why did they fail to become popular like the teen titians?
>>84025336
Uniforms.
>>84025336
I always liked them but then liefeld fucked them over with x-force.
>>84025441
This.
Didn't they used to sell really well like above PAD's YJ and whatever Titans incarnations was at the time?
>>84025336
>>84025336
I still find it weird that Wolfsbane interacted with the team in this volume at all
Not even in event crossovers that X-Force and X-Factor were involved in like Necrosha, Utopia, or Second Coming
>>84025336
Robot with speech impediment and Dictionaryman.
New Mutants was better, but it had a solid run under Perez, and continued to be scripted by Wolfman, while Claremont left after issue #54 and we had to put up with Simonson all the way until Liefeld started ignoring her scripts.
The fact that NM #98, which had an insane print run and is quite common, still fetches $100-$300, is proof enough that it was more successful than Teen Titans, but while New Mutants was largely carried by the art, TT was carried on the strength of its stories and the critical reception was far larger.
That said, Teen Titans had existed since, what, the 60s, back when the stable of DC titles wasn't as large. New Mutants came out during the expansion of the X-titles and thrived during the bloat of the 80s.
If you view X-Force as a rebranded New Mutants (at least true through Yost, but one could argue Remender also grew his run out of moral ambiguities of that run), then I'd say X-Force was more successful - it just can't translate well into a franchise with other media, because of its sensitive material.
>>84025336
everything with magik in it automatically sucks
>>84025336
because NOT MUH X-MEN
I love that there are no niggs on the team
>>84026394
Sunspot is black Brazillian
>>84025336
xmen = racism and prejudice
teen titan = government conspiracy and overshadowed by JL?
>>84026597
One has endless Sentinel and Purifiers episodes. Other have endless Trigon and Deathstroke episodes.
>>84025336
Is that super buff guy between Warlock and Magma supposed to be Cypher?
The problem with the New Mutants, as I see it is, that they have always been kind of shitty from a costume design standpoint.
The characters are interesting, the stories are amusing enough, but the look they have...
Liefeld taking over the art on the book was an improvement. That's not something I say lightly.
And comic book characters are always more popular when they're cooler looking. Venom got to be one of the biggest Spider-Man villains almost exclusively by looking cool.
>>84025336
Editorial said to infantilize them, then they eventually became X-Force. To better put it you started off with the next generation of X-Men, then you're told to make it "X-Men for kids", and then a new guy comes in and makes it "serious".
Inconsistent tones get inconsistent readers.
>>84025336
No tv show
>>84025336
They never were aimed at a mass audience, the comic was basically a Claremont containment board to work out his stranger kinks. Like insisting a fundamentally 60s sci-fi book about mutants with strange powers keep delving into fantasy-magical storylines.
Also, I thought Byrne was the primary closet pedo of the former pair but some of it must have rubbed off on Chris.
>>84027091
Yep, that's our muscle linguist.
>>84027143
These weren't so bad, it helps when a decent artist is available.
Lets not pretend that Teen Titans costumes were good.
>>84027308
Thats actually one of the better, less-busy renditions of Jericho, believe it or not.
Perez never saw a costume he couldn't improve by lots of pointless detail (Nightwing, Cyborg, Starfire, later Jericho). I'm still amazed he had a hand in Raven's design which is so clean and classical. Then they ruined it by going from dark purple/black to white.
>>84027335
>and people actually want this Cyborg "costume" to come back
Literally why?
>>84025471
X-Force didnt fuck them over.
X-Force decided the universe was wrong and then proceeded to "fix" it.
This is exactly why comics are the way they are X-Force happened.
>>84025336
>writer comes in and makes teen mutants
>leaves
>new writer comes in and makes their own teen mutants
>leaves
>new writer comes in and makes their own teen mutants
>leaves
>new writer comes in and makes their own teen mutants
>leaves
Teen Titans were mostly sidekicks banding together and you had a few new members rotating in and out. But the New Mutants lasted the longest in terms of being relevant outside of the original X-men teens.
>>84025336
They were popular initially. X-Factor happened and took away their entire purpose by killing Claremont's plans.
>>84025471
You have no idea what you're talking about. Sales slumped after Claremont left and Louise Simonson was writing the book. They jumped back up once Liefeld came on as artist which is what led to the book being relaunched as X-Force which remained a pretty popular book for most of its life.
>>84027308
Magik with the black body suit and red cloak/mask is pretty good but the rest are shit. The Titans generally had bad designs too, though, yeah. Perez is a great artist but a horrible costume designer.
