This was so much fucking better. Holy shit.
So many of the problems are gone.
>>84115013
Meh. Lex is still shit.
>Superman saving people from the explosion
Why would they cut this
>>84115033
Way better though.
>>84115013
watching it in 2 minutes for the first time, still don't have high hopes.
>>84115035
>all of the Clark scenes
Why did they cut that? It made his feud with bats actually make sense.
>>84115013
I thought Diana doesn't believe in lipstick?
>>84115035
>>84115067
Simple marketing
They knew it would do good enough in theatres, it's the post theatrical sales that make the big difference. A movie in the theatre to Hollywood is just an advertisement you pay to see and your just a recorded statistic to show producers.
I am baffled by how improved this is.
It's Daredevil all over again.
>>84115130
Fuck did I kill the thread with great logic again.
>Lex getting btfo with the transfer to Arkham
So the blame superman in the beginning is odd. The woman senator must have a thing out for superman
>>84115277
Feminist triggered over man being Super.
>>84115277
It all makes sense.
>>84115013
>So many of the problems are gone.
They superimposed a different actress over Wonder Woman?
Or did they cut her all together?
>>84115365
fuck off she was the best part of the movie.
>>84115376
No she wasn't, that would be the Batman warehouse fight.
>>84115013
Is it really better? I want to believe
>>84115130
>They knew it would do good enough in theatres
But it didn't. It made enough to be inarguably successful but not successful enough for what a Batman and Superman movie should make.
>>84115013
So if I didn't bother seeing it in the cinemas, is it worth seeing now?
I really hope DC paid you for this.
>>84115439
Not really.
>>84115130
>it's the post theatrical sales that make the big difference
This is literally untrue.
>>84115255
>I'm so smart I killed the thread
>again
Oh my god, kill yourself.
>>84115430
It puts a new spin on some narrative beats and is overall let out a bit.
But it's still BvS.
I liked it originally and this didn't really away my opinion any higher.
>>84115277
The flame throwers were to imply superman used his heat vision on those people. That's why he was blamed.
>>84115465
Lex actually had a plan that made sense in the UC? well fuck me
>>84115465
Any casual glance would still see bullet holes.
God damn is Lex done poorly. I mean everything the acting the script the directing even the fucking music is terrible around him
Ultimate cut brings it from a C to maybe like a B-
I think what I like most about the ultimate cut is that it shuts up Snyderfags defending the theatrical cut. They can't say the ultimate edition is good/better because it fixes all the problems that they defended initially like the bad editing on the point that "a smart movie doesn't explain everything"
Holy shit, did they hire Lex's assistant to make wonder woman look big? Why is this movie a commercial for anorexia? Gross
Is there much more mentioned about Bruce going off the rails and becoming a killer? Do they mention he never used to kill? I know theres the whole "what falls is fallen" thing and "hes angry and hes hunting" but is there much more about that?
>>84115606
Not really. Here's a good summary. If you hated the portrayal of Lex, Superman, Batman, Lois or Wondy, this cut would literally do nothing for you. Don't expect Superman to smile or Batman to be likable. It adds Clark investigating Batman, Lois investigating Lex, more substance to the Africa scenes and that's pretty much about it. You know how Clark and Lois' investigation leads to fuck all, it's just that. You know how 'v' in BvS is shoehorned in and doesn't feel justified, it's literally that. You know how there are too many plot points and movie jumps from one point to another without a bigger sense of cohesiveness, it's literally that. And I don't think anybody here's going to argue, it adds little stuff here and there but fundamental problems are still there.
>>84115669
Damn
I could tolerate it being a fairly dumb popcorn movie, but the biggest things i hate is Bat of murder of man of murder. If they were to state that Bruce only started killing after Jason died i could forgive it.
It would go from a ruined movie to an ok movie.
>>84115439
Yep, it's actually better if you see it now, you can then watch the normal version afterwards and see how much hey fucked up
>>84115605
Tao is cute. Cute!And deader than Dazzler's career. Waifufags and shills got BTFO so hard.
>>84115772
To be fair, the new Clark scenes do have Gotham bystanders pointing out that Batman has a darkness to him now, that he's more brutal.
>>84115459
Same. While the Ultimate edition is "better" it hasn't really changed my view of the film. I enjoyed Batman v Superman in the theaters and I enjoyed this version too.
This was really a vast improvement and I would wholeheartedly recommend that all comic book loving fans demographic age 13-36 definitely check it out on Blu-Ray/DVD combo pack for MRSP $29.99.
>>84115772
The dude Batman brands is killed in prison by people paid off my Lex so Clark thinks Batman is branding people for murder.
The theatrical cut already speaks about how Batman is having an existential crisis because of the arrival of Superman, and Batman feeling impotent. If you didn't understand that from the theatrical cut you're beyond saving.
>>84115808
Ah ok i guess that could help. A core part of Batman is that he doesnt kill. (Inb4 fags talk about first appearances)
I could dig it if it was a case of Batman had gone off the rails, but as far as Batman always being a killer? Thats a bit too much of a shit on his character.
You guys are so very very petty and jealous of Marvel.
tfw all the torrents are going super slow on my communist connection
>>84115013
It's just a shit sandwich with more bread.
>>84115013
For a second I thought it was the Gay porn knockoff
>>84115834
Fuck off Snyder. How does that translate to whether he was always a killer or not?
>>84115850
>using torrents
>uses communism as an insult
bit of a hypocrite, aren't we?
>>84115847
>>84115857
Samepost.
>>84115669
What about the 'muh space jesus' stuff?
>>84115861
You're autism and "not muh" is showing.
The speech Alfred says about gods and monsters basically sums up Bruce's existiential crisis.
I'm not saying everyone who disliked this movie is too stupid to get it, but you're definitely too stupid to get it.
Enjoy being a bitter and cynical asshole you provides nothing too the world.
>>84115825
Lol I'm gonna pirate it. Nice try WB.
>>84115865
;^)
>>84115865
Is there a direct download somewhere sonny
>>84115867
I'm not that guy I enjoy both companies
>>84115873
Still there in the full force.
I thought snyder said this version was going to be rated R. Half way through and nothing at all R about it
>>84115910
Go on Filediva and search Batman v Superman extended.
>>84115439
Yes.
It`s not a GREAT movie. But this version irons out some of the problems, turning it from meh product to okay-ish product.
I didn`t feel like I wasted my 3 hours - in fact, this version felt shorter than the 2.5 hour version.
It`s so strange how that works.
Fuck you WB for butchering Snyders work.
