Has everyone given up on Arrow yet, or are there still people here who plan to continue on with it?
Felicity ruined everything
It's finally oveur.
>>84243821
/tv/ is that way ----------->
Man I really have a hard time giving things up. But at some point I just couldn't continue with this season. It was like a chore. Everything felt so forced.
I actually skipped the last 4 episodes to the finale because it got so stiff.
I'm hoping next seasons Flashpoint will help reboot/reset Arrow a bit so that it's watchable again.
No wonder everyone on the reddit sub jumped ship and turned their sub into a Daredevil sub
>>84243821
With Sara and Ray both on Legends, Thea and Diggle both gone for the time being, and Malcom still being a thing there's literally no reason for me to watch except for the crossover episodes and maybe the one episode Roy comes back
Call me if they bring back the Suicide Squad, Katana or modern Vixen.
>>84243821
Haven't watched in years. Feel kinda bad for Amell, since he's like the father to modern tv capeshit.
Either cancel Arrow and give Amell lots of cameos on other showsor start considering Felicity's full metaphorical significance as the fractal lynchpin of the hypercrisis.
>>84243821
I was planning to watch until the end of season 4, I really really tried so hard to finish it but when Felicity nuked that town and literally no one gave a fuck it was the final straw, there was no point. We'll see if Flashpoint genuinely does change things majorly and if it does I might give it a go. Right now though the only thing good for Arrow and Amell would be to cancel it and just let the movies side have him for a GA movie.
Always been a big GA fan. I gave up before the season four mid-season break. I never thought it was a great show but it had its good points. I can't say that now though and I don't have any plans to pick it up even if I do hear of 'improvements'. I'm just apathetic towards it. I have plenty of GA comics to get my fix from anyway.
I never bothered watching season 3. Flash's worst moments are still better than Arrow's, and much further between.
I really do hope Flashpoint changes everything.And I hope for Earth One's real Wells to be who Cavanagh is playing in season 3.
Reminder that ARROW was never good nor about Green Arrow to begin with. It just festered and grew worse over time
>>84243821
I watch it for the /co/ talkback banter and memes.
it's so bad it's good at this point, and I've enjoyed this last two seasons as a bad show more than the first one as a mediocre one.
I'm four seasons deep, at this point I'm with it until the end of the line.
I can somehow still watch Scandal without throwing up, Arrow is baby-mode by comparison.
>>84246199
This. I mean I liked it because I think Green Arrow is a really interesting character and the cameos were somewhat fun to watch, but the show is objectively bad. The dialogue and the supporting cast's acting is just trash.
>>84246274
I just got sick of the laziness with writers and dropped it back in season 1, kept tabs now and then to see if it ever was worth picking up again, it was not. By laziness I mean piggybacking on Batman. Which I know he is technically a ripoff but damn the writers didnt even try. He was Nolan's Batman early on, they fucked up Vertigo twice, Merlyn was a joke, and the Ras thing is just awful all around. Its like theyre embarrassed about the stuff that makes up Olivers character and instead keep pulling from Batman because they know people like him, its playing it safe. And speaking of safe, theres a reason why the flashbacks havent been dropped; its the formula they know.
>>84243821
Season 4 ruined everything. Fuck this dogshit
>>84246405
Flashpoint will literally rewrite the entirety of both shows.
>>84246426
Until Barry becomes Flash again, fixes the timeline, and all the minor changes that become permanent are the exact opposite of what people want
>>84246405
I couldn't believe they ended a season of TV with Oliver and Neal McDounagh's stunt double trading punches in the middle of the street like a porn parody version of Dark Knight Rises.
>>84243821
they obviously tried to lure back old fans. but damages have been done. the holy trinity of Guggenheim/Mericle/Smoak should always be avoided at all cost.
>>84246468
>becomes Flash again
He won't stop being the Flash because he's the one who changed the timeline. Like how you can kill a time remnant and not die.
>>84243942
>>84244313
>>84246176
>>84246426
Do you guys really think an episode of the Flash is going to fix Arrow's problems? How would it? The problem is bad writing. Even if Felicity (or whatever you think the problem is) gets speedforced out of existence the show will be just as bad.
>>84246636
Time remnants are perhaps one of the worst plot devices used in this series. Its Doctor Who levels of retarded at this point
I gave up after the nuke episode
I want it to be good, I truly do, I just don't know man.
>>84246832
>that steep incline at the end of S1
Those last handful of S1 episodes were so fucking good. Remember when seeing Merlyn's face didn't make you want to set your TV on fire?
>2nd-lowest-rated episode was the S4 Cupid one
Weird. That episode was mediocre but it certainly wasn't atrocious.
