MAN OF STEEL (2013)
>Warner Bros Pictures greenlit the reboot in order to retain the rights to certain aspects of the character during the legal battle with the heirs of Superman's creators, Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster. Several directors and writers pitched their ideas for the story, among them Mark Millar, who advocated for a six movie sage chronicling Superman's entire life from his birth to his death, tentatively directed by Matthew Vaughn.
>Millar envisioned the first movie set entirely in Krypton and ending with Kal-El's rocket ship crash-landing in Smallville, Kansas; and the final movie culminating with Superman as the last man alive, having outlived all of his loved ones, left alone in an Earth ravaged as the Sun is on the verge of going supernova, like Krypton's once did. As it becomes red, stripping Superman of his powers, Superman embraces death and perishes when the Sun explodes and consumes the Earth.
>David S. Goyer created a concept for a modern, realistic approach on Superman while mapping out the plot of THE DARK KNIGHT RISES with Christopher Nolan, who then advocated in his favor with WB, leading to Goyer being selected as the writer. Nolan's brother and collaborator Jonathan Nolan was initially expected to direct the movie, but declined as he felt the project was too risky for his directorial debut.
>Ben Affleck was approached to direct the movie, but declined.
>Matt Reeves, Duncan Jones and Jonathan Liebesman were the frontrunners to direct the movie before Zack Snyder was hired. Darren Aronofsky was in advanced talks beforehand, but WB parted ways with him because he requested to revise Goyer's draft to his liking, and it required a bigger timetable than WB could afford in order to retain the rights.
>Although Goyer is the only credited writer, Snyder's collaborator Kurt Johnstad reportedly heavily doctored the script based on Snyder's notes.
>In early drafts, the war on Krypton was longer, including a segment in which Zod besieges Jor-El's observatory with robotic hounds, which are fought off by Kelex in a massive combat exoskeleton.
>In early drafts, Zod would unleash Faora and Nam-Ek upon China and the Middle East, respectively, and they'd level entire cities as a demonstration of Zod's power.
>In early drafts, Zod would be exiled to the Phantom Zone alongside his men, but Snyder and Goyer believed that having Superman be forced to kill him would be a more effective ending as it'd evidence the origin of Superman's no-kill rule. Nolan initially objected to the idea of killing Zod, but Snyder and Goyer ultimately persuaded him.
>WB executives initially objected to the idea of Lois Lane finding out Superman's identity early as, as they believed the Lois-Clark-Superman dynamic was important to the mythos, but Goyer advocated that it be removed as it was not fitting for a modern setting.
>Rough cuts began with Clark Kent arriving at the Daily Planet and developed the narrative through three interlocked sets of flashbacks, one in Krypton, one of Clark's childhood, and one of Clark's adulthood and transformation into Superman. Audiences found this confusing, so the Krypton segments were condensed into a prologue, the childhood flashbacks were trimmed, and the narrative was made linear.
>Snyder originally envisioned an after-credits scene where a shipment of Kryptonite would be delivered to Wayne Manor, but Nolan convinced him it was unnecessary.
>Joe Manganiello, Matthew Goode, Colin O'Donoghue and Armie Hammer auditioned for the role of Superman before Henry Cavill was cast. Snyder favored Manganiello, but he couldn't commit due to scheduling conflicts with TRUE BLOOD.
>Cavill had been cast as Superman once before in SUPERMAN: FLYBY, a reboot written by J.J. Abrams and directed by McG, set to be released in 2004, that was ultimately scrapped due to creative differences between the studio and the director. The cast also included Scarlett Johansson as Lois Lane, Shia LaBeouf as Jimmy Olsen, Christopher Walken as Perry White, Robert Downey Jr. as Lex Luthor, Anthony Hopkins as Jor-El and Joel Edgerton as Ty-Zor, Superman's evil brother.
>Anne Hathaway was offered the role of Lois Lane, but declined in favor of playing Catwoman in THE DARK KNIGHT RISES. Emmy Rossum, Charlotte Riley, Dianna Agron, Margot Robbie, Alexis Knapp, Kaya Scodelario, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, Kristen Bell, Lake Bell and Mila Kunis all auditoned before the role came down to Olivia Wilde and Amy Adams, who was ultimately hired. Adams had previously auditioned for the role of Lois in SUPERMAN: FLYBY.
>Daniel Day-Lewis was heavily pursued to play Jor-El, but declined. Sean Penn and Clive Owen were also considered.
>Connie Nielsen was originally slated to play Lara Lor-Van, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts and was briefly replaced by Julia Ormond, who also dropped out, leading to Aylet Zurer being cast.
>Bruce Greenwood, Dennis Quaid, Michael Biehn and Kurt Russell were considered for Jonathan Kent before Kevin Costner was cast.
>Julianne Moore, Jodie Foster, Sela Ward and Elisabeth Shue were considered for Martha Kent before Diane Lane was cast.
>Diane Kruger, Rosamund Pike, Kate Mara and Gal Gadot were considered for Faora before Antje Traue was cast. Snyder favored Gadot, but she couldn't commit due to her pregnancy.
>Viggo Mortensen was heavily pursued to play General Zod, but declined, and Michael Shannon was cast.
>>84179318
>it'd evidence the origin of Superman's no-kill rule
then why the fuck didn't they try to show that in BvS?
BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE (2016)
>Warner Bros Pictures originally greenlit a direct sequel to MAN OF STEEL, written by Goyer and directed by Snyder. The project was later retooled into a crossover between Superman and Batman as part of WB's ongoing effort to launch their own cinematic universe to rival Marvel's. During the brief period in which it was MAN OF STEEL 2, Snyder had plans to use Lex Luthor and Metallo as the antagonists.
>Josh Brolin and Ben Affleck were offered the role of Batman, but both declined. Joe Manganiello, Matthew Goode, Scott Adkins, Max Martini and Richard Armitage auditioned for the role before Affleck later reconsidered and brought along his contributor Chris Terrio to rewrite Goyer's script, which he was not satisfied with, requiring the movie to be delayed from summer 2015 to early 2016 to accomodate the rewrites.
>Early drafts ended with Batman assembling the Justice League, with Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg making brief appearances as a team, but the idea was later scrapped in favor of detailing the formation of the Justice League in their own movie.
>Early drafts included an appearance by the Joker, which was scrapped once the character was slated to appear in SUICIDE SQUAD.
>Olga Kurylenko, Elodie Yung and Emily Ratajkowski auditioned for the role of Wonder Woman before Gal Gadot was cast.
>Joaquin Phoenix was heavily pursued to play Lex Luthor, but declined. Matt Damon, Bradley Cooper, Denzel Washington and Bryan Cranston were also potential choices before Snyder changed his plans for the character.
>Jesse Eisenberg was originally approached to play Jimmy Olsen, as Snyder planned to cast a well-known actor in the role so the audience would be surprised when the character is unceremoniously killed off early in the movie, but Eisenberg declined. Snyder felt Eisenberg's disdainful attitude was so powerful he changed the entire script to accomodate for a new interpretation of Luthor that'd play to Eisenberg's strengths. Michael Cassidy played Olsen.
>Christopher Nolan objected to Superman's death, but Snyder ultimately persuaded him that it was necessary to the development of the DCEU. Early drafts featured Superman leaving Earth rather than sacrificing himself to stop Doomsday.
>Adam Driver auditioned for the role of Barry Allen before Ezra Miller was cast.
>Michael B. Jordan was approached to play Cyborg, but declined in favor of playing the Human Torch in FANT4STIC.
SUICIDE SQUAD (2016)
>Oprah Winfrey and Octavia Spencer were approached to play Amanda Waller before Viola Davis was cast.
>Tom Hardy was originally cast as Rick Flagg, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts with THE REVENANT. Jake Gyllenhall, Joel Edgerton, Luke Evans and Jon Bernthal auditioned for the role before Joel Kinnaman was cast.
>Jai Courtney auditioned for the role of Deadshot before being cast as Boomerang.
>Cara Delevigne auditioned for the role of Harley Quinn before being cast as the Enchantress.
>In 2011, WB planned to launch a standalone SUICIDE SQUAD movie written by Justin Marks, centered on the team being assembled by the United States government to stop a group of meta-human terrorists known as "The Onslaught" from rescuing their leader, a living weapon of mass destruction known as "Cobalt". The team was comprised of Deadshot, Boomerang, Vixen, Mindboggler, Javali, Multiplex and Blockbuster, and led by Rick Flagg and Amanda Waller.
>Although the project was scrapped, there were plans to cast Jason Statham as Deadshot and Zoe Saldana as Vixen, with CCH Pounder playing Waller, whom she had previously voiced in JUSTICE LEAGUE UNLIMITIED.
