Well the first thing I'd do is scrap the whole idea

>>83863542
Might as well redo it all again except not make everybody assholes.

>non canabal hulk
>make cap not an ass
>no incest for quicksilver and scarlet witch
>no ultimates 3
>no ultimatum
>keep Peter Parker dead

The shit with Cuckeed Richards and his cuck city wouldn't happen.

Peter and Kitty pride becomes OTP
Everything after ultimate x-men 93 never happens

>>83863542
Everythings the same. Ultimatum still happens, but significantly less characters die.

Up until Ultiamtum, the Ultimate U was an easily digestable, modern take, but after each series hits a 100 issues, that goal of being easy to jump into is gone, so hit it with an Ultimatum, and then make it a sandbox. Any idea a writer has that's too crazy for main U (President Cap, Peter dies, evil Reed), they can do it here. Just don't kill off the entire cast of the universe so that nobody can tell a decent story.

>>83863542
Well, I assume that Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum would exist simply by default. Other than that:

>Ultimate Spiderman stays as is, but Bendis is given a better editor, to point out all of the continuity glitches (these mostly come into play after issue 100, so not too much is changed)
>either Gwen Stacey doesn't come back to life, or if she does, she remains a Carnage clone and has to keep it a secret from everyone (maybe Tony only tells Peter she was cured to make him feel better?)
>passage of time actually is acknowledged, with with each of the Ultimates run's counting as about a year in series time. by the time Ultimates 2 is finished, 2-3 years should have passed from when Ultimate Spiderman began. this timescale should be kept consistent through all books.
>Cap can start out as an asshole, but as time goes on he begins to mellow out (maybe Spiderman or Thor's good nature could rub off on him)
>Hank Pym's character was really put though the wringer in the comics. should Ultimates continue after 2, his character should continue to develop towards his redemption. he should begin by clearly half asking it, with nobody buying his "I've changed" routine, forcing him to reevaluate himself and become a better person. he doesn't get to die like a hero, he has to live with his mistakes and move forward, building all kinds of crazy science stuff
>the Xmen don't all die off panel
>Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver aren't incestuous, and Wolverine isn't their dad
>Wolverine wasn't the first mutant
>Greg Land is not allowed within 50 feet of the offices

All i can think off the top of my head. Maybe think of more later.

>>83866673
*would not exist

>>83863542
Even on this universe the convolutedness of the X-men is making everything a mess

>>83863542
bump

Ultimatum and ultimate a 3 are both given to anyone not named Jeff loeb; both events still occur but without several major character deaths, particularly wasp and dr strange.

Dr strange is given a chance to shine in his own solo series or mini, dealing with the responsibilities he has neglected as the dysfunctional grown up son of the dr strange senior. He eventually branches out into the ultimates and other series, allowing for a mystical element to be introduced to the ultimate line which will allow characters like ghost rider to be introduced more organically.

The residual oz formula in MJ's bloodstream leads to a storyline of some kind. Miles Morales is never introduced. Peter Parker never dies.

Say what you want about Ultimate Marvel, that Giant Man suit is straight pimpin. It's better than the 616, and you can sue me on that one, I don't give a fuck.

Isn't Black Panther an actual fucking Panther in that universe? I wouldn't do that god no. Also keep the X-men and Thor costumes, they're pretty neat.

>>83863542

Have the Thing be made out of Earwax
Gwen Stacy is the Black Cat
Doc Strange is a Skrull (not in disguise -- he just happens to openly be a Skrull)
Green Goblin is a little dude, like, 3' tal
Kingpin is 12 raccoons, 20 squirrels, and a warthog operating a fat-suit
Peter has foursomes with MJ, Gwen, and Kitty
Wasp flies up Blob's urethra and kills him from the inside, exploding out of his gut like the Xenomorph larva

No Ultimatum

>>83869130
This.

Morrison instead of Millar. Fuck Bill Jemas

>>83866673

This. Also only great writers and great artist are allowed and they either have to do a long run without fill in or high quality miniseries. Nothing on this universe can be least than outstanding.

