so why do people hate Geoff when he writes some of the best DC stories
the man single handedly made Green Lantern one of the biggest DC heroes
He's really not that great of a writer compared to guys /co/ loves like Milligan and Morrison.
He's great at emotional stuff when he doesn't get to heavy handed.
Mostly casuals who have probably only read his stuff after 2010.
And yeah his recent stuff hasn't been as good but career-wise he's solid. It's too bad he isn't doing comics right now since Rebirth was much more reminiscent of his past work. I wonder if it was just the reboot that killed his spirit.
>>83885716
>>83885716
>so why do people hate Geoff when he writes some of the best DC stories
He doesn't. He's extremely average. It's just that he's the guy who is always called when the editorial decides that it's the time to pander to the fans of mistreated character X, and thus he gets a ton of gratitude mistaken for adulation.
If someone else had written GL: Rebirth, that someone else would be the hero. It's not even a good story, just like Flash: Rebirth isn't a good story and DC Rebirth isn't a good story. They're just stories that the fans desperately wanted to be told for external reasons, and thus fans are willing to cut infinite slack when judging them.
Legit he's been trash since Blackest Night if we're being generous.
Dude's been coasting as Mr Fixit ever since he untangled the Hawk mythos in the easiest way possible
>>83885716
>some of the best DC stories
Not at all.
The guy is pretty good at his best and terrible at his worst, he is usually mediocre.
I don't like how dumb and ignorant the guy is, and how that ignorance is reflected in stuff like thinking Romans and Greeks were the same shit or the whole "life started on earth" retardation.
The guy can be good, but he is really egocentric, he wants HIS headcanon and only his to be rules for others.
>>83886035
>ever since he untangled the Hawk mythos in the easiest way possible
What did he do?
I liked his GL and Flash run
hes the reason I love Sinestro
>>83886240
Aliens in Egypt and never ending resurrection
>>83886137
>The guy is pretty good at his best and terrible at his worst, he is usually mediocre.
You've also just described almost everyone else on the planet.
>>83886538
No, people like Waid or Miller are Great or even amazing at their best, and people like moore or morrison go even beyond that.
Johns isnt as good as people like millar or rucka.
>>83886595
Waid is worse than Johns overall
Johns is a god, look at this piece of art.
>>83886595
>SJWaid
>Daredevil after Ikari
>Daredevil San Francisco relaunch
>Avengers
>Great or even amazing
Top kek Mousekeeper
>>83885716
Even though i liked his Shazam miniseries, the fact that he is the reason no one else has picked up the character and he hasn't gave the character an ongoing, makes me dislike him
>>83886962
they have been doing a lot of cool shit with Shazam, as in none of the new 52 shit with him has been bad.
They don't want to ruin the momentun with a mediocre on going series, just like when thet cancelled Animal Man despite selling better than some books that went on for a while after AM was cancelled, because they couldn'f find a person that would writte something as good as the rest of the run
>>83887115
>They don't want to ruin the momentun with a mediocre on going series
kek
>>83886962
Not to mention his raging boner for Black Adam being a detriment to how Batson himself is handled - reading the 52 storytime's section with that cast makes it seem like he'd gladly replace the existing character with his own, and making it look like marvel was at the brink of going mad from holding the fort at the rock of Eternity didn't help.
And then there's prick Batson in the new 52...
Also, didn't he write Infinite Crisis? Even the name for that feels lazy...
>>83887332
It that were truth why did they let Johns do 51 JL issues, they were crap
>>83887395
And then got bored of Black Adam and shat on him in forever evil.
>>83886595
>moore or morrison
>great
>not even on par with guys like pynchon or joyce or faulkner but people still pretend they're deep
>>83887510
WHOAAAAA BUDDY
careful with those goalposts!
>>83887510
Yeah but those guys aren't as great as The One True God who made the pact with Abraham so we can ignore their work and poo poo on them
>>83887510
>>83885980
Fans weren't desperate for Barry's return in Flash Rebirth.
Which might indicate why it was a comparative failure and all the things it was supposed to lead into got cancelled because fans didn't give a shit about Barry.
