What went wrong?
Are they the best X-men team?
Surge is the only good one of that group.
>>83886197
No, they arent
>>83886197
new mutant syndrome.
Why are black mutants that aren't Storm so lame?
>>83886348
Because everyone wants to create the popular black male character that gets used forever in all adaptations so no writer actually bothers to use the others except maybe Sunspot and Bishop.
Who are they?
>>83886428
2004-era New Mutants. Their book relaunched as New X-Men after Morrison left the old New X-Men and it resumed its old title, X-Men.
>>83886428
you just accidentally summoned a storytime of issue #1
this is the era of Whedon's Astonishing X-Men as the flagship X-title
>>83886197
House of M happened
>>83886645
yeah also that. This was back when you could expand the mutant community.
>>83886197
House of M came and apparently the higher ups didn't let new mutants writers know in advance, so when it was over with they had a cast that was half depowered, their main plot point for the conclusion was actually broken.
Not even close to best X-Team
>tfw you wanna read more Emma frost but hate all the shitty X-kids beyond New Mutants
and then you got a lobdell to deal w.
>>83886822
Did he got his power back?
After avengers vs x-men, x-men editorial stopped pushing them as a team.
There werent part of WaTX support characters.
The only appeared in amazing x-men and that because Yost was writing that book.
Now elixir is dead and hellion is doing whatever in Atilan, i dont see them having a reunion anytime soon.
How did this happen ? New x-men had good sales, between 40k-50k until the last issue
more pls
>>83886989
Sort of unrelated, but why do most people outside /co/ hate Cyclops/think he's a joke?
>>83886197
I actually really like the idea behind most of their powers, especially Prodigy. But I've only read the New Mutants mini prequel so my opinion is not valid.
>>83886225
Prodigy was cool until he became obsessed with green cock
Elixir was alright but too OP that they kept killing him
>>83886289
The sad thing is every one of these books was better than UXM has been since 1983.
>>83887348
/co/ actually reads comics, so we see series after series of a well-written Cyclops.
Mainstream pop culture knows Cyclops from the X-Men movies and the 90's cartoon show. Neither showed Cyclops in a positive light. If someone adapted any of the major Cyclops stories over the last 15 years, perceptions would change.
that way she died is just fucking bullshit
>>83887916
House of M version or 616?
Because it was pretty well established that Cessily was immune to her powers
>>83887348
>/co/ actually reads comics
>>83887094
They lost their book to X-Force after Messiah Complex and then MCU happened
>>83886197
From left to right!
No one cares.
Forced to be gay(his mutant power makes him like dick)
Dead
Dead
Dead
Dead
>>83886420
>He thinks Sunspot is black
Look at this fucker and laugh!
>>83888272
>nigger spics don't exist
typical american
>>83888272
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Roberto_da_Costa_(Earth-616)
For reference by the way. He's Brazilian.
>>83888299
I know he looks black to you, bu you see when he uses his powers he sucks up all ambient light near his skin. When he doesn't he's just a nice brown color.
>>83888272
>>83888331
>first appearance literally has him being beaten up for being black
>>83888342
Where did you find such a nice scan of that issue?!
>>83888374
I was just about to ask that! Damn I almost want to touch my screen to feel the paper...
Who was the better team
>>83888374
Some torrent with everything new mutants related I think. It's been a while
>>83888409
Hellions, that's why there were more on the Kyle/Yost team
>>83886289
This needs an update with a bunch of Inhumans standing over a casket.
>>83886197
x10 worse than the 83' New Muties. Which was the best 80s X-Comic for its like first 70 issues.
More story time pls
>>83886225
Wallflower was the best actually.
And what went wrong was M-Day. Literally destroyed the entire concept and Yost & Kyle seemingly decided "hey we gotta show that growing up is hard and the world is dangerous let's kill them all".
Has Sam ever even brought up Jay's death?
