Poor Frank, why do people hate him so much, he's one of the greatest comic writers of the last 40 years.
Because most of his work sucks.
It'd be a little more poignant if you posted something more recent than 2005. Here's one from 2011.
>>83852408
he kind of looks like shit there too
hair, especially defining features like eyebrows and eyelashes, makes a big difference to how we perceive faces, and its absence - especially when there isn't even an indication of shaving because the follicles aren't producing it any more - is unnerving, so we tend to think of that as sicknesswhich is why people hate Superman now
>>83852249ANTS
>>83852316
I would bet money that you haven't actually read most of his work.
anybody who hates miller for his politics is a dumb faggot who doesn't deserve to be taken seriously in any medium, probably some regressive john oliver watching faggot
i'm liberal as fuck and i love miller, flaws and all. he's a top 10 writer, his art style is completely unique and recognizable and he is single-handily responsible for EVERY derivative of modern batman and daredevil. that's TWO characters that everybody still copies his influences. not to mention his creator stuff was fun
absolutely based contributions to the medium
>>83852249
he's a bit of an easy target.
People can just mutter some shit about "whores" and think they've delivered some sort of zinger
>>83852601
>anybody who hates miller for his politics
he does put his politics straight into his work unfiltered, so this statement is inaccurate
whether you agree with his views or not, it's possible to hate soapboxers liker Miller, and if we were to accept your argument - well, you're pretty much saying people should have sat through Sin City 2 because fuck their opinions, he made the movie, if anything they owe him money and why should they get to choose what they like or dislike
cuntboi
>>83852249
The Dark Knight: The last Crusade which just came out was amazing though.
>>83852516
Maybe I haven't read everything he's ever done, but what i have was nothing special. Most was shit, in fact.
>>83852601
>he is single-handily responsible for EVERY derivative of modern batman and daredevil
Fuck off casual, to deny the hand of Denny O'Neil in both those characters (O'Neil's run on Batman being the template for how Miller wrote the character and returning to him to his darker roots in the first place, as well as O'Neil being the editor of DD for Miller's run where O'Neil fired Roger Mckenzie from writing and handed it off to Miller who was then just doing art, allowing Miller to become a big time writer in the first place) is to be a fucking liar and shows a deep level of ignorance.
Frank Miller is the Simpsons incarnate
>>83852601
He hasn't written anything good since the 90s though.
But I thank him for Daredevil, Sin City and the 300 movies because those are pretty neat blockbusters.
I still have to read Ronin and Martha Washington. Didn't like his Batman except for Year One.
>>83852249
He dresses like a fedora wearing brony
>>83852830
He's old, he can do so.
>>83852815
Dark Knight: Last crusade came out the other day and is amazing. More similar to Year One than his other work.
DK2 is decent
>Don’t talk to me ‘bout MCs got skills/
>He’s alright but he’s not real.
Sums up Frank and a lot of classic comic creators
Only Super fags hate him because he exposed their favourite mary sue
>>83852856
>DK2 is decent
DK2 is a mess.
>>83852856
I'd prefer DK2s forward thinking misguided progressivism over the reductive nature of Last Crusdae, as good as it was
It's like when a music act goes to Vegas. They know their best days are behind them
>>83852667
he didn't make sin city 2 that's still a film adaption
it's possible to hate soapboxers but nobody hated miller for soapboxing back when he was a liberal in the 70s-90s. when he went full neo-con after 9/11 people started to shit on him which is completely hypocritical
bendis soapboxes, but we shit on him his bad writing
brubaker and fraction occasionally soapbox, but they're mostly liked
fucking claremont soapboxed for a decade but nobody hates that because he was on the right side of history (mostly)
hell even johns occasionally soapboxes
the people who hate miller hate him because of his politics which is what they hate but then they apply it to the man. which is bullshit. i don't care for his politics but i'm not going to hate the man for it, especially when i never did before but then again, regressive left, cognitive dissonance, etc. They're all liars who don't care what somebody says as long as they agree with it
miller could announce a new project involving Puppies vs Kittens and we all know the headlines would be "Crazy old man Miller is going to ruin your childhood dreams" or some shit like that.
also, ronin is great and i'm surprised it hasn't been adapted as a movie
>>83852910
In what way was LC reductive?
>>83852601
>his art style is completely unique
It's heavily influenced by whoever he's interested in at the moment. This is Frank Miller circa 1978.