>>84115893
"Not muh"
thats the whole point of making a movie about a character you absolute Snydercuck.
>Lets make a terminator reboot, only this time he is a woman and not a robot but an alien, and he goes forward in time rather than back in time.
Theres a reason marvel movies sell well and Snyder DC movies constantly fail.
>>84115901
yep, not worth the money IMO
>>84115960
Mouseketeers on murdering the industry watch.
Is Superman still a dumb, emokid who can't do anything?
Is Batman still a maniac killer?
Is Wonder Woman still just in the movie for the sake of being in the movie?
Not gonna see see it then.
>>84115977
Except MoS and BvS outsold the majority of the Marvel movies.
>>84115977
Yeah, the reason is that no one gives half a fuck about most of the Avengers anyway.
Like, Black Widow literally doesn't have a Russian accent in the films but no one seems to care about this.
Hawkeye was never a villain.
Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver aren't Magneto's kids.
Tony Stark isn't in AA.
There's a million "not muh" arguments to be made for the MCU but no one gives a shit about the characters cause they don't read comics. But people pretend they know who Batman and Superman are because they've seen the Donner and Nolan films.
>>84115957
Thanks my negro
>>84115844
obviously he just started killing, how can you be that dense? his whole arc is going back to not killing at the end.
>>84116004
No, yes, yes.
>>84116011
this
>>84116004
Yes to all three
>>84116011
>Like, Black Widow literally doesn't have a Russian accent in the films but no one seems to care about this.
Why would a highly trained super spy have a noticeable accent
>>84116044
Thanks man.
Also, I'm not ripping on the MCU for doing different things with the characters, much like I'm not ripping on the DCEU for doing different things with the characters.
I actually buy comics so if I want to read canon versions of the characters I read those books. I also read Else Worlds and What If books too because I'm not an autistic monkey.
>>84116011
>There's a million "not muh" arguments to be made for the MCU but no one gives a shit about the characters cause they don't read comics.
Nigger that's not it. People don't bitch because a lot of them are literally whos and because at the end of the day they're likable protagonists even if very much based on formula and being generic.
>>84116064
because she does in the comics. same reason american super spies have american accents and james bond has a british accent.
>>84116064
That's fair enough. But her Russian ancestry is nonetheless never fucking addressed.
Also, why is Hawkeye not a reformed villain?
And did Nick Fury fight in WW II?
>>84116064
How else would we know she's from Russia?
>>84116066
Then why are most of the arguments about Man of Steel and Batman v Superman:
>tell that to Zod's snapped neck
>Man of Manslaughter
>Wonder Woman isn't buff enough
And for the particularly stupid
>MARTHA
Answer that riddle for me Batman.
>>84116071
>because she does in the comics
No she doesn't. Not since the 70s anyway.
>>84116010
Yeah it only took DC's two biggest properties ham-fisted into the very first two movies of their shared universe.
The only Marvel equivalent would have been Man of Webs and Spider-Man vs Wolverine: Dawn of Avengence.
>>84116099
what the fuck, yes she does. Did you read the recent Waid Widow comic?
>>84116011
- Black Widow: Of course she doesn't. She's a top spy. Having a big Russian accent kinda makes you suspect. I'm not sure, but I don't think she has a Russian accent in the comics anymore.
- Hawkeye: Wasn't really a criminal in current comics continuity. Nor is it really important to his character. He's the human element in the Avengers. The point is him not having powers and having a stable family. Him having a criminal past is not that important.
- The Twins: Yes, they're not his children because of the deal with Fox. But, they're still character who've been traumatized as children. Scarlet still got experimented on. They still fought on the side of the bad guy. The ideas and schapes behind their characters are still the same. Magneto doesn't need to be their father.
- Tony Stark: Isn't in AA, thank the fucking lord. What a boring part of his character that was. Not a drunkard, but still a heavily traumatized adult male with all the money in the world. Again, the core of his character still stands.
Snyder didn't respect the core concepts of the DC character. It doesn't matter if Jonathan died, or if both of his adoptive parents died. It doesn't matter if Earth was the chosen destination by Jor-El or if Kal-El made it to earth of all planets by pure luck. Superman is an almost omnipotent, kind-hearted, loving Superhero. He cares about us all. Almost the opposite of what Snyder made him out to be.
It doesn't matter if Batman is 20 or 50. If he's tired of fighting crime or if he's 100% motivated. It doesn't matter if Bruce lost Robin or hasn't even met Dick. What matters is that Batman is a hero who uses his traumo to bring about positive change. Positive change for victims but also perpetrators. He doesn't want anyone to die, because to Batman, death is the worst thing in the world. Batman's villains are crazy because then Batman can cherish hope they can be cured. Batman is the opposite of a killer.
>>84116115
so you are saying American spies never have American accents? and James Bond shouldnt have a british accent?
also
>all this justifying, head canon, and moving goal posts
jesus christ, delusional drone
>>84116011
Fucking this.
And it's hilarious how Snyder being 3deep5u is a meme when we've got posters who seemingly never watched the movie, day in and day out.
There are valid criticisms to be made, surely, but about half of it is always goodreads-tier garbage that boils down to "I have the attention span of a goldfish, please fight me."
>>84116090
>MARTHA
People complain about that scene because whether or not it makes thematic sense, as a piece of filmmaking that entire sequence is fucking laughable. The entire Batman/Superman fight right up until the end of the MARTHA scene is the most embarrassing part of a comic-book movie since Catwoman decided she would show off some dank basketball moves with Benjamin Bratt.
>>84116115
Superman literally saves people in his free time. Its all he doess. And his whole life his parents tell him he can be whatever the fuck he wants, and he chooses to be a superhero and save people. How is that in ANYWAY Snyder telling us Superman doesnt care about us? The fact that he sacrifices himself twice to save us? I bet you've never read Byrne's run on superman, or Waid's run, or even Secret Identity.
Also Batman has killed KGB in the comics in the 80s, and there have been plenty of elseworlds and other stories that explore the concept fine. Stop being a bitch and actually read comics
Just watched it for the first time
It wasn't terrible
I laughed at a few retarded things
I don't care how well Eisenberg can act, Luthor should not be a quirky-insane kid with long hair.
It honestly is not a bad movie
Only real complain I have is that it's so fucking long but it's paced pretty well for the most part all things considered. I still hope to god JL is shorter and that they don't try to do quite so fucking much in it.
I feel like they got characterization down pretty well for everyone but Luthor and Batmurder, but they do so many hilarious "THIS AREA WE JUST NUKED IS ABANDONED" moments that I can't bring myself to hate Batmurder. Obviously everyone he shot and / or exploded were flung clear and only suffered minor injuries.