>>83886647
DC Waid is way better than Johns but Marvel Waid is way worse.
>>83887867
>Marvel Waid is way worse.
Not worse than new52 Johns
Johns wrote the best post Crisis Superman run. Can anyone even beat that?
>>83887898
>Aquaman
>Forever Evil
>last GL issue
>Darkseid War
>the one Superman arc he got to do
Nice shitty taste.
>>83887951
>>Darkseid War
Subtle troll
>>83887915
He had one good story in it and the rest was set ups that went no where because he got bored and had other writers clean up for him
Geoff johns highs and lows if you ask me are Brian Michael bendis tier. When he's God he's good. When he sucks he sucks. The only difference is bendis pisses on nostalgia and Geoff jerks off on it
>>83887915
I tend to agree with you but Kelly isn't bad.
>>83888117
>The only difference is bendis pisses on nostalgia and Geoff jerks off on it
That seems strangely accurate.
He created an extremely effective formula for pacing that was frankly groundbreaking and never evolved past that as the industry did. Now his writing is shallow and vapid, and while I like his values and interests, that's not enough to make him a good writer in my book.
>>83888117
>pisses on nostalgia
Only his nostalgia, he doesnt give a fuck about characters he didnt like as a kid.
>>83885772
Milligan is utter shit tho
>>83885716
Batfags upset at him lately even though he doesnt hate Batman
>>83888416
I'm going to rape you to death if you don't TAKE THAT BACK NOW
>>83885716
Tell me about Geoff.
>>83888503
he used to be good but not anymore
>>83888547
I meant prime Milligan.
>>83885716
He ignores other people's continuity for his own.
Has pet characters he pushes too hard.
All his events are "heroes get a new costume and beat the bad guy"
Incredibly obnoxious fanbase that will deflect any criticism as "lol you don't read comics!" or being some kind of conspiracy by fans of some characters.
>>83886853
>At their best
Geoff is helping out with Injustice 2 right?
>>83885786
He is actually playing a larger part in cinematic DC now behind the scenes so he likely doesn't have the time
He's also done some bad ones and helped DC become become the fark drudgery it is.
What I hate is that his fans can't admit he's made mistakes, like every writer ever in history.
He's a fan writer. Fans running the creative side of things lead to bland and sterile comics. In the 80's you had the British Invasion as well as all the guys from First Comics come over to the Big 2 who had next to no reverence for the material. People are still talking about those runs decades later
>>83889113
>Manta not playable
doubt.jpg
>>83889250
That's what I came here to do.
Most of his stuff is great, but he doesn't refine his stories at all, so there's all sorts of shit that gets forgotten, and correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he responsible for Superboy getting mopey and depressed that one of his dads is Lex?
>>83888567
So he's DC's Bendis?
I'd rather just read the actual silver age stuff than his manchild wanky fanfiction.
>>83889564
Don't say that or people will accuse you of being a shiposter because Johns' fans think that only one person can come that conclusion
>>83889634
So you admit you're the one spamming that in other threads.
He's literally Billy Batson. Child in an adult's body
>>83889677
no? are you retarded?
>>83889634
not him but it's true
so there's another convert
>>83889677
God you are retarded.
>>83889528
>Most of his stuff is great
No, his JSA was great, GL was Great, but then Blackest night happened, and since then nothing he has done is better than "good".
>>83891142
Flash, Action Comics, Booster Gold, Hawkman. That's still far more good than bad if you're talking total issues.
>>83891142
>he never read Stars and Stripe.
>>83888567
>ignoresbother people's continuity for his own
Most writers do.
>>83891330
and they are called out for it
meanwhile Johns gets praised for it
>>83891394
Yeah because you remember how we all shat in Moore,Morrison,Robinson,Gaiman,Wolfman,Perez all shat on continuity?
>>83891505
The difference is that they didnt do that at the same time.
Johns destroyed Wonder woman origins... twice in the same arc
>>83891977
>twice in the same arc
how?
