How is it that Daffy's character has adapted so much better to modern times than Bugs?
Childhood is when you idolize Bugs, Adulthood is when you realize that Daffy makes more sense.
>>84127989
Bugs the spot light was given to him, and Daffy had to earn his.
dont fuck with the duck
>>84128414
/thread
Now that I think about it, I think Daffy is just a more flexible character than Bugs. He can play both the loon and the straight man better than Bugs.
>>84129689
More or less what happened with Superman and Batman.
>>84127989
Anger and cynicism never go out of style.
>>84127989
Society usually alternates between two paradigms:
>everything is super, let's listen to authorities and endeavor to all be classy, and perhaps make fun of those below us abit
>things are shit, the authorities need to be knocked down a peg, let's have a wisecrackin' low-class underdog show them a thing or two
currently we're in a warped version of the latter, where the underdog has all the power, so most people are kind of sick of them 'stickin' it to the man' when that amounts to kickin' a guy while he's down. They've taken down the man, but things haven't improved, so there's not much you can really do anymore with that. That's why the simpsons can't be funny the way it used to. you can't be clever and witty and snarky by attacking your boss, your government, or religion, but you can't make fun of those below you either because it's not allowed. there's not much to do anymore.. a wisecrack just makes you sound like an asshole.
>>84129825
>everything is super, let's listen to authorities and endeavor to all be classy, and perhaps make fun of those below us abit
1950s, 1980s
>things are shit, the authorities need to be knocked down a peg, let's have a wisecrackin' low-class underdog show them a thing or two
1970s, 1990s
>>84128286
>Childhood is when you want to be Bugs, Adulthood is when you realize that you are Daffy.
Fixed it for you.
Its basically the same thing that happened in Spongebob, you like Spongebob but as you grow older you identify more with Squidward
>>84130015
thought that went without saying, but well identified.
>>84130015
Since when were things shit in the 90s?
>>84128591
https://youtu.be/PAn0Oq5P3eQ
From the 1950s through the 1990s, the easiest Bugs cartoons to see were not the later ones owned by Warner, which only played on SatAM or on Nick, a channel that not everyone got.
They were the earlier ones owned by Turner—the color Bugs cartoons made from 1939 to 1948, when Bugs was a more fallible, more active, less perfect and snide character.
Huge numbers of morning and afternoon slots in local syndication played these cartoons.
In the late 1990s Warner bought Turner and reacquired the shorts, then
-> ghettoized everything on CN only
-> repackaged the CN content to minimize the presence of the formerly Turner-owned shorts
The result is that by virtue of Warner taking the more nuanced, less perfect Bugs out of the public eye, all anyone ever grows up on anymore is the boring, snooty, later Bugs who, while funny, is simply a less interesting character.
Of course Daffy overshadows him, and it's Warners' own fault—they've highlighted a more boring version of Bugs, then reaped the resulting slide in popularity.
Side point: I've only seen a few, but it's clear that in the comics made through the 1980s, Bugs was interpreted as a more fallible character, more like his 1940s cartoon self.
From the 1990s, when DC took over, it looks like we again got the boring, snooty, less interesting "modern" bugs that Warner seems to insist on.
>>84130330
Too accurate
>>84131682
>comics
What can you recommend as far as comics about these characters go?
>>84131480
They were if you were a minority, white boi
>>84130528
I always identified with Squidward. What a sad existence.
>>84131480
The Dot Com Bubble was all in 97-00. There was a protracted recession for the first half of the decade and during Clinton's first term people had a very low opinion of the government and it was cool to believe in /x/ shit.