WONDER WOMAN (2017)
>Angelina Jolie, Kathryn Bigelow, Catherine Hardwicke, Mimi Leder, Karyn Kusama, Julie Taymor and Tricia Brock were considered to direct WONDER WOMAN before Michelle McLaren was cast. However, she dropped out due to creative differences and was replaced by Patty Jenkins.
>Liam Hemsworth and Alexander Skarsgard were considered for the role of Steve Trevor.
>Cate Blanchett and Nicole Kidman were offered the role of Queen Hyppolita, but declined.
JUSTICE LEAGUE (2017)
>JUSTICE LEAGUE was originally envisioned as a two-parter, with both installments directed by Zack Snyder, and with the same overall tone of BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE, but the movie's overwhelmingly negative reception and disappointing performance at the box office led to plans being changed into one movie, with a lighter and more upbeat tone, although the movie reportedly still sets up a direct sequel.
>Gugu Mbatha-Raw was linked to the role of Mera in JUSTICE LEAGUE before Amber Heard was cast.
>Alona Tal and Abbey Lee Kershaw have been linked to the role of Black Canary in JUSTICE LEAGUE.
THE FLASH (2018)
>Phil Lord & Chris Miller were slated to write and direct THE FLASH, but dropped out in favor of STAR WARS: HAN SOLO, writing only a story, with Seth Grahame-Smith taking over writing and directing duties. Smith later dropped out due to creative differences and has been replaced by Rick Famuyiga.
AQUAMAN (2018)
>Jeff Nichols and Noam Munro were considered to direct AQUAMAN before James Wan was hired. Nichols also reportedly wrote a version of the script, but it was scrapped in favor of a draft penned by Kurt Johnstad.
>MoS greenlit to regain rights
J U S T
>>84179248
>the first movie set entirely in Krypton and ending with Kal-El's rocket ship crash-landing in Smallville, Kansas
neat
>the final movie culminating with Superman as the last man alive
shit
>>84179318
>In early drafts, the war on Krypton was longer, including a segment in which Zod besieges Jor-El's observatory with robotic hounds, which are fought off by Kelex in a massive combat exoskeleton.
maybe it would have fixed the pacing, narrative issues and plothole
>it was not fitting for a modern setting.
that does not make a god dam lick of sense
>the narrative was made linear.
were we watching the same film
>>84179248
>Millar envisioned the first movie set entirely in Krypton and ending with Kal-El's rocket ship crash-landing in Smallville, Kansas; and the final movie culminating with Superman as the last man alive, having outlived all of his loved ones, left alone in an Earth ravaged as the Sun is on the verge of going supernova, like Krypton's once did. As it becomes red, stripping Superman of his powers, Superman embraces death and perishes when the Sun explodes and consumes the Earth.
I'm conflicted. All of this sounds amazing, and I would love to read a comic about it, buuuut....I'm not sure if it is the movie franchine that would better representantes Supes and work. Maybe it could work better as a mini-serie.
>>84179743
Six movies is too much, and nobody would watch 2 hours of Krypton.
>>84179663
>it was not fitting for a modern setting.
>that does not make a god dam lick of sense
THE FAGGOTS don't know that people love campy heroes, even more of it is charming and has personalitty, there is a reason for why people used to live Lois and Clark relationship and it hardly changed.
What I'm seeing is how POISONOUS Snyder and Goyer influence is. This universe will hardly work with Snyder in charge, the faggot thought that killing an important side character of the mythos at the first minutes would be "fun" Instead of using hilarious to create meanfull relationships with his MC.
>>84179248
We could have had this instead of the new era of capekino.
That's really nothing to cry about.
>>84179950
That why I said that a show with Six episodes would be better.
One hour each, by HBO. I think that could work.
Colbert just 'translated' the title of DC's new summer flick
>>84179479
>Snyder felt Eisenberg's disdainful attitude was so powerful he changed the entire script to accomodate for a new interpretation of Luthor that'd play to Eisenberg's strengths.
Sweet Jesus
>>84179479
I'm usually one of the Nolan's loudest bashers, but thank you, based Nolan.
>>84180153
I'm glad Snyder has so much creative control. Everyone else is just dragging him down. There's no storyteller on his level in the industry right now.
>>84180504
Faggot.
>>84179479
>Jesse Eisenberg was originally approached to play Jimmy Olsen, as Snyder planned to cast a well-known actor in the role so the audience would be surprised when the character is unceremoniously killed off early in the movie, but Eisenberg declined. Snyder felt Eisenberg's disdainful attitude was so powerful he changed the entire script to accomodate for a new interpretation of Luthor that'd play to Eisenberg's strengths. Michael Cassidy played Olsen.
This almost sounds like Snyder doesn't fucking understand normal human behavior.
>>84180872
Or has a boner for Eisenberg
>>84179558
>Chris Pine is Wonder-Sub
>Instead of Green Lantern
>>84179248
>Superman as the last man alive, having outlived all of his loved ones, left alone in an Earth ravaged as the Sun is on the verge of going supernova, like Krypton's once did. As it becomes red, stripping Superman of his powers, Superman embraces death and perishes when the Sun explodes and consumes the Earth.
NO
THANK YOU FOR SAVING ME ZACK SNYDER
THANK YOU SO MUCH
>>84181933
You see?
There are worse evils out there. Be thankful.
>>84179318
>fought off by Kelex in a massive combat exoskeleton.
That would have been ABAP.
>Nolan initially objected to the idea of killing Zod, but Snyder and Goyer ultimately persuaded him.
"Persuaded him."
>>84179351
>The cast also included Scarlett Johansson as Lois Lane, Shia LaBeouf as Jimmy Olsen, Christopher Walken as Perry White, Robert Downey Jr. as Lex Luthor, Anthony Hopkins as Jor-El and Joel Edgerton as Ty-Zor, Superman's evil brother.
lol
That would have been crazy.
Damn Mark Miller's Supes sounds hella depressing. And the Earth won't be consumed by the earth for billions of years I believe and Supes isn't immortal. So what the fuck.
And I hope the Black Canary thing is true.
>>84179318
>In early drafts, Zod would be exiled to the Phantom Zone alongside his men, but Snyder and Goyer believed that having Superman be forced to kill him would be a more effective ending as it'd evidence the origin of Superman's no-kill rule.
I will never understand how the fuck that is supposed to make any sort of sense.
But then again, I don't know what to expect from the 12 year old retard trapped in a 50 year old's body that made this.
Is to fair to say BvS is just mediocre at best and a lot of shit that it gets is fueled by anticipation and expectations we had? Dont get me wrong, it still has some glaring issues, but Id rather watch it again over Fanfourstic or ASM2. Also if the Jesse/Jimmy thing is true than fuck Snyder, learn how to lose an actor
>>84182072
I think Superman has an extended lifespan, but nowhere near that extent.
>>84182072
>>84182105
It is in some iterations.
>>84182090
No, BvS is genuinely bad on almost every level, from script to technical aspects to the dull/disinterested performances.
>>84182090
>>84182200
Nah, BvS is absolute perfection on every level. 10/10 masterpiece, plot, visuals, sounds, every technical aspect, acting, etc. All of it was done amazingly well.
>>84182255
I know this is a meme but its starting to get old now
>>84179435
>Joaquin Phoenix was heavily pursued to play Lex Luthor, but declined. Matt Damon, Bradley Cooper, Denzel Washington and Bryan Cranston were also potential choices before Snyder changed his plans for the character.
>>84179479
>Jesse Eisenberg was originally approached to play Jimmy Olsen, as Snyder planned to cast a well-known actor in the role so the audience would be surprised when the character is unceremoniously killed off early in the movie, but Eisenberg declined. Snyder felt Eisenberg's disdainful attitude was so powerful he changed the entire script to accomodate for a new interpretation of Luthor that'd play to Eisenberg's strengths. Michael Cassidy played Olsen.
Holy shit you can't be fucking serious. Source on these? There's no way Snyder's really THAT much of a retarded fucking hack. There's just no way.
>>84182105
Johns wrote him having a nightmare of outliving the human race, I think and leaving the empty earth with a backpack full of stuff like the Star Rod.
Morrison wrote him outliving all of his friends and leaving earth to wander the universe for a few thousand years before coming back and making his home in the heart of the sun for about 800 centuries, I think.
>>84182292
The truth isn't just a meme, buddy.
>>84179514
>Oprah Winfrey to play the WALL
WHY DIDN'T THIS HAPPEN?!