>>83886709
Well no, it's a little worse than that. The writers knew about M-Day and wrote their plans for after that which included X-23 being added (she was an editorially mandated character, Yost/Kyle didn't bring her in on their own), a story about them going to Nova Roma and squaring away all of the retarded continuity regarding Magma and her true identity IIRC and Elixir becoming a villain out of his grief and desire to try and reverse what happened on M-Day in the Magneto "going too far" sense.
They had issues written and everything I believe and then editorial told them right before the end of the M-Day arc that they were off the book. Basically around the same time the writer change was announced is the same time the original writers learned about it. I can't remember if it's the Yearbook Special or NXM #19 that came out last but yeah, they got the rug pulled out from under them and didn't even get a chance to wrap things up.
>>83886570
Strictly speaking, you should start with New Mutants volume 2, then Academy X, then New X-Men.
>>83887916
IIRC it was basically the same reason Karma was written out of New Mutants for like two years. They thought she was too powerful and an insta-win button so they killed her off to get rid of her which had the bonus of acting as motivation for Elixir.
>>83888249
Wind Dancer's still alive.
>>83888409
Half New Mutants and half Hellions
>>83888409
>>83886197
The REAL best team.
>>83888409
When this was published? New Mutants. Only Hellion and maybe Dust had any personality back then.
>>83888249
>Implying Elixer's dead
Dude pretty much cannot die. I don't care what shit Marvel is spouting recently.
>>83888652
>"hey we gotta show that growing up is hard and the world is dangerous let's kill them all".
I hate that this always happens, yet we cut back to the Avengers being jackasses.
There was something I really liked about that run. Something that made me think of autumn and such. It just calmed me.
>>83889144
>>Creators brag about how many characters they kill.
>>Start saying how awesome X-23 is over and over.
X-23 has this effect that every team she joins puts all the characters in limbo or death.
>>83889144
I wish wallflower made the cut for ultimate waifism
>>83889557
If the X-Men weren't such a shitshow these days, she probably woulda gotten revived by now...
Also, who wants to bet what the shit storm would have been if Wallflower was killed today? Like, would Tumblr and Twitter explode with anger? Would Wallflower have become mutant Gwen Stacy?
>>83889512
>>83889626
I feel like this is the major reason I can't get into X-Men. You're constantly having all these new characters introduced and every time a new writer comes in they're discarded. It's like the roster's constantly shifting and everyone who didn't come in before 1999 is only good for cannon fodder.
>>83888488
This please.
>>83889182
Wait, did he die again? How'd he die now?
>>83886628
Man, look at Emma trying to dress conservatively for the children.
Remember how she actually liked being a teacher?
>>83888342
>an animal masquerading as a human being!
Jesus, man
>>83889626
>the shit storm would have been if Wallflower was killed today?
I think the days of killing young female characters are over for awhile.
>>83886668
>whisps of flame coming off his visor
I that lik, resudual punch or somethin?
>>83886197
>Are they the best X-men team?+ 0 post omitted.
Well they're not the post-art upgrade Evolution team, so no
>>83889626
If this happened within the last 3 years, then yes almost certainly.
>>83887724
u wrong
Nothing beats the original
>>83888772
Not true.
House of M was dropped on them without warning THEN they were told that they had to drop all of their storylines and basically go with M Day and characters being depowered and shit.
The writer quit on the spot and the Yearbook was hastily greenlighted as a fig leaf to keep them on the book through the House of M tie-in arc while they rushed to get a new creative team lined up and to keep them from blabbing to the media the ending to House of M.
They did the House of M arc AND kept their mouths shut, so they got to do the Yearbook after their last issue, which basically was them wrapping up as many of their storylines as they could before Yost/Kyle took over, since they didnt' know what the hell the two would do with the book.
Y/K then basically depowered 75% of the cast and went on a killing spree, slaughtering the characters, much to the horror of the original writer, who was pissed off that Y/K didn't give a fuck about ANYTHING that came before them and retooled the entire book around X23 and Wither going evil.
