What the fuck was his problem??
1) he's a Olympian
2) he's Zeus
3) he's Zeus
>>84191629
Zeus and Poseidon were the biggest assholes in Greek Mythology.
He's Zeus he doesn't have to explain shit to you
>>84191629
he was a slut.
>>84191629
Greek 101: Zeus is an asshole
In Greece tough Zeus is seen as sadistic and greedy, I don't get why modern media portrays him as some benevolent deity.
>>84191685
Proper term is "God whore"
>>84191629
Greek gods didn't create the heavens they conquered it: what do you expect from war-like deities with nothing to do?
>>84191701
Muh skydaddy
>>84191701
Because our heavily christian culture causes christian values to creep into our view of their mythology. So big beard sky guy=good and weird dead-ruling dude underground=evil.
>>84191720
They conquered the heavens?
>>84191701
Don't be ridiculous. Greeks absolutely saw him as the ultimate benevolent deity. The stories of him kind of acting like an asshole are far outweighed by stories where he is the ultimate benefactor of individuals and mankind in total. In the Ancient Greeks' worldview, the world runs because Zeus keeps it running and keeps it tamed and adjusted for human existence, literally for no other reason than because he's a nice guy and likes humans.
Zeus being an asshole is just a meme brought about because those are the only stories about him people remember.
>>84191701
So did they. It's just that their values were different and they allowed their gods to have human flaws.
When you're the arguably most powerful being on the planet your pretty much entitled to be a bit of an asshole
>>84191823
War of the Titans my dude
>>84191864
>Zeus being an asshole is just a meme
Not everything is a meme.
>>84191701
Because Jupiter was much more abstract and benevolent, and we stem from the Roman culture.
It's like I'm the only not retarded person I know.
>>84191864
Sort of like Superdickery
>>84191665
Man fuck Poseidon.
>gets mad at Ares for wrecking his son
Pfffft
>>84191963
Nyx shut his ass up. She's more powerful than Zeus in the legends too.
>>84191665
Canonically, Ares is the worst of the Greek Gods.
At least, from the Athenian Perspective.
Athenian bias colors much of what we know about Greek Mythology and History in general.
Funfact: It is a criminal offense in Greece to worship the gods of Olympus
>>84192019
Don't get cocky, kid.
>>84191864
For that matter, Hades being a nice guy is also a complete meme. Hades wasn't EVIL, but he was still rather cruel and pitiless. The Greeks worship of Hades consisted of this hilarious dichotomy of having to worship him and offer him prayers and sacrifices to placate him, but at the same time trying very very hard to never ever attract his attention.
>>84192074
?????????????????
>>84192071
Was that because he loved war, or was it something else?
>>84192022
That's actually an awesome analogy.
>>84192010
This most certainly is. A lot of pop culture surrounding Greek Mythology is based on really really poor understanding of it.
>>84192115
Because in Greece, he was the god of war lust.
Fun Fact: The Romans claimed descent from Mars and Venus, which is appropriate.
Also, the Roman Mythology shows signs of being much more interesting than the Greek, but sadly, it has been eclipsed by the hellenizing done late in Roman history.
>>84192115
Ares was the embodiment of everything negative about war. Slaughter, rage, mindless carnage etc.
>>84192071
Ares was a little bitch though. Everyone shat on him.
>>84192200
Love that story where Hephaestus screws him and his harlot wife over for cucking him
>>84192092
Hades was decent a god and pretty fair.
>>84191864
I think Prometheus is more of a big good as far as Greek mythology goes. Zeus and the rest purposefully put Epimetheus in charge of making humans because they knew he would do a shitty job of it and Zeus tried to cheat humans out of eating the good parts of food, Prometheus was a bro and stepped in for humanity.
>>84192156
Well part of the Roman founding mythology is that they were the remnants of Troy so Mars/Venus makes sense. Did you know the patron god of ancient Rome was Venus? The reason? Roma backwards is Amor.
>>84192214
I prefer the one where two mortal dudes fucking trapped him in a jar.
>Olympians
>>84192214
Poseidon got a kick out of that as well.
>>84192221
Hades was cold, stern and pitiless. He was just, but he was also merciless. Other gods could were less consistent in their judgement, but they would also bestow gifts on mankind and actively work on helping humans pass their ordeals. Hades couldn't give a shit.