And they need a few good editors to control the continuity, writers has to talk about their plans with their mates and artist start drawing way before the series hit the stores.

>>83869166
I wasn't sure about this at first but you sold me at the last part.

>>83866673
cont.

>Seed Nineteen either need to play a larger part in the FF ongoing story, or not show up at all and be replaced with the Inhumans or Micronauts.
>Related to the above, original characters need to be have more thought put into them; keep Bombshell, remove Salems Seven, etc.
>The entire Salems Seven arc didn't happen
>Alpha Flight is not a team of super powered evil druggies. If anything, have them be a real group serving openly as mutants as Canada's superhero team. Use this to show how mutants are becoming more accepted in some places, which can cause conflict with the Xmen and their enemies over the prejudice issue, and problems with Shield because they are not the only super powered agency anymore.
>FemMad Thinker is a recurring villain
>Doctor Doom stays in the Zombie Zerse. If he comes back, he will be a changed man, and actually seek to be a good and fair ruler, which he will still decide to rub in Reeds face.
>Cable isn't Wolverine from the future

When Pete dies his body is confiscated by hydra and re-animated and he becomes the winter solider. Around the time that Peter originally dies, a powerless vigilante Miles gets his powers from trying to stop some kind of oscorp deal that goes wrong and he ends up in coma for a week or so. He wakes up with powers and is ecstatic at the discovery. Miles story would be about how being a hero is terrible and nothing to be excited about. He would become the new Suffering-Man.

>>83866673
cont.

The Ultimate universe as a whole needs a new overarching direction. The buildup to Ultimatum looked like it was heading somewhere but it was to convoluted and unorganized to really mean anything. Maybe this is my love of Earth X talking but if I was in charge:

>The earth in the past was the testing ground for the Celestials, and superpowers and superpower individuals are a sign of the coming of a new Celestial star child.
>The Watchers were present at almost every major moment in history, making sure that everything was going according to the Celestial plan. Normal humans see them as ordinary rocks, but a select few superhumans can see their true forms as extra dimensional beings.
>The Gah Lak Tus is an ancient weapon made by the Kree to fight off the Celestials, but they couldn't control it and they were forced to flee their planet. Gah Lak Tus continue to perform it's duties, however, seeking out worlds where the touch of the Celestials is present, but instead of only killing Celestials it also destroys the planet and it's inhabitants.
>When they fled, the Kree arrived in the Skull empire, where they were initially enslaved, leading to them being enemies.
>Nova is one of the Eternals, reincarnated into the present for the coming of the Celestials. He has no memory and is still just a kid, so he doesn't really know how he fits into the whole equation. His friendship with Peter, Johnny and Bobby is what convinces him to turn against the Celestials when they arrive.
>The Inhumans are actually the descendants/last of the Deviants, the enemies of the Eternals and original rulers of the world. While they mostly hide away on the moon, Crystal is a recurring character in the FF book, going on adventures with them
>The atlantans were an ancient race that was wiped out by Namor, who was also a reincarnated Eternal. This can serve as foreshadowing to what will happen later in the comics.

>>83873077
cont.

>Magneto, the "mutants are gods children" nut that he is, will be overjoyed by the arrival of the Celestials, but will completely breakdown when he realizes the Celestials don't really care about him or the mutants as more than tools
>Apocalypse is a rogue Eternal, defying the Celestials and trying to rule/destroy the earth for his own benefit, with the new race of mutants (which he see's as the new Deviants) as his slaves
>Ultimates three will deal with the globalization of superhuman defense, and how Shield and the Ultimates deal with it (lots of international politics, with a superhuman twist). The B-plot will be the slow uncovering of the awakening Eternals and the discovery of the Celestials plan. Both plots will come to a head in the end, paving the way for a miniseries dealing with the arrival of the Celestials and Earths fight against them. Ultimates 3 will be 13 issues like the previous 2.
>Ultimates 3 will not be written by Jeff Loeb, nor will the miniseries

>>83873445
cont.

