So all of the other main Justice League members have their own arch-enemy (Batman - Joker, Superman - Lex, etc.) But who's Cyborg's archnemesis?
Irrelevance
Who is Wonder Woman's?
Sales
Comcast
>>84223816
Wow...
You got me there. I can't think of a single one that's not a generic Justice League villain.
Another reason why he shouldn't be a major player.
>>84223816
updates
>>84223850
>I don't read comics, but that doesn't prevent me from posting.
White American Police.
>>84223816
Good comics
Grid.
>>84223816
Brother Blood?
>>84223942
Practically his only villain now. Though I could think of worse I suppose
> HAVE A NICE DAY
A Bathtub full of water
In Teen Titans, it was Brother Blood.
In the comics, I have no idea.
>>84223908
Not that Anon but fuck off, DC has failed to give Wonder Woman a definitive archenemy. Cheetah, Ares, and Circe are all possible contenders for that title but in the end none of them can definitively be called her arch
>>84224251
So? Who says she has to has a single archnemesis? At this point both Ra's and Joker, with Riddler pulling up third, qualify as Batman's archnemesis.
>>84224358
The premise of the thread is "archnemesis" not "arch villains." You could make the case that assigning a single nemesis to each hero is flawed, but the question wasn't "who are Cyborg's villains" it was "who is his arch-nemesis."
>>84224485
OP uses both arch-enemy and arch-nemesis in his post interchangeably.
>>84224358
There's nothing wrong with a character not having a single archenemy. One anon admonished another for not knowing Wonder Woman's archenemy and says it must be because he doesn't read comics, I respond because after reading comics you still wouldn't know who Wonder Woman's archenemy is.
Also the entire concept behind achenemy/archnemesis is that it's singular in nature. It is the one villain that both symbolically, popularly, and materially viewed as more important than the others. You're fucking out of your mind if you think Ra's shares that spot with the Joker.
>>84223816
Who's Martian Manhunter's?
>>84224630
Matt Damon
>>84224523
Aaand so did I. You're completely missing the point. The thread is about the idea of a monolithic, individual arch nemesis. Not plural. The question being, "who is Cyborg's nemesis?" The discussion followed to WW, so by extension the question arose "Who is WW's nemesis?" to which you're saying "she has a lot" which... while maybe true, and maybe accurate, is completely missing the point of the thread which is to talk about individual, definitive, monolithic arch-villains such as... hey look! OP gave examples!
>(Batman - Joker, Superman - Lex, etc.)I tutor middleschoolers and they're less dense than you lot sometimes.
>>84224619
>It is the one villain that both symbolically, popularly, and materially viewed as more important than the others.
Then WW has Cheetah as her arch due to non-comics media.
>>84223816
I feel like there could be a bunch of ideas that play off of his half machine nature like how all of Batman's play off of him, but writers don't give a fuck about this character.
>>84224630
isnt it that other martian guy
>>84224010
>>84223962
>>84223816
Brother Blood.
>>84224710
I hope Cheetah and Giganta get more exposure. Maybe in a WW sequel?
Cyborg, MM, WW, etc all lack a truly defining enemy because they lack character. Batman and Superman have actual characters both in costume and out, and their best villains are a distorted reflection of themselves, exposing another facet of their characters. How can you have an antithesis to Cyborg's character if he's barely a character to start with? A good writer would have to start from scratch with him,but a good writer has better things to work on.
>>84224619
>You're fucking out of your mind if you think Ra's shares that spot with the Joker.
I was with you until here
Joker is definitely the more accepted choice (and the one who's gotten more pages to back it up), but I think you could make a compelling argument for Ra's, depending on which aspects of Batman's mythos you're focusing on. Bats and Joker are yin and yang for sure, good vs evil, order vs chaos, etc. But Ra's has such a strong history with Bats, with such strongly opposed ideologies (unlike Joker who may as well have none) that it's hard not to at least consider him for the spot.
>>84224841
Not to be harsh, but you sound like the type that pretends to read comics. Like, what are you talking about? A bunch of nonsense with a false sense of authority
>>84224708
Nothing in the statement "Who is X's archnemesis?" precludes the existence of multiple, or zero, archnemesis.