>>84132069
>>84131682
economically they were alright, but people felt really stifled by society. there was a lot of resurgence of hippie styles, trying to shake off the church ladies and stuffy uptight businessmen.. and yet you looked at TV and you saw all the pretty decent 80s hairstyles suddenly getting cut short in the mid 90s and it felt bad, man. some of us were trying to keep things going, yknow? plus popular music was thoroughly terrible for the first time in history, and beginning to fracture, so there was a lot of 'bring that old 70s rock n' roll back' attitudes. I think a lot of us were Homer Simpson in the 90s.
but really what I was thinking of, and what I hoped people picked up on, was the 30s. the old cartoon age, the stooge age.. when you could expect your protagonist to be a lovable homeless chappy with no cash but lots of street smarts and attitude.
>>84131880
Best WB comics:
Anything Bugs from about 1943-1948 and 1953-1958.
Anything Daffy (including Elmer stories with Daffy) from about 1955-1965. Tweety is also good in this period but rather restrictive by nature.
The Porky comics aren't as good... they tend to play Porky as a poor man's Mickey in weak tea adventure situations, with Bugs or Sylvester almost in the Goofy role.
Everyone seems to speak highly of the Mary Jane and Sniffles and "Beep Beep the Road Runner" comics, but while they were often written/drawn by the cartoon team, they feel nothing like the cartoons.
The basic comic book called Looney Tunes is a good place to start, and has a mix of the good and the not so good.
>>84132408
>plus popular music was thoroughly terrible for the first time in history
Wha...you think 90s music was worse than a guy in a clown costume playing shredder guitar and yelling in falsetto how he's a party god and hail Satan.
>>84132544
Huh?
Because Bugs is supposed to be perfect while Daffy isn't.
Bugs is who we all want to be, Daffy is who we all really are.
how do we feel about
wabbit
and the show before it that had its art style, loony toons? the sitcomish reboot where bugs and daffy were roommates. i thought the latter actually had some good moments and wabbit seems acceptable
>>84127989
because
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60-etRy0dg8
Humor these days is more self-deprecating. Look at Louis CK. He's one of the most famous comedians around right now, and his humor is all about how shitty his life is.
Bugs is too over-confident. That's not what people are finding funny these days.
>ITT: People only recognize Bugs and Daffy as overplayed Chuck Jones tropes.
Ok.
>"Bugs Bunny, the linchpin of the Looney Tunes, has been called everything from 'classic' to 'perennial' to 'an American institution' to 'one of our national heroes'"
>then Space Jam happened
>>84135093
>Bugs is too over-confident. That's not what people are finding funny these days.
Yet people love Batman and Iron Man
>>84135983
That only further cemented his status as an American hero
>>84136000
Yeah everybody thinks Batman's really funny. Iron Man is self-deprecating. Pay attention.
>>84134896
I never liked bugs as much as daffy. People wanting to be bugs is what the cartoon pushed and I guess people ate it
>>84128286
Actual adulthood is when you sympathize with Elmer Fudd wanting to shoot both of them.
>>84135983
>implying that's a bad thing
Everyone look at this loser. I bet he never even triedThe secret stuff
>>84132544
I think he's refering to the shit pop and pop-rock at the time with the New Kids from the Block and Simply Red and all that bollocks
The nineties were also the era where we saw the rise of indie and alternative rock spearheaded by Nirvana and Oasis, electronic music and the second age of hip hop
Pop Music was shit in the nineties tho
>>84135050
I dunno, I thought The Looney Tunes Show did a pretty great modern Bugs.
>>84127989
Because Daffy has always been best toon.
Bugs a shit.
>>84128286
I never idolized Bugs desu, I always thought he was a smug asshole
>>84131480
>yugoslavian separation
>the gulf war
>rwanda genocide
those are just high profile things
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_1990%E2%80%932002
>>84128414
Typical Jones narrative.
Daffy debuted in 1937 and was an instant hit. Bugs developed gradually. At first he was just another version of Daffy, a wacky critter who gets the best of the hunter. He eventually refined into the cocksure wiseacre we know starting around 1940 in 'A Wild Hare'. It wasn't until 1951 that he was paired with Daffy and became the smug Bugs who is predestined triumph everytime.
