Remember this?
>>84119943
I don't. What exactly happened?
>>84119943
Has she always been able to create constructs?
I'm not super familiar with the 4, but that seems like it's OP if she's basically just a telekinetic
>>84119965
I'll give you a hint, it involves Reed's nads.
>>84119943
That was the final bloody stupid issue after it was cancelled and a new writer was told to wrap up all the storylines in one issue, right?
I'd love to know how it was really supposed to have ended
>>84120070
It doesn't matter, nearly everyone from that universe is perma-dead.
>>84119943
I miss that universe.
ok
What happened here?
>>84119997
hahahahauhhuha what that can't be true
really
is comics really so bad.
>>84120324
I miss that universe, but by the time it reached this point it was too far gone. Secret Wars was a mercy kill
>>84119965
Franklin Richards needed to be born for reasons but Reed had gone evil.
So Sue needs to get pregnant with Jesus Baby in a different way
>>84119943
Wasn't Ultimate Reed organless?
Like, he was homogenous manshaped blob?
What good does carving into his stretchy junk do?
I don't get it, is she castrating him?
>>84119970
For years, yeah.
They don't really shy away from her being the most powerful member of the team.
>>84120559
But how is she going to find the right sperm-cell? you cant just pick a random one.
That is not how baby's work
>>84121092
>That is not how baby's work
>baby's
And that's not how plurals work.
>>84119970
Yeah, Sue is the Invisible Lantern. I've seen her make elaborate slides, platofrms that she rides and wills across the sky, tendrils, giant bubbles, claws, etc
>>84120324
I miss what it was before 2010.
>>84119970
She can make forcefields, and a construct is basically a forcefield in a certain shape.
>>84119943
Why doesn't he just stretch out of the binds? Alternatively, stretch his neck and headbutt her face?
>>84120559
Why not just give him a hand-y?
>>84120559
>needed to be born for reasons
Weren't the reasons to save the Ultimate Universe from the Incursions?
Looks like Sue chopped open Reed's balls for nothing.
>>84121659
Less fun for Sue
it's ultimates so it doesn't count
>>84119997
>>84120431
>>84120466
>>84120559
>>84120581
>>84120651
>>84121092
>>84121784
Ultimate Reed didn't get castrated, and he eventually impregnated Sue with Ben's sperm.
>>84121190
I always thought she could just do bubbles and plates because she doesn't have enough control over the constructs to make them into more complex shapes.
>>84121842
>Sue with Ben's sperm.
Please explain
>>84121842
ultimate was always weird, huh
>>84121886
When a man and a woman love each other very much the woman goes behind the man's back and impregnate herself with the man's sperm while the man thinks that another man impregnated his wife only for the wife to reveal that the child is his after it is born
>>84121886
It was the last best-seller in the DVD era.
>>84121937
Ah, a tale as old as time.
>>>84121886
Ultimate Sue dumped Ultimate Reed
Ultimate Ben professes love to Ultimate Sue
Ultimate Sue proposes to Ultimate Ben soon afterwards
Several storylines involving yet another evil future version of Ultimate Sue later they learn that Ultimate Franklin Richards needs to be born to save their universe
Ultimate Sue is ready to rape and/or harvest Ultimate Reed's sperm to accomplish this
She chooses another way
Reed offers to impregnate her with Ben's sperm
Ben does no know this until the baby is born
The baby is a girl
She has Ben's Wonder Man powers
Their universe dies
>>84122063
So Sue destroyed 1610. Wow
>>84120559
If she just needed to get pregnant and had him restrained enough to cut his balls off why didn't she just rape him?
No seriously, unless she also needed to be sure he wouldn't have any more Reed Jrs why did she have to castrate him and then use artificial insemination?
>>84121876
It has more to do with her not needing to use lethal force.
>>84122063
Lookin' a little Moon over June there, Sue.
>>84122063
And nothing of value was lost.
Remember this?
>>84122093
Ultimate Sue may have been one of the worst characters ever made by Marvel
>>84122304
Exhibit A
>>84122304
She was great up until Ultimatum. I can't defend her after that.