>>83886197
>What went wrong?
IS there anywhere I can get the full run of Xmen; start to present, without shelling out thousands on ebay and shit?
>>83893955
she fucked a robot
>>83893996
torrents
>>83893464
The gender balance is way off.
>>83893996
from Nemesis43
>>83894169
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/22/why-comic-piracy-suffered-a-temporary-setback-last-week/
Apparently he ded
>>83894141
Yeah Jean should have been a qt guy
>>83893880
That sucks. Is there anything on this. I liked the original run better than post house of M but I did like the later run. I didn't like the missile for shock bullshit but I get why it was done.
>>83894141
They made up for that imbalance in New Mutants. Oddly progressive for the time, now that I think about it.
But then again, having *a* female superhero in every '60s #1 issue was the big Marvel pro-feminism move of it's day.
>>83894141
agreed.
but sexually speaking,
2 of them like dick, 2 of them like Pussy, and one jerks it to mathematical models and scientific theory.
>>83896241
Wait-wait... I know this!
Ummm... first2: the icepop and the hot girl, second2: the prettyboy and the girlyboy, aaaaand that last one is ... PedoProfes-no-no- the furry?
>>83896241
>>83896482
Well this predictable deterioration in the morals of /co/nversation has got me to thinking:
What were the socially unacceptable sexual idiosyncrasies of the "newXmen" students?
Or did the writer not realize that every good X-Men story needs a little "Claremont" in the mix?
>>83888865
>They thought she was too powerful and an insta-win button
Which in turn ment, it never ever worked like it was supposed to. "Oh no, this guy is attacking us! I will possess him! BUT HE'S SO POWERFUL!!!!! I CAN'T HOLD HIM ANYMORE!"
Alternatively she made herself vulnerable by doing it and got punched in the face. She was so powerful that she was ultimately useless. It's like how Storm often just flies up at the start of the fight and charges lightning to put the entire enemy team out of action only to catch the first shot and be unconscious for the rest of the fight. At least I've seen that a lot in cartoons. Don't think comics did that quite as much.
>>83889182
He's become the Kenny of Marvel.
>>83889166
Mercury had a pretty definitive personality, just not one that was very prominent.
>>83896607
I have NEVER seen Storm go full-on in any comic.
Even the one's where the text says she's going all in don't come anywhere close to what I've seen on the weather channel.
If only I had the chops to be an artist ...
>>83893464
I think every team ever conceived after beats the original.
>>83896723
(that was kinda the whole point of GIANT-SIZED X-MEN #1)
>>83886197
They were surprisingly resilient. House of M came along and fucked them over and they had so many dangling storylines just ended. But they stuck the landing and they lasted long enough for Craig Kyle and Chris Yost take over and insert their creation X-23. But one more lame crossover happened and they couldn't stick it.
More of them lingered on than I would have expected.
>>83895569
A lot of people like the post House of M run, too, despite the fact that it is sort of despicable, when you look at it. They used that horrible stuff to actually do character focus on those who remained and it's also the only reason why any X-Men book/event book of the time was even believable.
>>83889182
>>83890911
He died in Cullen Bunn's current run on Uncanny X-men, however, literally just before he died, Bunn made Monet have a big song and dance about the fact Elixir was exhibiting new, widerspread application of his powers and it seems which indicates to me that he probably has plans to bring Josh back, because otherwise, it's a fairly redundant reveal.
> Fingers crossed anyway
>>83896794
>But one more lame crossover happened and they couldn't stick it.
Messiah Complex was fine. And the fact that they just dropped the book afterwards was probably due to Kyle/Yost just dropping the book to head for an even edgier book.
As to why they didn't try getting any of the other writers to continue it - I don't fucking know. Back then Marvel actually had a pretty decent stable of them and I could've seen several of them continue it. Carey for example.