>>84182293
Did he have a hard on for Jesse or something? This isnt like courting Cranston or DiCaprio or something, this is fucking Jesse Spaghetti. Did he owe him money? None of this makes sense. Its like he wanted a set of actors but didnt give a damn about how they might work
>>84179479
>Adam Driver auditioned for the role of Barry Allen before Ezra Miller was cast
well yeah. how would he run fast with those two parachutes attached to his head?
>>84182301
That's too damn much and why would he even live that long? It doesn't make sense biological because he is organic and everything has a life span.
If anyone should outlive everyone else its Diana.
>greenlit the reboot in order to retain the rights
Pretty much the ultimate red flag with capeshit movies it seems
The tell-all book that comes out about the making of Batman v Superman is going to be fantastic.
>>84182491
Kryptonian biology is a hell of a thing, apparently.
And it's arguable as to how organic he is after he comes out of the sun.
I recall some early part of the Fourth World where he was introduced in the issue as "The Immortal Superman".
>>84182292
Baneposting got old by 2014.
Never underestimate how shit /tv/ really is.
>>84182293
>There's no way Snyder's really THAT much of a retarded fucking hack. There's just no way.
lol
>Nolan keeps saying "Don't do that Zack. People won't like it"
>Zack does it anyway
>Thing comes out
>Everybody scratches their heads and has no idea why they're not succeeding like they want.
I wish we weren't in the "Nolan was never good not like based snyder" meme phase.
>>84182709
>>Everybody scratches their heads and has no idea why they're not succeeding like they want.
Trinity and Snyder looked like shit day after reviews came out.
>>84179638
>a comic book cinematic universe was born due to muh rights
>>84182301
>Morrison wrote him outliving all of his friends and leaving earth to wander the universe for a few thousand years before coming back and making his home in the heart of the sun for about 800 centuries, I think.
Reminder that DC One Million was actually fucking great and Superman-Prime was the sickest shit.
It sounds like the dumbest shit ever made but Morrison made it work very well.
It's been forever since I've read that one. I want an animated adaptation or elements of it in a cartoon at some point. It's too awesome to pass up.
>>84183493
Where as marvel fought and paid studios to get Iron man, hulk thor and cap in one movie.....
Underdog stories always work better
>>84179479
>Michael B. Jordan was approached to play Cyborg, but declined in favor of playing the Human Torch in FANT4STIC.
>>84179479
>>Michael B. Jordan was approached to play Cyborg, but declined in favor of playing the Human Torch in FANT4STIC.
I bet he's really satisfied with that decision.
>>84179479
>Jesse Eisenberg was originally approached to play Jimmy Olsen, as Snyder planned to cast a well-known actor in the role so the audience would be surprised when the character is unceremoniously killed off early in the movie, but Eisenberg declined. Snyder felt Eisenberg's disdainful attitude was so powerful he changed the entire script to accomodate for a new interpretation of Luthor that'd play to Eisenberg's strengths. Michael Cassidy played Olsen.
Snyder is legitimately stupid. Actually Eisenberg as Jimmy Olsen wouldn't have been too bad.
>Michael B. Jordan was approached to play Cyborg, but declined in favor of playing the Human Torch in FANT4STIC.
His loss.
>>84179351
>Diane Kruger, Rosamund Pike, Kate Mara and Gal Gadot were considered for Faora before Antje Traue was cast. Snyder favored Gadot
>>84179435
>Olga Kurylenko, Elodie Yung and Emily Ratajkowski auditioned for the role of Wonder Woman before Gal Gadot was cast.
Jesus, what is wrong with Snyder? Why the hell was he so zealous about castins waifs in female warrior roles, and especially Gadot? Did he owe her money or something?
>>84179435
>Olga Kurylenko
Why? She's an even worse actor than Gadot.
She's a plank of wood when it comes to acting talent.
>>84183836
It's official: Snyder really sucks at casting.
I think Diane Kruger would've made a good Faora, then Antje could have been our WW.
Too bad Snyder's a hack.
>>84183855
>Why? She's an even worse actor than Gadot.
You're not serious are you? Gadot is horrific. She was truly the worst part of BvS. Olga can at least speak without sounding like a mongoloid.
>>84183880
Eh, Cavill and Affleck were good choices. Shanon and Jeremy Irons too, idk. Maybe he just sucks with women?
>>84183881
At least she didn't lick her lips whole movie.
>>84183916
No, she just had a smug cunty expression in every scene she was in.
>>84183892
All you need to look at is Eisenberg as Lex Luthor. Completely awful casting choice and most of us saw that trainwreck coming.
>>84183951
Yeah, no argument here. OTOH, I can't wait to see what a trainwreck JL is going to be.
>>84179318
>>WB executives initially objected to the idea of Lois Lane finding out Superman's identity early as, as they believed the Lois-Clark-Superman dynamic was important to the mythos, but Goyer advocated that it be removed as it was not fitting for a modern setting.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>84179318
>>Rough cuts began with Clark Kent arriving at the Daily Planet and developed the narrative through three interlocked sets of flashbacks, one in Krypton, one of Clark's childhood, and one of Clark's adulthood and transformation into Superman. Audiences found this confusing, so the Krypton segments were condensed into a prologue, the childhood flashbacks were trimmed, and the narrative was made linear.
They were still confusing, I couldnt tell where the movie was going it was like I was watching a bunch of scenes with barely any context to whats happening and why its being shown
>>84183777
poor bastard had no choice really, how could he say no to Chronicle 2
>>84179479
>Michael B. Jordan was approached to play Cyborg, but declined in favor of playing the Human Torch in FANT4STIC.
That's like jumping off of the Titanic and onto the iceberg.
>>84184368
>>84183777
Is he really confirmed for Black Panther?
>>84184378
I think pretty much everyone black and in movie making is in Black Panther.
>>84184404
Not gonna lie, that's kinda racist.
Oh you can be in own movies but only if youre the sidekick or in the black ppl movie.
>>84179558
>and with the same overall tone of BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE, but the movie's overwhelmingly negative reception and disappointing performance at the box office led to plans being changed into one movie, with a lighter and more upbeat tone, although the movie reportedly still sets up a direct sequel.
That's a lie.
>The middle film tends to be the darkest one. I do think from “Man of Steel” through “Justice League,” it is one saga really.
>I expect “Justice League” will be tonally not quite as dark as “Batman v Superman.” From that point of view, I felt compelled to go back and try to lift us and myself into a different tonal place because I think when you write a darker film, sometimes you want to redeem it all a bit.
Terrio said all that before BvS was bashed.
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2016/03/11/inside-chris-terrios-vision-for-batman-superman-and-justice-league/
>>84184430
Shh let the drones think this.
But honestly they been said the tones of the movies would be different.
>>84184422
Don't worry, Spider-Man: Homecoming has become the interracial breeding grounds.
>>84182086
It's like how when Daredevil accidentally knocked that prostitute out the window, he started being more careful and superhero-like than a straight-up vigilante. But the fact that Snyder failed to actually show this change or even demonstrate it throws all of it out the window
>>84184422
I think it might be because
1) Black Panther is currently THE big Black superhero movies. It's a pretty big opportunity to get some face time on screen in a big franchise.
and
2) How many black actors are there in Hollywood, anyway? They're probably having a tough time just rounding out the whole extended cast.
>>84184456
/pol/ I honestly don't care
>>84184459
Don't believe Matt's lies, anon.
>>84184462
Nah. In Hollywood if your black you got two choices:
Make a film and only star black ppl because the Jew think you can only make movies for black folks
Or
Get outside sourcing because of the above reason
They are plenty of black directors in Hollywood, they just can't get funding when its not a black casted movie. So Marvel isn't being progressive about this when they are following Hollywood tropes.
>>84184501
Why are you acting like it's a conspiracy that Black Panther has an all-black cast?
It takes place in a closed off African country.
>>84184531
I'm not acting like that. Of course BP is gonna have an all black cast
I'm saying for all of Marvel's talk about being progressive they only do the bare minuim overall. BTS of BP is just another tick into how much bullshit they can feed the public.
'We finally have a black director after 14+ movies"
In a movie starring black people. Just like Hollywood treats most Black directors.
>>84179435
>Emily Ratajkowski
i loved gal, but F UCK
what could have been
>>84179558
>Rick Famuyiga.
oh shit
hype as fuck
>>84179248
Source? googling leads back to past /co/ threads.
From what I can tell, I was right all along and Nolan really is the only person who felt like he had the best idea of what to do with DC heroes.