>>84224718
Most don't play off of him, or do so in very shallow manners.
>>84223816
aah yes, the daily Cyborg hate thread.
Doesn't have one
Cartoon was Brother Blood but that was basically a new character. If you changed his name and put him in the comics then there you go.
>>84224630
>>84224731
Ma'alefa'ak
>>84223816
What about Green Lantern? Who is his archenemy?
We really need to start pushing Grid more. About the only choice you can go with if WB decides to do the Cyborg movie
>>84223816
Is the Flash's arch-nemesis Zoom, the Reverse Flash, or Captain Cold?
>>84225025
Sinestro
How can you not know that?
>>84225025
Sinestro
none of Kyle's villains are important or interesting enough to count as a GL archenemy
>>84225025
Sinestro is Hal's and nobody really has one anymore if they ever did.
>>84225008
Gesundheit
>>84225055
>none of Kyle's villains are important or interesting enough to count as a GL archenemy
I dunno, Major Force had a pretty decent run for a while there.
>>84224931
Anyone can tell me who Superman and Batman are without just saying what their superpowers are because they have well defined characters. I doubt many can do the same for Cyborg. A good villain tells you more about the hero, usually by being their opposite or being similar in many respects. It is hard to make a villain that is reflective of Cyborg character because he has no character.
>>84224947
Let's take a look!
>So all of the other main Justice League members have their own arch-enemy (Batman - Joker, Superman - Lex, etc.) But who's Cyborg's archnemesis?
Hmm... While you're right that the phrasing doesn't *preclude* multiple nemeses, if we use our *CONTEXT CLUES* we can reasonably ascertain the intent behind the question! Do you notice how the OP only mentions individual villain-hero pairings and only speaks in singular (not plural!) terms?this is why I drink
>>84225025
uh...
i mean
>>84224708
Cheetah.
>>84225083
He existed before Kyle did though, and he kept being used as a general villain after the fridge thing. I wouldn't really count him
maybe Nero or whatever his name was could count for Kyle but he barely shows up anyway
>>84223816
Windows Vista
>>84225051
I get the feeling you get all your Flash info from the tv show with that post
>>84224861
It's the Joker.
Ras is jobbing to the Teen Titans, and before that Red Robin.
He's basically the new Doctor Light.
>>84225025
For the longest time Hal didn't have one until Johns brought Sinestro to prominence, but at this point the relationship between the two doesn't really work that way. John had Fatality, but I don't think anyone's done anything with her in a long time. Kyle had Alex Nero but he hasn't shown up since Blackest Night; in practice Major Force was closer in behavior to an archnemesis. Neither Guy, Simon, nor Jessica have had one.
>>84225025
Martin Campbell
>>84225140
>he hasn't shown up since Blackest Night
That's because he was killed.
>>84225125
Gorilla Grodd?
>>84223816
Y2K, maybe an EMP
>>84225025
Kyle Rayner his arch enemy sales, personality, living girlfriends, and generally being a holdover from the 90s.
The Green Lantern Hal Jordan his arch-enemy/boyfriend is Sinestro
>>84225140
>For the longest time Hal didn't have one until Johns brought Sinestro to prominence
You could argue it was Sinestro or Star Sapphire up until the 80s or early 90s, then they both kinda stopped showing up (also Sinestro died like twice)
>>84223816
Maybe they could steal Doctor Polaris for Cyborg
It'd be a cool conflict, having to fight someone who could rip him apart, CYbor would need to fight smarter
>>84223816
Grid.
Maybe if he gets a good solo book it will change but it doesn't seem likely.
>>84225093
No, you drink because you have an unwarranted sense of authority that isn't actually played out in any aspect of your life so you seek to numb yourself in order to avoid the cognitive dissonance.
>>84225140
>John
It's Xanshi you casual
>>84225239
His DCYou book was great
>>84225174
No. Just to clarify, there are technically 3 Reverse Flashs and none of them call themselves that, just the public. Theres Eobard Thawne AKA Professor Zoom, Hunter Zolomon who also goes by just Zoom, and Daniel West. Arguably you could say Thawne. Cold just misses because on some level theres a mutual respect.
