Where were you when Joyce realized she had to kill the ultimate parent; GOD?
What's happening?
>>84028106
Fuck off
I swear to god I am going to dox you, come to your flat and stab you to death with a screwdriver
>>84028106
Reading a better comic.
>>84028106
We Evangelion now
Why read a comic that you hate? What do you gain from it?
>>84028287
Do it. Save me from this hell.
>>84028567
Well.
>Bile Fascination
>Shameful waifus
>To parody it
>To critique it
>To think up amusing ways to make the author shit himself in anger
>To come here and enjoy the company of likeminded individuals who not only discuss the comic and its/its authors faults, but occasional engage in discussion regarding relevant issues
>Guilty Pleasure
>>84028567
We read it ironically
But Seriously, for me it was out of curiosity. For half of it, it's not that bad actually. It turns to shit when Becky shows up.
>>84028106
>Where were you when Joyce realized she had to kill the ultimate parent; GOD?
kek
>>84028106
Coincidentally, playing SMT.
...May a drawfag draw a crossover?
>>84028106
PTSD?
>>84028106
Do religious people actually do this creepy shit or is that just Willis exaggerating things because of how fedora he is?
>>84028106
I suppose Fourze, Mufasa, and every soldier that's ever died in combat are now inexplicably evil then?
>>84028736
what creepy shit are you referring to?
the "I will die for you Becky" thing?
there are crazy fuckers in every religion. most christians are normal.
>>84028736
I don't know how Willis' parents acted but I've never met a religious person in my life that went full Hitler about it. Odd eggs are found in every group.
>>84028771
>>84028792I was actually referring to the cult-like group chanting
>>84028736
They do. I wouldn'the be surprised if he got the lyrics from an actual hymn.
>>84028736
A little of both
>>84028736
They're called hymns
>>84028736
It's a group song pray. Church's do this all the time. Are you new to real life?
>>84028736
> Singing in a church
> Creepy
It's really not any creepier than posting on an anonymous image board.
>>84028769
Yes. Only assassins are free of sin
>>84028799
They're singing, mate.
Have you never been in a church?
It's an actual song, Methodists are super into it.
t. Methodist
>>84028567
Any one got that cap were Peter Parker is so angry he is almost enjoying it
>>84028799
>His religion doesn't sing
Top lame, anon. Find a fun religion.
>>84028841
>Have you never been in a church?
No. I imagine that's why it all looks so fucking weird to me. It was a genuine question.
Prediction: Joyce is going to turn into a gay atheist at the end of this comic.
>>84028799
they're singing m8, not chanting
you're supposed to be "filled with joy" at the thought of God and part of how you express it is singing.
most churches nowadays project the words by powerpoint onto a screen where everyone can see, but some are really old-school and still have hymn books in the pews. it's usually 3-4 songs, and then they get down to the pastor's message of the day.I went to a church where they spent a solid half hour on songs. the whole service was always at least an hour, sometimes an hour and a half. my attitude about going to church completely changes when the service is no more than 30-40 minutes
>>84028890
Well, people normally go to church at about 8 or 9 in the morning and don't leave until at least noon. One of the ways we fill the time is a sing-a-long.
>>84028890
There's a lot of singing in churches. Just exactly WHAT they sing depends on the denomination and/or how much money they have.
In Joyce's case, this appears to be one of those mega-churches who can afford a band and licensed music.
In Catholic and Orthodox churches, the songs are generally more traditional hymns.
>>84028567
I like making fun of it.
>>84028890
Oh, my apologies then.
Where I grew up, it's pretty weird to not go to SOME sort of church.
Though we did mock the Catholic kids endlessly.
For all the shit people talk about religion, they do a good job raising kids to be good people on the whole. There are always a few bad eggs, but most of the people who swalled some healthy religion turned out well because of it.
Religious schooling is a fucking nightmare, don't send your kids to that.
>>84028906
Thanks captain
Willis really needs to get over his childhood.
>>84028838
Joyce can never go to Disney's animal kingdom again
>>84028567
Well... the edits are pretty good.
>>84028736
>do nerds do this creepy shit or is willis exagerrating it because of how normie he is?
I ain't even religious, I just have family who is. Some people can be insufferable about it, some are hypocrites. Some, hand to fucking god, read between the lines and get that the whole system is meant to make you a better person who functions in society.
shit ain't perfect but it kept a roof over my head and some religious folk do charity so it's not all bad.
>>84028285
She's at church singing about how cool it is that god came down as Jesus to die for them and she's drawing parallels with Becky's dad who tried to kidnap her at gunpoint stating that he's willing to die to protect Becky from being gay.
>>84029022
>how dare you ruin her character by making her act like a real person?
>that's not how I designed Captain Wacky!
>>84029022
Pic not related, surely. That's an emotionless borefest worthy of QC or old school Ctrl+Alt+Del.
>>84029022
Too "Hallmark Channel". Needs more personality.
How about we have Becky flip the bird to her father as she talks about becoming a scientist? It doesn't have to be a specific field of study; just "a scientist" or "a fucking scientist" will do.
>>84028957
agree on all accounts. I don't think I'd have turned out to be the well-rounded person I am today without religion. I still consider myself christian but I'm figuring a few things out.
that being said, I did go through a really awful, bigoted phase. telling atheists they were going to hell and I'd pray for them, being super uncomfortable around gay people, etc. I see a lot of myself in Joyce when it comes to her feeling conflicted about what's right and wrong when it comes to her friends.
I did go to christian schools for a while, but they weren't so bad because they weren't boarding schools. we just went to chapel on wednesdays, prayed before snacks, and the teachers weren't afraid to answer questions about God.
>>84029062
Even though normally with story telling this would be an opportunity to have a struggle between what's right and wrong but since the topic issue, Becky, that it's Willis the end result will be "Christians are bad."