>Ultimate Spiderman will mostly remain it's own thing, separate from the Celestial plot. It will tie in to it similar to how it was done previously, just following Peter and his supporting cast in New York responding to the danger. Peter will only be directly a part of the greater plot by having a serious heart-to-heart with Nova about the importance of power and responsibility, etc, convincing Nova to fight for earth and his loved ones.
>FF will deal with all kinds of cosmic shit, and be separate from the Ultimates plot, only coming into play through their connection to Namor and the Inhumans, with all of them playing a major role in the Celestial plot when it happens.
>The Xmen...are complicated, and really need some work. I suppose they'd just keep doing what they do, and the buildup to the Celestials should just be a final arc with Apocalypse, revealing their true origin, before going into the Celestial plot.
>FF and Xmen get another crossover, this one dealing with their Inhuman-Deviant-Apocalypse-Celestial connection before the final event.
>To defeat the Celestials and Eternals, the Xmen, FF, Ultimates and their international counterparts, Brotherhood of Mutants and Inhumans all have to join forces to save the earth. Throw in a couple villains too like Mad Thinker and Electro for added fun.

>>83873731
cont.

>Magician doesn't exist.
>Pyro isn't a rapist
>Sabertooth isn't a dumb brute, and isn't part of the brotherhood, coming back occasionally to torment Wolverine
>Harry Osborn plays a bigger part in Ultimate Spiderman and manages to stick around for a while with his goblin powers
>MJ's goblin powers remain as well, and her crippling fear of that getting out again is a recurring plot point for the rest of the series (perhaps it gets free again and she tries to kill her abusive dad)
>Beetle's plot line actually gets closure
>Whereas Norman is Peter's arch foe, Venom will become Carnage-Gwen's foe, stalking and harassing her and trying to "become one" with her after finding out about what she really is, and threatening to tell Peter about it
>because of the timescale, Peter will be 18 by the time of issue 150, serving as an anniversary issue and he will start training with the Ultimates and serving as part-time on the team, where he's jokingly treated like the 'Superhero intern" by Hank and Tony, but gets along well with Thor and Janet. Cap doesn't like him at first, but warms up to him eventually.
>Man Thing makes another appearance
>Mysterio is not from the 616 universe
>Kingpin isn't killed by Mysterio, but only wounded, and eventually comes back with a vengeance to reclaim his territory, which in turn, leads to a reformation of the Ultimate Knights to take them both down
>More Moonknight

>>83874114
>>83873731
>>83873445
>>83873077
>>83872686
>>83866673
Stop it, anon. I'm honestly getting depressed now thinking about how much better this would have been. At the very least, I do hope 616 Franklin creates a new universe similar to Heroes Reborn or 1610. Earth-65 just hasn't managed to fill that niche, and as much as people might not like Heroes Reborn, your whole slow build-up towards the Celestials (and not that bullshit with Xorn and his brother in Ultimate X) is very reminiscent of the build-up to Galactus in Heroes Reborn.
I really like it.

>>83874310
Glad you like it. Really, this is all just stuff off the top of my head, going by memory since I haven't read Ultimate in years.

>>83874114
cont.

>Less miniseries, or at least better ones. No Ultimate Human, Ultimate Iron Man 1-2, Armor War, Cap, Thor, etc. which add nothing to the characters and just make things way more confusing than they need to be, and even worse, waste perfectly good villains who never show up again.
>If miniseries are really necessary, give them to characters that aren't main characters in other books, like Dr. Strange or Moon Knight
>No crossovers with other Universes
>If a character is introduced, there must be a clear plan for them; if not, don't introduce them till there is a plan (Falcon, Mysteio, Creepy Spiderman, Yellow Daredevil, Blade, etc.). Characters shouldn't be introduced just because; they should add something to the story beyond being a reference or cameo.
>Ultimate Hulk v Wolverine would be a double-length one shot, not a miniseries
>Ultimate She Hulk will be a recurring character in Ultimates 3
>Ultron will not turn evil in Ultimates 3; he and will stick around for a while and make a hero of himself before betraying the team a few years down the road
>Jocasta will be brought into the Ultimate Universe as Hank Pym's personal robot assistant. Having a sexy robot secretary around only makes everyone more disgusted in Hank, Hawkeye especially

>>83875244
cont.