I can't believe he kept getting "persuaded" by Snyder and Goyer
>>84183435
>A SECOND FRESH REVIEW
>>84182665
>still posting that out of context quote
>>84184803
How is that out of context? You can literally listen to it
>>84184814
He's talking about one particular scene that he couldn't do while they're in costume rather than as a whole concept.
>>84179479
>Michael B. Jordan was approached to play Cyborg, but declined in favor of playing the Human Torch in FANT4STIC.
Dumb move kid.
>>84183630
I love Kyle.
He's my favorite Green Lantern. Why can't he be back on the Justice League?
>>84184531
>>84184586
What's interesting is The Flash is being directed by a Black Guy.
I love how Marvel goes out of their way to talk about how "progressive" they are and SJWs eat it the fuck up. But DC just casually does more progressive things and Marvel Drones who are SJWs talk about how DC is fascist and Marvel are a bunch of Saints.
>>84184675
>From what I can tell, I was right all along and Nolan really is the only person who felt like he had the best idea of what to do with DC heroes.
Honestly I think Nolan is kind of an overrated director. He has weird fucking views which come across way to strong in a lot of his movies (especially his Dark Knight Trilogy).
While I enjoyed Batman Begins it isn't great.
I don't think the two Nolan brothers realised they were making Paradise Lost starring Batman and the Joker, but whether they did or not they did well with adapting that with Batman.
Then Dark Knight Rises came out which was meant to be Nolan's mic drop on Batman and it fucking sucked!
>>84181959
Nah, what we got was still pure garbage.
The fact that these were the only choices proves how absolutely retarded WB is at this.
>>84185081
Are you seriously showing off how progressive DC is?
How low can one fanbase fall?
>>84185035
Johns hates him.
>>84184455
Why are you tripfagging, tripshit?
>>84179351
>Kate Mara
FUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKKK
>>84179558
>Phil Lord & Chris Miller were slated to write and direct THE FLASH, but dropped out in favor of STAR WARS: HAN SOLO
Christ, what jews.
>Could create something new and brilliant
No let's just make a Han Solo prequel because... money.
>>84179351
>Joel Edgerton as Ty-Zor, Superman's evil brother.
>>84185221
does he hate Stewart as well?
>>84179318
>Nam-Ek
really? Is this just a really """""subtle""""" nod to a certain japanime or is there actually a character in Superman lore named that? Genuinely curious
>>84185438
Of course. And Guy. And Arisia, Mogo, Guy and Guardians. Everyone except Hal and Sinestro.
>>84182342
What the hell are they going to pay her in? Whole Swiss bank accounts? Because she's a cutthroat businesswoman, if she's acting in something you best believe she's getting paid on her multi-million dollar terms
>>84185081
"Thor: Ragnarok" is being directed by a Maori guy and Marvel said nothing, DC drone.
>>84185310
>The Flash
>New and brilliant
kek
>>84180872
Snyder is an autist. He's literally an 8 year old edgelord
>>84179743
well syfy seems to think people want an entire SHOW bout krypton
Mark Millar must be a moron
>>84185649
I do. Could be cool. I just wish there was stuff about Zod back when he was a hero and friends with Jor El.
>>84185496
Fucking DC, stealing muh animu names.
>>84185668
if it were on a channel that had actual talent and werent being helmed by goyer id be probably more excied ya know?
>>84185678
I don't really care about who makes the stuff as long as it ends up good. Some people act like it's impossible for anyone to improve.
>>84185674
I would actually have been genuinely entertained if it had been a nod to DBZ, I find the thought of a weaboo being in the upper echelons of WB amusing. It'd also explain that anime-esque over the top fight scene between Zod and Superman at the end of the movie
>>84182086
It's scenes like this that make me think this is a parody movie.
Just imagine if there was a school bus full of orphans behind Superman as he jumps over that truck and casually avoids the explosion.
Imagine Superman standing in front of a crowd as someone unloads a minigun and he easily dodges each bullet, knowing it can't hurt him anyways, and smugly staring at the gunman while bullet riddled people scream in pain behind him.
This could actually make parody movies decent to watch again.
The MCU version.
Iron Man (2008)
>Several directors turned the movie down because they believed it'd flop before Jon Favreau was hired. Louis Leterrier was also interested, and subsequently directed THE INCREDIBLE HULK.
>Sam Rockwell and Clive Owen auditioned for Tony Stark before Robert Downey Jr. was cast.
>Rachel McAdams was offered Pepper Potts, but declined, and Gwyneth Paltrow was cast.
>Early drafts featured the Mandarin as a corrupt Chinese businessman who led the 10 Rings and created the Crimson Dynamo armor to fight Iron Man, before Jon Favreau decided to build up to the character.
>Early drafts featured Obadiah Stane only as Stark's estranged mentor, and his descend into villainy would be explored over several movies.
>In early drafts, Stark would throw Stane into a vat of acid rather than have him caught in the blast of the Arc Reactor's explosion. When the armor is retrieved, Stane's body is gone, indicating he might have survived.
>In early drafts, Stark would fight Stane in the prototype Mark IV armor, which includes a shoulder-mounted gattling gun and would later become the War Machine armor.
>The movie was filmed mostly without a script, with actors ad-libbing most of their lines based on a production guideline. Production was so chaotic that both the cast and the producers believed the movie would be a disaster until test-screenings reported surprisingly positive audience reception.
The Incredible Hulk (2008)
>Mark Ruffalo was Louis Leterrier's original choice for Bruce Banner, but the studio favored Edward Norton.
>Ray Stevenson auditioned for Emil Blonsky before Tim Roth was cast.
>Norton had concerns about the movie's direction and demanded to revise the script. He notoriously clashed with producers and added several subplots that were partially filmed and ultimately cut.
>Stan Lee would originally cameo as the captain of the USS Excelsior, a fishing boat that Banner and Betty hire to take them to Manhattan after the U.S. military blockade the bridge.
>The Hulk would originally decapitate the Abomination with the chain wrapped around his neck. This was changed due to negative reception from test-audiences.
>Norton was a fan of "The Wire" and added a subplot about a man, played by Michael K. Williams, who reaches out to the Hulk during the Battle of Harlem to stop the destruction. The subplot was almost entirely cut and Williams' role reduced to a cameo.
>Norton also added an extended comedic sequence where Banner interacts with a computer geek while trying to retrieve data from the university. Seth Rogen, Jonah Hill and Jason Segel were approached to make an appearance as the computer geek, but when they all declined, the scene was scrapped and the geek reduced to a cameo, played by Martin Starr.
Iron Man 2 (2010)
>Emily Blunt was originally cast as Natasha Romanoff, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts and was replaced by Scarlett Johansson.
>Terrence Howard, who played James Rhodes, was the highest-paid actor in "Iron Man", and asked to accept a pay cut for the sequel. When he refused, he was fired and replaced by Don Cheadle.
>Tim Robbins was approached to play Howars Stark, but declined.
>Zhang Ziyi was approached to play Rumiko Fujikawa before the character was scrapped.
>Justin Hammer was originally the main villain, and would've been an older, shrewd businessman. Producers envisioned Al Pacino in the role, but the idea was scrapped when Hammer was made into a younger, more comedic character and the secondary antagonist.
>Ivan Vanko was originally a secondary villain, alongside his brother Boris Bullsky. Vanko would die during the fight in Monaco, and Bullsky would be recruited by Hammer to become Titanium Man and avenge his brother's death. Sam Rockwell originally auditioned for Bullsky before the two characters were merged into one and made into the primary antagonist, played by Mickey Rourke.
>Jon Favreau's original plan was to adapt the "Demon in a Bottle" storyline, with Stark descending into alcoholism due to Hammer's machinations to ruin his public image, government pressure to surrender his technology and Pepper finding a new boyfriend, but the studio felt the subject was too dark and persuaded Favreau to change it to a storyline of Stark dying of Palladium poisoning.
>Hawkeye was featured in early drafts, but was cut due to being superfluous to the narrative, filling the same role as Black Widow.
>In early cuts, Stark and Romanoff had a more flirtatious relationship. Most of these scenes where cut as test-audiences believed it underscored Stark's relationship with Pepper.
>In early cuts, Vanko was a more sympathetic character, but most of these scenes were cut, which displeased Rourke. He disowned the movie and swore never to work with Marvel again.
>Rourke added most of Vanko's quirks such as the hair, the tattoos, the dentures and the bird.
>Favreau notoriously complained about the rushed production schedule that didn't allow him to refine the script as much as he wanted. The cast once again ad-libbed most of their dialogue.
>In the original ending, Vanko would kidnap Pepper to force Stark to surrender to him and be executed, but War Machine intervenes and rescues Stark and Pepper before killing Vanko with the Ex-Wife missile. Test-audiences felt the ending was anti-climatic, and a new version where Iron Man and War Machine fight an armored Vanko was filmed.