>>84029343
Religion is a finicky business. I grew up with a lot of questions about God, and nobody wanted to answer them with anything other than "have faith".
For a kid who wanted to be an engineer more than anything, that shit does not fly.
I'm still kinda reconciling my religious upbringing with what I "know" is true, what I can prove empirically to myself. It's hard to keep the fundamental concepts of the scientific method intect when talking about God, since religion places such an emphasis on a blind trust.
I dunno, anon. I really appreciate the values of community and tolerance that it inspires. The kindness and generosity of my church blows me away whenever I come.
There are just so many people that miss the point of the lessons, who use it as a soapbox for their agendas and abandon the concepts of social betterment.
What a can of worms. Thanks for reading my blog.
>>84028285
Advanced straw grasping
>>84028106
So this isn't an edit?
>>84028799
The weekly sing along is far and away the best part of Christianity. Even if you don't believe it fun and a great way to build community bonds
>>84029343
>that being said, I did go through a really awful, bigoted phase. telling atheists they were going to hell and I'd pray for them, being super uncomfortable around gay people, etc. I see a lot of myself in Joyce when it comes to her feeling conflicted about what's right and wrong when it comes to her friends.
B-but according to Christian doctrine Atheists will go to hell.
>>84029742
Yup, it's tomorrow's strip
>>84028567
It's fun to riff on it and it's asshole author.
What do you people gain from coming into these threads just to complain that they exist? Just ignore them. Nobody's forcing you to read them.
>>84029512
>I'm still kinda reconciling my religious upbringing with what I "know" is true, what I can prove empirically to myself. It's hard to keep the fundamental concepts of the scientific method intect when talking about God, since religion places such an emphasis on a blind trust.
Yep, exactly
>I dunno, anon. I really appreciate the values of community and tolerance that it inspires. The kindness and generosity of my church blows me away whenever I come.
There are just so many people that miss the point of the lessons, who use it as a soapbox for their agendas and abandon the concepts of social betterment.
Yep, exactly. This is why I'm so conflicted about having kids. On the one hand, I want to raise them with the same values I have now--but the only way I came to solid conclusions about those values was travelling a long, rocky road from literal interpretation of the bible to a more worldly view. I don't know if I can replicate that result with my own kids, and I fear that if I raise them without that "journey" of figuring things out, they'll end up shallow and their values won't hold when challenged.
Blog friends. :)
>>84029799
I think I missed the previous strip.
>>84029343
They will go to hell, don't worry
>>84029778
>B-but according to Christian doctrine Atheists will go to hell.
Jesus died for all sinners, anon. would God condemn someone who'd never heard his word, and thus never had a chance to form a belief in Him, to hell? I've reached the conclusion, "no". Jesus died for everyone. It doesn't matter if we think something is a sin or not. Jesus died for everyone.
>>84029512
>religion places such an emphasis on a blind trust.
Well that isn't true
>>84029821
it was a strip about Carla, Billy and Ruth yesterday so don't worry about it
>>84028799
You have never been to a church, have you?
>>84029838
Well that's new. I'm pretty sure acceptance of Jesus is a requirement for salvation.
>>84028285
IT'S THE
TRIGGERING
PATRIARCHY HAS RUINED EVERYTHING ONCE AGAIN!
>>84029413
I hope not. She stayed Christian in the original continuity and it wasn't presented as a bad thing. She just rejected more of the unkind and unreasonable parts of her fundamentalist teaching.
remind me
Joyce's mother is the only one who can't get over Becky being a lesbian, the rest of the church and her dad are fine with it?
>>84029930
>She stayed Christian in the original continuity
That was a different Willis.
>>84029996
It was only a couple years ago and he has Christian characters who aren't shits still, they just don't get much screen time because kind people are boring.
His only crime was not killing Becky when he had the shot.
>>84029778
Depends on the doctrine. Most denominations consider it more important to live a good life than to obey the letter of the bible.
Matthew 6:5-6
5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Fuck he's messing with some heavy theological shit here.
fuck ups gonna be great
>>84028736
That line is about how Jesus died for everyone's sake.
>>84028771
I don't see why a father saying "I will die for you" to his child is creepy. That's one of the things I would expect from a good father, to be willing to risk his life to protect his children. My sister feel from a moving tour boat (whale watching tour in Boston) when she was too young to know how to swim, and even though she had a life jacket on my dad dove into the water after her, without thinking. They both survived, luckily, and I know my dad would do it all over again.
Now, the reason Toedad is saying I'll die for you may be creepy, religious fanaticism and protecting his daughter from "bad influences", but still, Dads being willing to die for their children isn't creepy in my eyes.
>>84030144
>Now, the reason Toedad is saying I'll die for you may be creepy, religious fanaticism and protecting his daughter from "bad influences"
this is what I was referring to. the "I'll die for you" thing isn't a problem in and of itself
repostan.
so i don't remember all of the evil dad arc, he was irredeemable right? she won't be like 'he wanted to help but was crazy and had no idea how to so i pity him but cut him out'? she gets the power of parent's love? like that's part of the jesus thing too!
maybe this ends with her freaking out at parents over thinking they don't love her.
>>84029329
WILLIS IS IN THE THREAD
ABANDON SHIP
>>84030183
Man, this is tons better than DOA.
Kudos to you, dewd.
>>84030192
Honestly, the worst thing about the arc was that it seems like Joyce was more affected by it than Becky, and that's fucking retarded.
It occurred to me how the new strip is very ripe for exploitation.
An example will follow after this post.
>>84030183
Why is Black Joyce dating Fred from Scooby Doo?
>god is the villian
>>84030252
This is the example.
If you know how to Photoshop, you'll want to separate the blue to its own layer, sandwich what you want to fill in the fourth panel under that, and then use the Overlay layer style on the blue fill.
>>84030278
you son of a bitch
>>84028771
>being willing to die for your own child is creepy and religious
okay.