>>84192062
What are the Greek power levels anyway beside, like strongest to weakest and what their power let's then do
I love evil Hades even if it's inaccurate. The ones from Hades and Kid Icarus Uprising are fantastic characters.
>>84192301
Hades didn't fuck with mortals like the others did. Also he did have some compassion and pity like with Orpheus. Granted that's the only time I can think of anything nice for a mortal he did.
>>84192221
It's important not to conflate Hades (who rules the land of the dead) with Thanatos (the actual embodiment of Death itself). Thanatos was the one everybody feared and hated, and he was an asshole right back because of that. The Greeks prayed to Hades for solace in the afterlife, but they also prayed for Thanatos to stay the fuck away.
>>84192386
*from Hercules
But he was the real star of that movie anyway.
As a Greek it make kinda sad the fact that we partially invented Christianity as a major organized religion but we'll never be credited for that for some reason.
>>84192229
Prometheus is only a big good in Aeschylus' Prometheus Bound play, which is actively contrarian to the established ideas of the Mythology. Other stories, like Theogony take a much dimmer view on Prometheus as the guy who ultimately condemned human to a life of toil and trouble because he couldn't help going around and pissing the gods off.
Prometheus is supposed to represent the origin of the human condition and all the good and the bad things that come with it.
>>84192344
Well first there was Chaos, and from him emerged the Primordials, Nyx being one of the first and most powerful. Other Primordials include Thanatos, Hypnos, Moros, and Eris. Gaia and Uranus are also Primordials. From them came the Titans, and after them the gods. Zeus defeated the titans and trapped them in the underworld. So probably Chaos > Primordials > Gods >= Titans. The Primordials didn't really get involved with things like the gods did.
>>84192428
That always seemed odd to me.
>>84192465
Think the Titans were stronger than the gods. The Gods had a lot of help to beat the Titans.
>>84192490
The Titans and their overthrow by the gods are actually an allegory of pre-Greek history tough.
>>84192490
There's also outliers like Typhon who had a fierce battle with Zeus but wasn't technically a Titan.
>>84192390
The other gods did a lot more helping than fucking around.
The myth of Orpheus is notable precisely because it was the one fucking time that Hades was actually compelled to do something nice.
>>84192403
Nah. Thanatos was the embodiment of Death, but Hades, the merciless, unyielding lawkeeper of the underworld was the representation of the inevitability and absoluteness of death. That's why Orpheus bargains with Hades and not Thanatos, and why Hades is the one who severely punishes anyone who tries to upset the order of the underworld and bring someone back to life.
>>84192465
>>84192490
Gaia and Uranus didn't just birth the Titans, but also the Cyclopes (at least the original three, the one Odysseus blinded was Poseidon's kid because I don't fucking know) and the Hecatoncheires, a bunch of hundred-armed, fifty-headed giants. The gods weren't gaining any traction in war against the titans until Zeus freed these freaks to fight for his side. The Cyclopes forged his lightning bolts, the hecatoncheires threw fucking mountains on their enemies.
>>84192707
Man how'd you like to be Gaia and birth one of those 50 limbed fuckers. Being the quintessential mother sounds like a really shit job.
>this thread
The Greek Pantheon represented natural elements. Weather, time, death, the seasons.
And guess what? Natural phenomena are amoral. So are the Greek Gods.
>>84192707
>hundred-armed, fifty-headed giants
How.. How do you have fifty heads and a hundred fucking arms?
>>84192841
arm ears
>>84192841
Yeah, this is the first I've heard of them having fifty heads.
>>84192815
While greeks anthopomorphized natural events and concepts (rain, marriage, volcanoes, loyalty etc), they gave them human virtues and faults in their stories simply so people could relate and easily comprehend them.
>>84192841
>>84192876
While their name means literally 'hundred hands', they are described to have 50 heads too.
There were 3 of them, I think
>>84192904
Of course, but you miss my point.
Something like the weather does not act 100% justly. It does not rain exclusively on farmers who need water or parties which don't deserve to exist.
It just rains. Pure and simple. You can attribute reasons to it, and that's what the Greeks did, but ultimately there is no reason and thus the excuses end up flimsy.
>>84192932
How would that even work?
>>84192964
The same way a bearded asshole grabbing thunderbolts and throwing them works.
Or poseidon fucking a woman and her giving birth to horses.