>Blob is not a cannibal. Blob, Toad and Pyro eventually join the Xmen and stay there.
>Blob is not Liz Allen's father; Mastermind is. Mastermind is interested in his offspring and wants to raise her himself once he finds out about her powers. He will show up and try to take her by force, proving a dangerous adversary for Spiderman and friends.
>Valkyrie doesn't become a real Valkyrie and Thor's love interest off screen. She remains a powerless fan girl along with the rest of the Defenders.
>Carol Danvers will not be evil/incompetent. She will have an initial learning curve, and clearly be less efficient in certain fields than Nick Fury, but she will be good at compromising and coming up with plans on the fly. She will eventually come into her own as director of Shield, just a different kind of Shield than the one Nick lead.
>Red Skull is not Cap's son
>Mr. Sinister doesn't dress like a bum
>The Hellfire Club aren't one shotted by the Phoenix
>When Ultimate Xmen eventually ends, probably on a "class reunion" style anniversary issue, Beast will arrive with a rich blond supermodel mutant girlfriend, to everyones shock and disbelief

>>83875771
cont.

>post-Ultimatum Xmen didn't happen
>Kitty Pryde sticks around as a supporting cast member in Ultimate Spiderman
>Kong doesn't ditch Kitty after saving saving her from the cops, and they actually develop as a couple
>Beast doesn't die 3 times
>Wolverine is kicked out of the Xmen after betraying Scott. He serves as an occasional supporting character from then on, only keeping ties with a handful of characters, and never officially rejoins.
>Scarlet Witch isn't murdered and Quicksilver doesn't go insane or have an oedipus complex
>The Savage Land and Genosha aren't the same place
>Wolverine doesn't have a long lost son
>Deadpool tells jokes
>Juggernaut doesn't look like Pyramid Head
>Shadow King is a recurring villain


>Somebody in upper management prevents me from ever doing anything with Gambit, because I would just kill him off. Really, I would. In the most unflattering way possible.

>>83877237
cont.

Everybody has their own opinion on Miles Morales, and the death of Peter Parker in issue 160, but personally I thought the idea of Miles as a legacy character was sound, if a bit poorly implemented. If it was up to me, things would have gone a little differently:

>Peter Parker starts working with the Ultimates part time around issue 150, when he turns 18. Around the same time, a 14 year old Miles Morales is introduced
>Miles looks up to Spiderman, and has a tough school life; he's bullied, and has to push himself extra hard to please his strict father.
>He gets his powers in a similar way to the original; his uncle is a their, steals the Oz spider, it escapes, Miles gets bit.
>Peter is learning from the Ultimates and his personal life is going pretty good; he has lots of friends, a hot girlfriend and 2 hot ex-girlfriends he still sees, a good job, and he's starting to apply for university (a recommendation from Tony can get him into any college he wants)
>most of the drama comes from the lives of his supporting cast - Gwen's carnage/Eddie Brock problem, Kitty being hounded because of her mutantness, MJ dealing with her inner demons (metaphorical and literal) and wondering if there is still room for her in Peters life, Aunt May and her antics, etc.
>Miles discovering he also has Spiderman powers and his dealing with it will be the backup B-plot of the book
>The two plots stay mainly separate at first, the only connection being Miles hearing about/being present for some of Peter's fights with super villains, making him feel inadequate compared to the real Spiderman.
>Peter will eventually start hearing about the "spider imposter" from social media/JJJ/Carol Danvers, and decides to deal with it himself and not bring in the authorities.
>Around issue 170-175, Peter and Miles finally meet face-to-face

>>83877955
* 165-170

>>83877955
cont.

>Miles is awestruck, which catches Peter off guard, as he was expecting a fight
>Miles accidentally reveals his identity to Peter and explains himself and his circumstances, apologizing for using Spidermans image
>Peter can tell Miles only meant to help people and that he is a good kid, and reveals his own identity to him as a sign of good faith. They talk about themselves and come to a mutual understanding and respect for one another
>A super villain attack occurs nearby and the two of them stop it together. Peter is impressed by Miles.
>Peter meets up with Miles latter, out of costume, and presents him with his own Webshooters
>Peter decides that he is going to train Miles, to better prepare him and help him avoid some of the mistakes and tragedies that Peter experienced.