>>84028957
>Religious schooling is a fucking nightmare, don't send your kids to that
Nigga, Catholic Schooling is leagues above the retarded Public Schools
>>84030252
There could be good maymays made out of this.
>>84030336
they're both totally fucked in totally different ways. no need to compete
>>84030329
Depends on the context, lad.
>>84028106
This is wrong. Realistically she should have smiled more at the end, realizing how great of a dad she has.
>>84030446
That's not her dad. That's her friend's dad who held them both at gun point.
>>84030031
>They don't get much screen time
That's the only reason they haven't been ruined. Yet.
>>84030329
Forcing your child into a car at gun point before announcing your intention to die is pretty damn creepy
>>84030278
posted.
t. tumblranon
Also if someone has screencaps of Willis's reaction to Brexit that would be great.
>>84030634
Why do you have a crush on Willis? He's married.
>>84029813
That's why you should teach them philosophy, particularly the classical education of Greek and Roman philosophers that British kids used to be forced to learn.
>>84028715
Willis is exactly the kind of pleb who probably thinks it's all Persona 4.And I say this as someone who likes Devil Survivor.
>>84028106
>>84028680
Think of it as performing literary analyses as a group.
For me, I used to enjoy the comic, and it just kept going further and further downhill. I want it to be a good comic, but every time it fails to be anything other than a steaming turd, it's frustrating.
We just want to enjoy our trainwreck in peace.
>>84030867
What made it cross the line to un-enjoyable to you?
I ask as someone who still likes the comic while seeing that, yes, it has lots of problems.
>>84028567
we get to talk about how much better we are then those people who read our favorite comics and bitch about them on twitter
obviously
>>84030902
There was a point for me where it just felt like an exercise in misery. Nothing good had happened to the characters in forever, and it was just kind of exhausting to look at. Buuuuut I have a very strong sense of curiosity and couldn't help but go back to it after a couple of days.
I have a bit of an obsession with comics, pretty much with whatever I can find, so it's really hard for me to actually give a comic up.
The official moment when I realized I had to stop trying to trick myself into liking it was a strip where Willis doubled back over himself to ruin his own punchline. I'll go find it, but it was when Becky was inviting people to Joyce's dorm party and she's told to look out for Billie. She makes a dumb joke about Billie's alcoholism and runs into her. She gets a good follow-up to it, Beetlejuice-style. Then Billie says she was standing there the whole time. The Beetlejuice joke was great, but Joyce warning Becky and Billie saying that she was there the whole time just ruined a perfectly good punchline. Willis just tries so, so hard to be clever and always ruins anything that could be funny.
I posted on a forum about wanting to quit reading it originally, when I realized the strip was too depressing, so I'm going to go check the date stamp on there and digure out when that was. And I'll go find the Beetlejuice strip while I'm at it.
>>84030851
Mary is CUTE
>>84028736
There are some that do, but those have gone so far off the deep end that they will ignore significant amounts of the religion to justify their own hate.
>>84030266
What software did you use for this?
>>84031268
Oh hey that was my drawing.
>>84031416
Thanks again for fulfilling the request.
Posting hymns for anons who aren't familiar with the concept. I should note beforehand, all of these videos are hilariously cheesy, because they were almost certainly made by church leaders with no concept of cool.
Here's the one they're singing in the comic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwjTT2bqKk0
Also, I'm starting with the American christian rock type stuff, since that's what I grew up with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbqPQkH5HYA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU0MwNpRq6M
Standing back a little, the tune for this one does sound a little cult-like. Still one of my favorites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyHvO4xoEh4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5YtARA6fZQ
Last one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xRWWG2Wuds
>>84028736
The singing? It's a celebration thing, kind of like a group prayer that's meant to be fun depending on whether it's more of an upbeat song or a hymn. Basically it's meant to celebrate God through song and while it's kinda weird in a modern context it's a pretty traditional thing. That being said, musical worship has never really resonated with me and I can't really understand how some people can get so into it.
>>84028803
It's an actual song. A little close to christian rock than a hymn though.
>>84031618
I think music just resonates with some people. You seem similar stuff at non-christian concerts, too. Personally, I couldn't get in to the freeform structure of it all, and much prefer the really rigid traditional structure and hymns you find with old churches.
>>84031198
>There was a point for me where it just felt like an exercise in misery. Nothing good had happened to the characters in forever, and it was just kind of exhausting to look at.
That sounds like criticism I've seen for Funky Winkerbean from places outside of /co/.
>>84028957
>Religious schooling is a fucking nightmare, don't send your kids to that.
I went to a christian college and fuck that was a mistake. First year was enjoyable enough since I was still excited about college but by the second year I had figured out that most of the students, while nice, were judgemental and extremely sheltered and considered me an oddity for going to public school.
I did really enjoy the animation program though and since most of the animators are already weirdos they tended to be the most normal people at the school.
>>84031198
>>>84030902
Okay, so I did some digging and figured some stuff out.
I made a post about wanting to quit the day that this was posted: http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/03-the-butterflies-fly-away/commandments/
This is not long before Toedad shows up. That was the point where I just started feeling like I wasn't up to reading about college drama, but that was very situational. I was teaching English 100 at that point and was in a pretty bad depressive episode. But I realized around here that I couldn't tell if I didn't like it because I was depressed or if I just didn't like it anymore.
It helped me to start looking at it a little more critically, because I had a VERY full plate and didn't want to waste time on a comic that, at the time (since I was teaching actual freshmen) felt incredibly petty, especially with how some of my students were behaving.
This January, I posted some snark about Willis enjoying the suffering of his readers and was told that I should probably take a break from reading it if I was getting stressed out by it.
Here's the strip that ran that day: http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-6/02-that-perfect-girl/meetcute/
And this is the one where he ruined a perfectly good (if a bit stupid) Beetlejuice joke: http://www.dumbingofage.com/2015/comic/book-5/03-the-butterflies-fly-away/shaping/
It was infuriating that he was trying to fit like 3 punchlines into one strip.