Because they're Xmen
Also because they're not THE Xmen
Xmen is the most cucked series of all time
>>84025471
Nigga have you read that asgardian aec before liefeld came on the book? Shit was painful
>>84025640
Fuck off, talking shit about my waifu
>>84025633
#98 didn't get expensive until Deadpool blew up. That's a terrible metric for the title's success.
>>84027679
New mutants only had 3 writers ever and they maintained largely the same team from inception though inferno
>>84025336
The Teen Titans had Robin.
>>84028261
I kinda like Karma's costume, I think the green compliments her pink power signature pretty well
>>84028454
>Shitting on one of the best arcs
I bet you hated the Spirit Bear arc as well you pleb.
Not as sexy.
>>84028572
And then what happened after those three left?
>>84026394
Rahne is Scottish. That's basically white nigger.
>>84025525
Did she ever make up with Dani for the whole Elixer thing?
>>84027091
I love these comics
>>84027143
The graduation costumes were absolute shit. The black and yellow uniforms were great though.
>>84027268
>Never aimed at a mass audience
It was huge in the 80's. X-Men in general were huge in the 80's.
I'm not sure if they were bigger than the Titans, but they might have been.
Also yeah, New Mutants dripped with Claremont's fetishes. Dear god, the number of times someone was mind controlled into being evil and then wondering if they wanted to be evil the whole time...
>>84027308
The not-Scarlet Witch stuff almost works for Magick. The rest sucks. Dani should have some sort of leather jacket look if anything. Magma needs to look like a Greek goddess. Rahne...well, it sort of works that she wears something that looks like a generic costume. I doubt she'd care much about how she looked.
I remember Cannonball being a fan of Robert Heinlein. If they gave him some sort of retro sci-fi look I could buy it. Something Rocketeer like.
>>84028288
X-men is a sick dog that no one wants to take behind the woodshed and shoot in the head.
It's been a never-ending soap opera, and any attempt to progress it toward a thematic conclusion is kneecapped by the next writer.
>>84028607
It looks too ninja. Xi'an should wear something functional and practical.
>>84029188
The 90's.
>>84029188
The book ended and became x force.
It basically was Claremont through 54 issues, the Louise Simonson got it and with the exception of the cross overs which I am sure Chris and her husband wrote, made the book incredibly shitty just like x factor, and then Liefield came on and got Simonson kicked off, hired a need writer for 3 issues and then it became xforce
>>84025336
The X-men and the Fantastic four is in dire need of a Nu52 tier overhaul reebot.
But it will never happen since FOX will never let it go.
>>84025336
No overrated (but still pretty good) tv show.
New Mutants was more successfull than Teen Titans in the 80s
My question is how did Dani Moonstar get so obscure when she was one of the main characters of a very successful book?
>>84025336
I feel like they've been reasonably popular over the years. The Titans got a shot in the arm by having their own cartoon(s), though, whereas the New Mutants only ever got to play second fiddle to the main crew in Evolution and otherwise have little presence. One can't underestimate the effect that has on overall popularity and awareness.
Also, the frequent introduction of new "new" X-teams means the inevitable sidelining/diminished status of older "new" teams.
>>84025474
I like their late series uniforms (circa Inferno) pretty well.
Marvel cashed them in for the quick burn of Liefeld. Claremont's run (and Zeb Wells desu) are better than any Titans stuff though so that's ok.
>>84030041
There was nothing to cash in. When Claremont left the book went to shit and when Liefield came on board he was offered uncanny but instead he asked for the lowest selling x book which was new mutants
>>84026394
I have some bad news for you about Sunspot
>>84030110
The story I heard was he got New Mutants and nearly left it to write and draw Alpha Flight, but when that fell through Bob Harras gave him more control on NM to keep him happy throwing L. Simonson under the bus
>>84030305
Good. X factor and post Claremont new mutants were shit. Weesey is a shit writer
>>84030368
I disagree on X-Factor. She managed to make me care about the original 5 and those Walt Simonson issue are great
New Mutants was garbage though, the Bret Blevins art is the only good thing
>>84027268
I bet Illyana actually got wet from idea of becoming besties with her.
>>84029394
Because there's nothing much left to do with character that hasn't been done in New Mutants?
>>84030463
apparently Claremont had all kinda of Asgardian shit planned for her he didn't get to
>>84026608
>it's a Slade episode!
I'm okay with this
>>84029221
>I remember Cannonball being a fan of Robert Heinlein. If they gave him some sort of retro sci-fi look I could buy it.
That's kind of what he's wearing there. Just with more of a Robocop helmet.
>>84030505
Probably to turn her into horse and have lesbian sex with Hela.