>>84122302
God Sue deserves so much better than Reed.
Shes so damn faithful.
>>84122339
>I'm dumping you because you saved the world instead of dying with me
She just wanted to fuck around
>>84122345
It doesn't take a lot to say no to being raped by a Gorilla. Namor on the other hand... That takes a strength of character similar to that of the Hulk. If I was Sue, I'd be nailed against Namors mantlepiece.
>>84122412
EVERYONE hits on her man, and if she wanted to could have been fucked by like every guy in every universe
>>84121784
Well in the end, Sue and the Ultimate Universe died while Reed was one of the only people to make it outta the universe intact.
So Reed wins.
>>84122533
>while Reed was one of the only people to make it outta the universe intact.
Then he was killed
>>84122543
Nope, he's the main antagonist of New Avengers. He comes in slices.
>>84122412
Namor looks a fucking alien that's also somehow Asian, you've got weird taste, tripfag.
>>84122543
He got better
>>84122063
>"hey your universe is going to die unless you and reed have a baby boy named Franklin"
>"what if I have a baby girl with Ben"
>universe dies
>Reed escapes to 616
The most tragic part is that Sue doesn't even exist in any afterlife so her failures can't torment her for eternity.
>>84122605
That's not how you say supreme taste
>>84122063
>Women in charge of saving the universe
>>84120559
>>84120581
>>84120651
>>84121092
>>84121659
>>84121784
>>84121842
>>84122108
Blah, not to defend this shitty universe, but that's not what was happening, if I recall correctly. Reed in that universe was some kind of...fuck I forget, bag of genetic material that basically built his rubber body around itself. His skin, balls, etc didn't really have any human genetic material. To get pregnant Sue needed to get to the only bit of actual genetic material in him.
>>84122638
Did someone say supreme?
>>84122713
DELETE THIS
>>84120070
I don't know but there was a spread with all of the adventures they would have had, like the new nova, Van Damme fighting Doom 2099, etc. I thought it was a series with a lot of potential
Speaking of potential, bringing doom back in the ultimate universe ended up being a last fart before secret wars killed him.
>>84122620
he is more of a cockroach than miles and peter
too bad he is so shitty in new avengers
>>84122702
Even single-cell organisms have organelles.
>>84119943
His arms and legs are free. He could at least try to knock a bitch out. Probably wouldn't work but hey
Remember this?
>>84122620
but then he went insane. To the point where he made DOOM look like a sane and rational individual.
>>84123820
This makes me sick on multiple levels
Remember Galactapus?
>>84123835
Ultimates can do that to someone. You'll get used to it.
>>84122713
namor was a bastard always has been. He used to be a antihero but recently he went darker even to anti-villian status,he deserved his fade.
>>84123820
The Evil Reed oscillates between based and shit.
He was based then, then became shit now. We're due for another based sequence.
>>84123820
ult. Reed and ult. Doom have some of the greatest thing s to come out of ultimate marvel along with ultimate spiderman.
to bad marvel destroyed it all
>>84122304
Ultimate Sue is literally the reason Reed became Maker. Not only did her dumping him push him away from the his family that was the FF but her future self is the one who told him to do all the terrible things he did. All the while Sue, despite being evil every future of the Ultimate Universe we've seen where she was there, continues giving Reed shit.
>>84119943
Wait. Is that the Maker? That looks a lot like 616 Reed, the Maker is supposed to he eternally young. This dude has white sideburns!
>>84124385
Didn't she also frame him for killing his family?
>>84124591
Yea...never question bad art where the artist didn't even care to draw the character right. It's kinda a Marvel thing
>>84124672
No he still did that, she just pushed him into doing it
>>84119943
Oh god why was it so bad!?
Sue is a sudden slut for no reason!
Reed becomes the best villain since classic Dr. Doom, just to be beaten by her at the last minute in the must bullshit writing ever!
Sue is a slut but suddenly gives up her slutty ways when Ben is suddenly good looking again, oh but thats because SHE ALWAYS LOVED HIM, OK SURE WHY NOT?!!!!