I took a few days off and ended up coming back out of morbid curiosity. I started just looking at it one week at a time, more or less.
Then, recently, I got fed up with it and checked to see if I could blow off some steam here. I think it was during the Carla/Mary arc since it was getting so ridiculous and childish and all of his readers loved it to the point of absurdity.
For context, I started reading DoA during its first week, so I've watched it slowly go downhill from a reasonable slice-of-life comic to an unending drama machine.
>>84031416
Who's the bee girl?
>>84031896
I have no idea, it was part of the request so I just drew her.
>>84031896
Some inflation fetish OC.
>>84029840
That's literally what faith is.
>>84028560
Joe/Joyce porno?
>>84032110
You're mostly right. I'm not that anon, but in general Christians aren't a big fan of describing their trust in God as being blind. There's nothing that says you shouldn't search out the answers yourself, and I have a lot of distaste for Christians who answer any question about their theology with "faith." I ran into the same thing as that anon as a kid, where people just didn't have the answers, and it was maddening. My parents were better about it, and openly admitted when they just didn't know the answer, which sort of propelled me to just go look it up myself. The internet has been great in that regard.
>>84028799
It's a hymn by Charles Wesley (early English Methodist and songwriter) called "And Can it Be (that I should gain). This is it being performed on the BBC programme "Songs of Praise", which is nothing but hymns
>>84031614
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>>84031506
Is this really common? It's always more... solemn, I suppose, when I go to church.Could be because of the Nuns.
I really like this one that's regularly sung at the Festival of Remembrance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvouc8Qs_MI
>>84032267
>Is this really common?
Yeah, hugely. Pretty much all American protestants worship this way. I'm not as much of a fan, which is part of why I switched to Episcopalian.
>>84032302
Good Lord.
htts://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofp6rdAgRrY
>>84032534
We can't all afford a full orchestra m8, but every town's got some college kids with a guitar and a set of drums.
>>84032563
Oh I know. We've got a barely working organ and a choir that's more enthusiastic than skilled. I just like that one and it was linked on youtube.A version was played at my Mum's funeral along with Thine Be The Glory.
>>84032618
My mom made me promise we'd play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZQxH_8raCI at her funeral. Americans are actively anti-traditional.
>>84031835
>For context, I started reading DoA during its first week, so I've watched it slowly go downhill from a reasonable slice-of-life comic to an unending drama machine.
The way you say it makes it sound like Willis went full Funky Winkerbean
>>84032700
The irony being Willis hates Funky Winkerbean
>>84032700
That's honestly what it felt like to me.
It started off with just all the characters interacting in normal college situations--class, dating, and all that jazz.
I was fine even through the rape attempt and a lot of the other shenanigans, because I could justify a lot of it. Then Becky came and proceeded to be more annoying than Walky, and it was like she brought the Funky Winkerbean with her. Nothing good has happened in-universe since she showed up.
It has been ridiculous soap-opera drama since then. There were at least moments of levity in between stories before, but it has mostly been tragic and depressing.
And before anyone says that Dina's storyline wasn't depressing, don't forget that she KNOWS that Becky is still hung up on Joyce, yet she is heavily depending on her for social interaction.
>>84032844
Something like this seems to happen in most of his comics. I don't actually read DoA, because I dropped Shortpacked after Malaya was introduced. Completely insufferable.
>>84032700
funky's good tho
>>84032700
>I've watched it slowly go downhill from a reasonable slice-of-life comic to an unending drama machine.
Willis just can't help himself. This is the 3rd time it's happened in his webcomics.
>>84030033
I'm ashamed of not picking up on this earlier, but deceptress isn't a word.
How long do we have before Joyce goes full fedora? Will there be anything to redeem DoA at that point?
>>84030634
>Willis's reaction to Brexit
the fuck does he have to do with it? He's American.
>>84033033
He's got no reason to changes he's surrounded himself with a gang of sycophants who can't tell the difference between mature and edgy. I expect he will just keep grinding out the same shit until he finally drops dead while pleasuring himself with a gen1 Optomus Prime
>>84033201
And while pee-y and poop-y and barf-y.
>>84028106
>instead of realizing that your dad, for all his flaws, still loves you enough to sacrifice his life and well-being to try and save you
>now think that anything associated with that all-encompassing, self-sacrificial love is in reality evil and controlling
What makes this extra tragic is that I know several people who have gone this way. Christians are first and foremost called to be Christ to those around us, and fucking that up leads people to a mistaken example of not just what it means to be a Christian, but what the Christian concept of God IS.
I can't even bitch at Willis for this. This is probably the exact same shit he went through in real life.
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>>84032663
All these Christian songs, and you don't link the very best?
For shame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w2b033DXCw
>>84033197
Because it's the beginning of the end for us all.
>>84033230
This is a completely ridiculous rendition of a really good song.
>>84033197
Yeah but given how moviebob had a massive twitter meltdown and both Jeph Jacques and Dobson have been crying, I figured there'd be some funny self-righteous indignation from Willis to have a laugh at.
>>84033230
>Christian praise and worship songs
Get on my level.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrF1ylQQZyc
>>84033285
I can't even figure out why they care. Is it just tribalism? Like, the people I generally agree with globally just lost, I'd better be sad.
>>84030634
>>84033197
Not that guy, but it doesn't matter if he's American or not. Everybody has an opinion on the Brexit.
I don't have screencaps, but I can greentext because that's lazier.