>>84192815
Literally the opposite. The quintessential trait of Greek Gods was order and civilization. Unlike the Titans which were mad chaotic elements that raged without any rules or laws, the Olympians were the ones who tamed the earth and made it suitable for human life and civilization.
>>84192938
No, no. The whole point is that while they attributed natural events and concepts to them(sun rises and falls because someone drives a chariot), they ultimately are defined by human morals and vices. They are whimsical as humans may be, but not utterly chaotic
>>84192964
Very well as gardeners.
>>84193077
Kek
>>84192214
Hephaestus did kinda force Aphrodite to marry him when he superglued Hera to that chair, though. If I recall correctly.
>tfw no one ever wants to talk about your pantheon
>>84192214
You mean where he traps them? Then the gods laughed? Then Ares and Aphrodite continued to bang?
If anything the humans fucked Ares more.
>>84193311
Norse>Egyptian>Greek>Chinese>Hindu
>>84193311
See here's your problem Horus- You have all these catgirls but no stories for them. You coulda cornered the furry market but you let it slip through your fingers!
>>84192465
Not all the primordials came from Chaos (who is also a primordial). Nyx is only the most powerful of the humanoid deities, Moros is the most powerful overall.
>>84192707
>The gods weren't gaining any traction in war against the titans until Zeus freed
The lightning was the only meaningful contribution, Zeus besting Typhon puts him beyond the rest of the Titans.
>>84193311
Because your pantheon got completely destroyed by the God of the hebrews. Tough luck, pal.
>>84193009
Debatable. The golden age of humanity in some forms of Greek mythology was actually under Kronos. They didn't have laws in that period because everyone in that period was intrinsically moral. Many of the titans in the same generation as Kronos weren't representative of elements, they were representative of concepts like divine order, sight, memory, etc.
>>84193584
Funny how Yahweh was just a shitty mountain god before the Jews fucked up the Philistines.
>>84192074
Of course it is, nobody wants those assholes back and all that praying is just going to catch their attention again.
>>84192092
>>84192301
Part of that has to do with the fact that to the Greeks the afterlife was not a better place as it is for example to the Christians.
They saw the world as cruel and unforgiving, and so was the next world.
Everyone suffered there, no matter if you had lived a good life or not. In a lot of aspects they were extrmely pessimistic. As written on a Greek tomb once: "I died childless, I wish my father had done the same"
>>84192932
It's too bad they are rarely ever depicted accurately in visual arts.
>>84193311
I would, but man, the Egyptian mythology is even more fragmented and contradictory than the Greek one.
>>84191864
Get off the internet Zeus.
>>84193755
>Everyone suffered there
I thought Elysium was meant to be a nice place?
>>84193311
>tfw people just associate your pantheon with human sacrifice and nobody bothers to learn the mythology.
>>84193311
;_;
Best god coming through!
>>84193906
That one, yes. However that place was only meant for heroes.
Did you knew the last Olympian shrine was destroyed during the Slavic invasion of Greece during the 7h century?
>>84193634
I always liked the idea of there being different gods from different religions in direct competition with one another
>>84193993
You are just a personification at best
What do Gods even do? Is there like bad ass God fights with like Zeus throwing thunder projectiles at Poseidon, with Poseidon commanding the sea and shit.
>>84194021
Greeks pantheon vs Norse mythology vs Egyptian gods who would win?
Not related, but does anyone know of anymore ironic Greek tales or interesting tales like this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissus_(mythology)
I like stories like this.
>>84194061
depends on the strat
>>84194061
Honestly a very difficult question to answer.
>>84194096
Ironic in what sense?
If you mean people getting punished by the gods in an ironic way I would recommend the Metarmorphoses to you, since that work is full of stories like that of Erysichthon.
>>84192019
>iamverysmart.jpg
>>84194061
Who's more of a sexual deviant, Zeus or Loki? What if they had to fuck each other and try to do something that would squick the other one out and make them bail to determine which pantheon is superior?
All of you. Into the C.O.M.P now. I got some ideals for some fusions.
>>84194246
That sounds very watchable
>>84193981
Obatala looks pretty bad ass.
>>84194246
I almost feel like one of the Egyptian gods could beat them.