>>84116115
batman has killed in every other movie adaptation you tard
hell, in the CW shows even flash and arrow kill pretty constantly. Even the marvel heroes kill all their villains.
>>84116136
I don't think his Batman was too far off since they've pretty much done everything with Batman already, but if you don't think Snyder fucked up Superman royally then you probably thought his interpretation of Watchmen was spot on too.
>>84116151
they specifically say Batman had gotten more brutal, and didnt care if people died. The whole point of his arc was the he was reclaiming his no kill code. Thats why he avoids killing anyone in the warehouse fight scene (except KGBeast at the end) and doesnt kill Luthor.
>>84116115
>Almost the opposite of what Snyder made him out to be.
Right at the end of the movie Superman goes something like "This is my planet I love it so much also I love you Lois" to Lois and it feels like a pretty nice way that they could potentially segue into Boyscoutman. Rocky start, but that's fine.
>>84116128
No, I'm saying it's easily explained why she might not have one. My point is that with or without her accent, the core idea of her character still stands.
It's the ideas and meanings behind the characters that are the most important when writing a (super)hero story. You don't write a mainstream Robin Hood who steals from the rich so he can pay the best whores in the land.
>>84116115
>He cares about us all.
How come in Kingdom Come and Injustice he goes off the rails if Lois Lane dies then?
>Wasn't really a criminal in current comics continuity.
Unless they've retconned his origin recently and I'm unaware: Yes he fucking was
>Nor is it really important to his character.
Have you read any Hawkeye comics? He is actually quite a different character than the MCU would have you believe.
>Isn't in AA, thank the fucking lord. What a boring part of his character that was.
Tony Stark having a drinking problem is literally the only interesting thing about his character. Otherwise he's a boring Objectivist superhero.
You're TL;DR about why Snyder's bad ignores the fact that Superman willingly puts himself in harms way to save humanity (in both films), so he actually DOES give a fuck about all of us. And Batman states at the end of Batman v Superman that he was fucking wrong to go off the deep end.
But no. You're one of those people who writes fanfiction with no conflict and thinks Squirrel Girl is a good book.
>>84116163
read some comics kid, Snyder didnt fuck up superman, he just focused on a different aspect then Donner did.
And guess what, Dave Gibbons himself said Snyder completely understood Watchmen. Literally the only problem I can see with it is that the fight scenes might have been too flashy, if you are one of those people who read the Watchmen being completely out of their prime, despite the comic having multiple fight scenes in it where people do impossible shit.
>>84116137
Was it Daredevil or Catwoman that had the scene where they're break dancing in a park in front of a bunch of little kids?
>>84116163
Man, I didn't even tell you what I thought about the movie. What I was trying to get at was that Snyder's in no way deep, people are just really fucking dumb.
Even in the Ultimate Edition, Supes is... lacking, certainly.
And Watchmen? I'm always the first one to criticize that movie. I've got some casual friends who'd never get through the book, but worship the adaptation.
>>84116137
nah, the fight scene is great. You're crazy.
>>84116163
His interpretation of Watchmen is fucking garbage. I'll defend Batman v Superman and Man of Steel, but I cannot stand his version of Watchmen.
>>84116159
Flash and Green have killed in the comics. They try not to, but they haven't got the big "I don't kill" ethic that's part of Batman and Superman.
Yes, Batman kills in almost every movie. And in every movie, that's the wrong choice to make. Why do they still make Batman kill? Because the heroes in action movies have always brought conflict to a close in deadly manner. It's part of action movie culture. Comics went through the comics code, that's why characters like Superman and Batman fundementally don't kill. Those two worlds clash and the movie culture has one every single time, diminishing the symbolism of these modern American myths.
>>84116184
> le contrarian the post
>>84116190
It would appear the movie going audience and a good part of the comic book community and writers agree with me so spare me the condescension.
>>84116151
>but it's paced pretty well
It's terribly paced. The beginning has so many drawn out scenes that add nothing to it. The scene changes are pretty jarring in a lot of places. And yhose fucking dream sequences are like you suddenly are watching another movie
>>84116191
Daredevil.
>>84116148
His father tells him he needs to hide because the world'll never accept him. He saves people with a grim face, because Jor-El told him to. Not because he wants to do it for his own reasons. He's passive and confused. Which is fine for any other superpowered character, but not for Superman because the point of Superman is to be super.
>>84116191
Daredevil. That also had the infamous "Electric Nachos" line reading.
>>84116202
The fight scene was awful. It was like the most expensive professional wrestling match ever filmed, just throwing each other through cheap wood and smashing things over each others heads while delivering some of the worst dialogue I've heard in a superhero film. Every line sounds like it's being delivered for the trailer, bizarre empahsis ever time they talk. And they're all god-awful "badass" bullshit one-liners, it was like a parody of Snyder filmmaking.
>>84116011
B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-buh M-M-Marvel has "heart"!
M-m-Marvel "gets" "it"!!!
>>84116216
I'm glad that you conceded by posting some bullshit fucking meme.
I'm confident that if I asked you to name a character invented by Denny O'Neil you couldn't tell me one without googling it.
But obviously you're a "real" comic book fan.
I mean you obviously know Superman's middle name too don't you?
>>84115035
because he is Superman, everyone knows that he saves people they don't have to show it again especially since even in the earlier scenes he was shown saving people
>>84116172
But that's wrong. I took it as the ONLY thing that mattered to him on Earth was his parents and Lois.
The Knightmare sequence only exacerbates this issue even more and the implication of Lois dying leads him to being all out evil or at least leaves him vulnerable to it.
>>84116236
nah it was great man. sucks you didnt like it.
>>84116184
>How come in Kingdom Come and Injustice he goes off the rails if Lois Lane dies then?
Injustice is fucking retarded, hated by people that care about accurate portrayal of Superman. In Kingdom Come we do get the feeling that Supes is a bit off, he's literally redeemed once Shazam is offed. The ending scene alone makes the comic worth a read.
>>84116216
oh yeah, so im sure you know all about how the entire zod conflict from MoS was taken out of Byrne's run? Even the death part of it? Or how literally in Superman #1 Johnathan Kent says Superman SHOULDN'T use his powers to help people because he doesn't want to be revealed? And I'm certain you knew that whole truck scene in MoS was an homage to Action Comics #1 to signify it being the start of his journey into being Superman? And I'm also sure you could tell me all about how Superman's central conflict in BvS, of being worshipped, is right out of Paul Dini's World's Greatest Heroes, to the point where the fire rescue scene is taken RIGHT out of it?