>2016: the year white people started freeeaaaaking the fuck ouuuuuut
>22nd century textbook: oh hey remember the years leading up to 2046 when white people stopped being the majority and they just effin LOST it
>(22nd century textbooks will actually say that because between then and now mexico reclaimed texas)
>RT @damnyouwillis 22nd century textbooks will be oral histories of the atomic end of society, passed down from survivor to mutant-children
>ha ha ha, those 2016 tweets brought other whitey-mcwhite-whites to yell at me
>
>i'm a "cuck" in 5.... 4... 3... 2...
>RT Meanwhile India is just blown away that you can get Britain to leave by voting
>RT 'Brexit' to be followed by Grexit. Departugal. Italeave. Fruckoff. Czechout. Oustria. Finish. Slovakout. Latervia. Byegium.
Okay, this one's pretty funny. But again, it's a Retweet.
>RT A quote to remember for the rest of forever: A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.
>just label the lady "LEAVE" and the dude "UK" and you have your political cartoons for the morning, you're welcome
>http://outofcontextmaryworthpanels.tumblr.com/post/146270536243
>really wish #brexit were the breakfast nutritional supplement product it sounds like
>RT I swear to fucking god, this better just be an INCREDIBLY poorly-planned promotion for the new Independence Day film.
>because of dumbing of age's sliding timescale, jason now decided to come to america to escape britain's burning husk
>"why are there so many brits in dumbing of age's math(s) department?"
>well, the british isles, mortified, fell into the sea suddenly
And that's it.
Christians creep me out. Religion isn't supposed to be joyous.
I'mJewish. We don't sing, we mumble.
>>84033342
>catholic idolatry
every time
>>84033371
You guys are still waiting, though. The savior came and did his thing, what's not to celebrate? Messianic Jews get it.
>>84033376
>not venerating the Blessed Mother
>>84033357
>Everybody has an opinion on the Brexit.
I don't know enough about international trade to comment on that situation. I heard good arguments for and against leaving,and now that they've committed to it, I think the most necessary thing for Americans is to continue to support them as partners in trade and foreign policy security
>>84033396
>claiming anyone but God is without sin
>>84033227
I'm not sure we need to read that deeply into it. It could just be that the words of the song remind her of the traumatic incident she suffered. I understand that's often how it goes, perfectly innocuous thibgs gain powerful negative associations that be hard to shake off.
>>84033395
Chabad thinks Rebbe Scheerson was the Messiah, and they still mumble like the rest of us.
>>84033349
It's a bit of a double-edged sword, but for the most part people seem to be compressing the complexity of the issues to xenophobia and anti-Communism.
>>84033430
Let me rephrase that: Everybody who thinks their opinion matters (when, of course, it doesn't) has an opinion on the Brexit.
New page.
>>84033444
Ah yeah, I can see that. I remember going to my grandfather's funeral when I was thirteen, and they played "How Great Thou Art" when bringing forward the casket. Great hymn, really joyous subject material, but man it was years before I could hear that song without tearing up.
>>84033450
They can't really think that that's the only thing it does, though, can they? That's such a simplistic view of the issue, and ignores the majority of the Leave campaign's arguments.
>>84033442
>>84033396
>>84033492
good demonstration of value
>>84032942
I would say that Funky's better than its regular complainers make it out to be. But really the observation is more due to what >>84032786 says though.
>>84033518
>That's such a simplistic view of the issue,
Welcome to modern political commentary. If you can't condense your position down to a 140-character tweet or an image macro on Facebook, no one is going to bother reading or understanding it.
>>84033536
Pictures of anime girls displaying various emotions are how I pay tribute to the tradition of slaughtering heretics my ancestors fought for.
>>84032267
>because of the Nuns
I dunno, man. I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school for 10 years and for the most part our music was pretty lively, save Lent. A lot of it depends on who's directing the music, though, all the youtube version I can find are way slower than I'm used to. I still remember a ton of them even though I don't go to church anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE_Ei6JRl1o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbNXqjwh8is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYL7KrYnfL0
>>84033568
I've just always assumed that, beyond that, people still recognized that the issues were bigger than they could get across so succinctly, and were just using that to drive points home. Politicians don't actually believe that soundbites cover the whole issue, but they use them anyway.
>>84033197
>He's American.
Therefore he has an opinion on everything whether or not it concerns him.
>>84033430
All day I've been hearing all kinds of hysterical crazynesss. Never thought I'd have to come to /co/ for a sensible respons
>>84033607
>Lord of the Dance
mah fuckin nigga
>>84033607
Hooray for the vaguely-heretical lyrics of post-Vatican II songs.
I grew up on a lot of those too, but as I've gotten older, I've gotten a taste for more traditional songs.
Still have a soft spot for this one though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7FbycDXxXk
>>84033669
Man, this thread is just full of the good stuff. It's amazing how many amazingly good songs you can pick up after a couple millenia of collective songwriting.
>>84033610
Um no that's the problem the campaign was almost entirely fought on emotional grounds with very little effort to convey the real complexities.
This has American leftists worried because they see Trump using the same strategy and he is much much better at it than they are
>>84033750
Honestly, I'm not sure how Remain could have fought on any ground other than emotional. Their only real argument is that no one knows what will happen when the UK leaves. It's purely based on the fear of the unknown. Leave at least got to point out all of the ways the UK could benefit from not being subject to an unaccountable group of politicians from other countries.
>>84033607
>A lot of it depends on who's directing the music
This is definitely true in our case, the current prioress is a lot more staunchly traditional and as they had their organ refurbished and a classically trained pianist/organist as part of their community they go for a grander sound these days. Some years ago they had a more sandals and happy-clappy boss.
They're generally lovely people but they prefer to be left to their own devices most of the time, which is fair enough given its an enclosed order.
>>84033342
Amen, bro/sis/yr holiness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-Yi-WGG-6c
>>84033808
I got into this conversation with my aunt and uncle and they both said that they wanted Britain to stay despite the EU's problems to "stick it out".
>>84033750
As a leftist I hope trump wins. Trump and Clinton are both comic book supervillain levels of evil, I'd rather my side doesn't get blamed for the impending apocalypse.