>>84129689
It's because todays writers always rely on the late 50s Chuck Jones personas. Daffy as the jealous greedy coward who always fails, Bugs as the reserved, smug, genius who always wins. It's actually a very limited formula and nobody can come up with anything for these characters that Jones and the other directors didn't do already.
>>84137161
Jones' boner for Bugs is why he became the face of everything desu. Nigger had shit taste in cartoon husbandos.
>>84128591
Fuck with the duck.
Daffy is basically George Costanza, while Bugs has regressed to Jerry Seinfeld levels of boring straight man nowadays. Also the cartoon duck characters are usually superior to the mascot characters.
>>84135727
Clampett's cartoons starring Bugs (cocksure, impish, self aware) and Daffy (agent of chaos) are the cartoons that made them stars during WWII and gave Warner Bros animation an identity to contrast with Disney.
Jones versions of the characters are by contrast much more limited and less active and less surprising. You know what's going to happen to them in every cartoon. Daffy will get his comeuppance and Bugs will wiggle his eyebrows at the camera in triumph.
Why did Jones retcon Daffy into Donald?
>>84137210
So it's that kind of thread, eh?
I liked both in Looney Tunes Show. It's a great cartoon, actually.
>>84137210
>>84137337
No homo, right?
>>84137307
because he's a hack
I hate Bugs/Chad, I am Daffy.
>>84137376
There is nothing homo about fucking a duck.
>>84137382
>I am Daffy
Literally?
>>84130015
The levels of Trust the American public had lowered during the 60's after the Kennedy Assassination, Vietnam and Watergate.
God damn it, I'm in the middle of multiple series right now, but now I really want to watch all of Duck Dodgers.
>>84128591
>mfw original Daffy would be an absolute demon in the sack
>>84137186
>It's because todays writers always rely on the late 50s Chuck Jones personas.
More like Warner Consumer Products has a rulebook that won't LET us use any OTHER personas. Way to blame us.
I'm not sure there's anything worse than a character that wins all the time, I used to always root for Daffy as a kid even if I knew Bugs would come out on top. Same goes for Baboon in I Am Weasel, I even preferred Squidward to SpongeBob by far in that Employee of the Month episode because SpongeBob was such a dick about being the best employee at a fast food restaurant.
>>84137286
Jones was great when he had a competent, talented crew working under him, but when he did the writing and the animation all by himself, his cartoons were fucking atrocious.
>>84135093
>his humor is all about how shitty his life is.
I thought it was about little white dicks. Did /tv/ lie to me?
>>84138993
Eg. One Overrated Evening, a cartoon that was not funny in the 1950s and it's not funny now but dumb Hollywood people and Bohemians jerk off to it.
>>84138773
McKimson's Bugs was an even bigger asshole than Jones'..
>>84138792
How do you feel about Tom and Jerry, anon?
>>84139082
Not him, but...
Scar'd me. Especially when they chopped Tom's head off. This is a Children's cartoon. CARTOON.
>>84139137
> This is a Children's cartoon.
No. It used to be a theatrical feature for adults just like Looney Tunes.
>>84139082
I'm the guy you responded to, I hated that fuck Jerry and that dog. Tom literally did nothing wrong and gets outright killed in a multitude of episodes for trying to do what his owner told him to.
>>84139152
Oh. I guess I was supposed to get fuck all as a youngin' then. I GUESS I WAS THE WRONG ONE TO QUESTION EVERYONE, AS USUAL.
>>84132432
My mom world at Warner Bros and I used to read back issues and Bugs was my favorite. Have they ever been collected?
>>84138792
ALSO WHY DIDN'T YOU GUYS JUST LET THE DAMN RABBIT HAVE SOME TRIX FOR GOD'S SAKE.
>>84128286
Screw you man. Daffy was always best.
I always knew.
>>84137596
>Duck Dodgers.