Yeah man, I'm sure you know all about them comics.
>>84116074
"Regimes fall every day. I tend not to cry over that, I'm Russian." -Avengers
It is, but honestly Avengers has no rewatch value and I don't blame you for not remembering a throwaway line like that.
>>84116269
Injustice is super fun man, stop being so hung up on "not muh!" and realize these characters/archetypes are multifaceted and can be looked at from different angles.
>>84116184
Kingdom Come is an elseworld warning by Waid. The point of that comic is showing that the splashy big explosive superhero is boring and bad. We're talking mainstream Superman here.
He got trained by the circus and wrongly accused of theft. He stole one thing to help Black Widow, which he regretted and started shooting straight from that point on. Does this give Hawkeye a bit more character? Maybe, but stealing something and regretting it, is not a motivation you can keep building on. Hence why it's not that important to his character.
The point of Stark's drinking is showing he's a traumatized person. That's the actual point. He is in the movies, but instead of drinking he makes choices that fuck up whole countries: Avengers 2. Way more interesting yet still sticking to Iron Man's core.
Superman didn't save us. He sacrificed himself because of his corny love line for Lois Lane. He saves people because Jor-El told him to. That's why he's so easily disuaded from helping people when the going gets tough.
I want conflict in story. I just want it to be interesting and resolved in a way that makes the character's core concepts shine.
>>84116269
I'm not arguing about whether Kingdom Come or Injustice are better (though obviously Kingdom Come is better). I'm talking about how it's pretty well known that if Lois dies Superman goes off the rails in one way or another. Like it's a trope writers use for Elseworlds stories because it's so well known.
Batman v Superman addresses that fact and people pretend like this is some weird revelation about the character which Snyder is adding to make Superman different when it's been used before.
>>84116168
Reclaiming kill code? Are you for real? Once you murder, you're a murderer. The upgrade to superhero is lost forever. How's this not easy to understand?
And he does kill in the warehouse. Watch it again.
>>84116303
>Superman didn't save us.
A world engine in the Indian Ocean might have a different view on that.
>>84116249
No one needs to defend Marvel, it sells itself, it's successful on its own, it has literally recreated its own brand in the eyes of countless casuals who could have given a fuck about any of these characters prior. The MCU doesn't need fanboys defending it, it doesn't need anyone defending it, for all of it's ups and downs it manages to be successful and widely liked by just about everyone. You're welcome to disagree, but you'll always bee in the minority.
If you can't understand what is so great about the MCU getting casuals to fall in love with characters that prior to 2008 may have only been known to people vaguely, if that, and what is so disappointing about the DCEU having to ape it just to make two of the best known Comic Book Super Heroes ever to get a shared cinematic universe off the ground, then you quite frankly just don't get it.
>>84116296
It's fun alright but don't bring it any argument about accurate portrayal.
>>84116316
Fair enough. But Kingdom Come Superman didn't go off the rails.
>>84116284
And Captain America was a werewolf in the comics once, your point? Just because it happened once in the comics doesn't mean that's the popular image of the character or their standard. The disappointment of many former Superman writers following both MOS and BvS seems telling enough in that fact.
>>84116296
Thanks, totally agree with you.
Injustice isn't "great" but it's definitely fun.
>We're talking mainstream Superman here.
No we aren't. If you want "mainstream" Superman read the fucking comic book called Superman. It's currently coming out every two weeks and is published by DC. You should be able to find a new copy every other week on Wednesday at your local comic book store, if you don't have a local comic book store you can order it online. Plus he's also the star of Action Comics and a member of the Justice League, also comics you can find at your local comic book story.
That's MAINSTREAM Superman. Superman in film isn't mainstream Superman.
This isn't a hard concept to grasp.
Or did you complain about how the League of Assassins was called the League of Shadows in the Nolan movies too because you have selective autism?
>>84116357
>But Kingdom Come Superman didn't go off the rails.
>>>
He didn't going Injustice levels off the rails, but he abandoned mankind and when he came back he put a bunch of people in a concentration camp. Which is still off the rails.
IT IS STILL SHIT
IT IS JUST LONGER SHIT
I didn't believe the whole shill meme, but this thread makes me re-think that
>>84116284
This!
>>84116388
Billy should've kill him.
>>84116323
no he doesnt, except for the very end with the explosion.. I literally just watched that scene, and no one is killed except for the two guys at the end in the explosion.
And you can reclaim your goodness, that is literally what the movie was all about. Pa Kent in the dream tells that story about how he tried to be good and he accidentally killed the horses. And he blamed himself and didnt believe in good until he met Martha. Being shown love let him be good again.
Superman tried to be good and killed Zod, which had lots of unexpected consequences. Just like how Superman tried to be good and go to the hearing, but that had unexpected consequences. Being shown love by Lois gave him the ability to keep trying to be good despite all of that.
Batman tried to be good by defeating what he believed was the biggest threat to humanity that ever existed. But he has no one to love him, so he keeps descending into the darkness and starts killing. Once he was able to accept that Superman is good, he was able to reclaim his goodness.
Don't be such an absolutist.
Not gonna lie, I smiled a lot watching this. It really did clear up a lot of glaring issues and gave me major confidence in what Snyder is doing.
Superman's struggle throughout the film was rough to watch, though. I just wanted to give him a hug.;-;
>>84116374
No, I complained about the Nolan movies because those movies suck.
A big 250 billion production that will be seen way more that a comic will ever be read, is mainstream Superman.
>>84116400
This still doesn't make your movie good or justified in how the characterizations were handled, just like all those convoluted arguments in the MOS threads didn't make MOS a better movie.
>>84116366
he took parts from very iconic and important parts of superman's mythos. Like for example Action Comics and fucking Superman number 1. Byrne was the definitive run of Superman for a long long time, and World's Greatest Heroes is one of the go to "get into comics" comics.
Fuck off with your unearned feeling of superiority, if people just went with the "popular perception" of a character forever, we would never have moved on from Adam West batman, or move on from Burton Batman. Everything would just be the first popular iteration for ever.
>>84116409
My man. Are you for real? It doesn't matter what the movie tried to tell us. A murderer is a murderer. Batman killing people and not being judged by a court of law and serving time, prohibits him from ever being a good guy.
Hitler suddenly having a change of heart and helping Jewish orphans find new families, doesn't redeem him. He's still a fucking killer who needs to pay up in accordance to international law.