And randomly Ben is turned into Wonderman...
God it hurts, its so bad it hurts.
>>84124808
>Reading Ultimate comics
You brought this on yourself.
>>84122093
>>84122304
Her whole reason for breaking up with Reed was because he went out to save the world rather than stick right next to her and try to help only her.
You can see really well where even the artist at the time thought this was the most bullshit writing ever.
>>84122339
>>84122226
Ok got the artwork for that run was so bad. I honestly think it was the worst art marvel paid for until the current year(cue air horns) with Squirrel Girl and Hellcat.
>>84124591
That is supposed to be U Reed, which tells you all you need to know about New Ultimates. It was a fitting accompaniment to Humphrie's Ultimates.
>>84123820
That run was honestly pretty fun. The idea of him, Hulk, and Quicksilver taking over the world? The biggest brain, the strongest there is, and the fastest man in the world was a pretty cool idea.
I especially loved how not only did they succeed shockingly fast, but Reed really did make the world a better place.
Oh and while its pretty creepy, the whole final use of his powers going to just this side of Plastic Man was pretty badass. I mean he had himself split up into a dozen versions of himself, all running on spread out brain tissue. Crazy, but badass.
>>84122752Hello?
>>84122345
The ultimate happiness of any man is having a wife as loyal and hot as Sue.
>>84124714
>You son of a bitch!
>I just pushed back a tidal wave and was in a coma, you should have saved me, not have Ben do with the mole man.
Look babe, I know that seemed bad, but that tidal wave was just the tip of the iceberg, the entire world went to shit. I had you stabilized, I needed to go save the world! If I hadn't of headed out we might all be dead right now!
>No fuck you! I'm sick of your selfish bullshit Reed, you don't love me, you just abandoned me.
>I think its time I take after Jonny and see what its like to hook up with a few dozen random guys!
....
>>84122339
Cunt, you can go fuck yourself.
>>84124863
I read it years ago. I was 14 years old and the first comics I ever bought were the first two TPBs of Ult FF, and the HC Vol 1 of Ult Spider-man.
They had only recently come out. I was a giant fan of both runs up till Ultimatum.
I also tried to read Ult X-men, but goddamn, fuck that shit.
>>84125036
It was such a great run till the end. That little Sue Ex Machina at the end was the most bullshit thing I'd ever written.
I know he got to leave to write Avengers, but goddamnit he couldn't finish the last issue or two?
>>84125200
>I'd
Oh god I think I just channeled Humphries... I feel sick inside.
>>84125054
Fialkov did a not unreasonably job of salvaging Ultimates from Humphries abortion.
>>84125226
Yeah that part was pretty badass. Loved the giant Ultron/herbies making the world a better place.
>>84122756
>I thought it was a series with a lot of potential
It really was. The first few issues were amazing, then there was that turd of a final issue and then the universe died.
Did we ever find out if it was poor sales or the feud with Fox that killed it so quickly?
>>84124591
I think he was going through a phase of trying not to be creepy and weird in the hopes that this would get Sue back and make people like him again
>>84124912
Ultimatum was an utter shitstorm. It's what killed the Ultimate Universe, it just tooks years and years to die
>>84125354
Probably more the sales than anything. The Fantastic Four were still the main characters in Secret Wars, the cutoff happened after that.
It wouldn't make any sense to cut Ultimates because of the movie rights, and then still push Reed/Doom hard in Secret Wars immediately afterwards.
>>84119943
Damn Sue, just tug on his dick for a bit.
>>84119943
maaan, he looks like hank hill in this page, and it got me reading all the dialogue in that voice.
>>84125423
No it was dead after that. Marvel just kinda propped up its corpse and paraded it around for years after allowing us to watch as it rotted away before getting bored and throwing it at 616
>>84125762
U Universe didn't really die until Peter did.
>>84125916
This.
Even though the general quality took a nosedive post-Ultimatum, there were still some really good bits all the way up to Death of Spider-Man (which was itself insanely good). When Peter died, 1610 stopped being fun.