>>84033857
I keep trying to figure out how you guys actually nominated someone more openly corrupt than Nixon. You're right, though, we're gonna get fucked. I'll vote third party, but this is going to be a bad term, almost certainly.
>>84033857
Funny, I'm a conservative and I'm pretty much that way at this point with Hillary.
Whoever wins, we're fucked. The main fight at this point is going to be over Senate/House positions, and it's unclear how much Trump or Hillary is going to impact those races right now.
>>84033890
Because she owns the party. Look at the delegate distribution, she has every superdelegate. It's the most blatantly unfair primary ever.
>>84033890
> I'll vote third party
Fuck at this point I'm writing in a vote for an extinction-level meteor impact because I can't even bring myself to support the Libertarian ticket.
>>84033926
I know a lot of republicans who were rooting for Hillary, partially because Bernie was perceived to be a weaker candidate in a general election, but also because they just wanted to see someone upend the apple cart on the Dem's side.
>>84033837
The 80s/90s had some fun contemporary Christian music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuFvhjEO0Ao
>>84033942
Vote sanders damn it. He still has a chance if people are pissed enough.
>>84033942
Johnson's not perfect, but he was a good governor. He's good enough for me, I guess. I don't know.
>>84033965
>rooting for HIllary
Fuck, meant "rooting for Bernie"
>>84033980
This is not even remotely true. There has never been a more delusional fanbase than Sanders supporters.
>>84033982
Eh, I've heard some analysis on his fiscal spending during his time as Governor to cast some suspicion on his claims of keeping the budget in balance. I also don't really like the Libertarians' severely isolationist foreign policy stances.
>>84034020
He's not really even that isolationist in comparison to other politicians. He's a non-interventionist, but that's about it.
Mostly, I feel certain that between him and every other candidate running, he's the most likely to balance the budget, reign in the NSA, and reduce burdensome regulations. You vote for whoever is most likely to represent your top issues.
>>84033808
It's actually semi-rational if you look at it from the perspective of all those ex-Labour voters in the North or the ex-lib-dem agricultural areas in East Anglia - they've been let down by nigh on thirty years of politicians who've all promised to do help make things better and it hasn't noticeably improved. In some ways its actually got worse, in part because immigration has meant there's a lot more competition for a dwindling number of low skilled jobs. That drives prices down at a national level, which does the economy some good, but does sweet FA for ordinary people. Given that the status quo fucks them over, why not vote out? Could it really get any worse? Osborne, Cameron and the other elites can say its the apocalypse all they like, they've been so untrustworthy in the past that its not worth believing. Not like Corbyn's any better, mind you. He was a Bennite anti-EU Labour man for donkey's years, but he jettisoned his principles to help keep the parliamentary labour party from stabbing him in the back (they're still going to get him anyway).
Its been really eye-opening watching supposedly left wing Guardian readers going into full on "FUCKING PLEBS" mode. What happened to solidarity with the workers, guys? You don't have to like them, but you should at least TRY and understand where they're coming from.
>>84034001
Vote third party anyway. Both primary candidates are a shit show. We have never had a stronger chance to create a third political party (5% of the national vote) than right now. And that will send a message.
>>84034091
I wouldn't be surprised if a large number of Republicans either break to make a Constitutionalist party, or join the Libertarians over Trump.I'd be one of them.
>>84034091
Yeah, I'm voting Libertarian. Sanders isn't even going to be running, though.
![2015-11-24-sweetie[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/kMegzxB.png "2015-11-24-sweetie[1].png")
>>84033227
>now think that anything associated with that all-encompassing, self-sacrificial love is in reality evil and controlling
>>84033444
>I'm not sure we need to read that deeply into it.
No, that's exactly it. Her mom said invoked the same die for you stuff in defense of someone who threatened her daughter with a gun.
Although the original case was definitely Ross perverting that idea so that he could threaten to do hurt Becky, Joyce and bystanders and feel justified taking the consequences (dying in a shootout with police). I'm not sure what Carol meant by it. I'm assuming she will use it to manipulate Joyce to her will before the trip is over, though.
>>84028287
Now that's edgy as FUCK.
>>84034106
depending on the political climate at the time I'll either write in sanders or vote green party. Stein got like 1.2% last time which is pretty good. The green party plan is just to break 5% so they qualify for federal campaign funding.
>>84033442
>implying anyone claimed as such
>>84028957
>Religious schooling is a fucking nightmare, don't send your kids to that
Oh fuck off, I went to a christian highschool and it was the best decision I made. Granted it was not catholic which is what most think of im sure.
>>84034069
The thing is there also seems to be a split based on age. Plenty of younger workers were for Stay, because of the feeling that Leave would fuck over their generation even more.
>>84034121
I don't get how people struggle to understand the complications of seeing a friend or family member do something reprehensible. Of course, Joyce's mom is going to do what she can to empathize with someone she knows personally. She still recognizes it was wrong, but she likes him personally and doesn't want to completely condemn him. It's like all those people made that that guys parents would fight for him, even though he obviously raped a chick. They're his fucking parents, what do you expect? That they're going to immediately disown him and throw him out on the street?
>>84034150
Go read the Ineffabilis Deus you ignorant mother fucker
>>84034166
Catholic school here, it's probably the worst private school option. Catholicism is more of a culture than a religion in some ways, and their children are poorly disciplined, in my experience.
>>84034166
I'm a little biased because I went to Catholic school from K-12 and had a pretty great experience. Only a couple of major complaints looking back on it now, first of all that our science department was woefully underfunded and chemistry and physics classes kind of sucked because of the lack of working equipment and materials.