>"this guy is a pretty good writer for certain characters that he likes"
>"good, put him in charge of our film universe and have him consult on our TV properties"
>"but sir, he doesn't have experience in doing those things, they're different kinds of mediums and require different skill se--"
>"SHUT UP, HENDERSON, JUST DO AS I SAY!"
>>83892316
Darkseid war, when it started Diana was retconed into pretty
>>83892973
pretty much the same age as the rest of the team, and then he came with the brillant idea of making her 5000 years old (just like in the movies!) in the grail issue
>>83892428
Johns came up through movies actually
>>83885716
people don't hate him. they are just annoyed, mostly.
He is responsible for a bunch of effed up shit, like Flashpoint and New Krypton. And really, Blackest Night was just an overwrought, annoying reset button waiting to be pressed.
>>83894394
And Retroboot the giant middle finger to his pal Mark Waid's Legion run
> Waid goes on rants about how Levitz era fans need to just except that things are different
> Johns brings back the Levitz era team while Waid's run is still ongoing
>>83888555
checked
>>83885716
This >>83886137 - 'mediocre' is an apt description. He's very inconsistent and where he is clever, it's fan fiction tier-level cleverness (see Superman and the Legion of Super-Heroes here).
>>83886538
You realize misunderstand the concept of grading on the curve. I disagree that 'Miller' is "great, but >>83886595 Anon here is otherwise accurate.
>>83887915
Let me fix that for you:
>Busiak, Casey, Loeb, Kelley, Morrison, Pak wrote better post Crisis-Superman
>>83887915
Byrne, Wolfman, Ordway, and Roger Stern
>>83886595
>moore and morrison
>better than Miller
>>83894604
I'm more upset at the implication that Miller and Waid are on the same level.
>>83885815
This is absolutely it. Hal's best story ever and he just destroys it.
I'm honestly convinced that Green Lantern Volume 3 48-50 are the three best issues of any Green Lantern comic book. Ever.
>>83894604
If you've only written one good comic book, even if it's one of the best ever made, you aren't automatically on the level of Moore and Morrison, you're just a promising writer. The next thirty years of Miller's career proved that incorrect.
>>83894707
Yea that's pretty fucking egregious. Just an unbelievably pleb post overall
>>83894927
>DKR is Miller's only good book because I've only read one Miller comic
Firstly his Daredevil is better than DKR and came several years before, secondly you're a fucking faggot.
>>83894927
>one good comic book
You have shit taste if you think DKR is Miller's only good comic. Hell a good Miller comic came out this week
>>83894927
I think frank lacking a strong editor like jim shooter was his downfall, still sin city is awesome and you are a fag
>>83885772
>Milligan
Is this 90s? Anyway Johns is a fun writer, don't expect profound writing and you won't be disappointed.
>>83895230
>le shooter meme
please name one comic that Miller did that shooter edited.
>>83889677
not that anon but I do it too
fuck your cereal king
Johngsfags are the worst
Johns has one good book: JSA
Bendis has DD
they are the same person
>>83895245
>you won't be disappointed.
I probably still will. He loves the characters too much to be entertaining. I want writers that are indifferent or even just spiteful to the histories of these characters.
Just salt the earth and start over
>>83895303
52 and his Booster Gold run are better than JSA. Maybe you should read comics rather than getting meme opinions from /co/
>>83885716
He's all flare and no substance. He introduces some interesting concepts but usually wraps them up/gets rid of them within the same story arc. He's basically junk food.
>>83894927
Yeah Frank's written like 6 or 7 game changing books.
>>83895323
>Johns
>Booster Gold
>52
>>83895323
52 is pretty shitty bro
Booster Gold isn't that good either its a meme
both Johns and Bendis are forcing their ways into movies/tv
I'm a Wallyfag and Johns wrote the worst of Flash. He has a hard-on for villains though.
>>83888094
He was pulled because of GL, Flash Rebirth, helping out in Final Crisis. Wasn't his fault, his dream project was new Krypton and he got shoved off of it.
>>83895387
What's shitty about 52, it's an effective sweeping narrative that does good character work and shows the depth and breadth of the DC world.