>>84125981
I dunno, fun bits did continue. Miles took ages to get going, but once the comic stopped being about him and started being about the team that would eventually become the New Ultimates it was really good.
Of course then New Ultimates got their own book which was a massive turd
>>84119943
those bindings are pointless. his hands are still free.
What issues of New Avengers is Maker in? Is the series any good?
>>84126218
Most issues, starting with #1. He's the overarching antagonist. He usually only shows up to go "ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU" though.
Can someone explain to me what happened in the new Secret Wars to fuck up the universes so much?
All I know is that the multiverse died, DOOM was awesome and 616 Reed tried to fuck everything up.
Also, I know it killed all alternate universes. So how do they explain the MCU still existing?
>>84126249
something something blame Dr. Manhattan
because why not, right?
>>84126310
No that's the DC revival thing, isn't it?
>>84126310
Kek.
>>84126249
>>84126344
serious answer:
multiverse dying,
doom puts the pieces back together into one world where everyone thinks doom is god
people find out, reed confronts him
reed and franklin fuck off into somewhere to rebuild all the universes one by one EXCEPT ULTIMATE.
>>84126344
b e c a u s e w h y n o t
>>84126249
Everything died. Doom used the powers of the Beyonders to become God and save what little he could, which amounted to a piece of ~100 alternate Earths which was just enough to make one planet.
Then Reed comes in, gets the power of the Beyonders from Doom, becomes God, and recreates the multiverse as best he can using those powers.
The MCU died just like every other universe. Then Reed recreated it after Secret Wars.
>>84126374
>What about 1610, Dad?
>The one where Sue left me? Fuck it
>>84126374
>EXCEPT ULTIMATE
They're doing them one by one. Presumably they'll get to the Ultimate Universe eventually but I imagine it's low on the priority list.
Also, all the universes are "imagined by Franklin." Meaning that any universe that Franklin is unable to imagine can't be made. The Ultimate Universe is likely literally to edgy for Franklin to imagine and thus he can't recreate it yet. Once Franklin becomes a teenager and goes through his angsty phase, I'm sure he'll get to Ultimate.
>>84126385
>>84126374
Oh.
So it was another one of those "Make world-shattering changes to the entire canon to sell comics, but then completely back off from it so that we can continue selling our shitty monthlies" changes? Like Nazi Cap and World War Hulk?
Fuck, even Blackest Night had the decency to follow through on it's shit.
>>84126457
>then completely back off from it so that we can continue selling our shitty monthlies" changes
Yes.
They went back to their normal monthlies before the event even ended.
>>84126457
Well there was 3-5 years of set-up, and the whole "multiverse was destroyed" thing resulted in every book getting cancelled and a 5 month period where the only books being published were set on Battleworld and weren't 616. Unfortunately, the main event comic itself got hit with a bunch of delays because Esad Ribic is an extremely slow artist, so the last couple issues didn't come out until after they had started publishing their post-SW comics.
Still, it was by far the most ambitious event comic they've ever done.
>>84126457
Ultimate Universe, along with many others are still gone with a shitton of refugees from other universes now on 616 including:
>Blur from New Universe
>Warrior Woman from Squadron Sinister
>Power Princess from Squadron Supreme
>Nighthawk from Supreme Power
>The Maker, Miles Morales, Ultimate Mjolnir (which 616 Thor will be using), Bombshell, and Miles' supporting cast
>Old Man Logan
>Red Wolf
I'm sure there's some I'm forgetting.
Also Reed fixed Doom's face, Reed, Sue, Franklin, Valeria and the Future Foundation are now MIA as they help Reed with being God, Adam Warlock is the new Living Tribunal (since the last Living Tribunal died during the multiversal collapse), Weirdworld is now connected to 616 Earth, and a variety of other small things.
>>84126457
Were you under the impression that they were going to just... stop publishing comics?
>>84126618
That would be for the best, if Secret Wars was the ACT 3 of the Marvel universe, which has been stuck in ACT 2, but of course not.