>>84193981
>ORUNmila
>Is a speedster
>>84193311
Egyptian Mythology is based. That time Horus asserted dominance over Set by jizzing on his lettuce is still one of the best myths ever.
Mesopotamian pantheon gets no love, though. I wonder how it would be rated >>84193381
>>84193981
It's missing the little lolis.
>>84194337
Mesopotamians get overshadowed by Gilgamesh telling the gods to fuck off.
>>84191741
>>84194156
Yea that's exactly waht i'm looking for thank you.
>>84193981
Ozain the niggest
Shango look like he bout to drop a rap album
Slav gods are the best.
>>84193981
Would waifu Oya
Ozain looks coolest but they all look cool
>>84192038
>rapes some chick in a goddess's temple while fully aware that all the top tier goddesses were jealous wrathful bitches who didn't even need an excuse half the time to fuck up mortal women
But I guess he was too high on the food chain to notice that he was defiling his niece's shit
>>84193981
>erinle
>african god of fitness
sweet jesus
>>84194636
If there was a God of cucking, he'd be it.
>>84192301
Hades gift was having a place to go when you die.
>>84193311
Life is so unfair.
>>84192074
Not really, there is even an official Olympian sect
>>84193009
>Titans
>bad
Opinion discarded. The Titans were literally the Olympians but a generation previous.
>>84193624
Yeah, that is true. But even when they're kinda sorta good, the Titans are seen as generally less orderly and more primal than the Olympians.
>>84194886
The Greeks did not see the afterlife as a gift. They saw it as an awful, awful place.
>it's a Zeus has to hide his illegitimate unborn kid and the only place he can think to do so is inside his own body episode
A plot so nice they used it twice.
>>84193755
>I died childless, I wish my father had done the same
oh god I'm putting that in my will to be put on my tombstone
>>84192074
I don't know the finer details, but it's been classified as a recognized religion for a few years now
I don't think worship outside of one of the government recognized religions is punishable they just don't get tax free status or something? I'm not sure, I do know that Greece doesn't have freedom of religion like the U.S. does
>>84195030
I thought Hades was like Sheol. Not really bad. It was just where you went after you died.
>>84194930
At least that's a pantheon that's still revered.
>>84191864
>the world runs because Zeus keeps it running
>despite it running before Zeus ever existed
The sole greatest feat Zeus did was seal the Pandora's box. He then gave that shit to some random bitch who opened it and spread every fucking calamity to every person ever.
ALL the Greek gods were perpetual assholes. It's just they had benevolent sides as well and were fucking people and animals left and right.
>>84192244
>the patron god of ancient Rome was Venus
>Roma backwards is Amor
Also Roma probably derives from ruma, meaning breast, because of the hills.
>>84191629
He is clearly lacking oxygen and his hair and beard are made from jumbo campfire marshmallows.
>>84193311
I think it's because they're pretty straight forward.
Most egyptian gods have a significant story then go on to do their jobs. I guess competence = disinterest.
>>84195282
Hades had different layers.
The Fields of Punishment was basically hell, where criminals and those who sinned against the Pantheon went. 90% of dead people ended up in the Asphodel Meadows, which was a pretty okay place. Kind of like Purgatory or Limbo, but way less depressing because it was.. you know. A meadow. Basically if you didn't commit any significant crimes but also didn't really accomplish anything meaningful you ended up in Asphodel. On the plus side, you were allowed to drink from the River Lethe before entering if you wanted, so if you were a douche in life you basically get to forget your identity and start fresh in the afterlife.
Then if you were basically a worthy badass you ended up in Elysium, where you basically got to lay around and feast and shit and not have to worry about anything. Basically heaven or Valhalla.
There's also the Isle of the Blessed, but you could only go there if you went to Elysium three times after being reborn. I guess it's like... superheaven where naked tittygolems feed you olives and suck your dick constantly or something.
>>84191665
>>84192071
Athena wasn´t better either, She turn a woman into a spider for beating her in a weaving contest and transform Medusa into a monster as punishment for getting rape in the floor of her temple.
>>84193311
Are you kidding me? Only Greek mythology is more overrated than the Egyptian one. Frankly, I find it disgusting when people call Egyptian gods by their Greek names.
>>84195790
>tittygolems
But golems are Jewish.
Are you saying superheaven is full of Jewesses?
I could do that.