>>83895341
what's Martha Washington? I've read the rest
>>83895351
>You
>not retarded
>>83895387
>Johns wrote the worst of Flash
This hot piece of garbage he made just to get the Rouges back
>>83895442
he didn't make 52
and his run of Booster is the weakest one you fucking retard
>>83895457
johns worst flash arc is One More Daying Wally
>>83888117
Bendis was never that stellar. Sometimes it seems like he's acting against his own artist.
Johns had the best run of Booster Gold because he did something other than suck Ted Kord's dick.
>>83895423
Dystopian scifi draw by Dave Gibbons. The first mini Give Me Liberty is the best
>>83895471
He's one of the 4 writers on 52 and there are literally 2 Booster Gold runs so you saying "One of the worst" when you could have called it the worst if you actually knew what you were talking about means you have never read it.
>>83888456
Is it because the JL books are in some weird competition with the Bat books?
>>83894535
>Loeb
>Casey
Fuck no. His Superman is dull and same crossover problem like with Kelly. Superman/Batman is only thing worth remembering and it's a team up book that's not even that good.
>Busiek
1 good storyline, rest was forgettable.
>Kelly
Fucked over by shitty crossover
>Morrison
Never wrote Post Crisis, new 52 reboot is superior though
>Pak
Shit handle on character, fucked over by editorial and carried largely by Kuder when he wasn't Berganza's bitch.
>>83895500
> because he did something other than suck Ted Kord's dick
The entire point of his run was Booster learning he couldn't go back in time to save Ted, they ran around together for half of it.
JLI was amazing, but writers need to let it go. Even modern Giffen and DeMatteis go overboard with all the BWAHAHAHA
>>83895519
>doesn't know how many stories with Booster are there
>accuses others of not reading
Fucking hilarious
>>83895387
>52 is pretty shitty bro
This. Also Johns also wrote about 1/4 of it. The worst 1/4.
>>83894598
Post Crisis Superman up until 2000 was mediocre to shit, nice try buddy. And Byrne destroyed Superman mythos with his fan fiction, don't even talk about him.
>>83895499
Bendis at least has Torso. Too bad he never lived up to his early promise.
>>83895560
There are 2 runs.
Giffen and Dematteis did one arc. Jurgens and Johns have the only 2 actual runs.
JLI is not a Booster comic.
>>83888567
Are you sure you're not talking about Morrison?
>>83893004
I thought she was pre-established as 5000 years old in new 52 continuity. So he just said and unsaid that she was the same age as the rest of the gang?
>>83895567
Triangle era was best era
>>83892428
God, Henderson is just the worst, isn't he? I wish he was dead.
>>83892973
I'm pretty sure it was a setup for Cucka
>>83886595
>>83894535
Millar is the least consistent mother fucker there. He can do Ultimates and Red Son and then turn around and fart out Nemesis.
>>83894465
Who in the fuck cared about Waid's fanfiction?
>>83885716
The only people that like him are the ones that discovered him because of the TV shows.
Also Batman-haters, I have yet too meet a Johns fan that likes Batman
>>83893004
That clashes pretty hard with Azz's run where she's friends with the previous version of Ares who obviously has changed due to modern times. If a god looks like he's aged 20 years, you can bet your ass it's been a lot longer than that.
>>83892428
I honestly think WB having Johns heavily involved in their cinematic universe is going to be one of those infamous bad decisions that people will look back and shake their heads at years from now.
Anybody ever listen to his Green Lantern commentary? It's clear he has no idea what the fuck he's doing.
>>83895387
>I'm a Wallyfag and Johns wrote the worst of Flash.
Good one
>>83895510
Do you think modern bananas Frank Miller could still write a story about a strong female black woman of color who don't need no man?
>>83895387
Vendetti exists anon
>>83895720
Nope, what about that Green Lantern commentary gives you pause though?
>>83895471
There's like 2 Booster run and he's way better than fucking Jurgens.
>>83895341
Only half of his "game-changing" books are actually good though.
>>83895720
This.
Even on a bonus featurette on the Gods and Monsters blu ray he seems like a dumb dummy.