>>84225239
Does he deserve a solo at this point? His character never drew a dime.
>>84225249
sounds like someone's projecting :^)it's funny because I don't drink
They should retcon Gizmo I think he will be perfect enemy for cyborg
Making him muscle bound
Or Amazo
>>84225140
>Neither Guy, Simon, nor Jessica have had one.
>Guy
>forgetting Bolphunga the Unrelenting
who's Iron man's archnemesis?
>>84225217
Doctor Polaris doesnt get much love, why should Magneto get all the attention? Id be ok with this
>>84225140
They brainwashed Fatality into being a Star Sapphire and she hooked up with John for quite a while
then Durlans forced the ring off her and she said she'd be brainwashed and she still hated John so I guess she still counts as a nemesis but she hasn't shown up since then
>>84225025
Green lanterns in General have the Yellows as their archenemies
>>84225319
Mandarin
Crimson Dynamo
Titanium Man
Bendis
>>84225216
I'd put Star Sapphire over Sinestro.
>>84225314
he said archenemy not otp
>>84225319
Sometimes Doom, sometimes Captain America and the Superhero community.
Don't even go for the bottle joke, that's his abusive on-again-off-again ex not his nemesis.
>>84225319
Jack Daniels
>>84225314
He got vaporized by a roughly 400% charged ring near the end of GLC before New 52.
>>84225284
Nah, I'm just using context clues.
>>84225381
>Sometimes Doom
literally like, twice
besides I don't think you can count someone as your archnemesis if THEIR archnemesis is someone else
>>84225398
This is the really the best answer
>>84225364
I would too now that I think about it, Silver Age Sinestro was just some asshole former GL that wanted to be as evil as possible, Star Sapphire was somebody he knew and had a personal beef with him
I'm not sure when Sinestro got the edge as an arch enemy, maybe around Emerald Dawn II when they retconned him to be Hal's mentor and the fact that Carol wasn't a villain herself, just unlucky
>>84225417
should have used those when you read the OP and could have saved us all some time :^)
>>84225401
He's Bolphunga the UNRELENTING, he'll be back
>>84225319
Bendis the writer
>>84225338
The problem is that you could never have the two directly interact, as Doctor Polaris would murder the fuck out of Cyborg with no issue.
>>84225381
>>84225319
>>84225398
Himself, his archnemesis will always be himself.
Why do Marvel characters lack archnemesis? Is it because they constantly team up and fight each other? I'm starting to think archnemesis is a rare thing now.
>>84225427
>I don't think you can count someone as your archnemesis if THEIR archnemesis is someone else
Works out just between Superman, Scott, Orion and Darkseid
>>84225474
Are we flirting?
>>84225486
Bit tricky to come back from being an outline made of ash on a wall, Hiroshima style.
>>84225542
Marvel is more team based in general
>>84223816
I honestly don't follow Cyborg much at all, but it seems like they really dropped the ball in N52 after tying his origin to a mother box and NOT giving him an Apokoliptian-influenced nemesis. Like that turned him from "dude who's a cyborg, neat" to "dude who's a cyborg with strong ties to some of the neatest mythology in DC"
>>84225589
It's comics, anything can happen
also there was a reboot after he died, so
>>84225542
Marvel can't into decent writing and characterization
They are good at flashy scenes with colors and heroes that shoots laser with their hands
>>84225576
only if it's working
>>84225497
So how do we write around this?
>>84225604
Well they haven't given him much of anything
Metal Men, Shazam, and a solo where the first writer left after the first arc are all he's been given really. And it's been 5 years.
There's still time to do what you're suggesting.
>>84225354
>>84225381
>>84225398
>>84225492
>>84225497
Haha. I was shitposting a littlebit at first, but then the question really echoed through my head after the Wonder Woman's stuff discussed in this thread. But yeah, for me, Tony Stark is the best name from this list.
>>84225542
Marvel is really at bad charcater development, continuity they want style rather than substance
This thread is making me wish we could get some interesting new villains in general.