>>84195895
There's probably no jews in superheaven, but I didn't know what else to call a mythical woman made entirely out of breasts. TITans was too easy so I didn't use that. The Titlossus of Chodes? I don't know.
>>84193311
We know who to thank for that.
>>84195282
>I thought Hades was like Sheol. Not really bad. It was just where you went after you died.
I don't know about Sheol, but a couple of Greek characters are noted to say they'd rather be beggars on Earth than kings in the underworld. It's not a place of intentional awfulness like Hell, just a place of unlife. Which sucks.
>>84195474
Zeus is the dude who commands the seasons to change, the sun and the moon to rise, the winds to blow, the rain to fall, and all the other myriad gods and personifications to do their damn jobs. This in addition to his job as guardian of cosmic law and justice, patron of traders and foreigners, punisher of oathbreakers and a number of other roles he has in the lives of humans.
>ALL the Greek gods were perpetual assholes. It's just they had benevolent sides as well and were fucking people and animals left and right.
The Greek gods were all primarily helpers and patrons of humanity. They were only assholes on seldom occasions (which happen to be the most memorable stories about them).
I'm rather puzzled by this idea that any civilization would imagine their supreme deities as a bunch of cocks. That's not how religion works for God's sake.
>>84196110
It's all allegorical!
>>84196083
>I'm rather puzzled by this idea that any civilization would imagine their supreme deities as a bunch of cocks
Then you must have either been born yesterday or you're extremely naive.
>>84191629
No one to tell him no and he's on good terms with his first born son so literally no threat of getting dethroned
>>84196083
>I'm rather puzzled by this idea that any civilization would imagine their supreme deities as a bunch of cocks. That's not how religion works for God's sake.
That's exactly how religion works.
Life for the Greeks was shitty. As a consequence, they imagined their deities as shitty. They personified their struggles. I mean, holy fuck man, go read the Old Testament sometime. God was an unmitigated asshole. It wasn't until the religion started to evolve into its current incarnation that He mellowed out and became about love and compassion.
>>84192019
sorry, but >>84191787 hit the nail on the coffin better. Casuals don't give two shits about jupiter. But they will praise any deity that resembles Abrahamic god.
> I'm the only not retarded person I know
exactly. You're just plain stupid.
>>84196215
>Life for the Greeks was shitty. As a consequence, they imagined their deities as shitty.
Fuck that. Greeks loved life and ingrained the best qualities of life in their gods. The Greeks, like ancient Hebrews, saw their gods not as assholes who threw tantrums if they didn't get their prayers, but as beings actually worth worshiping. The gods they actually considered assholes, like Ares, they disliked very vocally. As far the Greeks were concerned, their gods were fucking awesome.
>>84196594
Then why did see the Greeks Hope being imprisoned in the box as a positive ending?
>>84193955
Well you have to admit the fact that he is about to eat a human arm doesn´t help his reputation.
While we're talking about common misconceptions, Romans didn't really steal gods and rename them for their beliefs, they just all happen to come from the same source.
Jupiter and Zeus both come from the same original word that evolved differently in Rome and Greece. Dyeus phter (Sky father), shortened to dyeus in Greek which became zeus, and combined into one in Roman, and became Ju-piter
>>84196755
I always thought the whole deal with hope in Pandora's box was intentionally subjective? It's either positive or negative depending on how the narrator portrays it and/or the listener interprets it.
>>84193866
Troglodyte, I do what I please, when I please.
>>84196110
In the catholic tradition, OT Yahweh wasnt so much a dick as his followers kept misinterpreting his actions. Think Hank Pym trying to be a hero/
>>84196186
he was like Kronos' fifth Kid with Rhea. Being the eldest kid doesnt get you shit as an olumpian
>>84197502
Frig off zeus.
>>84197951
How so? That's kind of sad. His instructions seem straightforward in the Bible.
>>84197951
>>84198494
it's the same no matter whose 'traditions' youre talking about
the difference is the jews use 'we fucked up' to keep them humble. the catholics used 'they fucked up' to act superior
>>84195575
Amare means "to love", verb. Amor means "lover" or "love" itself, noun.
Latin declined and conjugated through suffixes.
>>84193381
>religion with best theology
>worst
>>84199422
I took 4 semesters of Latin in college.