The concepts of morality don't change because it's fiction. Certainly not in a movie that tried everything to come off as realistic as possible.
>>84116435
Yes, he cannibalized a bunch of iconic scenes and plastered them altogether in a clumsy manner that left most audiences confused. Snyder became so concerned with the symbolism and imagery that he completely forgot about creating any kind of cohesive exposition. He has a classic case of directorial tunnel vision.
>>84116435
You're not getting it. Byrne made Superman kill in one of his stories. That story is seen as an odd ball and a mistake. It's not about popular perception. Robin Hood doesn't steal from the poor. Superman and Batman don't kill. Core concepts.
>>84116458
It's worse than murdering people. He goes way over the top. He tortures people and even mangles their corpses. Dude is a fucking psychopathic killer
>>84116458
Not all killing is murder
>>84116485
Cyclops pls.
Can you people go shill your "kino" back on /tv/, where you belong?
>>84116414
I personally really enjoy superhero stories where the superhero is deconstructed. It's why my favorite comics are Dark Knight Returns, Daredevil Born Again, and Watchmen.
I dig that there are other things going on in those comics when people can latch onto, but part of what makes those books good is that they each in their own way make you really look at the heroes to their core.
Man of Steel and Batman v Superman both do that too and I really enjoy that aspect of them.
Also, and this is totally me fanboying but I'm so fucking happy about seeing Batman in grey. The only time we get to see him in grey in live action is the fucking Adam West Batman. Seeing Batman for the first time as some sort of gothic horror creeping in the corner in his GREY fucking outfit gave me a fucking soul orgasm!
>>84116485
Go back to college, you asshole.
Except for euthanasia and killing in self defence (which has very specific conditions), killing is murder. Shooting people with a gun in your car or plane, is murder.
>>84116497
kek
>>84115524
What did you think of the rubber Bucky mask?
>>84116514
>I personally really enjoy superhero stories where the superhero is deconstructed.
Deconstructions of a genre are great for immersed fans of the genre, not so great for people who just want to show up casually and enjoy the genre.
This is literally the issue with the performance of many of WB/DC's film properties.
For all it's "realism", the Nolan films are in no way a deconstruction.
I'm already seeing FUCK WB and LE BASED SNYDER DID NOTHING WRONG so I hope /co/ remembers that Snyder made all of these cuts himself and said publicly through every step of the production that there was no interference from WB and he was making the movie he wanted to make.
In fact Zack's complete creative control was used by the Snyder Defense Force as an argument that BvS would turn out well
>>84116590
>Watchmen 2
Rebirth is pretty rad
>>84116514
In what way are Man of Steel and Batman v Superman deconstructions?
>>84116606
It literally shits on Watchmen and you people eat it because MUH FEELS, MUH SUPERMAN and MUH WALLY.
>>84116590
The first Batman story I actually read was The Dark Knight Returns. I was a massive Marvel fan back then and hated everything DC did because I was an idiot child who bought into the whole "console wars" bullshit.
After reading Dark Knight Returns Batman became my favorite superhero and has been since.
But I will definitely agree that deconstructions aren't for everyone, but they definitely work for some people. It's probably why there's a bunch of back and forth when people talk about the Snyder DCEU films. They're deconstructions and some people don't want that in their superheroes and others REALLY love that in their superheroes.
It hasn't changed my opinion on the overall product, but this at least provides better context for events.
>>84116284
This dog mad nerd style, yo
>>84116626
To be fair, I think a lot of people forgot the entire point of Watchmen. The movie didn't help.
>>84116400
>(You)
>>84116626
So what you're saying is, you're mad because your muh isn't other people's muh and they care more about their muh than your muh
Not muh muh
>>84116640
>I was a massive Marvel fan back then
Exactly my point, you were a jaded fan of the genre, extremely familiar with all the usual tropes and conventions.
It's fine to make a Red Son comic book, but making a Red Son or Injustice movie is just a terrible terrible idea if your intention is to please casual fans of Superman.
>>84116700
>casual fans of Superman.
they only care about him because he is the "strongest".
>>84115920
It's not as if Snyder was the one who chose the R rating for it. The MPAA did, and they are a very fickle organization. Hell, even something as stupid as a single shot of a dead body going on for too long can get your film slapped with an R rating.
>>84116617
Without going entirely into Plato's Republic the movie addresses the flaw of perfection. That a "perfect" society will still fall and that a "perfect" Man, a "Superman" is still a man and will fail too. The film ends with Clark murdering someone as a city crumbles around him showing that even the Superman is not infallible.
Batman v Superman shows that someone who has spent their life fighting against injustice can suffer through a dark knight of the soul (see what I did there... Knight!). Yet the overcome the challenge not because they decide to become more "badass" but by realising what they were fighting for to begin with. But it still ends with the death of a friend and ally.
>>84116736
>they only care about him because he is the "strongest".
Casuals like Superman because he is the noblest, they believe Hulk is the Strongest.
>>84116755
That's not a deconstruction. I'm not even sure if this is pasta or if you even responded to the right post.
So just finished it, never saw the theatrical version just the extended. 3/10 only thing i liked was based Alfred.
Beginning was ok, bad pacing and jarring scenes like dream sequences. But it seemed like it would be ok. But then it went silly to bat shit insane. By the end it was so bad that i actually laughed when superman got stabbed. God the cgi was bad for doomsday, the concept of the cgi too. Just over the top lightning everywhere like this was some super sayan power up.
Well i saw it to see what the fuss was about. Never paying a cent for snyders shit
>>84116700
>Exactly my point, you were a jaded fan of the genre, extremely familiar with all the usual tropes and conventions.
I wasn't jaded with the genre. I was an idiot child who chose not to read anything by DC because I was part of the mid and late 90s Marvel defense force.
My favorite character was Daredevil and my favorite book before reading Dark Knight Returns was Daredevil: Born Again... And X-Men: Intolerance because I was an idiot child.
Also the reason I was a massive Marvel fan back then was because Batman Forever was the first cape film I saw and it SUCKED! It totally put me off Batman as a character, so I didn't watch the Animated Series until years later. But Marvel had the X-Men series which was dope and my father owned a bunch of Conan books from back in the day which I loved and Marvel were publishing.
Plus it was the 90s and Marvel was "rad" in the 90s with X-Force and shit!
>>84116755
>Batman v Superman shows that someone who has spent their life fighting against injustice can suffer through a dark knight of the soul (see what I did there... Knight!). Yet the overcome the challenge not because they decide to become more "badass" but by realising what they were fighting for to begin with. But it still ends with the death of a friend and ally.