Everybody is just talking about recycling older villains like Polaris, but I'd rather they try their hand at something new. But that does have quite the potential for it to end up not working.
>>84225604
I don't like him starting out with the Justice League because I feel like he works better as somebody who starts out as a Titans member who grows into being League material.
>>84225643
Johns is a hack that put him on thje league to shield Hal from John. He did nothing with the character, the same shit he did with his OC Billy batson that he didnt develop and that he call dibs on so no one else could work on the character until 4 months before the reboot
>>84225604
There's a lot of stuff you can do with someone who is half machine. Especially in our world where electronic technology becomes more all encompassing. But no one gives enough of a fuck. Maybe people would care if he wasn't token nigger?
>>84225632
I'm a sucker for dinner and a movie dates.
>>84225642
You don't. Doctor Polaris would work better as an "Oh shit" moment than an arch.
>>84225643
Easiest way to give him a New Gods influenced villain is to use Intergang.
>>84225712
Its hard to get a new character to stick, worse thing you can do is force it. However I personally like taking older, lesser known characters and giving them a fresh coat of pain. Dr Polaris for example has potential.
>>84225712
As a Wonder Woman fan, be careful what you wish for. The new villains get used once and then the next writer forgets all about them to create their own villains. And it keeps happening over and over.
>>84223816
Deathstroke
>>84225813
He was Dick's if anyone's.
>>84225775
Yeah, I get it's a risk. I'd also like Dr Polaris to make a comeback sometime, but I don't know about him being an "archenemy" to Cyborg.
>>84225797
First Born is most likely dead forever. That poor hyena fucking bastard
>>84225642
>>84225758
There's a few ways
Like his solo had Cyborg able to turn his cybernetic parts into flesh. So Cyborg could go face to face against Doctor Polaris but he'd be defenseless
Maybe make Polaris less bloodthirsty and less likely to try to outright kill Cyborg
>>84225712
Possible enemies:
>a cyborg who is "more machine than man" to contrast with him
>Ironman clone - someone who can go back to looking like a normie which Cyborg can't do
>obviously Polaris like anon suggested
>Fourth World guy like anon suggested
>peak human type character with no body enhancements
>inventor who uses remote robots so Cyborg can never really really beat him until he finds him in person
I've never read Cyborg comics and it writes itself
>>84223816
Anti-affirmative action legislation.
>>84225885
It'd probably be easier of your turned down Dr. Polaris' power level.
Let's face it. The only reason Cyborg gets any type of screen time is muh diversity quotient.
>>84225813
Officially been adopted by Green Arrow
>>84225889
>A cyborg who is "more machine than man"
Could use Metallo. Or Cyborg-Superman? Just change his name and design to Cyborg-Kryptonian or some such.
>>84225885
Why is every Cyborg design complete garbage?
>>84225957
In the show, maybe.
>>84225947
That's how it is for all black characters.
Shit Hal Jordan isn't in the original pitch for the Justice League cartoon.
McDuffie is the only reason he was brought on.
>>84223816
Who is Hawkman's Arch?
>>84225889
If you're willing to archive trawl there have been a few Cyborg threads since the Nu52 dropped that are full of ideas for villains and solo runs.
I don't know why no one has used Cyborgirl, her backstory is tied in with his supporting cast.
>>84225962
Naw. Just make it a friend who gets too many machine parts. Build some history ebtween them. You have to tie it back to Cyborg. Re-purposing an old enemy does neither character a favor.
>>84225998
Hath Set for Carter
Maybe Gentleman Ghost or Byth for Katar
>>84225981
They tried a bit in the comics around Cry for Justice.
>>84225980
He looks better clunky
>>84226010
Maybe because her name is Cyborgirl
>It's a /co/ doesn't actually read comics episode.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gizmo_(DC_Comics)
>>84226064
>Ctrl+F "Cyborg
>9 results
>one mentions how Gizmo defeated by a Metal Man and not Cyborg
>one is just from a list of Teen Titans
>four are from cartoons
Strong case you got there, Anon.