I didn't retain a single thing I learned, and I struggled through every class after the first semester. I have no idea how I passed. My degree says I know Latin. I don't know a thing about languages! Or how this happened to me. It was the same with four years of French in high school. I passed, but all I know is a your basic stock of words. I'm not even as fluent as a French grade schooler.
I just needed to get that out because I'm haunted by my ineptitude.
I think the Titans and primordial gods have been really overshadowed. Whitch is weird because Cronus and Uranus have both ruled the world before Zeus, you would think there would be more stories about them.
Also, Poseidon is king of the Mediterranean sea, but the Titan Oceanus, is the king of the oceans.
>>84199560
I took three semesters in High School.
I don't remember anything from the class except long nights of trying to memorize declension tables in vain.
I know your pain, anon.
>>84199637
It's nice to know I'm not alone, but it sucks to know someone else had to go through this, too.
>>84197974
Wasn't he the eldest surviving?
![2d1f90578032e12bf29f15292f0b5d0c[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yPZDnsI.jpg "2d1f90578032e12bf29f15292f0b5d0c[1].jpg")
>>84196755
Because they didn't lose hope
>>84196186
>>84197974
No, it was a threat from any son from Athena's mother Metis. That's why he made Athena swear t be a virgin.
Zeus played his cards well.
>>84191701
Zeus was basiccly like bill clinton.
He was a great person who aspired for great things in society as a whole but he fucked a lot of things along the way.
>>84191629
Sometimes storms need to happen for nature to flow. He was just doing his job. His problem is that he loves his job.
>>84199634
Because the gods affected the Greeks more closely.
>>84191629
hes crazy
>>84193348
Give Hephaestus credit, he had a lot of lovers as well. Athena even raised one of his kids in some myths.
>>84193955
>Posting the god who needed children to be sacrificed
At least use Quetzalcoatl for pic related purposes when complaining about your pantheonyou damn southern
>>84191665
>>84195830
Why were the Greek/Roman pantheon such monsters? They're more like demons than gods.
>>84193311
here http://desuarchive.org/co/thread/84005517/#84009800
this thread a few weeks ago about cartoon cats devolved into egyptian god talk
On a sort of related note, is odc-y cancelled?
>>84192074
Oh come on, is it really?
>>84205899
Well there are a shit ton versions of each story, usually depending on the area, there are some stories that say Medusa asked to be cursed so no man would ever hurt her again. The more asshole versions tend to be the most remebered and could be based on christian propaganda.
>>84193634
>you can't beat me, you're an idiot!
>yeah, well I'm the idiot that beat you!
>>84194337
>Mesopotamian pantheon gets no love
Nah, Yahweh is still a popular god, and Ishtar still has a holiday only its called Easter for some reason.
>>84205899
Because greek gods are self inserts
>>84206507
The word Easter comes from the Saxon goddess Eostre
>>84205899
Because when they looked around they noticed the world itself was a pretty fucked up place, so they came to the most obvious conclusion: the ones in charge are assholes. Christians have it worse to explain this with an all powerful benevolent god.
>>84206565
Hey, i will have you know I heard that it was ishtar somewhere at sometime years ago in a bar
>>84194337
The problem with Egyptian Mythology is it's all over the place because two diffrent traditions were mashed together, not helped by the fact that we only have bits and pieces of most of it. Then there is that time they tried being jews and said there was only one god.
>>84192428
Don't think Christianity would have been as popular with the West if people were told their savior was Yeshua bin Yosef.
>>84206743
No no, he was Jesus the guy with the sparkly blue eyes and impeccable English accent, kinda makes you question your sexuality with his abs.
>>84193311
>splooging on your uncle's salad
Kek
>>84195790
Didn't Hades have a huge entourage in the Underworld? Like doesn't Nyx and her husbando and kids live with him?
>>84205899
Greco-Roman Gods are directly based off the extremes of Human Emotion. It's why a Demi-God like Heracles or Achilles also act like children. Gods inhabit the extremes, man strives to be in moderation.
Greek gods were also pretty jealous of man, because man could actually die. Except for Bacchus and Aesclepius who actually did die and come back.
Meanwhile, while Christianity has put YHWH as some beneficial guy with a white beard (aka Jupiter), you have to remember that YHWH is basically an Eldritch Abomination who actually gives a shit about the world below it and is really, really opinionated.
>>84193981
Hand to god, I only stopped because I thought these were serialized porn novels.