Thor (2011)
>Daniel Craig was the original choice to play Thor, but declined.
>Charlie Hunnam, Joel Kinnaman, Alexander Skarsgard and Tom Hiddleston auditoned for Thor. Hiddleston impressed producers enough to be offered the role of Loki. The frontrunners were Chris Hemsworth and Liam Hemsworth, with Chris ultimately being cast.
>Natalie Portman agreed to play Jane Foster because she felt the need to be in a lighter movie afte the emotionally straining "Black Swan".
>Josh Hartnett and Charlie Cox auditioned for Loki.
>Brian Blessed was originally approached to play Odin.
>Jessica Biel and Diora Baird auditoned for Sif.
>Alexander Townsend was originally cast as Fandral, but was fired due to his erractic behavior. Zachary Levi was originally approached to replace him, but couldn't commit, and Josh Dallas was cast.
>Early drafts featured Thor's human alter-ego, Dr. Donald Blake, and Kevin McKidd was reportedly approached to play him before the character was scrapped.
>Early drafts featured Thor and Loki's other brother, Balder.
>At one point, Sif and Heimdall would've been siblings, and Sif would've been black, but the idea was scrapped.
>>84185872
>the only way to make the scene look bad is if you pretend that something completely different happened
It was an empty parking garage behind him, and he couldn't afford to tank the explosion headfirst since he was stunned the last time he tried it. You just make up fanfiction to make this Superman look bad.
Captain America: The First Avenger (2011)
>Louis Leterrier volunteered to direct the movie, but the studio favored Joe Johnston.
>Joss Whedon made minor revisions to the script after signing on to direct "The Avengers".
>Channing Tatum, Garrett Hedlund, Scott Porter, Mike Vogel, Michael Cassidy, Wilson Bethel, Chace Crowford, Jensen Ackles and Sebastian Stan auditoned for Steve Rogers before Chris Evans was cast. Stan impressed producers and was hired to play James "Bucky" Barnes.
>Evans was initially reluctant to join due to the nine-picture contract offered by the studio, but agreed once it was reduced to a six movie contract.
>Emily Blunt was offered the role of Peggy Carter, but declined. Rosamund Pike, Alice Eve, Keira Knightley, Gemma Arterton and Alexa Davalos auditoned before Hayley Atwell was cast.
>Thomas Kretschmann auditioned for the role of Red Skull. He'd later play Baron Wolfgang von Strucker in "Avengers: Age of Ultron".
>Early drafts featured Baron Heinrich Zemo and Baron Wolfgang Von Strucker as high-ranking members of Hydra, but the writers believed they'd be wasted on minor role and should be used later as main antagonists.
>>84185702
you know, youre completely correct.
>>84185937
If only he had super strength to stop the truck in one second.
>>84185583
That's cause it isn't coming out soon.
Also, there aren't many Maori people in the United States so SJWs don't give half a fuck.
The Avengers (2012)
>Jon Favreau was approached to direct the movie, but declined, while Louis Leterrier volunteered his services, but was turned down.
>Joe Carnahan was in discussion to direct the movie before Joss Whedon was hired.
>Zak Penn wrote the original script, and produced multiple drafts to accomodate the developments of the MCU. At one point, there were plans to introduce Thor and Loki directly in the movie rather than give Thor his own feature, as producers believed audiences would react poorly to the tonal dissonance of Thor's magic-oriented story.
>Penn's original drafts featured the Avengers being assembled by SHIELD to fight Hulk, who had been brainwashed by Loki, before they join forces to defend the Earth from an invasion of the Frost Giants. When Whedon joined the project, he scrapped Penn's version and wrote his own draft.
>Whedon originally wanted to use Ultron as the main villain, but was convinced by Marvel to use Loki as originally planned.
>Ant-Man and the Wasp were featured in early drafts. Ant-Man was removed after his movie was delayed. Whedon still wanted to include the Wasp, but the character was ultimately cut for being superfluous to the plot.
>Early drafts made Stark into the main character, but further revisions turned the movie into a more effective ensemble.
>Whedon was the one that suggested that Thanos be added to the movie as Loki's benefactor.
>Originally, Thor would use lightning to revive Stark after he falls back from the wormhole. Ruffalo improvised the scene where Hulk awakens Stark by roaring at him, and Whedon liked it enough to include it in the movie.
>Early cuts were over three hours long. To scale down the running time, Whedon cut several segments of the Battle of New York and several scenes about Rogers' struggle to adapt to modern times.
>In early cuts, Maria Hill being debriefed by the World Security Council about the Battle of New York is using a framing device that opens and closes the movie.
>Robert Downey Jr. ad-libbed most of his dialogue.
>Edward Norton did not return due to his troubled relationship with Marvel Studios. David Duchovny was briefly considered as his replacement before Mark Ruffalo joined the cast.
>Jensen Ackles auditioned for Hawkeye before Jeremy Renner was cast.
>Morena Baccarin and Mary Elizabeth Winstead auditioned for Maria Hill before Cobie Smulders was cast.
>At one point, it was discussed to make Loki's army the Skrulls, but the studio felt the shapeshifting aspect would clutter the narrative and opted to create a new race and name them the Chitauri.
>The movie was originally rated "R" for the scene where Phil Coulson is killed by Loki. To ensure the PG-13 rating, the blood was digitally erased, the stabbing was shortened and a reaction shot of Thor was added to "break" the continuous sequence of Coulson being stabbed and collapsing on the floor.
So give it to me straight.
Is there any way for the DCEU to be redeemed? Or will it flop and they'll just try again in a few years after Marvel's movies die down?
>>84185987
>Marvel's movies die down?
There's your first mistake.
>>84185985
>The movie was originally rated "R" for the scene where Phil Coulson is killed by Loki. To ensure the PG-13 rating, the blood was digitally erased, the stabbing was shortened and a reaction shot of Thor was added to "break" the continuous sequence of Coulson being stabbed and collapsing on the floor.
Too bad they didn't erase all of his scenes.
Iron Man 3 (2013)
>Tom Hooper was approached to direct the movie before Shane Black was hired at Robert Downey Jr.'s behest.
>Early plots discussed for the movie including Stark dismantling a conspiracy to sell Arc Reactor-powered weaponry on the black market and Stark attempting to prevent the Mandarin from hijacking China's efforts to create their own Iron Men.
>The Mandarin was expected to be the main villain, but Black and writer Drew Peace believed him to be a racist caricature and decided to make him a fabrication of the real villain.
>Originally, Maya Hansen would've been the main villain, but in further revisions her role was reduced in favor of Aldrich Killian.
>Jude Law was approached to play Killian before Guy Pearce was cast.
>Jessica Chastain was originally cast as Maya Hansen, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts. Gemma Arterton, Isla Fisher and Diane Kruger auditioned before Rebecca Hall was cast.
>Andy Lau was originally cast as Dr. Chen Wu, an old friend of Stark's who is instrumental to Killian's defeat, but dropped out and was replaced by Wang Xueqi. The role was reduced in further revisions, although the Chinese cut of the movie had several minor aditional scenes of Wu and his assistant, played by Fan Bingbing, to cater to Chinese audiences.
>Anthony Mackie auditioned for the role of Eric Savin. He'd later play the Falcon.
>Black's first draft for the movie was rated R.
>In early drafts, Extremis was a nanotechnology-based version of the Supersoldier Serum, but was later changed to a gene therapy procedure.
>In early drafts, Pepper would've had a tryst with Killian. Killian would use his Extremis-enhanced pheromones to seduce her, record their sexual encounter and broadcast it nationwide to taunt Stark.
>"Iron Man 3" was the last movie in Robert Downey Jr.'s original four-picture contract, and was written as a definitive end for the character should Downey Jr. not renegotiate to play the character in further installments.
>>84186040
Eventually, the superhero movie bubble's going to burst. And when it does, DC could easily get back in first.
>>84185978
>and several scenes about Rogers' struggle to adapt to modern times.
Damn, that seems like it would have been great.
>>84186051
>Black's first draft for the movie was rated R.
>In early drafts, Pepper would've had a tryst with Killian. Killian would use his Extremis-enhanced pheromones to seduce her, record their sexual encounter and broadcast it nationwide to taunt Stark.
I swear Hollywood just does not fucking get it when it comes to superhero movies
>>84186084
>DC could easily get back in first
Historically, WB/DC has been unable to make 3 movies in a row without at least one of them being complete shit.
