the madman at the heart of it all.

>>84316682
Now that's a synopsis

>>84316668
He's supposed to be a big threat during the final part/the riot.

His thing was that he was attempting to take over the prison from the Warden IIRC. After PI gets knocked down, he makes a move.

>>84316984
Yeah, but that doesn't really work now that we've figured out how PI works.

Really need to do a write up about how PI works since it isn't clearly listed on the doc.

>>84317035
「PURE IMAGINATION」
>Appearance: An ornate Jailbot which also resembles a tombstone in some ways.
>Abilities: 「PURE IMAGINATION」 functions as a door to his own magical realm of endless torture and imprisonment.
>The realm imitates the real world within a 2 kilometer radius of the Warden's location (it's a pocket dimensions that copies the real world). Within this world, the Warden is effectively a god who can do whatever he wants, but must be focused and concentrate to create changes in the world. To escape this world one must either travel outside of the Warden's range or find the Jailbot door exit. As the Warden never leaves his prison, people sent into [Pure Imagination] are unable to escape the Warden's range as they are trapped within a copy of the prison.
>People cannot die inside this world without the Warden's approval. If a stand user dies inside of [Pure Imagination], a portion of their STAR energy is absorbed by it and used to recreated them, resulting in a "respawn" elsewhere, though it is agonizingly painful.

>>84317035
>Really need to do a write up about how PI works
Indeed, the only thing I recall about it is that he uses whatever is in the top of the tower as a focusing lense and increases its range of effect. That, and how it feeds on the death of Stand users inside it

>>84317616
Already got it covered.

Is 2 kilometers too small to copy the entire prison within the pocket dimension?
The range of the world inside PI needs to extend far enough so that no matter where in the jail the Warden goes, no part of the world within PI that's copying the prison will be near the edge.

It could be a thing later in part 6 to kidnap the Warden and fly him away from the jail so that everyone trapped in PI gets released back into the real world prison.

Slightly off-topic, but I have a question about sentient stands in the /co/co/ universe.

(Presently we only have 2 or so sentient stands, but that's beside the point.)

As stands in the /co/co/ universe are essentially an ascended form of Melody, would a sentient stand be able to use simple forms of Melody? If not, why?

>>84317747
I dunno, we didn't defined the prison dimensions, only how the tower allows the Warden to target anything inside its walls

>>84318131
from the original pastebin:
>They are thought to be an evolution of the Melody in that they are the next step in altering reality through one's own willpower.
You could theorize that a sentient Stand evolved to no longer depend of both ｢Belief｣ and ｢Timing｣, maybe they can warp reality in a similar fashion to Melody, or in their evolution they lost the full array of Melody powers, being restricted to the scope of their Stand powers.

>>84318383

Personally, I believe that a sentient stand would not depend on ｢Belief｣ or ｢Timing｣, but could still harness such and therefore could harness Melody.

>>84318565
Well, if Xavier is still a sentient Stand (and not an actual angel) that's a good example of pulling Melody-like feats (like his head exploding in the tower or turning his body into a portal). What other sentient Stands we have?

>>84318700

[BRAINS!] and [ADAGIO FOR STRINGS], if I remember correctly.

[BRAINS!] has no part currently.

[ADAGIO FOR STRINGS] is set to appear in Part 8, but has no role as of yet.

>>84316682
Dora's a runner though. She wasn't in charge of anything when she got caught.

>>84318902
oh right, Brains! appeared in part 5, though he didn't displayed any particular power besides knowing the exact location of Gideon. Checking the Stand doc there is also Pond Scum as [Municipal Waste] with no particular part assigned yet.

>>84318700
It's ambiguos. As he does ascend to heaven and takes an angelic form after he dies.

>>84319032

Okay so that makes a total of 3 sentient stands, possibly 4 if Xavier is a sentient stand as well.

That's actually not all that many, compared to the amount of stands we've already made.

>>84319036
He's an angel.

>>84319089

Also, I hadn't heard that Brains! was used. Bit out of the loop, it seems.

>>84319089
I almost forgot, there is also the Hey Kids! monster, but that thing is even more ambiguous than Xavier since we never explained its real nature (besides being a "meta monster")

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>>84319452

Did a quick sketch of Adagio manifesting Melody.
Honestly, if sentient stands are capable of using Melody it would make the sentient stands much more unique and interesting.

>>84319089
Lord Byron's Luggage, Dream Theater and Driver 8 are also sentient, albeit not independent.

So the "jailbots" in Pure Imagination aren't actually Jailbots, right? Did we ever decide what they actually look like?
Maybe they look like the robots from Robotomy?
>>84317545
Add to this that the Warden can choose to instead absorb all of their STAR, thereby permanently destroying their soul and body, and we're golden.

>>84319003

It's more that she found the map of the caches.

>>84323460
Shit, I like this idea. Both because the kind of ramshackle look of the robots makes it believable that they could be more economical versions of Robo-Dale and Gadget's bodies, and because Superjail and Robotomy are by the same guys.
Now I want a Thunderbite fight, thought.

>>84318383
We probably should figure out how big the prison is.

And what the range of the jailbot door is, like how far it can go from the Warden's person.