That cartoon was the shit. That opening theme had me constantly singing.The Queen was/is hot as fuck with her fine pitch-black ass.
>>84127989
Outside of Wabbit, when was Bugs ever really given his own thing? At least Daffy had several shows based on him, but Bugs was always stuck in the classics. I honestly don't think it's that hard to adapt Bugs, WB just needs better talent. If Mickey can do it, then dammit so can Bugs.
Does anyone remember that cartoon network special from like 15 years ago called like Bugs vs Daffy? And Daffy actually killed Bugs? I swear I remember this.
>>84132544
>90s music was shit.
No it was not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjwhX0WqxXQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ia71rCO55E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUrIITRRePQ&list=PL96C8406ABC8CBA52
>>84131682
This is the correct answer.
>>84139429
>Bugs ever really given his own thing?
No, not really.
>>84139429
>when was Bugs ever really given his own thing?
The same amount of shows Mickey had in Disney Afternoon
>>84134901
The Looney Toons Show was surprisingly on point. It's the freshest thing that has been done with the characters to breathe life back into them. Wabbit is just generic garbage that strives for nothing but mediocrity.
>>84137210
It's a little disturbing how plausible this scenario is.
WB is too gay.
>It's an everyone shits on Chuck Jones thread.
>>84142828
>facts offend me
>>84127989
Because:
>Daffy: who we are
>Bugs: who we wish to be
Daffy is flawed but can over come them or because of them/despite them he can still win at times.
Bugs has no character flaws really, is content with his life, and will always win.
Daffy is the flawed anti-hero.
Bugs is the smug asshole that can't lose.
Gee, I wonder which one is actually the better character.
>>84136000
>>84136028
Deadpool.
>>84139561
>>84142828
I actually like chuck jones' stuff as much as the others
The roadrunner cartoons were fantastic
but I will say his Tom and Jerry is ripe garbage and I can never figure out why everyone creams themselves over "What's Opera, Doc?"
>>84142828
It's just that there is some weird ass dogma, that Chuck Jones was the greatest WB director so everybody must follow his strict and limited formulas. It's also caused by how cartoon directors are no longer valued and there are people writing the stories instead of drawing them.
>Why do people prefer a wacky and chaotic character over cartoon's oldest Mary sue
Gee, a real mystery OP
>>84144059
>Bugs bunny never gets bested
What is Falling Hare?
Pairing them up was a mistake
>>84127989
I think it's because anger will never stop being entertaining, but sarcasm and smugness is more offensive to people
>>84130330
>>84136301
>>84136943
>>84139283
All these people, missing the reference?
>>84134896
I never liked Bugs. He's a douchebag.
>>84144651
Yes, yes, Adolf Hitler meme. Very good, anon. Very impressive.
However!
>>84139420
DUCK DOOOOOOODGERS OF THE 24TH
AND ONE HALF CENTURYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
>>84136972
I remember a car bomb exploded in front of my school in 1992.
Fucking terrorists.
>>84137286
I really liked the off the walls version of Daffy. I know with Bugs they always tried to make it clear that the antagonist pushed him too far, but I got tired of the formula of the later stuff. I still like his musical and/or cross dressing gags, though.
>>84139137
Pfft. Pansy. My childhood cartoons were full of mental patients trying to kill people only to be stopped by a socially-stunted man in a bat costume.
Duck Dodgers Daffy is best Daffy.
>>84127989
His character didn't adapt. They just changed it. Ever since Duck Dodgers, they cranked up his idiocy but also his ability to be genuinely charming at times while keeping most of the rest the same. So he became an underdog that people can actually root for because he no longer lacks any redeeming qualities and is actually capable of winning sometimes. If they had just kept his personality from the 50's and 60's, he wouldn't be any more popular than he was back then. Not that he was ever unpopular to begin with, but he wouldn't have become the undisputed star of the show. Bugs changed to fit the times too. He's less infallible in The Looney Tunes Show and Wabbit, so he's a lot more relatable. But people will always root for the underdog.