>All of this is building towards the death of Spiderman, which will occur around issue 200.
>Before that, most of Peter's supporting cast will receive some kind of closure to their story arc's: Kitty will finally get over Peter(though remain friends) and become her own solo hero (and maybe start dating Kong), MJ will finally have to deal with her Goblin side and get closure with her dad, Aunt May finds new direction in life and buries the hatchet with JJJ (perhaps their are hints of romance between the two), Bombshell breaks away from her mother and gets some help, Bobby starts dating Bombshell, Liz joins the Xmen, Spiderwoman and Johnny start dating (much to Peter horror and disgust) showing that Jessica is taking more steps to step out of Peters shadow, etc.
>The death, Peter fighting the sinister six and saving his family will be the same, though the set up will be different
>Ultimates v Avengers doesn't happen, so Peter's injury will come from somewhere else
>When the funeral is held, Miles will have a deeper connection to it because his friend and mentor just died

>>83878722
cont.

>Sometime before he dies, Peter Introduces Miles to his family. Though initially skeptical, they take to him quickly and treat him like part of the family.
>Miles is uncomfortable going behind his own families back like this, as he can't reveal his powers to his dad who hates supers
>Nick Fury makes him his black suit, as a gift to Peter's protege, but Miles is too embarrassed to wear it
>When Peter dies, Miles doesn't know if he should continue on as Spiderman, but after some encouragement from his friend and Peters family, he decides to keep being Spiderman, and puts on the black suit for the first time

>From there, the book is renumbered to #1 (but with the actual number is smaller print below it, #201 or #202 or something) and focuses on Miles and his supporting cast exclusively (who we've gotten to meet in bits and pieces over the last 50 issues) with Peters cast making only the occasional cameo, baring a few exceptions like Spiderwoman

From there, give Miles some villains.
>Prowler: his uncle was a cool, personal villain who died way to quickly. Keep him around.
>The Spot
>Scorpion: an evil Peter clone trying to "get his life back" by killing Miles, his "usurper", could be cool
>Tombstone
>Tarantula
>Will o the Whisp
>Hydro Man
>The Rose: could be a new Kingpin for Miles to take on
>Carrion
>White Rabbit: could serve as his Black Cat type character
>Shriek
>Cardiac
>Puma
There's a lot to choose from, and considering they don't need to be like their 616 counterparts, theres a lot you can do with them.

>>83874114
>More Moonknight
I would have had Moonknight join the Ultimates once his identity became public because of his Navy seal day's and because he was considered to be a hero once he revealed himself.

>>83879415
Perhaps not the main Ultimates, due to his mental state, but I could definitely see them using him as Black ops or an off the books hitman.

>>83879393
cont.

>Miles still has the sting attack, but it'd be nerf'd a bit. Thugs and random minions can be one shot by it, but anyone with superpowers or who is significantly strong will merely be stunned by it. As well, it takes a while for Miles to recharge it.
>Miles's is a lot more willing to use his camp ability, but he can't use his sting while he is invisible, plus he has to keep his concentration to hold it
>As he gets older, he will be able to control these powers better and for longer, but it takes practice. When he starts off, he doesn't even know how to properly activate these abilities, and maybe even stings someone by accident.
>Miles doesn't realize that Jessica is a clone of Peter, and she doesn't tell him because she doesn't want to make things awkward. He assumes she is related to Peter, but then he figures she is like him, until she has to finally come clean about it.
>Spiderwoman isn't hostile to Miles. She wants to help him because she knows Peter trusted him.
>JJJ isn't against the new spiderman, nor does he openly embrace him: he writes very in-depth pieces examining the positives and negatives of Miles and the impact spiderman has on new york, as well as generally being very critical of superheroes in general and examining their impact on society. This surprises just about everyone, and builds on JJJ's character development.