Thor: The Dark World (2013)
>Patty Jenkins was hired to direct the movie at Natalie Portman's behest, but dropped out due to creative differences, and was replaced by Alan Taylor. Portman was reportedly upset by the decision and no longer wanted to be in the movie, but was contractually obligued to do so.
>Taylor notoriously clashed with producers, as he wanted a longer, darker and grittier movie, while they preferred a shorter, more humorous and sci-fi-oriented movie. The movie was revised multiple times during filming to find a middle ground, and several scenes were cut. Taylor also hated the stinger directed by James Gunn, which he felt didn't fit with the movie's tone.
>Mads Mikkselsen was originally cast as Malekith, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts and was replaced by Christopher Eccleston.
>Josh Dallas couldn't reprise his role as Fandral due to scheduling conflicts and was replaced by Zachary Levi.
>In early drafts, Malekith was a more sympathetic character, and his backstory included witnessing his family needlessly being slaughtered by Thor's grandfather, Bors, fueling Malekith's hatred of Asgard and his obsession with plunging the Universe into darkness to restore his people.
>In early drafts, Sif had a larger role and would compete with Jane for Thor's affections, but most of her scenes were cut after Jamie Alexander injured herself on set.
>In early drafts, Loki had a minor role, but further revisions expanded his part due to his newfound popularity caused by "The Avengers".
>Early draft also included larger roles for Jane's suitor, Richard, played by Chris O'Dowd; and Asgardian commander Tyr, played by Clive Russell. They also featured the Valkyrie in a pivotal role.
>In early drafts, Jane would be corrupted by the Aether and become a vengeful sorceress, but this was scrapped as a "needless complication".
>Joss Whedon did minor revisions on the script. One of his demands a shirtless scene for Chris Hemsworth.
>>84179435
>fore Affleck later reconsidered and brought along his contributor Chris Terrio to rewrite Goyer's script, which he was not satisfied with, requiring the movie to be delayed from summer 2015 to early 2016 to accomodate the rewrites
hope he was satisfied with what he co-created
Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014)
>F. Gary Gray and George Nolfi were considered to direct the movie before Joe & Anthony Russo were hired.
>Anna Kendrick, Emilia Clarke, Felicity Jones, Imogen Gay Poots, Teresa Palmer, Alison Brie, Mary Elizabeth Winstead and Jessica Brown Findlay auditioned for Sharon Carter before Emily VanCamp was cast.
>Kevin Durand, Josh Holloway and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau auditioned for Brock Rumlow before Frank Grillo was cast.
>Michael B. Jordan auditioned for Sam Wilson before Anthony Mackie was cast.
>Alec Baldwin was approached to play Alexander Pierce before Robert Redford agreed to join the movie.
>Early drafts featured several flashbacks of Captain America in WWII to explore his friendship with Bucky and his Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, but they were nearly entirely scrapped from the movie.
>Early drafts featured Hawkeye being deployed to capture Captain America after he escapes from the Triskelion, leading to a chase through the streets of Washington, D.C. that ends with Rogers and Barton fighting in an abandoned warehouse. Rogers gains the upper hand, and Barton alerts him that there are tracking devices on his suit before letting Rogers go and making it appear as if he had escaped. He would later coordinate the evacuation of the Triskelion and protect innocent agents from Hydra operatives, but writers felt he was superfluous to the narrative and Renner was unavailable for the majority of filming.
>In early drafts, Sharon Carter had a larger role. To streamline the narrative, parts of her character were merged with Black Widow.
>In early drafts, Zola would survive the explosion at the old SHIELD outpost by leaving in a robotic body, but the idea was scrapped as it "looked too silly" after such a emotionally-heavy scene.
>Scarlett Johansson suggested the arrow necklace Romanoff wears throughout the movie.
Guardians of the Galaxy (2014)
>Peyton Reed was considered to direct the movie before James Gunn was hired.
>Joel Edgerton, Eddie Redmayne, Jensen Ackles, Jack Huston, Cam Gigandet, Sullivan Stapleton, Logan Marshall-Green, Garrett Hedlund, Chris Lowell, James Marsden, Jim Sturgess, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Aaron Paul, Michael Rosenbaum, Wes Bentley, John Krasinski, Lee Pace and Glenn Howerton auditioned for the role of Star-Lord before Chris Pratt was cast. According to Gunn,Howerton would be offered the part if Pratt hadn't been cast.
>Gunn originally didn't want to watch Pratt's audition tape, believing him to be wrong for the role, but was ultimately convinced by his assistant and immediately decided Pratt was the ideal Star-Lord.
>Gina Carano, Olivia Wilde, Rachel Nichols, Thandie Newton and Adrianne Palicki auditioned for the role of Gamora, while Elizabeth Banks campaigned for the part, before Zoe Saldana was cast.
>Jason Momoa was offered the role of Drax, but turned it down due to salary issues. Djimon Hounson, Brian Patrick Wade and Isaiah Mustafa also auditioned before Dave Bautista was cast. Hounsou was later cast as Korath.
>Jim Carrey, Adam Sandler and David Tennat were approached to voice Rocket before Bradley Cooper was cast.
>Gal Gadot auditoned for the role of Nebula.
>Early drafts featured Richard Rider becoming Nova as a counter-point to Star-Lord. In further revisions, Rider was cut so Star-Lord could be the sole focus.
>Early drafts featured Bug as a member of the team, but he had to be cut due to copyright issues.
>Early drafts featured an appearance of Adam Warlock.
>Gunn originally didn't want to include Thanos in the movie as mandated by the studio, as he believed it'd cheapen Ronan's role as the main villain. However, he found an appropriate middle ground in Ronan threatening to go after Thanos and killing his lackey, the Other.
>Early drafts included the Spartoi and the Nova Centurions.
>In early drafts, Yondu would die during the Battle of Xandar.
>Early cuts featured additional scenes set to "Livin' Thing" by ELO and "Spirit in the Sky" by Norman Greenbaum. Also, "Hooked on a Feeling" was originally set to Star-Lord's arrival at the Moragian temple to retrieve the orb.
>Early cuts featured an extended version of the epilogue set to "Ain't No Mountain High Enough", revealing an elderly Grandpa Quill still hoping Peter will return one day. The segment was cut because several test-audiences didn't recognize actor Gregg Henry due to the prosthetics used to make him look older, and felt that the scene was too depressing.
>Ronan's soldiers were originally the Badoon, but their rights were with 20th Century Fox, requiring them to be changed to Saakarans.
>Marvel wanted to use Galactus and the Silver Surfer in the scene where the Collector is explaining the Infinity Stones, and offered to extend the deadline for the rights of Daredevil so Fox could complete the troubled, long-delayed R-rated movie written and directed by Joe Carnahan that they were producing, in exchange for letting the Fantastic Four's affiliated characters revert to Marvel. Fox preferred to hold on to the Fantastic Four's lore, and a Celestial was used in that scene instead, while Daredevil and his affiliated characters reverted.
>Originally, Stan Lee would be part of the Collector's inventory and flip off Groot when Groot notices him, but Gunn changed it as believed it was "too meta".
>>84186084
See, by then, it may have been too late. This might have been DC/WB's only real shot at a cinematic universe. We're kind of fucked with the position they've found themselves in. We have to hope that they salvage the fuck out of it when Snyder's gone.
>>84186084
It doesn't seem like it'll "burst" anytime soon as this rate.
Hype for Marvel movies among normies is increasing, Marvel is still pushing out movies fairly quickly with no sign of slowing down, and they're still breaking bank.
If DC are banking on waiting till the bubble bursts, they're likely going to be waiting for quite a while.
>>84185987
>Is there any way for the DCEU to be redeemed?
Suicide Squad does well, they continue to make normie-friendly films for cash and superkino for fans.
>>84185987
Decide fuck it with Justice League and go Justice League Dark, go for the full supernatural thriller (and maybe with a slight touch of horror) experience, give the audience something radically different from Marvel/Fox/Sony.
Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015)
>Saoirse Ronan was approached to play Scarlet Witch, but declined, and Elizabeth Olsen was cast.
>Dougray Scott and Marton Csokas auditioned for the role of Baron Wolfgang Von Strucker.
>Natalie Martinez auditioned for the role of Laura Barton.
>Early into production, there were plans for J.A.R.V.I.S. to become Ultron.
>The Tesseract and Loki's staff were originally not going to be Infinity Stones. They were retroactively made into part of the Stones to further Thanos' storyline.
>Loki would originally appear in Thor's vision, discussing the impending cataclysm in the ruins of Asgard. This was cut because test-audiences were confused about the nature of the vision and believed it implied Loki was behind Ultron becoming sentient.