>>84116681
>Muh muh
>Tell your children not to walk my way
>Tell your children not to hear my words
>What they mean
>What they say
>Muh muh
>>84116794
>Casuals like Superman because he is the noblest
not really, they only see him punch his way out of every situation, casuals even think he is faster than the flash.
>>84116803
It isn't pasta. I honestly can't be fucked going into the details of Man of Steel being a deconstruction because of having to go into Plato's Republic massively.
If you've studied Plato and seen Man of Steel you'll understand why it's a deconstruction. Batman v Superman builds on that.
>>84116830
Just stop anon
>>84116814
What Batman was fighting for: to prevent other's suffering the same loss he had to endure.
In case I wasn't clear.
>>84116812
You were probably more tolerable as an idiot child than as a fat, wasted company wars-asshole.
But I digress.
Watched the Ultimate cut. I think it's like 7.5/10. I would give Theatrical a 4 or 5 because it's so choppy and pacing is horrendous.
I don't know if the auteur is a retard or whoever put together the theatrical but they cut scenes out which should've been in there. And cut out the fucking Justice League cameo and Nightmare shit.
>>84116852
Not a company wars asshole.
I'm down with Marvel when they write good stories, and I'm down with DC when they write good stories too.
My preference is with DC at the moment, but that could easily change depending on how this whole three Jokers thing goes, and if Marvel stopped with their bad events and renumbering every fucking year!
Marvel even have two out of three of my favorite superheroes.
>>84115557
but theatrical version was already a masterpiece, this version is something heavenly.
>>84116905
>I used to like Marvel
>when I was a fucking idiot
If you don't want to be seen as a Company Wars retard, you need to cool it with this rhetoric. But you know this, company wars retard.
>>84116899
Apparently Snyder did them himself
>>84116604
It was already said that the Ultimate Cut was for people who liked the movie but had issues with the pacing.
How can people not understand this?
>>84117011
>>84117030
if you just want a (you), you just have to ask, no need to bait that obvious.
>>84116932
I'm talking about current state of books being published.
It's like you telling me I hate pizza because I feel like eating a steak. I've been reading comics long enough to realise that the big two have peaks and valleys.
As a child I was was company wars faggot, but these days I just want good stories.
>>84117046
How many apology-recut films will Ben Affleck end up starring in?
>>84116350
>...& all they had to do was not properly adapt the characters.
Yet we call Snyder the monster.
>tfw its gonna be impossible to have a normal discussion about this cut for at least 4-5 months without DarkSnyde minions or Mousketeers interrupting and off railing the thread
Why
>>84117084
(you) sure are greedy.
>>84117130
Yeah it sucks. I liked BvS and liked the additions this cut made, but it's not a perfect 10/10 masterpiece and I fear the same problems happening with the theatrical release for JL.
>>84117030
Lol how much of a butthurt faggot do you have to be to make a picture like this.
>>84115430
The added material fixed a lot of the pacing and expanded the story to make much more sense. It basically added a bunch of connective material that made things whole. If you liked the movie, you'll like the UE. If you're like me and wasn't too into the movie for technical reasons like the editing, give it a shot. I think you'll likely enjoy it. If you don't like the movie for fundamental reasons - you don't like Snyder, you don't like the direction of the characters, etc. - you might as well skip it since it's largely the same movie and the film just isn't for you. Movies, like any form of art, is subjective and different people like different things.
>>84117084
The DC of Daredevil sucks too. It might clear up the narrative, but it's still a poorly-written, poorly-directed, poorly-plotted film.
>>84116604
> I hope /co/ remembers that Snyder made all of these cuts himself and said publicly through every step of the production that there was no interference from WB
[citation needed]
>>84117164
Sure thing, kid.
Movies rarely improve for me after I rewatch them, but this is (almost) the case.
>Clark is still a gloomy asshole, scenes of him investigating in Gotham look out of place and don't give him more character
>Nairomi woman subplot is good, adds more KGBeast, and God, is he a great villain.
>Reveal that Lex is behind killings of "marked" inmates is important, and scene itself is cool
>Fuckall (if anyhing) added to scene of Batman robbing Lexcorp, I heard that this scene would be expanded
>Keef subplot is better developed, world's hatred for Supes is more well explained
>plans of Lex are more complete and sinister, yet he still always acts like a lovable goof, and is never shown like a threatening villain. Contrast between him and KGBeast is so baffling you would never believe they are working together - shown exceptionally well when he shows pics of tied Martha to Clark.
Old plotholes like alien ship AI being dumb as a brick, and Supes leaving dangerous alien technology lie around for every supervillain with bad hairdo to check them out are still there, so overall it's not that much better.
>>84115605
She's the hottest thing in the movie
>>84117207
Corpsefucker pls.
>>84116256
>Because he is Superman
Man of Steel fooled me then!
Anon, there is never a problem with Superman saving people and more of it is always better.
>>84117207
She was super-hot in The Wolverine, but she looked terrible in BvS.
>>84116590
After recently re-reading Watchmen I was able to place what was so unpleasantly jarring about the film's visuals - in the book, aside from Manhattan himself, there is virtually no sign of the colour blue. All the movie's publicity images are smeared with it, what thought was behind that conscious decision?
>>84115035
SAVING PEOPLE IS BORING YOU RETARD
SUPERMAN IS ABOUT CHRIST SYMBOLISM
>>84117164
Just like BvS then
>>84116519
Fuck that, you break into my house and start grabbing shit, you're gonna get shot. And thankfully I live in a state where it's 100% legal
>>84115920
There's a little bit of blood during the "Batman murders a bunch of mooks in a warehouse" scene when Bruce throws a crate at a dude's head.
That's it.
I put this on my tablet to watch on my plane ride tomorrow. I haven't seen the original cut.
Is it worth watching the original to appreciate how much better this one is, or am I better off skipping it?
It's a gloomy day off and I'm already spending it in bed.
>>84119818
Just skip the original theatrical release.
>>84115013
Torrent when?
>>84119900
You're not very smart, are you?
Yeah, it was still shit.
Glad some of you are enjoying it though.
>>84116074
They haven't really addressed Hawkeyes past. He's got a family and he's done a lot of black ops work, but that's all you know.
I actually watched it
I was reserved about the movie. Would have probably rated it a 5 or 6 out of 10
The UC is easily an 8/10, maybe more
- The whole Africa subplot is literally completely different, and the running fallout with the african woman completely alter the progression of the film. The movie simply does not work without this stuff.