>once again- we keep the DNA of the characters...
>>83895290
what? he was the editor in chief of marvel comics he put miller on the book and he had final say
>>83895627
Triangle era tanked Superman completely.
>>83895751
>le Jurgens is bad meme
fuck off
>>83895701
>Friends with Ares
Fuck that old mentor ares bullshit.
>>83895567
Have you actually read Byrne's run? I've been reading it for the first time the last couple of weeks and it's surprisingly good. I hate Byrne as a person and disagree with what he did to the character but oh well, the stories are a solid read. Better than Johns Brainiac story in any case.
>>83895677
>Ultimates
I really want to know how many people have read Ultimates recently. Dialogues are pure garbage, decompression is at full force and not a single character is likable. It feels like people only praise it because of either nostalgia or they're casualfags. Hitch's art is certainly gid tier but somewhere around the time he forgot how to draw faces completely.
>>83895864
Outside of Stan and Jack, Byrne has the best Fantastic Four run also. He did a damn fine job of humanizing a godlike character on MOS
>>83895808
I never said he's bad, pure mediocre. His art on post COIE run was pretty good desu.
>>83895730
>>83895748
I meant of v2
Johns didn't get Wally or Flash at all
just Rogue circlejerk
>>83895341
But his problem is, he's like Moore.
Their good stuff is the stuff of legends, but for the longest time they've been pumping out garbage.
>>83895864
I have and I like Byre's art, his FF and shulkie. Mostly it comes down to not muh for me. Stories are fine, nothing too remarkable but the idiotic changes he made to the character are off putting for someone who has read more than 5 recommended stories of Superman. I'm a pre crisis fag and it was a middle finger to pre crisis mythos just like Morrison's run was a fuck you to post crisis. Waid, Morrison, Millar also despise everything he did and what came after.
>>83895341
He didn't write Wolverine.
>>83895958
>He did a damn fine job of humanizing a godlike character on MOS
What need is there to do exactly that? This is the kind of brainwashing memes came out of his run.
>>83896037
They're not really comparable. Miller was in a slow but steady decline after '87 and gave up completely at some point in the 90's. Moore has only become undependable the last few years but otherwise has been consistently good or great for the better part of 30 years.
>>83895323
Booster Gold was fine, but it was not great. 52 was excellent but there were five writers (counting Giffen) and you cannot credit Johns for it's success (or failures).
>>83895387
However, the problem with BG is the same that other anons have identified here: Johns starts shit he doesn't finish or goes anywhere with AND NO OTHER WRITERS BOTHER WITH IT.
>>83896069
Wasn't it written in the Marvel Method? If so then all Claremont did was come up with the plot and then write the dialogue in after Miller finished it.
>>83895731
She's black, so he could probably do it.
If she was BROWN, though? He'd lose his mind.
>>83896092
i get ya i should have said marvelized, which was smart since DC was getting slaughtered in sales
>>83896162
Which if you look closely is detrimental to the character. People never broke out of that mold and character has far too few highs because of it. I really wish they would have given the helm of Superman to a British writer than and there but the invasion was a bit late for that.
>>83896053
I'm a pre-crisis fag all the way as well (silver age in particular) and as I said I disagree with Byrne's take on the character but I still think the stories are good and in the end that's all that really matters. A marvelized version of the character was inevitable anyway. If not in the 80's with Byrne then in the 90's or at some some later point. I feel like the two can co-exist.
>>83886137
He is like Bendis when it comes to writing about shit that he doesn't know about, but unlike Bendis he is humble enough to take criticism and acknowledge that he fucked up.
Hence why I like Geoff more as a person, as a writer he is hit or miss and not the deepest writer but he manages to make good and emotional stories from time to time
>>83885716
I think he's pretty good but he's comparatively shallow next to guys like Morrison or Gaiman.
He's surprisingly good for what you'd expect from a dudebro though. He's great at taking characters, stripping them down to their core, returning them back to their Silver-Age roots, and revitalizing them for the masses at large. Look at what he did for Green Lantern and Aquaman. Not only that but there are moments in his writing where it's actually just good. Really, really GOOD. He's not actually deep or anything but he's good in the niche he's chosen for himself, superhero comics.