>>84225957
Since Indentity Crisis.
The show just sealed it.
>>84225089
No, anyone can tell you who Supes and Bats are because they've been around since before our parents were conceived.
Cyborg's development (or lack of it) isn't comparable to those two
>>84226492
Tell me all about cyborg without mentioning his powers.
>>84226561
He's black.
>>84226561
he fucked jinx in that zone animation that one time
>>84226561
He has daddy issues and struggles to maintain his humanity because of the constant stream of information he sees and the fact that he doesnt have a penis
Batman Joker
Superman Lex
Wonder Woman Cheetarah?
Martian Manhunter White Martians
Hal Jordan Sinestro
Aquaman Black Manta
Flash Reverse Flash
Does Cyborg even have an enemy exclusively for himself?
>>84226685
>Cheetarah
>CHEETARAH
What is Diana Mum Ra now?
>>84226561
A football player who's busybody sciemtist dad never paid attention to him until he was in a horrible accident that nearly killed him until he was rebuilt as a half-man, half-machine hybrid, which he at first hates his dad for, as he views himself as a monster. After the fact he struggles with his humanity and often finds himself asking if he is really just a machine at this point. He also suffers from Frankenstein syndrome, he feels an outcast, even among friends who range from just as strange to waaaaay freakier than he is. With the help of his friends he often manages to realize that his body doesn't make him who he is, his actions do, which is could be taken as an allusion to him being a black man, of course the message being to judge not by the color of one's skin, but by the content of one's character.
>>84226739
yeah, duh?
>>84226685
Grid
Those techno aliens from his solo
>>84226561
He was a regular black dude who got into an accident and got implanted with tons of bionics. Now he's a superhero who mostly works as the tech/muscle guy in teams and occasionally angsts about losing his humanity
>>84223816
Easy. He's not a main Justice League member. Martian Manhunter is. And his is uh... I guess... a random fucking White Martian?
>>84226846
>... a random fucking White Martian?
With where Kelly took things Martians as a society really don't require individuality, so his villain being any of them makes sense.
It would also have poetic irony and implications if J'onn is the immigrant Martian adopting Earth culture and ethics fighting against a collective identity from his home.
Getting hijacked by it also worked, but kind of got difficult to resolve without perpetually hanging an ominous sign over J'onn as a result.
Welp, that's supehero life. Superman and Batman aren't exactly squeaky clean either.
>>84224630
Movie synergy
>>84225136
>and before that Red Robin
YUM
>>84225889
Don't forget the Machine from Swarmp Thing
>>84223942
God that was retarded
>>84225051
There are 3 Flashes and their archnemesises are different. Barry's is Eobard Thawne a.k.a Professor Zoom, Wally's is Hunter Zolomon a.k.a Zoom. Jay's was someone named Rival but I think Turtle suits that more.
LET'S
HIT
THOSE
WIVES
STANDING
HERE
>>84223816
Phantom Limb of course.
>>84223816
Grid or Gizmo
>>84223816
The Amish KKK
>>84224630
fire
>>84223816
>But who's Cyborg's archnemesis?
Kazaa downloads
>>84224630
his own mind-reading powers
>>84223816
Is Wonder Woman's arch nemesis Ares, Cheetah or Circe?
Is Aquaman's arch nemesis Black Manta or Ocean Master?
Is Batman's arch nemesis Joker, Bane or Ra's Al Ghul?
Is Superman's arch nemesis Lex, Braniac or Darkseid?
Honestly only Flash has a clear cut arch nemesis. Even Sinestro for Hal can be questioned
MAKE THE JUSTICE LEAGUE GREAT AGAIN
BRING BACK THE MANHUNTER FROM MARS
>>84229120
Wondie -> Hera
Aquaman -> Manta
Batman -> Joker
Superman -> Lex
Everyone else are notable villains
>>84225364
Why does Hal always want to bang his archenemies?
>>84225239
Grid got uninstalled by doctor Manhattan.
>>84229201
He's a slut
>>84225547
Darkseid is in no way Superman's arch nemesis.