I just kind of hoped they'd stick with Battleworld. It was a really good premise, and I loved that DOOM finally got the respect he deserves. Plus, what I read of it had the stakes raised high enough for me to care, until I couldn't get them anymore (local shop closed down.)
It seemed like they may have finally improved, and if they kept Battleworld, things could have been cool. But they just made it all moot.
>>84126681
Marvel will be publishing comics after you die.
>>84125054
The body horror of him uisng his powers like that was pretty cool.
>>84123820
Holy shit, the Ultimate setting was fucking grim. It's hilarious though that they can show a guy with his skull open, hemorrhaging blood from his eyes and nose, yet nipples? THE CHILDREN! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
I need to get some of the Ultimate setting trades.
Did Tony ded? I despise the character, but this is no way for a hero to go out.
>>84127023
>I need to get some of the Ultimate setting trades.
Word of warning, there are good moments in the Ultimate universe, but there are so many more bad ones.
Before you spend any real money, ask someone here for a recommended list.
>>84121784
That is correct. Ultimate Sue is a terrible person and scientist.
>>84126414
I honestly like how they did it.
Reed is given ultimate power, but he doesn't try to make anything. Instead, his son, who is by nature a reality shaper/dreamer, just lets his imagination run wild. Thinks up all these little realitys, then passes them to his dad who juices em up and hurls them(literally) into existance.
>>84119943
Yes, Filakov's Ultimates was awesome and was saving the line from dogfucker's dogfucking but then he got sick and they decided to nuke the universe
>>84126600
Actually thats not really Ultimate Mjolnir. Ultimate Thor was running around with a tech powered hammer ever since the Maker killed all of asgard.
That hammer was used by the closest thing to Ultimate Thor, who was the top cop of the Thor Corps. That story ended with him leading the thors into battle against Doom, and hitting him with his hammer so hard that it ricocheted off into the multiverse and eventually landed on the new earth 616.
Shit was pretty baller.
>>84121876
You're a fucking moviefag casual then because this has been going on for a bare minimum of 25 years.
>>84127349
Ultimate Comics Avengers first two stories were pretty good.
But that last one... Oh sweet jesus, horrible vampire storyline combined with Dillon artwork? Just terrible.
>>84124912
Bullshit, she said she was too shallow and wanted to fuck around, which the sperg betas on here get really mad at but I think is pretty cool to be honest like that
>>84124939
Go fuck yourself casual, you didn't even read the run and they have been employing people like Larry Stroman and Greg Land for years.
>>84127349
>>84128161
Ultimate Avengers. All 3 parts (including Avengers 3) and Ultimate Comics: Ultimate Death of Spider-man: Ultimate Avengers vs. New Ultimates were Millar's equivalent of Multiversity. A true magnum opus and the culmination of all his works for Marvel.
It is, hands down, one of the greatest things that Marvel published post-00.
There has never been nor will there ever be another comic that goes as Black Ops as Ultimate Avengers.
>>84128253
Kek.
I was there for that story time
BLACK OPS
>>84127023
Nah, Ultimate Tony was one of the few people that managed to survive the Ultimate Universe's near constant culling of characters (because Dead is Dead in the ultimate universe unless you're Green Goblin).
Hell, he led the fight against 616 Earth during Secret Wars since he was pretty much all that was left. Fury, Hawkeye, and Tony were the only Ultimates still alive by that point.
>>84128107
Nope, Hickman had no idea was going on in his Ultimate FF, he got wind that they were going to destroy the Ultimate Universe and quit
>>84128205
Seriously she rambles about how he left her behind and she was angry, but then goes on to say that "maybe she should try things johnny's way, a boy in every port". And then you get Reeds disgusted face. I still stand by that being the artists way of saying he too feels the writing is fucking pants on head retarded.
And you know what, she could go and be a giant slut, and maybe she wants to be that way, maybe shes got some anger issues or something, all of it was completely blown to shit when a few weeks later Ben gets magically handsome and she jumps on his dick.
Shitty writing is truly shitty.
>>84128353
>he got wind that they were going to destroy the Ultimate Universe and quit
Ultimate FF launched at cancellation numbers. Like, the first issue sold around 18k and Marvel's cancellation line at the time was ~20k. It was downgraded to a 6 issue mini right away.