>>84317747
>>84323836
I think Pure Imagination having a range of 4km would be appropriate. Assuming the prison is roughly circular, that'd give Superjail a maximum diameter of 2km (so the Warden can control the whole thing no matter where in the prison he goes), and an area of over 3km squared. That's almost twice the area of Rikers Island, which I think would be a good goal for the Warden to have.
The Panopticon is probably significantly smaller than Superjail, which the Warden has built on and expanded into his dream prison.

>>84324005
The range of the world within PI was probably once much smaller, but then the Warden figured out how to absorb STAR energy and was able to make it bigger.

But what is the range of the punch ghost (it probably can't punch) floating around the Warden? How far away can a person be from him and still get pulled into his world?

>>84324005
>Assuming the prison is roughly circular
well, that's how a panopticon is usually portrayed

>>84324306
Maybe is close range (the size of a whole room perhaps), that's why he needs the tower to boost his range

>>84324005
Assuming the underground portions go deep it would also explain why he can't look for Dan himself- if Dan is too deep underground, he'd lose everyone in PI, and he doesn't want to risk it.

>>84324857
That's a good point.

But that also means he needs some extra security in PI to keep anyone from digging their way too far down.

>>84325074
Graboids. That or the ITALIAN BULL WORM!!!

>>84324785
>well, that's how a panopticon is usually portrayed
Yeah, but since we've got multiple wards, a cafeteria, etc., I'm assuming that it's not a "pure" panopticon, just that the main prisoner cell area is. There's other bits to it.
>>84325074
Couldn't he just transmute the bottom floor of PI into, like, solid impenetrable Diamondium?
Thinking about it, I'm kind of unsure about Pure Imagination mirroring the real world - to be as insane as Superjail is, the Warden would have to be able to reshape it at will, but then why would he need the Panopticon?

>>84320214
And dangerous.

I like it.

>>84323460
I thought the Jailbots were going to be the Judge Dredd Mechanismos

>>84325537
PI still uses the general shape of the panopticon and surrounding areas to its design. It's much easier to take something and bend it rather than make multiple things and bend them around.

As he gets more energy he'll start to make wackier shit. But at first itll need to at least sorta resemble the real jail.

>>84325620
>>84325537
Yeah, the reason why the Warden wanted a real world jail is so there would be already be a jail inside of PI to keep people from escaping his world.
Otherwise he'd have to create a jail from nothing inside that world and then also maintain it.

And I was thinking that the Warden shrinks people down when he puts people inside of PI, that way the world inside is still the same size, but it seems much bigger and can allow for more room for crazy things.

>>84325620
>>84325752
My issue is mostly if the Warden can twist the relatively mundane Belle Reve into the nightmare funfair land that's Superjail, why does he need it at all? Why couldn't he just twist any random city into a prison?
Personally, my justification for Belle Reve was always that he needed a way to obtain these Stand using criminals, and getting the US government to do it was much easier than hunting them down one by one himself.
>>84325569
Maybe the Robotomy bots can be the standard troopers, and the Mechanismos are Dredd's elites in Pure Imagination?

>>84325906
Because the guise of Belle Reve lets him gather up Stand users without attracting too much suspicion (up til now).

>>84325906

It keeps the governments and Interpol continually funneling stand users into his hands while also being a very nice front for his manic pursuits.

>>84325967
>>84326230
Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking. I just feel like the explanation "he needed Belle Reve because he wouldn't have a jail in PI otherwise" doesn't hold water. Those both work.

>>84326258
Having already made infrastructure to work with inside of PI is also a nice bonus on top of having stand users sent to him.

There's also the added benefit that if, for whatever reason, he has to travel from the jail, everyone who was stuck inside of PI will still be stuck inside of the real world jail when the edges of the Warden's world cease to cover their location.

Makes it easy to recapture everyone.

>>84326529

Would that work for the SUPERMAX prisoners though?

>>84326574
And that's why Dredd and the other stand user guards are in the real world jail.

>>84326602

Hmm, fair enough.

>>84326574
Where is supermax located? below the prison?

>>84328550

It was assumed to be in PI but having it be in one of the under-prisons makes a bit more sense.

>>84328550
I'm actually thinking that Supermax might not be that necessary. It wouldn't make a lot of sense with the endless death cycle goal of Pure Imagination, and the role of holding the most dangerous Stand users pretty much belongs to Superjail itself, now.

>>84329257
There still needs to be an "official" supermax section, though, for paperwork's sake. Sure a lot of prisoners kill themselves there (according to official records anyway) but it needs to exist.

>>84329353
Isn't that just solitary?

>>84295626
That would be perfect, but he's not on the doc.

>>84329369
I was going to say that, also, if killing themselves is the official version, what really happens to the prisoners in solitary? they are sucked into PI or something else kills them?

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Did we name the essence of cartoons "Melody" after the "Merrie Melodies" cartoons?
It made sense to me so I just wanted to know if you guys know anything about this.

>>84329743
that was the source of the name, yeah

>>84329475
Anyone who is "on the books" as having killed themselves is in PI.

In solitary, for the ones who they can't say killed themselves, they put a puppet in the cells they're said to be in.

>>84329257

Realistically, it ties back into the whole STAR harvesting thing. The Warden tosses them into PI so they can either grow strong or die and keeping too many apex predators in the population keeps that from happening.