>>84246426
So far there's no real proof that this is gonna fix Arrow. Like, you'd have to kill off Felicity and all the writers for Arrow for it to even have a chance of being good. Literally nothing can save it at this point
>>84246702
>>84247183
I think it will give the writers a chance to start fresh with a better idea of what does and doesn't work. I'm not saying it'll save Arrow. Just that there's the longshot chance.
>>84246722
I don't disagree.
The imagined potential of the show and the general idea of a live action Green Arrow series was always better than the actual reality of the show.
It just seemed like it could work so well, since Green Arrow is so well suited for a relatively low budget live action tv show, which would allow for a really definitive take on the character where he can be in the spotlight.
>>84243821
At this point in time I feel like a domestically abused, bettered housewife.
Sure we had our good days, and they were more in quantity back then, but now I feel like it's all bad. But I can't leave because we really used to have a connection. Maybe it'll come back. I mean, ive come this far and I'm kinda getting used to the beatings... Maybe it'll come good Again? Right?
>>84243821
If they do a season six I might come back, just to see if they do flashbacks to season one with Tommy, Moira and Laurel
>>84243821
No. Dropped it like 5 episodes into S3.
Was Arrow ever really that good? I have some fond memories of season 2 but looking back it was also another 20+ episode slog that benefited from having a nice antagonist.
Even flash has been getting on my nerves. I had to drop it midway through the season and when I finally sat down an marathonned it I really saw it for what it was. These shows are really hampered by being 20+ episodes long with a threat of the week, every week.
lol, nah I gave it up halfway through S3. It was so bad.
I don't know how thickheaded the writers can get
>>84247569
Season 2 had a lot going on in it that helped it feel less like a slog. Having Slade almost front and center for half the season and still be intimidating and threatening was great. If anything the Sara stuff drags the most.
>>84247593
this.
>>84243942
They're just copying /r/Dexter and sucking each other's dicks over nothing.
>>84247219
It wont change until the writers are replaced.
They rather fifht over who gets to write more bullshit about Felicity then writing a good story.
I gave up after season 2. I want my 26 hours back.
>>84243821
I'm done unless Barry managed to reboot the entire Arrow show as well with his shenanigans. I never even watched the final episode of last season because I just didn't give a shit. I saw the mocking summaries and graphics and was like "nope, I'm good."
>>84246515
Whoa man, that is insulting. They put a lot of effort into those porn parodies.
>>84246426
Marc Guggenheim is still in charge and he's the entire reason Ollicity is a thing. Either he's got a thing for EBR or Babs, but he's been pushing this since before Kreisberg left.
All Flashpoint will do, if it does anything, is edit out Laurel entirely and replace her with Felicity so he doesn't have to answer another fucking question about Ollie and Dinah.
>>84247860
Someone should stream that Arrow gay porn parody and see if it's better then S4.
>>84243847
The creators behind S1 and S2 leaving to work on The Flash ruined everything.
I dropped it the moment Felicity started talking about a bomb that blows up the Internet. I got sick of the show by season 3, and that was the final straw.
>>84243942
>the reddit sub jumped ship and turned their sub into a Daredevil sub
My sides are gone.
Arrow is completely dead for me.
Flash has some good will left and I'll give it another chance.
LoT actually I'm most excited for next season. Not cause it was the best this season nor cause they're promising stuff like JSA. But cause the stuff they've said sounds like they looked at what they did wrong and thought how to fix it, while the other shows it seems they always look back at what they did successfully when planning the next season.
Mark my words, Arrow season 5 is going to be hype af.
>>84248650
>But cause the stuff they've said sounds like they looked at what they did wrong and thought how to fix it, while the other shows it seems they always look back at what they did successfully when planning the next season
They gonna cancel the show?
>>84248750
They dropped the Hawks and no season long dragged out plot but several shorter arcs.
>>84243821
I stopped watching this show when it was more about relationships than superheros.
Why do (((they))) do it /co/?
>>84248799
Nice. Every episode was almost the same thing glad their fixing it
>>84248917
Yeah my point exactly. Arrow looks at a past season saw people liked Felicity and went more what people liked for next season. Flash did the same with evil speedster. I think this mindset of keeping their past success in focus is what hurts later seasons. LoT not following this and seemingly looking at their past mistakes when moving forward is what I like to see in a show.
>>84249055
That is great. I think Arrows finally doing the same thing too. Hope LoT becomes less forgettable.
>>84248812
Normies respond better to drama. They're just trying to keep their show on the air.
>>84243942
>It was like a chore
It really was
I can only hope the new season will be better, but things are honestly not looking very good for Arrow, it's the worst its ever been.
I know it can be better, I KNOW it can return to its season 2 glory...
>>84246199
>>84246274
You clearly didn't stick around for the second season.