>>84128236
I read the run, its still absolutely shit, and the art style is terrible. And anything else you can possibly say is ruined more so by giant purple penis iron man.
>>84128253
It was full Millar, this is undeniable. You can't ever respect it, but its hard not to get some enjoyment out of the crazy storyline of Caps boy, Redskull who cut his own face off and spent 40 years killing, raping, and torturing his way across the black ops world.
Then the follow up of the Avengers taking on a crazy uber powerful version of Ghost rider was pretty badass. All of this with, out of fucking nowhere, black/chav hulk, who was hulk before banner and does it better because fuck you thats why.
Oh millar... never change you crazy fucker.
>>84128428
>I HATE IT SO IT'S WORSE THAN GREG LAND WHO IS NOT SOMEHOW WORSE THAN ERICA HENDERSON, NO I WILL NOT POST ANY IMAGES TO PROVE MY POINT BECAUSE I AM SO RIGHT I DO NOT NEED TO DO THAT
Get fucked casual. I bet you're one of the faggots on this board who thinks faces are the most important part of graphic art
>>84124939
Hellcat doesn't even have bad art, it's just simplistic and cartoony, it has shit WRITING. You can't even keep your hivemind opinions straight you fucking faggot.
Not to mention the slew of miserable artists marvel has hired throughout the years like Liefeld who was their PREMIERE ARTIST for several years.
>>84128573
Hmm... I actually did like him in AI, maybe he just had bad direction in that series? Everything looked like shit, and they made reed look like an old man.
>>84128573
>I bet you're one of the faggots on this board who thinks faces are the most important part of graphic art
Oh God, yeah, this is the easiest way to tell if someone around here has no idea what good art is when they define the quality of art purely by the faces. The Vote Loki thread where everyone was shitting on Langdon Foss because the faces of the people he drew weren't all 10/10 QTs was fucking disgusting.
>the art can be the greatest art of all time but if the faces aren't pretty then ITS SHIT, ITS ALL SHIT, BURN IT DOWN
Meanwhile they'll praise any artist that can do generic house style full page pin-ups regardless of how awful their paneling or composition are.
>>84128657
Liefeld is better than the majority of Marvel's current PC SJW "artists." This is a fact.
>>84128398
And then he quit when he found out the universe was going. That's why someone was brought in to wrap up the series for him
>>84122302
>let me avert my panther eyes
>>84128236
>Galactypus
>>84128889
Thank god someone else has noticed how fucking retarded the art critiquing on this board is. Langdon Foss is a person who catches a lot of shit for this here, Arajuo is deemed 0/10 because of it, some faggots even hate Frank fucking Quietly for this reason.
>>84128929
Good fucking lord. Once again the WRITING is PC SJW bullshit, the artists just get hired to draw what is in the script. (though Henderson is a faggot SJW piece of shit there is no defending her)
>>84128236
Galactapus is the single greatest thing to come out of the Ultimate Universe.
And that includes The Maker.
>>84125036
Ultimate Reed was the only thing that ever got me interested in the comic side of /co/ and then this happened
I haven't bothered to read a floppy comic ever since, just the latest meme issues on /co/ so I can stay dank
>>84129690
He's based again at the end of 1610
>>84129690
He got better after Fiaklov and Hickman ran damage control on Humphries' shit and now Ewing is writing him in the main universe over in New Avengers.
>>84128657
>implying
>>84128657
The writing and art are both bad.
>>84129886
Isn't this just a fill-in artist?
>>84130316
the worst guest artist
>>84125226
And then they get beaten up by the Ultimates and all the stuff they did never gets mentioned again
>>84130316
Yes, Natasha Allegri
>>84126681
>Doom finally got the respect he deserved
>stole power from god-creatures causing everything to die faster
>fails to recreate even a single universe completely
>gets mad whenever anybody realizes shit isn't right
>can't even control his subjects despite having literal god powers
Respect
>>84128977
>>84128353
>quit
He's the one who wrote how it got destroyed. That's a fucking idiotic way to quit
>>84129886
That looks better than the regular art so not the best choice for your argument
>>84130677
They're talking about Fiaklov, not Hickman.