He's not the best, but he's better at his craft than, say, Michael Bay or Zack Snyder with their mediums.
But that's not to say that he doesn't ever make mistakes. Sometimes he clearly doesn't have the best grasp of a character or a concept. For example, his nu52 reboot of the New Gods was terrible. Johnseid was terrible. What he did to the Anti-Monitor was garbage too.
When he's good, he's good. But he's written a lot of mediocre or average stories too.
>>83886595
With the exception of Millar and Rucka all those writers lost their touch and nowadays are pretty shit, probably worst that Geoff.
>>83885980
Very well-worded. Couldn't agree more.
>>83886281
Johns has definitely done some good for Sinestro, but the trade-off there is that he writes a fucking bland Hal. He prioritizes constantly exonerating Hal over keeping him even remotely intriguing.
>>83896395
>Michael Bay or Zack Snyder
I don't actually disagree with the gist of what you are trying to get across, but you are either being too polite or too kind. Bay is a technical craftsman, decent at what he does and definitely far more proficient than many of his fellow practitioners - but he lacks soul or any of the other elements that can be so easily mined by people who are good craftsman at the actual task of writing a script, telling a story, etc., which IS his craft as a writer. So in that respect, NO, he's more failure than not.
>>83885716
"people" don't hate Johns.
"people" don't love him either - in fact the vast majority has no clue who he is, or what he does.
The tiny segment of the population that DO care about comics does have a few grumbling, self-entitled fans who dislike anything that challenge their various headcanons.
The only reason you notice those who hate, is because you hate - so you tend to notice those who are a) loud, and b) agree with you.
Don't read stuff you hate Anon, that's silly. Read stuff you like.
>>83896787
Hard to do that when Johns' influence is everywhere at DC
>>83896069
>He didn't write Wolverine.
He co-wrote it with Claremont.
He made two events where characters got different outfits and new powers. He's only writing for the toy market. Wake up Johnsfags. Literally the only reason he got into comics is to push his head canon to be canon. Nobody in their right mind would have made Superboy Lex' Clone or have Captain Cold + Lex Luthor in the Justice League, he forever ruined Spectre Hal's Legacy and he shat on a lot of established continuity to push his Silver Age Heroes back to the spotlight.
>>83889432
People are still thinking about his Green Lantern run, everytime someone asks Aquaman his run gets recommended, only his JSA run (shamefully) was the one that got really ignored.
>>83896929
Probably because those are the only mediocre runs fors those characters in a sea of bad runs
>>83885716
Johns is the most valuable person to a comic company in the entire industry. Name someone that has a bigger positive impact in comics, TV, and soon movies.
You can't.
>>83896957
Bingo. If anybody ever actually wrote good runs of those characters nobody would talk about Johns ever again.
>>83896984
>positive impact
That's certainly subjective.
>>83896985
Peter David's run for Aquaman was pretty good yet you don't see that getting recommended as much as Johns.
>>83896985
Johns runs are pretty good.
>>83896787
>"people" don't hate Johns.
>"people" don't love him either - in fact the vast majority has no clue who he is, or what he does.
Have a (you)
>>83896995
Rebirth
>>83897051
>Implying that wasn't an editorial mandate with his name plastered on to sell more units
Sure
>>83897062
Flash
JSA
Green Lantern
Aquaman
>>83897051
>literal OMD level of setting things to go back to the original status quo
>positive
>>83896019
Wally was already well developed as The Flash, he can't do any more after Waid. The next logical step would be to have him in cool scenarios which he did deliver.
>>83897083
>Flash
Hot Garbage, OMD'd Wally, Rogue Wanking
>JSA
Oh great another title just to elevate his favorite heroes
>Green Lantern
His was the least shittiest GL out of the sea of shitty GL Runs, congratulation
>Aquaman
Aquaman doesn't matter to anyone.
>>83897087
>OMD
don't remember any deal with the devil.
>>83896395
>He's not actually deep or anything but he's good in the niche he's chosen for himself, superhero comics.