>>84246395
You goofed, season 1 hit a pretty lame low point around about the middle or so that made you think the rest of the show was going to be like that and almost had me stop watching it, but it recovered...for a time.
Life is too short to waste on shitty tv shows so no.
3 episodes.
that's the chance I'm giving the show.
the first 3 episodes of season 5 should be more than enough to display any improvements, worsenings or stagnation signs.
If it doesn't get substantially better in those 3 episodes, I'm out
>>84246636
...have you read Flashpoint?
>>84243821
>mfw I dropped Arrow and picked up IZombie instead
>>84250841
>iZombie
You know I would prefer watching reruns of Supernatural than watching anything that's currently airing on CW. The characters on that show are a disgrace to how good the source material was. You just do a cop/detective and slap zombies and other shit in there and call it a day goddamnit.
>>84250841You're not wrong for doing that.
>>84243821
Arrow is just a show people compare another show favorably against when that other show is starting to run bad. "Well, at least it's not Arrow levels of baaaad." That's it's only purpose. Deflection and eulogizing.
>>84251050
People already have Dexter for that, so it's not even good at being what you said.
>>84251078
And yet it is all the same.
>>84250841
Is that the feet sex scene? Lordy
>>84246722
>Doctor Who levels of retarded
That's literally the Flash's powers in a nutshell though.
>>84243821
Only really liked the crossovers and a handful of other episodes the last season. Was thinking of dropping it but I like the idea of Barry resetting Arrowverse via Flashpoint shit. Bring back Laurel, make Felicity a minor roll, add Vigilante and Wilddog. Make Stardust Richard Dragon and I'd be back on board.
I wish there was less bitching in this show. I still can't get over the fact Arrow rescued Merlyn from the League because of Thea's feelings.
>>84251288
I can't get over the fact that Merlyn is still somehow alive
>>84246702
No, it might not fix it. But if they change up writers they might be able to use this to take advantage of the flash to fix their show. They can literally alter their timeline however they want and reset.
I mean their using this Flashpoint to bring supergirl into the cw verse so why not?
>>84251346
> They can literally alter their timeline however they want and reset.
Everyone is Felicity.
Everyone who is not Felicity is Merlyn.
>>84251360
The darkest timeline
Watched the first two seasons
>Season 1
>oh shit this was pretty cool, not fantastic, but certainly above average, and it has the potential to be the greatest thing ever with some good writing in the next seasons
>Season 2
>well that was a load of shit
>>84251378
Season 3 will make you mad.
>>84251299
He just won't die at this point.
I'm also getting tired of the trope "I hate you dad! Don't ever talk to me again!"
Twenty minutes later thea is about to get killed and Merlyn saves her last minute. "Guess he's not all bad after all"
Are Felicity and Malcolm gonna keep on changing their minds on who's side they're on every other episode just like the last two seasons? Honestly, if they were more consistent with characterization the show would improve a ton.
daily reminder.
>>84243821
I believe. Even in the wake of Felicity using eye-line to hack nuclear missiles and send them off scene where they'll be harmless, even after they killed off Laurel and called it Organic, I believe in the show that once was. And one day, maybe, we can return to the fun and hype of seasons 1 & 2.
>>84247183
>>84246702
Amell confirmed the Flashpoint will affect Arrow. Maybe they noticed that their 4th season ended with the lowest ratings the show has received and are trying to find out how to fix it.
Or maybe it'll just be Robert Queen as the Arrow Man.
>>84251078
Once again, Green Arrow does nothing original.
I don't know what to say. I'll give it another shot. This season was worse than last season was worse than the season before that, but I'll give it another shot. I really really want to like the show again.
BUT!
I'm only giving them about two episodes to turn it around. If the first two episodes are "Felicity's boyfriend steals something from a science lab so Felicity, Felicity's dad, and Felicity's assistant can save the world while Felicity's mom has relationship problems", I'm out.
>>84246274
Anon... are you okay? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46MdXqHuAVk
I don't want to, but... what if something important to The Flash or Legends of Tomorrow happens?
>>84246702
>Laurel comes back
>Wildcat gets a costume
>Mr. Terriffic actually does things
>the JSA exists
>>84247094
Ironically, that one was probably downvoted by fans of Oliver and Felicity who were mad that they didn't actually get married.
>>84247860
>>84247891
I can't speak for the Arrow one, but the Flintstones one was like a decent episode of the show where people also have sex occasionally.
>>84251535
This shit... no show has ever left me feeling so hopeless before.
>Roy gone
>Diggle gone
>Laurel gone
>Thea gone
>no one remembers Mr. Terrific exists
>BUT HEY, OLICITY
Fuck you, writers. Fffuuuck yyyooouuu.