>>84122620
>the Maker
Someone's read Dune.
>>84130750
Fialkov wrote all of UFF
>>84130779
It's a common enough phrase in sc-fi.
Star Wars had it
>>84127349
That comic is fucking amazing, kill yourself
>>84130994
>implying
>>84131024
Remove the blood and it's Cap giving Blade a world-class hickey
>>84130800
No he didn't. The last 2 issues were written by someone else going off of Fiaklov's notes.
>>84131060
Look at this face.
He still is
>>84130800
Nope. Stuart Moore took the rest of his plots for the series in cobbled-together the 6th issue
>>84130677
>better than the normal art
is the normal art literal dog shit
>>84130924
Star Wars Maker was "God for robots", i. e. literally the guy who made the tobot saying it.
And even then Tatooine and the Hutts were crazy Dune inspired.
>>84131136
Yes
>>84131024
>>84131060
>>84131087
>give cap a boyfriend
>>84131140
ESB came out a year before God Emperor.
The Hutts inspired Leto 2
>>84131024
I am not implying that I am outright stating it. It's a hilarious romp around the Ultimate Universe that injects Wesley Snipes Blade to the forefront of the story, and has Dillon drawing homoerotic art for shits and giggles.
You have no soul if you don't like this comic
>>84131202
Of course I like it.
It's still shit, but I like it
>>84122063
So basically she was the one that condemned the Ultimate Universe, I mean the her future self explicitly say that she needs to be at Reed's side and have his baby, right?
>>84122124
She was hitting on Pete?
>>84131355
No, that was Ultimate Spider-Ham
>>84131404
He wanted his sandwich like the rest of the kids had theirs.
>>84121937
Man, was it a canon in-universe trait that Ultimate Sue is a terrible, stupid person?
>>84132245
Weirdly enough, she started off better than 616 Sue.
>>84125107
>Cap just about to hit on a woman married to his friend
That feels weird.
>>84119943
This was way past the point where it was clear nobody was giving a shit, as evidenced by the fact that Reed suddenly has the white hair despite being the Ultimate version and under 30.
>>84132311
>under 30.
He's a 1000+ years old at that point, if he looks older it's because he wants to look older.
>>84132311
>under 30
While you're right that he shouldn't have had the white streaks in his hair since Ultimate Reed stopped aging at ~19, but dude was over 1000 years old by this point.
>>84131242
It's not though. Millar and Dillon knew exactly what they were doing
>>84132398
>>84132468
I mean physically. I know the City time travel stuff happened but U Reed doesn't age.
>>84132311
Moron, he lived in the world where time runs at thousands of times our speed, that's how he even created his society and took over the world.
The fantastic 4 would be multitudes better if it didn't have to include Sue Storm in it ever again ever. Just replace her with literally anybody.
>>84132286
Made the downfall hurt more.
She starts out a genius in Bioscience's. Reed once remarked that she was even smarter than him in her own way, and that line has been abused several times.
She also starts out the same age as him, not a 13 year old girl crushing on a 20 year old, who then eventually marries him.
>>84132510
That's why I said if he's looks older it's because he wants to look older.
>>84123863
Go fuck yourself
>>84122713
I'm just thankful my grandfather didn't get to see this year, hydra cap, dead namor, dead monako (which he was fond of for some reason)
>>84125226
This looks cooldid it end well?
>>84133136
It ended alright. A bit rushed, because Ultimate End was happening.
>>84124912
That's very typical woman. She wants her men around her. Being away is bad, even when it is to save the universe (and therefore, save HER).
>>84133136
Not really, no.
Not even from an in-universe perspective, everything went back to "normal" when their overlords were defeated.
>>84132524
What? 616 Sue is amazing. It's Ultimate Sue that's fucking awful.
>>84132524
I could do without Johnny in a new FF. If he's going to be an irresponsible idiot forever, then he can get lost.