>The studio originally planned to cut the heroes' visions and reduce the segment at Hawkeye's farm, but Whedon convinced them otherwise. He was require to include the segment about Thor's investigation into the Infinity Stone, although it was later poorly received by test-audiences and mostly cut.
>Whedon included the romantic subplot between Banner and Black Widow as he felt the Hawkeye/Black Widow pairing originally planned by the studio was too predictable.
>Whedon notoriously struggled to write the script and clashed with the studio throughout production.
>The rough cut was over three hours long and severely edited to reduce the running time, which included completely reestructuring the final battle, which required lenghty reshoots and post-production.
>An alternative ending where Quicksilver survives and joins the New Avengers was filmed should the studio change their minds about the character's death.
>The original formation of the New Avengers also included Spider-Man and Captain Marvel, but the deal with Sony Pictures was not yet finalized and the studio felt Captain Marvel was best served being introduced in her own movie.
>>84185920
>>In early cuts, Vanko was a more sympathetic character, but most of these scenes were cut, which displeased Rourke. He disowned the movie and swore never to work with Marvel again.
Birth of a supervillain.
>In early drafts, Ultron would recruit the Abomination to join him. Tim Roth was approached to return to the role before the idea was scrapped.
>In early drafts, the Battle of Sokovia would culminate with the Ultron drones combining to form a skyscrapper-sized Ultron that'd fight all the Avengers at once.
>In early drafts, Banner would reject Romanoff, as she views him as a representative of the stable, normal life she wishes she had, and he believes he's no longer entitled to. She would also trigger his transformation into the Hulk in the final battle by claiming to have lied about her feeling to keep the Hulk under control.
>In early drafts, Rogers and Stark would have a more contentious relationship and part on less amicable terms.
>In early drafts, Ultron was directly modeled after Stark's personality and his ideals were a corrupted, extremist version of Stark's own viewpoints about humanity.
>In early drafts, the Avengers confront Ultron, the Twins and Ulysses Klaw at a hijacked Vibranium mine in the outskirts of Wakanda, which was changed so as to give Wakanda a proper introduction in the standalone BLACK PANTHER movie.
>>84186390
>superkino
Why do you /tv/-hipsters use a russian synonym that's normally reserved for films with critical acclaim to define a movie with little to no critical acclaim?
I guess it's this "irony" thing you hipsters are so fond of.
Ant-Man (2015)
>"Ant-Man" would originally be part of Phase I with a tentpole release date in 2010.
>Edgar Wright was originally attached to direct the movie. Production was delayed numerous times, and he eventually dropped out due to creative differences with the studio.
>Wright reportedly wanted a stylized and completely standalone movie, unfitting with the tone and approach of the MCU. Studio revisions to his script, including mandatory cameos by Howard Stark and Peggy Carter, are what drove him to quit.
>Adam McKay and Rawson Marshall Thurber were considered to direct the movie before Peyton Reed was hired. McKay revised the script.
>Joseph Gordon-Levitt was the frontrunner to play Scott Lang alongside Paul Rudd.
>Jessica Chastain was approached to play Hope Van Dyne, but declined due to scheduling conflicts.
>Steve Buscemi was Reed's first choice to play Hank Pym, but was unavailable, and Michael Douglas was cast.
>Patrick Wilson was originally cast as Jim Paxton, but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts when production was delayed.
>Matt Gerald was originally cast as a member of Scott's crew, Sam, but the character was scrapped in Reed's revisions.
>Early cuts included a prologue set in 1989, featuring a young Pym retrieving stolen data from a military compound in Cuba. Jordi Molla was cast as the compound's leader, General Castillo, but his scenes were cut.
>Early cuts featured Lang retrieving the stolen Cross Particles from HYDRA operative Mitchell Carson, but this was cut to leave the storyline to be explored in a potential sequel.
>Evangeline Lily nearly dropped out of the movie after Wright's departure, and only changed her mind after meeting Reed and learning her role would be expanded.
>Early cuts featured Darren Cross experimenting with the Cross Particles before unveiling the Yellowjacket, and testing the suit himself, explaining his insanity. The order of the scenes was rearranged in post-production to make the movie more dynamic.
>In Wright's draft, Lang is an petty criminal who has been arrested multiple times and Pym is a mad scientist obsessed with his legacy. Both characters were much less sympathetic than their movie counterparts.
>Hope Van Dyne had a minor role.
>Scott's crew was formed by eight different criminals, who all had minor roles.
>Darren Cross would become the Nano-Warrior rather than the Yellowjacket.
>Maggie and Paxton had larger roles. Scott, Maggie and Paxton would be childhood friends, and Scott and Paxton would have always competed for her affections. Paxton would been a petty crook before becoming a policeman, and much less sympathetic towards Scott.
>The final battle between Ant-Man and Nano Warrior would've taken place at a high-speed car chase.
>Reed's revisions added Scott's sympathetic backstory; Pym's more sympathetic characterization; a larger role for Hope; Scott's crew being condensed into Luis, Dave and Kurt; the Quantum Realm; Ant-Man fighting the Falcon; and reduced roles for Maggie and Paxton, with Paxton being a more sympathetic character.
>>84187270
Taking a word or phrase and voiding them of its meaning is what /tv/ does best. They are the meme factory after all. It's quite sad, really that the board ended up that way.
>>84187308
>The final battle between Ant-Man and Nano Warrior would've taken place at a high-speed car chase.
If anything, that sounds much better than what we got.
>>84187474
No that sounds fucking retarded.
>>84187270
/tv/ is about three things and ONLY three things
pedophilia, foot fetishes, and contrarianism
>>84187484
>shrinking down and growing back to normal during a high-speed car chase
No, that sounds fucking awesome.
>>84187536
Having the final fight take place in a kid's bedroom makes way more sense for an antman movie than a high speed car chase.
Captain America: Civil War (2016)
>Early drafts centered in Captain America and Falcon searching for the Winter Soldier. The "Civil War" adaptation was only greenlit later in the development process.
>Early drafts featured Captain America's death, but the Russos believed this would cause the Avengers to come together again, and leaving Captain America alive and the team shattered and facing their choices was more dramatically interesting.
>In early drafts, Hawkeye would be present when Bucky is captured in Bucharest and transported to Berlin, during which he reaches out to Bucky due to his experience with being brainwashed.
>Early drafts featured Pepper Potts, but this was scrapped as it'd require a contract renegotiation with Gwyneth Paltrow.
>Early drafts featured Bruce Banner in a minor role, but this was scrapped as it'd conflict with his whereabouts in THOR: RAGNAROK.
>Early drafts featured an extended introduction to Ant-Man, which was scrapped as it conflicted with what was established in ANT-MAN. Furthermore, the Wasp was also present as a member of Captain America's team.
>In early drafts, Spider-Man in a larger role as the neutral viewpoint to the conflict. When negotiations with Sony initially fell through, he was replaced by Black Panther, who would originally only appear as Prince T'Challa, advocating for the Accords at behest of Wakanda. Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures later reached a deal and Spider-Man was reinserted in the narrative, although Black Panther's expanded role was maintained.
>Logan Lerman and Dylan O'Brien were Sony Pictures' top choices for the role before Marvel Studios decided to cast a young unknown.
>Tom Holland, Asa Butterfield, Charlie Rowe, Judah Lewis, Matthew Lintz and Charlie Plummer were reportedly the frontrunners to the role after numerous auditions. Butterfield was favored, but allegedly lost the role after disclosing confidential details about it. The role ultimately was between Holland and Rowe.
>>84187565
The car chase sounds more badass.
>>84179558
>>Gugu Mbatha-Raw was linked to the role of Mera in JUSTICE LEAGUE before Amber Heard was cast.
I knew we got Brown Mera in Earth 2 for a reason.
>>84187694
Just a coincidence.
>>84179248
>David S. Goyer created a concept for a modern, realistic approach on Superman
Nigga he can fly and shoot laser beams
You can't make that shit realistic
Doctor Strange (2016)
>Mark Andrews, Jonathan Levine, Dean Israelite and Nikolaj Arcel were considered to direct the movie before Scott Derrickson was hired.
>Joaquin Phoenix was heavily pursued to play Stephen Strange, and, although he was very interested in the role, he ultimately declined due to multi-picture contract required by Marvel Studios.
>Jake Gyllenhall, Colin Farrell, Ewan McGregor, Keannu Reeves, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Ethan Hawke, Justin Theroux, Oscar Isaac, Jack Huston and Tom Hardy were approached to play Strange before a formal offer was made to Benedict Cumberbatch, who initially declined due to scheduling conflicts before production was delayed to accomodate his schedule.