>>84130330
Man i WISH i could steal a whole toilet from the office
>>84142828
I liked Jones' shorts, but really disliked what he did with Daffy. Not to mention I disliked his Tom & Jerry shorts, though not as much the Gene Deitch ones.
Jones is also responsible for creating Marvin, who is one of my favorite Looney Tunes.
>>84146782
Hello little boy, I am 27 years old.
>>84130330
what if i'm neither?
>>84139429
>>84140800
>>84140835
I think that's the problem here. It's like how DC treats Superman and Batman; they say that one's their mascot, their heart and soul, but in truth they show extreme favoritism towards the other. Bugs just needs more of a push, really. Wabbit was a step in the right direction, but they also took two steps back in doing so.
Because Bugs is constantly being tonned down throughout the years, from having to ask for Michael Jordan to fight aliens he could easily troll in the old cartoons and a beta on Looney Tunes Show.
>>84131480
>le 90s Kidz XD
t. reddit
>>84138773
Sorry, didn't realise it was corporate mandate.
Is there a reason they think those are the only palatable versions of Bugs and Daffy?
>>84138993
Chuck Jones personal style devolved hideously in his later years. Coudn't draw his own characters for shit.
>>84146773
I hear that. I didn't mind the setup that sometimes a bully would spur Bugs to action but once it became a rule, it became boring.
>>84149248
Me too but his shorts are based on forumla's and there's no way for todays writers to make that funny again or do it better than Chuck himself did it.
>>84142828
I can't hate the man for giving the world the Dover Boys. I CAN hate him for how he went from "talented genius" to "pretentious hack" in his later years.
>>84128591
Can somebody make the background white and just have daffy with the saw
Please
>>84127989
ENNNGGGGHHHH WHATS UP COCK!?
>>84156463
I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT'S UP YOU FUCKING BUNNY PIECE OF SHIT
>>84156463
more like, What's up Croc
>>84132432
Story time? I've read plenty disney comics but rarely any WB comics.
>>84139561
my absolute nigga. obviously i didnt mean that.
>>84147049
i like the original fucking loony daffy best.
>>84142828
>he preferred Bugs
Chuck Jones deserves to get shat on senpai, he's a turbopleb.
>>84146835
duck dogers was rad af
>>84144404
>Pairing them up was a mistake
But they make a good pair.
>>84128286
words of wisdom
>>84128414
Bugs bunny is too white so they made him into a insufferable character.
>>84136788
Nostalged. Sadly enough it's all garbage now anyway.
Why is the janitor deleting Loud House threads when there's much bigger problems? Have you looked at /int/ right now? It's in need of a little cleanup.
Bugs was a dick.
>>84139283
Agreed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n7UgwWGUeQ
>>84152150
>Wabbit was a step in the right direction
Not really. It was a horrible mistake.
>>84161349
Shut the fuck up. Shitty mods and janitors already shit on /int/, we don't want any more of them. Also, why would Loud house threads be deleted?
>>84127989
Cuz nobody cares for cool calm and collected nowadays. In the fifties everybody thought they were the cool guy who always wins. People still think that way, but they are also cynical and angry and Daffy better fits those roles.
>>84152150
If you mean a cartoon focusing on Bugs I agree. But Wabbit is a god awful mess. I mean they had an episode with a Russian spy. How did the writer of a kids show think this was still relevant, or funny? Rocky and Bullwinkle ended when the Cold War did.
>>84162510
Russians might not be a real direct threat anymore but they are still evil and still spying on americans. Most of the spying is done by hackers these days though
>>84162536
Would have been more relevant with a Chinese spy, but people would have somehow found a way to call it racist.
>>84127989
Daffy is a self-absorbed greedy coward... like people today.
>>84162593
Are you implying that people were a lot better back then? Because that's just stupid.
>>84127989
People love sociopaths