I think this is the major source of problem here. His niche isn't superhero comics, his niche is long running, tightly woven, low key superhero comics.
Johns does his best work when he's in the background working on a continuing story that he has time to flesh out. Not when he's given the keys to the Castle and told to go nuts writing the latest 6 issue SUPER MEGA INFINITE EVENT that will change EVERYTHING. Which is incidentally mostly what he's been doing for the last, like, ten years. He's like a beat cop writer, not a superstar he wants to be.
>>83897051
Counterpoint: Nu52.
>>83897111
Thanks for the laugh kid.
>>83897141
It's known that Johns was against it but had to play along.
he got away with creating a character and putting it into the JSA the "team that inspired the JL"
>>83897128
Sinestro Corp War was pretty good, Infinite Crisis had Prime Time so it was ok in my book, Blackest Night was pretty fun, Forever Evil was the best event of that year and had pretty cool moments, Darkseid War wasn't even an event. All these storylines had years apart unlike say Marvel's which literally happen the month after he next Event.
>>83897141
He didn't have that idea.
Flashpoint is complete shit
I'd wanna do things toStar-Girl though
>>83897166
Sinestro Corps War also wasn't really an event as much as a natural progression of the GL storyline, but yes, I'll agree it was a pretty cool one. Infinite Crisis was a painful exercise in character inconsistencies and Blackest Night was, like, legitimately shit. I haven't read Forever Evil so I won't comment. But the ultimate point wasn't how often DC shits out events or whatever, it's that Johns isn't suited for those kinds of books. The only works of his people can kinda sorta agree are actually good are his subdued ongoings. The rest range from "It was shit" to "It wasn't terribly good but I liked it."
>>83897111
(you)
>>83897302
>Blackest Night was, like, legitimately shit.
Only contrarion here hate that.
>>83897810
and only contrarian here hate Batman, what's your point
>>83897847
Capeshitter here have no sense of self awareness
>>83897810
It was seven issues of the heroes standing around doing jack shit before fucking Deadman showed up and literally just told them how to defeat Nekron in one move.
Like I'm legitimately baffled that people actually think it was in any way good.
>>83888547
discipline is good
I liked new romancer, it was more milligan than anything he has written in the last few years
>>83897910
what does that mean ?!
>>83885716
He's kind of like the Michael Bay of comics. Does a bunch of cool shit because it's cool, that sort of mentality.
>>83897954
It was full of hype desu and when the fuck have characters done anything until last point in any fucking event?
>>83885980
>Not Good Stories
Simply not true.
>>83894842
>>83885815
you're aware johns was hired specifically to retcon the emerald twilight arc because of the mass fanboy rage over making hal a villain, right?
and he not only wrote a decent story to retcon it, he added a fuckton of new worldbuilding to turn the green lantern world into one of DC's biggest heroes.
>>83898032
Johns writes with heart.
>>83888117
Geoff is Bizarro Bendis. Geoff is more consistent than Bendis, whether he's consistently good or consistently mediocre. While Bendis will write a top story at one instance, and then start another story which will be utter shit.
>>83896225
I heard that Moore wanted to reboot Superman, so DC were going to get Moore to co-write alongside Byrne, but Moore didn't want to be a co-writer and dropped out.
They had Superman 2000 to fix him, but DC missed out on a golden opportunity to revitalise Superman.
>>83896395
The first part captures him perfectly, but I don't agree with comparisons with Bay or Snyder. Atleast Johns knows what he's writing.
>>83897111
>Aquaman
>Aquaman doesn't matter to anyone.
His big contribution was creating The Others, which died as it's own comic book title and essentially was a stupid albeit NEW thing to do with Arthur that wasn't something others had already tried that was done more efficiently, successfully, etc.
>>83898234
Like, literally any well constructed event?
Fuck, Johns' own Infinite Crisis and Sinestro Corps war had a fuckton of things happening before the climax. Any well paced story needs to be a back and forth between heroes and villains, not just heroes standing around until Deadman Ex Machina.