Secondly, at the point I went to the school, it was pretty light on the "catholic" part and I wound up being forced to reteach myself a lot of stuff about Catholic doctrine and history on my own, when I went to college and for the first time was forced to account for my faith from people who weren't assumed to believe the same thing as I did. I stuck with being Catholic. A lot of people I graduated with didn't because they left the school with mistaken understandings and vague contradictions regarding what the Church actually teaches.
>>84034242
>and their children are poorly disciplined, in my experience.
I actually teach at a Catholic school right now. That's pretty much the opposite of what happens, although the threat of "if you don't shape up we can expel you" often can get the parents on board to actually take accountability for their kid's actions. But to take things that far is pretty rare in my experience.
>>84034259
>Only a couple of major complaints looking back on it now, first of all that our science department was woefully underfunded and chemistry and physics classes kind of sucked because of the lack of working equipment and materials.
>not devoting your resources to studying and teaching about God's creation
heathens.
>>84028957
Catholic grade & high school, it overall wasn't too different from the public school I transferred from other than weekly mass and required religion class. Hell, in high school I actually got better sex ed because they weren't required to be abstinence only.
>>84034259
I think Catholic religion classes are too light, honestly. They should be tackling the complicated apologetics as preparation for the outside world. I have a lot of issues with Catholicism, but their doctrine is impressive in its internal consistency.
>>84034322
The school as a whole is pretty strapped for cash, they had a big capital campaign several years back to try and fix some things around the school, like sponsoring an expanded music program and restocking/rebuilding the science department, but then the recession hit in 2008 and most of the money got eaten up by important repairs elsewhere in the building (new heating system, roof repair, etc).
>>84034356
>They should be tackling the complicated apologetics as preparation for the outside world
Such as?
>>84028769
GENTARO IS FOR FRIENDSHIP NOT EVIL.
>>84034356
Indeed, I wish those classes stressed the history of the church more because I learned a fuckton of things about Catholicism through my secular university classes for a religious studies minor that focused on just basic Judeo-Christian tradition.
It seems like a lot of conversion stories I've heard start out with "so I started to research the history of Christianity to prove Catholics wrong" and I wish more religious education programs took that tack to really explain the story of how we got here, rather than "this is how things are" and basic Bible study.
>>84034398
What happens to people who've never heard the gospel?
Why has the church abandoned only some of the Old Testament laws?
What did it mean for God to "harden the Pharaoh's heart"?
There's tons of stuff in Christianity that needs real critical thought, and Catholicism has some of the best resources in the world for approaching it.
>>84034181
True. It's tricky to generalise, and working out exactly what happened will take time.
I'm pretty sure a lot of Brexit voters have clammed up so as not to get tarred and feathered though, if they were ever open about it at all. The people I spoke to who were open about their intention to vote leave were either old enough or secure enough in their jobs to not give a shit or else so desperate to stick one to Cameron and friends that they wanted to send a message. Everyone else was really furtive. It was like trying to have a conversation between spies meeting in Cold War Berlin or something, it was weird.
>>84028106
What would be Joyce's team?
>>84034468
>Why has the church abandoned only some of the Old Testament laws?
I would love to hear this.
>>84034477
It's a bad culture for discourse, and it's just as bad in the rest of the west. We shouldn't be blackballing people for having a different opinion.
>>84034468
Science teacher here (I'm actually >>84034294 )
There is a difference between memorizing talking points and actually understanding the basis of those answers and how they have developed. I don't claim to be a canon lawyer, but I know enough about the major points of the Catechism to know where to look for answers if I hit one that I don't know off-hand.
More importantly than just having an answer to respond to those questions though, is being able to demonstrate those concepts in your own life and actions. God knows I've been in enough religious discussions here on the internet to know that providing the "correct" answer a lot of times isn't enough to convince someone else. Providing personal witness helps a lot more.
The issue here is not having students coming out KNOWING the correct answers, but not having impressed upon them the important of why they should be Catholic in the first place.
>>84034121
>I'm assuming she will use it to manipulate Joyce to her will before the trip is over, though.
she definitely will. allegedly it's what his mom says all the time when conversations aren't going her way
http://itswalky.tumblr.com/post/133847635397/i-dont-talk-to-my-mom-anymore-whenever-we-hadmy parents would do shit like this but it always in the context of dumb shit "Anon, my child, the one whom I gave life, the one who I would die for, please let me buy Boardwalk from you" fuck you mom, i gotta get paid
>>84034526
I don't know the full Catholic doctrine, since I'm not one of them, but I can explain it in part. They believe that in dying for our sins, Jesus fulfilled the promise of the Old Testament and rendered most of the old law, tied to the old covenant, moot. The greater question, that I can't answer, is how they decided which were still relevant to keep. Likely has to do with Paul.
>>84034526
>I would love to hear this.
There are different types of laws in the OT. Most of the ones that Christians are free to disregard are ritual temple laws. Since Jesus has come and created a new covenant, we can now access him and his grace in ways other than through temple worship, which obsoletes them.
At the same time, Jesus reemphasizes the laws that came down from God himself in terms of reorienting human beings towards their original purpose in creation. Hence why homosexuality and pre-marital sex are big no-nos still (they violate the institute and purpose of marriage as God ordained it in Genesis), but we don't stone people for adultery or sodomy (as we are called to forgiveness and reunification instead to address that sin and its consequences).
>>84034571
See that's where I'm convinced Christianity went wrong. Paul was clearly a charlatan.
>>84034539
While I agree with the sentiment generally, I've seen too many Catholic kids abandon their faith based on "contradictions" the Church has already addressed. I think the Vatican relied on pretty blind acceptance for a long time, and hasn't quite caught up to the modern era in the necessity to push a critical approach to the canon.
>>84034190
>That they're going to immediately disown him and throw him out on the street?
If Becky's development and Willis' personal stories are any indication, yes, he expects everybody to have each middle finger partially extended, ready to give anybody deemed a bigot the double bird before walking out of their life.
>>84034571
>Likely has to do with Paul.