>Gary Oldman, Bill Nighy, Morgan Freeman and Ken Watanabe were approached to play the Ancient One before Tilda Swinton was cast.
Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol. 2 (2017)
>Matthew McConaughey was offered the role of Star-Lord's father, but declined, and Kurt Russell was cast.
Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017)
>Jonathan Levine, Ted Melfi, Jason Moore, Jared Hess and John Francis Daley & Jonathan M. Goldstein were considered to direct the movie before Jon Watts was hired. Daley and Goldstein were later tapped to write the movie.
Thor: Ragnarok (2017)
>Ruben Fleischer, Rob Letterman and Rawson Marshall Thurber were considered to direct the movie before Taika Waititi was hired, in part due to his comedic ability, which Marvel Studios felt was necessary to bring a touch of levity to an inherently dark storyline.
Black Panther (2018)
>Ava DuVernay and F. Gary Gray were approached to direct the movie, but both declined, and Ryan Coogler was ultimately hired.
>>84187694
I wonder what that means for the Atlanteans as a whole.
>>84184928
And that changes things how exactly?
>>84188555
SHIT KURT RUSSELL IS IN THE MCU NOW? FUCK YES
>>84185035
>I love Kyle.
Morrison always did write Kyle very well. His Kyle is probably my favorite.
>>84188405
>Gary Oldman, Bill Nighy, Morgan Freeman and Ken Watanabe were approached to play the Ancient One before Tilda Swinton was cast.
I'm mad now
>>84179351
On one hand, we dodged a bullet and didn't get Shit Laboeuf Jimmy. On the other hand, SnyderJimmy didn't dodge the bullet so good.
>>84186220
Badoon rights were with Fox? The fuck? When are those fuckers relevant in any FF or X-men comics?
>>84183836
Shut up musclefag
Go jerk off to mma fighters 7 inch clits
>>84179435
Affleck did not bring on Terrio
Why people keep saying this
What are thry a tag team? They live together or something? Its so dumb an idea
>>84179479
>the character is unceremoniously killed off early in the movie
I'm still mad about this you fucking hack.
All I get from these is that Nolan was the voice of reason but Hack Snyder was louder and noisier so he drowned him out and had his way with everything.
>>84182657
For you
>>84188815
It means that costume line only applies to that scene. It's okay for them to dialogue with costumes in any other scene.
>>84185674
Dragon Ball didn't even exist when this dude first appeared in 1974.
>>84179479
Nolan tried to help us here and on MoS (Nolan was against killing Zod)
And we decided to support Snyder instead, what have we done
>>84184430
This was literally a week before the movie came out. It was blatant damage control.
>>84183777
I'd say he dodged a bullet. At least he was stuck in one bad movie instead of an entire line of bad movies. His career can easily recover from the former.
>>84189950
That's a little bit of a cop out, given that quite a few of his movies almost always involve extremely serious dialogue delivered by actors in elaborate costumes.
And leather speedos.
And that one animated movie with talking owls.
>>84185634
>All films in the same genre at the same
Yeah Star Wars Prequel #900 is the same as 2001: A Space Odyssey.
>>84179435
> Matt Damon, Bradley Cooper, Denzel Washington were also potential choices before Snyder changed his plans for the character.
>>84191891
And the Flash will be?
I'm not even defending Star Wars, but you're just delusional if you think the Flash will be anything above average.
>>84191984
Denzel could pull off a great Lex, I'd rather have racebent Lex than Max Landis Lex.
>>84189907
You're 100% right
>>84188955
Second
>>84189907
>David S. Goyer created a concept for a modern, realistic approach on Superman while mapping out the plot of THE DARK KNIGHT RISES with Christopher Nolan, who then advocated in his favor with WB, leading to Goyer being selected as the writer.
>Advocated for Goyer
>Voice of reason
Yeah, no.
>>84189907
Snyder probably challenged him to a push up contest as well.
>>84192037
This. Denzel would be a great Lex.
>>84192131
He was doing Goyer a favor.
>>84179248
>Although Goyer is the only credited writer, Snyder's collaborator Kurt Johnstad reportedly heavily doctored the script based on Snyder's notes.
>H-he's just the director, guys. Don't blame him for story choices. B-blame the writer.
>>84179351
>Bruce Greenwood, Dennis Quaid, Michael Biehn and Kurt Russell were considered for Jonathan Kent before Kevin Costner was cast.
All of these would have been wonderful. None could have done anything about the tornado though.
>>84179435
>which he was not satisfied with, requiring the movie to be delayed from summer 2015 to early 2016 to accomodate the rewrites.
Anyone else remember the "leg injury"?
>>84179435
>Joaquin Phoenix was heavily pursued to play Lex Luthor, but declined. Matt Damon, Bradley Cooper, Denzel Washington and Bryan Cranston were also potential choices before Snyder changed his plans for the character.
All would have been better.
>>84186455
>In early drafts, the Battle of Sokovia would culminate with the Ultron drones combining to form a skyscrapper-sized Ultron that'd fight all the Avengers at once.
That would of been far better.
>>84182086
He could have just fucking stopped it with one hand.
It doesn't matter if he knows the building is empy, that's still a lot of damage that will have long term repurcussions.
>>84186220
I'm glad Marvel got Daredevil back, but I would love Silver Surfer in the MCU.
Anyone think they're going to keep pushing for Silver Surfer in the future?
>>84184084
Yeah, it's hilarious how restructuring the movie to be more linear did the opposite of what they wanted to do. It feels so disjointed, scene after scene with barely any connective tissue and coherence.
>>84179248
I regained faith int he DCEU after seeing the ultimate cut of BvS. Don't buy it so they learn from their mistakes but definitely give it a watch if you liked BvS even a little bit because it surprisingly improves the structure of the movie. It's still too dour but at least the characters actually feel like characters now.
>>84194846
>the characters actually feel like characters now.
>Superman is still bland and mopey
>Batman is still unsympathetic and murderous
>Luthor is still Jesse Eisenberg
no
>>84179514
Ugh fucking shit, CCH Pounder IS THE FUCKING WALL! She was brilliant in the voice role and she would be the perfect for the live action adaption. What the fuck was DC thinking not at least trying to cast her?
>>84183892
And Cavill was not Snyder first option, mind you
>>84185883
>>84185940
>>84185978
>Louis Leterrier has itnerest in directing Ironman, Captain America and Avengers yet Marvel denied him the chance
Poor man
>>84187596
>In early drafts, Hawkeye would be present when Bucky is captured in Bucharest and transported to Berlin, during which he reaches out to Bucky due to his experience with being brainwashed.
I like this one. Oh well.
>>84191833
Yeah, and that makes me extremely curious as to why his proposed scene didn't work with the costumes on. He said that he even filmed it, so I hope it will one day be released.
>>84186415
I don't think they can do that.
The whole appeal of a series like Justice League Dark is it's a darker more supernatural/horror take in comparison to the main series. It stands out BECAUSE of that context.
But thanks to Snyder the context in general is already there. There's no contrast anymore. Sure, it'll stand out in comparison to Marvel, but not to other DC movies, and thus people are going to think "I already saw the last X number of DC movies and they're all this. Why bother with JLD?"
>>84179248
>Nolan initially objected to the idea of killing Zod, but Snyder and Goyer ultimately persuaded him.
>Christopher Nolan objected to Superman's death, but Snyder ultimately persuaded him that it was necessary to the development of the DCEU
>>84185583
And no one is talking about it. Which is hella weird with Asian actors and such finally calling out the lack of Asian roles and jobs in Hollywood.
But who knows now that the movie is gonna be shooting soon.
>>84186415
>>84197169
Besides, a JLD movie is in the works anyway. It might be in development hell now, but we know that it's been in the pipeline before as a distinct project from JL.
>>84197698
I think Nolan just didn't care enough to fight Snyder on either
>>84189442
What are you talking about? Every other character Shia Laboeuf has played has been Jimmy Olsen. That would be the very first time Shia was the best person for the role.
Are you seriously telling me you can't imagine Shia Laboeuf as a giant turtle?
>>84179514
Fuck I would have been so down for Jason Statham as Deadshot
>>84200936
Maybe Jason Statham can be Richard Dragon. Or even David Cain.
>>84185235
Attention whoring. Just ignore him
>>84184675
Nolan wanted the entire movie focused on Krypton and Zod. He thought of the movie as a first contact type of story and not a super-hero or Superman story.
>>84179248
so good, so sad
>>84179435
>Emily Ratajkowski auditioned for the role of Wonder Woman
DODGED A BULLET