- All the added scenes with Clark help. Him doing his job and wanting to make a difference as a reporter before realizing only a fist will stop Batman. Him calling his mom for comfort. That god damn Senate bombing aftermath, HOW WAS THAT CUT.
- Lois actually feels like she belongs in this cut, the whole flow of the story and how she fits into it works way better.
- Editing is way better, lots of little scene extensions just help the pace of the movie.
- Empty Metropolis after Superman dies, MoS priest at Clark's funeral.
Really there is a lot to list, but it's just a WAY better movie. It's still dark as fuck, and some won't like that, but the film itself is vastly improved.
>>84119928
Nope.
So is there a torrent?
>>84120018
No. They've got some kind of weird DRM on DVDs now.
>>84116211
Batman won't kill because I think he psychologically can't. Intellectually he knows that if he does, he's crossing the last line that can be crossed and he'll become what he fights completely. Psychologically, though, think about it. His motivation is seeing his father and mother murdered in front of him, killed. His father was a doctor, somebody who saves lives and doesn't hurt others.
Superman won't kill because generally he doesn't need to. For the most part, he's more than capable of settling his villains and problems without crossing over the line. But if you do push him into the corner, if you give him no other choice, he'll come out swinging and he'll come out to kill you. Thing is, if he kills you, he'll hate himself, he'll feel guilty, he'll do what he can to avoid it, but if he has to do it, he'll do it, and he'll ultimately learn to get over it and move on, because unlike Batman, he's not fucked in the head, he's a good person. Also, he's killed aliens and so on before, it's mostly humans he has a hangup about because he sees himself AS human.
And Wonder Woman, since that's two out of three already? Well, we all know about her.She really fucking hates necks.
Needed more LexCorp Tower
>>84115058
He's still an autist whose motive is fedoracore teen rage, they just showed more of his plan.
>>84120031
Oh that sucks maybe I'll just buy it or get it on netflix or something
>>84116409
>Batman tried to be good by defeating what he believed was the biggest threat to humanity that ever existed. But he has no one to love him, so he keeps descending into the darkness and starts killing. Once he was able to accept that Superman is good, he was able to reclaim his goodness.
>>84120063
>New shot of Lex looking over to Gotham waiting for Batman to snap.
I really liked the expanded material for both Clark and Lex. It really helped both their characters.
>>84119996
I noticed MoS priest guy. Doesn't that kind of mean that he knows that it's Superman in the box, and not just Clark Kent? Or did he always know from MoS who Clark was? I don't think it was ever said where his church was before now.
Liked seeing Pete Ross there, too.
>>84116350
>it has literally recreated its own brand in the eyes of countless casuals who could have given a fuck about any of these characters prior.
So has highschool musical. So has justin bieber. So has kidz bop.
>>84120156
Clark's secret ID won't much matter when he comes back anyway thanks to the open casket funeral.
>>84120067
I felt it was just an extension of the impotency inherent in Lex's archetype.
>>84120151
I already liked this Lex, and this cut doesn't fix my main problem with him - that being the delivery of some lines, but it did add some nice stuff.
Even if it's a few spare seconds of him admiring Kryptonite some more, or how his dad used him as a propaganda tool.
>>84120094
I love it when people's nonexistent children comment on things for people to make twitter posts about.
>>84120231
>I felt it was just an extension of the impotency inherent in Lex's archetype.
I feel like you're trying to force yourself to enjoy a bad acting performance by justifying it after the fact.
There are a million better ways to have a Lex Luthor character be mad that he can't measure up to a flying superstrong alien than "daddy hit me and god didn't stop him so fuck anything that vaguely reminds me of religious figures"
>>84120280
Nah, I sorta liked the peformance, for the most part, during the fact.
I just hated how spazzy he got.
But the whole equating Superman to god and the rant about power, felt like it came from a sound place.
And really, though, it's not about religion but power. The whole Prometheus speech telegraphed how he felt powerless even though he sees himself as the smartest around.
The whole "and now god bends to my will" line is him finally rectifying that.
I found a potential (but kinda insider-y and mundane) easter egg in the BvS ultimate edition. In pic related, the name tag to the top left is "Jay Oliva", whose name i recognized from directing the recent not-so-great DC animated movies. Apparently he worked on BvS too according to his wiki
>>84120349
dat ass
>>84120347
>I just hated how spazzy he got.
See, I seriously feel like asking "when was he not spazzy?"
I couldn't stand every fucking little inflecton Eisenberg went for. The pitch of his voice constantly going up, the "depend upon the kindness of monsters" like with the southern accent, the muttering loon moment at the party...he KEPT finding some new way to be obnoxious and childish in EVERY scene.
He was literally playing "the loser nerd teenager who gets bullied a lot in school" despite the fact that the actor is a grown-ass man and the character is a public figure who gives speeches. Like are we supposed to believe he inherited Lexcorp yesterday and the library charity thing was the first time he's ever been in front of a crowd with a microphone? If so, that seems like exposition you might want to put in the movie.
>>84120347
You have objectively bad taste
>>84120377
couldn't help but stare at amy adams cleavage whenever it was on screen
Where can i watch this online?
>>84115013
If the Superman vs Batman fight was left exactly as it was in the theatrical cut, then it's still shit.
The whole hype for your movie was the fight and ya blew it with a one-fucking-sided fight that only raging Batgod retards would like.
>>84120442
I guess where I draw the difference is the excitability and the sort of petulant side.
When he's flailing about that's what I couldn't really get into.
But when he quieted down and let things...roll into his favor, I thought that had a good groove.
Like right as he lets Senator Finch walk into his trap or pushing Lois off the building.
I've said something to this effect before in explaining why I dug this Lex, but it boils down to I can stand the the goofiness as long as he's petty and pathetic.
>>84116514
Born Again isn't a Deconstruction. If anything it reaffirms the importance of being a superhero. Just because it examines the underlying causes and motivations of the genre doesn't make it a Deconstruction. It's only when that analysis is there to show why the fundamental assumptions and elements of the genre are flawed.
>>84120240
Sometimes kids really do say some powerful shit. But yeah I don't trust twitter on that front.
>>84120665
Lex is always characterized in the comics as a sociopathic misanthrope who really just wants to rule the world and control people like the sheep he thinks we are.
This Lex is just not as good as covering it up as comics Lex, and I'm okay with that. In public appearances people would brush off the awkwardness as just him being a kid genius, and it isn't until you see him one-on-one that people realize that it comes from barely-concealed contempt for everyone around him.
>>84120783
I wish that he had some of that, it would have made some of the really, very, Lexy-y shit he was saying work so much more.