If I remember correctly, this is from the Council of Jerusalem, which said that converts didn't have to be circumsized and didn't have to obey Jewish dietary laws.
This council was unique because most of the original Apostles attended and contributed to it, with Peter laying down the final decision.
>>84034611
I don't think he was a charlatan, I just think he was as fallible as any of us. I understand the Catholic church being willing to say that he had a special connection to God, but I think it's weird that Protestants will do the same thing, and then mock the Vatican for claiming that the Pope's official statements are divinely inspired.
>>84034613
Yeah my point was that they don't bother looking for those answers and instead just go for an easy out.
They don't understand why it's important to stay Catholic and don't invest the effort into learning.
When I got faced with some of those hard questions, I went "well shit, that's a good point, I wonder what Catholics actually teach about it".
> I think the Vatican relied on pretty blind acceptance for a long time,
It wasn't until fairly recently that they started printing the Catechism.
>>84034654
Paul was hugely influential on our understanding of the Early Church, but he's not the only early leader of the Church to have his writings canonized.
>>84034674
I know it was a long time ago, at this point, but the fight against printing the Bible in English has always seemed indicative to me of how the Vatican would like to run the church.
>>84034696
He's the main one Protestants will refer to, though, especially when justifying the argument against homosexuality.
>>84034699
I'm glad they decided to print this shit in the vernacular finally, but the general reason why they tried to keep it in Latin for so far was because they didn't want the problems with personal interpretation like what Protestants have. It was an ordeal just to get the Bible translated INTO Latin in the first place because when something is believed to be the divinely-inspired word of God, you want to try really, really hard to not cock it up.
Plus when you make it widely available, you don't want someone interpreting the Bible wrong and then trying to preach heresy as a result of that misunderstanding.
>>84034717
It's funny, most Protestants I hear arguing about homosexuality point to Paul's line about Homosexuality being an abomination, but most Catholic apologists go to Genesis first.
>>84028287
Dox me. I dare you.
>You won't because you can't do shit
>>84034699
Part of the argument there was that once you put down the text in a language any yahoo could read the yahoo in question could go and apply that knowledge without understanding or nuance, particularly if the yahoo in question wasn't working from a particularly well-translated source. It wasn't just about control, it was about preventing people perverting the Word of God and founding their own crazy cult
It also fed into long-running disputes between civic and ecclesiastical authorities, because of who owned what printing presses and what they were allowed to work on.
>>84034826
>It wasn't just about control, it was about preventing people perverting the Word of God and founding their own crazy cult
That IS about control.
Patreon strip released early.
>>84034526
As some other anons have said, there were different types of laws. Ritualistic laws applied to the ritual of sacrificial redemption which was done away with with Jesus. Then there were hygienic laws, meant to keep the people of the time healthy but can be largely ignored in modern society. And lastly there were spiritual laws which are the ones still observed since they specifically apply to how to live ones life. The trick is interpreting the reasons for the laws at the time. It's important to remember that the Bible was written in a very different culture for a very different time period so it gets tricky when you try to figure out how certain laws would apply in a modern context. Hell, one of Jesus' main points was about recognizing the intent behind religious laws rather than following them literally.
>>84034867
>>84034867
every fucking time
>>84034869
>Hell, one of Jesus' main points was about recognizing the intent behind religious laws rather than following them literally.
the parts of the gospel where he shat on the pharisees have always been my favorite
>>84034557
>Anon, my child, the one whom I gave life, the one who I would die for, please let me buy Boardwalk from you
kek, my mom does this
she also forms secret alliances with my brother and then gets pissy when my sister and I do the same
my dad has moved monopoly to a hidden spot in the garage, and there it will stay.
>>84028957
Catholic schools are generally better than Public around here, unless you live in the suburbs. Wife and I are shitty Catholics (both have dated members of our own gender, have gay and trans friends/don't think they're going to hell, pro-choice, etc) but our kids will probably go to Catholic school. We can deprogram the bigotry and not have to worry whether or not the kids will learn about evolution/other science shit because our Pope straight up said God is not a wizard and evolutionary scientists are right.
>>84029086
That "good" edit is basically a bad version of For Better Or For Worse.
>>84028106
So what Willis is saying here is that Toedad is the second coming of Jesus Christ.
>>84034526
Council of Jerusalem, as it happened in Acts 15
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+15
tl;dr Peter and crew met up to discuss it and Peter basically said 'Why should we ask them to uphold the law when we couldn't?', then they ironed out a new set of rules
>"The apostles and elders, your brothers,
>To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
>Greetings.
>24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
>Farewell."
>>84035099
>Wife and I [...]have dated members of our own gender
You have my interest. Do tell.
>>84035099
>God is not a wizard
HOW IS SOMEONE WHO CREATES A UNIVERSE FROM NOTHING NOT A WIZARD
>>84035353
I think it might have been a deliberately provocative post, similar to the act of drawing fish to a hook, but it's hard to tell.
>>84028736
Willis had a really fucked up religious childhood.
>>84028567
>>84034826
>It also fed into long-running disputes between civic and ecclesiastical authorities, because of who owned what printing presses and what they were allowed to work on.
Well shit I never heard that side of the story. Care to elaborate?
>>84029934
her dad is SORT of fine with it. hes mostly tolerating it because he trusts joyce, but he seems to be getting pretty pissed by everyone elses behavior.
the rest of the church isnt fine with it at all, theyre just not gonna say anything because she was literally just kidnapped at gunpoint. they ignore her when she speaks to them.
>>84028841
Do we now know Willis' original denomination???
>>84033357
Departugal and Czechout were pretty great, I have to give him credit.
DoA/Moral Orel crossover when?
>>84028978
If he doesn't have his suburban childhood angst, he has pretty much nothing to present the world.It's weird that between this and Something Positive, SP turned out to have grown and matured better.
Do we know WHY Becky's mom killed herself?