>>83896972
>which indicates to me that he probably has plans to bring Josh back, because otherwise, it's a fairly redundant reveal.
Yeah, but how good of a writer is Bunn really?
Usually he's a pretty mediocre or sometimes even bad writer and the only thing that really uplifts his X-Men stuff to being fairly decent is that he knows and can build upon previous continuity.
I'm still half expecting him to just do a terrible fucking plot line out of nowhere.
So finding Chekhov's gun in one of his comic wouldn't surprise me at all.
>>83887037
no, but he got to keep all the skills he absorbed when he had his powers
which is better than having the power to only be as good as the best person in the room
So what's hellion up to?
>>83897115
Background character status.
>>83897129
Nothing else? Just furniturem
>>83897115
>>83897138
Well, everyone always comes out of the woodwork everytime there's an X-books only crossover, so right now your best chance to see him again is one of those.
>>83897115
>>83897138
>>83897129
Silly you, Hellion is never just background, he's the one who has shit happening to him
Sick with m-pow, trying to attack the Inhumans
>>83897190
*m-pox
>>83896773
the downfall of the franchise
>>83897190
Oh sh*t!, that's right: he was the token mutant with M-pox in that early Inhumans issue!
Geeze, in an Inhumans book, that's almost worse than background.
>>83893464
this. plus polaris and havok
>>83894141
fuck that! they should have all all been boys in the first place
>>83897216
Really? Well, at least it's not another Bendis bash...
I would call that ridiculous, but they actually were so missed that X-Factor was created to bring back the good old days.
>>83897059
Yeah you're right, but idk, I'll have a little faith. His is the only X-Book I'm currently enjoying, even if the Mystique bits seems largely out of place, his work with Monet/Sabertooth and Magneto/Psylocke do make up for it. Also props for him for having the only halfway decent storyline in the shit show that is Apocalypse Wars.
>>83897281
Even Angel?
>>83897310
It's not a "shit show", but it is synergy fail.
The Dark Riders were way overdue for a death scene, all they did was cement Magneto's team as badass, and Dark Angel is in the weeds canon. What casual is going to pick that up and continue reading?
Kid'pocalypse falling down the Egyptian wonderland rabbit hole for some soul searching has nothing to do with anything movie or O5-Men, so I don't even know what that writer's doing there.
And Storm's team lost more children in a stupid meaningless timetravel adventure to the Apocalypse future that as of yet has no full-on Apocalypse in his prime goodness. So what was the point?
Why not just let the movie go do it's own thing and keep the comics their own thing?
>>83897487
>Why not just let the movie go do it's own thing and keep the comics their own thing?
So you don't want editors to plan constant crossovers and enforce them on the wrtiers?
What are editors supposed to do instead? Spell check every book and look for inconsistencies?
>>83897600
I'm Sorry, I was wrong. I see that now.
>>83897306
Anybody that wanted the original X-men back after Claremont started writing the title is an asshole.
>>83897210
>>83897190
>>83897709
Quite possibly, considering the level of fandom vitriol over Right/Wrong and redhead love...
But consider this: When those two teams merged into that beautiful Lee era Blue team and Gold team - it was a new age for X-Men excellence.
>>83888772
Wanna link about where u got this? I always wondered what the original plan was if MDay didnt ruin everything. I could never find it.
>>83892800
Just cool 90's leftover.
I always liked it, but it never makes sense.
>>83894220
Anon I highly doubt it takes a person 5 months to finish moving to a new house.
best damn run of modern x-men, even post-m day
guggenheim's Young XM, Gen Hope, WatXM were all pathetic messes which couldn't compare to classic Jr teams like NM, Gen X or NXM
i'm really bitter about the shafting of these characters gdi
>>83897265
Dig these get-ups.
>>83896773
I can see why Logan never poses for team pictures like this.
Good times. The line-up that got me into X-books as a child. Shame that Scarlet Bitch had to ruin everything.
>>83886197
No, this is.