Enough was there for me to let it slide for the most part, something aided with the added little bits.
Standing ovation. Every new scene praised. Over 98% of approval in my facebook group. Are you nya~sayers about to be proved wrong again?
>>84115013
Yeah, but the third act is still an eye sore
If you could just remove Doomsday this would be an infinitely better movie
Is the ULTIMATE cut for BvS not going to be available on DVD?
On Amazon, it says Ultimate Edition Blu-Ray + DVD Combo Pack but doesn't mention what the DVD version contains.
When I check the DVD only version, it says "Special Edition" instead of Ultimate Edition.
Is the fight the same in this cut?
Lex will continue to be divisive
But the movie itself really is a huge improvement.
There's this scene where an effigy of Superman is being burned, and this mother and child are seeing it on tv and you can see the child is distraught and cant understand why people are now against Superman.
It's a very dark story and really puts Superman through the ringer in a lot of ways, and clearly that's made many uncomfortable, but I think it's a huge testament to Supermans goodness. The UC really does a much better job characterizing who he is and how the world seems to be swallowing him whole in it's cynicism, yet in the end he still rises above it, even at the cost of his own life.
His death feels much more meaningful in the UC, and the idea that Batman has been inspired by him really shines through IMO.
>>84120918
There's one more scene where Superman throws Batman into an alley and Batman punches Supes a bit more too but overall it's the same
>>84120935
Yeah, Superman's death is probably the biggest improvement outside of the whole Africa plot with Lex.
>the shot of Metropolis, empty
;_;
>>84116409
>no he doesn't
Dude
He arrives at the warehouse hailing machine gun fire on the guards outside
Then he kills the guy he hurls the crate into, you see his blood spattered on the wall, you don't come back from that
He kills the guy he punches extremely hard in the head into the ground so hrd the floor breaks where his head lands
We don't even know what he did to the guy that stabbed him who he stabbed back. I'm probably even forgetting some things
>>84120954
Then it's still trash.
The number one problem I have with Snyder's movies is that he doesn't characterize the environments more. Gotham and Metropolis may look different, okay, but we spend so little time exploring the differences between them that they both just end up feeling like generic cities. He misses opportunities to incite nostalgia by establishing locales in one atmosphere early in the movie and then revisiting them later on in completely different atmospheres. With his visual acuity, I feel like if he paid attention to this stuff, he could make an amazing movie.
>>84120935
Kind of sucks that they cut the theatrical release to focus more on Batman, but considering he is much more wildly popular I guess they figured it would pay off better.
>>84121000
Trips confirm killer Batman.
Also the flamethrower dudes bite it, don't they?
>>84116107saved
Is this version legit?
https://gameofbay.org/torrent/15128083/Batman_v_Superman_Dawn_of_Justice_2016_Ultimate_Edition_1080p_WE
>>84121000
About the best I can say with that scene is that he's answering lethal force with lethal force in self-defense, but yeah if they wanted to emphasize that Bats had changed for the better, having him immediately put down a room full of mooks by such efficiently brutal means was not really a good way to show that.
>>84121051
I'm willing to forgive it, if only because it was probably the best part of the movie.
Sad that watching Batman take down a bunch of literal nobodies is way more exciting than the title fight the movie was named after.
>>84115452
Not that anon but I've felt that way sometimes. It seems as though /threads do exist at times and people only respond if they can argue. I guess that's the good thing about 4chan. The consensus or any sensible response is dropped so discussion continues. It's why if you have a solid opinion you should spin it into bait if you want your (You)s
>>84121013
I agree with this. It's something the viewer may not realise but it's happening (or rather, NOT happening) and affecting the experience. It really gives his stuff this SW prequel trilogy feel of somewhat awkward actors standing in front of green screens.
>>84121013
for what it's worth the UC has a lot more moments of establishing the scenes and environments.
Best example is the intro to Gotham before Batman brands the criminal that is completely missing in the theatrical cut. Or stuff like Clark talking to citizens in Gotham. You get a much better sense what a shit hole the city is.
>>84115605
Stop defending obesity.
>>84115605
The irony is that "gross" means "fat".
Definitely an improvement over the theatrical cut. Stuff just makes more sense, especially in regards to the Senate & Africa situations. I liked the theatrical cut enough to give it a 6.5 or 7/10, but this was probably closer to an 8.
>>84115013
It's much, MUCH better.
Everything on the Superman side is way more fleshed out and the character's motivations feel more natural somewhat. But most importantly, the fucking editing improved if you can believe it. The pacing is better, and it doesn't feel as tiring as the other cut does, even though this one is half an hour longer. Go figure.
That being said, it's not that good. There's only so much that a different cut can do.
The end fight is still a mess, Gal Gadot is still a bad choice for Wonder Woman (both in physique and acting ability, she gets overperformed by Henry fucking Cavill of all people), the "twist" or whatever you want to call it is still the most anti-climactic thing, the JL cameos still feel rushed, and the CGI didn't improve a bit (I realize that last thing is basically impossible without investing a lot of money, just mentioning).
What I don't understand is, how is this exactly R rated? Is it the "what the FUCK do you want" scene with the cripple? Is it the completely skippable shanking scene? Because both of those could have been cut for the theatrical version with no problem, leaving in the Clark scenes.
>>84116036
>his whole arc is going back to not killing at the end.
Neither stated nor implied.
If the warehouse scene had not had any deaths in it, then I could buy this. But it has them in spades. Leaving aside blowing up KGBeast, you think the people he mowed down with the Batwing's machine guns outside are just gonna get back up? The dudes literally sitting on an explosion as it happens right beneath them?
>>84116159
>batman has killed in every other movie adaptation you tard
And a) And every time he does, Batman fans object strongly to it; however b) Most of them are still otherwise good or at least enjoyable movies, unlike BvS.
>>84121051
Maybe he hadn't changed yet. Maybe the change happened just at the very end of the movie, with Lex.
>>84122766
Neither said nor implied. The fact that he didn't kill Lex means only that he didn't kill Lex, nothing else. He didn't kill the sex trafficker either, but still mowed down people when chasing after the Kryptonite.
All it means to me is that Batman will not straight-up hunt you down and murder you while you're helpless. If you're between him and his objective, however, you're dead.
>>84122766
Convenient.
>>84122893
Well he does make a major decision, whether or not to leave his brand on Lex. In the moment when he decides not to continue that practice. That's pretty meaningful in my opinion, but I will admit that there's disconnect between that and the giant fucking smackdown he participates in immediately before the Doomsday fight.