>>83894842
What's it like having taste this bad
>>83899332
said the johnsfag
>>83898662
Bendis isn't Bizarro Geoff Johns.
This guy is.
>>83886035
His Aquaman was good.
>>83885772
Morrison? What's so good about him? Final Crisis was garbage, and so is everything else recent he's done
Both Geoff and Morrison are middling writers who get put in charge of shit so everyone just goes, "Well, they MUST be good!," like Zack Snyder
>>83885716
Anybody know the exact issue where Good Johns became nuJohns?
>>83901043
>so is everything else recent he's done
kek check out this faggot.
>>83894842
The story was great, the problem was how it was published, if anything needs to be fixed is that. a retell
>>83902014
If I had to pick a specific moment it was when he dropped all the Superman stuff to do Flash Rebirth and Blackest Night and probably Rebirth itself would have been that point. But even then maybe if whatever he had been setting up with the Zoom corps could have played out naturally it would have rebounded. His Flash run after Rebirth was better at least. Blackest Night was kind of bland after all the buildup but it was kind of ok too? Not sure how GL was after that since I dropped it there but I know people didn't like Brightest Day overall.
But even after those books he still had some good things like Aquaman and Forever Evil. And his Superman arc was fine. Honestly it's possible JL was just a really bad fit and maybe suggesting there was a turn at all is going too far when it's mostly just that one series that was bad.
>>83902158
as a johnsfag even I can't deny that brightest day sucked
>>83902014
Blackest night as a writter, but he became absolute shit when he got the CCO role
>>83896037
But that's not really true, for one, Miller barely put out any work in the past 15 years, a single digit number of comics, whereas Moore has been churning out shit, and also, Miller recently got back in the swing of things, DK Last Crusade was awesome, as were the mini comics he did that came out with DK3.
And Honestly shit like ASBR may not be for you but there is a fairly large group of people who like it as opposed to no one liking Moore's batshit fishrape type garbage.
>>83895774
No, O'Neil fired Mckenzie and put Miller as writer, and I highly doubt shooter meddled with a great like O'Neil's books. Especially since Miller was a workhorse who always put in good scripts.
>>83902014
Flash Rebirth and Blackest Night is probably the best markers but he kind of came back a bit at the start of n52, Aquaman was solid, then a few arcs of JL were solid, then Forever Evil was good, then his Superman was solid. I'd say the Amazo virus/where he became CCO is where he really became nushit Johns but even then he could bounce back
>>83902611
>I'd say the Amazo virus/where he became CCO is where he really became nushit Johns but even then he could bounce back
He became CCO before the new 52 even started. I remember the BATB guys crediting him for getting WW on the show.
>>83902093
>all that crisis rehash shit
Is that all he does
>>83902684
Those are just variant covers but a book about the Multiverse not involving COIE would be stupid.
>>83902727
A book on the multiverse itself is stupid since they change that shit all the time
Remember hypertime? Holy fuck. That sure lasted, didn't it
Why not just tell a compelling story instead of wanking over continuity
>>83902684
>hasn't read the books
>comments anyway
>>83902777
Hypertime still exists you dumb faggot, stop reading wikipedia articles and actually read some comics
>>83902777
Hypertime is still canon.
>not liking stories about stories
pleb detected
>>83902777
I think hypertime was described in the latest JL issue so it still exists anon
>>83894842
You know this was quite literally a last minute editorial mandate, right?
>>83904247
It showed up in Vibe too. It's just not always relevant to whatever dimension shit is going on.
>>83894842
>Hal's best story ever
Literally kill yourself.
>>83902954
Lol, I can't help it if DC are in love with referencing their failed ideas
Hypertime was supposed to replace the multiverse. It didn't. Try reading this shit sometime instead of madturbating about continuity like the DC editorial staff. The reason the general public doesn't read comic books is because the books are inconsistent as fuck and the big two only care about its hardcore audience who will buy the shit no matter what. It's like the WWE but with comic books, and Johns and Morrison are part of the problem
>>83885716
Kyle fans
>>83905585
>the general public
Just shut your fucking mouths already
>>83905618
Why do you plebs keep insisting on this?