>>84229215
He's the anti thesis for everything Superman stands for
>Nrama: Cyborg’s profile is higher than it’s ever been since he joined the Justice League and got his own solo series. What’s your take on Vic Stone’s place in the DC Universe?
>Semper: Well, what I want to do is define him a little more clearly as a distinct personality. I think that, externally, he’s been defined very well, but sort of what’s going on in his head is something I’m not so sure we know yet. I really want to clarify that and expand upon that. So his place in the DC Universe won’t really change, we’ll just know him and like him a lot better, and identify better with him. And hopefully he’ll gain more fans that way, by being a full-fledged human being.
>Nrama: During the Rebirth press conference, you brought up the philosophy of the “Singularity,” the idea that one day humanity and technology will coalesce. You’re turning that into the question, “Where does the soul of the man end, and the soul of the machine begin?”. How do you explore that dichotomy not just physically, but how does Cyborg internalize that?
>Semper: He’s got one very big question, which is, is he still human? And that is a fear. I think that the fact that he has a major fear that he might not be human is kind of what defines him and defines the problem. So he’s going to go on a bit of a “soul quest,” if I can use an old, hackneyed, ‘70’s, hippy-dippy term. He’s going to try and find himself. And I think that’s going to be an interesting journey for him. I don’t think he’s gone on that journey before. And of course, that’s just a foundation for battling with villains and saving the city, and maybe occasionally saving the planet. That’s all still going to go on, so his place in that is going to remain the same, but we’re going to get to know him better and like him more.
Who's ready for based John Semper?
>>84229235
No he isn't, they both use eye lasers
>>84229235
Lies, injustice, and the Palestinian way
>>84229315
>Palestinian
>Not Israeli
>>84229215
He is in muh cartoons.
>>84225889
Or someone who can take control of Cyborg's machine parts
>>84225980
Because they stick with the shitty half terminator face which always makes him look dated.
A character that is made out of the best tech around should not look dated.
>>84229235
Lex is.
>Superman was lucky enough to have good parents and superpowers, and uses his powers to spread that good luck around
>Lex is a self-made man who worked, stole, and killed for everything he has, and only cares abous getting even more shit
I like Darkseid but Lex just works better as Superman's opposite number
>>84225889
I espescially like your idea of someone who is more cyborg than human but to expand upon that maybe someone who hates their own humanity and human weaknesses and desires to overcome it by rejecting humanity and becoming a cyborg, in parallel to Cyborg who (initially) hates his robot body, which was given to him without his consent, and wishes for his humanity back.
Maybe this villain, who We'll call "Mandroid" (or "The Man Machine" if you're a fan of Kraftwerk) for now, was once bullied and jaded for being ugly, in contrast to Cyborg who was a star athlete, and finally when he finds a woman who loves him warts and all he loses her in an accident which also leaves him with a burned and crippled body, paralleling Vic's own transformation into Cyborg. However this guy curses the body he was given as well as his own mortality leading him down the road to darkness. Also unlike Cyborg he chooses to become a cyborg, or "mandroid", due to his own self hatred and need to become better. Maybe he would have an scientific prodigy with machinery which would aid his transformation.
I think this would make sense as an arch nemesis or foil for Cyborg due to how their origins parallel each other but also show how their morals and ideals are the complete antithesis of one another. Also thanks to the anon who posted the idea of a villain "more machine than man" because that's what gave me the inspiration for this.
>>84231107
Sorry, maybe he is a cybernetic prodigy which gives him the idea to become a cyborg
>>84231107
He just needs a motivation to fight Cyborg.
>>84231107
Doesn't that character pretty much already exist?
>>84223816
Whoever killed his dad and turned him into a cyborg?
>>84225112
He died, the Guardians executed him.
Effigy is dead too, along with Kyle's version of the shark and Sonar.
>>84223816
Sales
>>84225889
>someone who can go back to looking like a normie which Cyborg can't do
he can do this now, all the same parts are still robotic, but he can change to appear fully human at will. Still spends most of his time looking like cyborg though for some reason
>>84224630
ma'alefa'ak
at one point in ostrander's run it could've been darkseid
also jobbing