>>83852249
>why do people hate him so much
He doesn't draw in a style mainstream readers are comfortable with.
>>83852915
>he didn't make sin city 2 that's still a film adaption
He co-directed it.
>>83852892
Nice bait, if you actually read his books you'd see that he really likes Superman, he has him as a great man put in an impossible position
>>83852843
Well yeah, he can
He still looks as stupid as those bronies
>>83852939
The Frank Miller you think of who worked on Daredevil was heavily influenced by Lone Wolf and Cub.
The layouts in Dark Knight Returns borrow liberally from what he saw two artists he shared a loft with doing: Howard Chaykin and Walt Simonson. If you've read American Flagg! and Simonson's Thor/FF, you'll see a lot of the same visual decompression, breakdowns and action.
Frank's a great artist in his own right, but he's as open to influence as any other. What's somewhat unique is his scratchy, angular inking which Holy Terror shows subsuming his style altogether to the point of being visually unappealing to some.
>>83852966
TCJ:it seems like you take a certain pleasure in beating up Superman.
MILLER: I know. Why is that? I must have issues. I don’t know. There’s always been something about Superman that says, “I can fly and you can’t.”
TCJ: You want to give him his comeuppance?
MILLER: Yeah.
>>83852815
>He hasn't written anything good since the 90s though.
I'm struggling to think of an 80s comics legend who HASN'T become a shambling self-caricature by this point. JRJR draws doughy monsters, Chaykin's characters are all guidos and he's rehashed the same exact ideas about the future at least 3 times, Claremont's gone straight to pure fetish, Byrne is insane and can only draw caricature…
>>83852249
>Poor Frank, why do people hate him so much
It part of the curse of Stan Lee sucking one's life force
>>83853059
Really doesn't change the fact that Miller respects Superman as a character and remains very loyal to his characterization
>>83853012
Sin City was heavily influenced by Alec Sinner
There's also some Hugo Pratt in DKR, but not as much as there was Moebius in Ronin
>>83853086
he also doesn't make Superman take life lessons from a pet OC like Ennis did
>>83852792
i'm not denying denny O
it's just that miller is more influential. everything with gordon and batman and year one is STILL trying to be emulated to this day, not to mention everything about his relationship to his friends and his early years with the mob, etc
denny O brought him back to his dark era after the 60s campy shit but he still dealt with it in a comic booky way, with ra's, other classic super villains. miller grounded bats more
and being editor for DD is just being editor. he did his job, he fired a bad writer and brought in miller but miller still had the ideas and wrote/drew it. give that credit where credit is due. and considering what miller took from DD and transfered it to bats, he is obviously the guy
o'neil is obviously the guy from arrow though
>>83852249
>why do people hate him so much
Because he's been shit since 2001.
>>83853086
I completely disagree. I think Frank dislikes the very concept of Superman, but as evidenced in DKR, DKSA, and Superman 400, he respects the creators behind the character.
It's clear enough since DKSA is Miller having a play around the Silver Age Schwartz/Weisinger toybox of the DC Universe
>>83853073
Walt Simonson did Orion in the 2000's, The Judas Coin graphic novel in 2013, and he's still doing Ragnarok
>>83852966
Dark Knight Returns was actually the book that made me like Superman for the first time since I was a little kid.
>>83853073
>Claremont's gone straight to pure fetish
I must investigate further, tell me what you know.
>>83852959
look at miller anon, do you think he really directed anything?
robert rodriguez LOVES miller. he has stated over and over he couldn't have made the films by himself because he borrowed so much from miller's layouts and it wouldn't be fair to not credit miller
he actually RESIGNED from the director's guild because of rules where he couldn't credit miller as "co-director." it's just honorary. like how stan lee gets an exec prod credit in every marvel property even though he has nothing to do with production
rodriguez is a true bro
>>83852249
Because his work appeals to edgelords and basement-dwelling batman "fans"
>>83853146
In what world is DK2 evidence for him hating Supes? You might as well say he hates Captain Marvel
>>83852249
>why do people hate him so much
Because they're plebs, all of them. Plebs. TDKSA and ASBAR are the only patrician capeshit. Anyone who disagrees is wrong.
>>83853059
>What is joking
>>83853191
>look at miller anon, do you think he really directed anything?
Yes, The Spirit.
>>83853099
And to continue my point, Frank only let himself be influenced by giants, so you can't fault his taste.
>>83853133
>>83852792
Denny took Batman out of the Silver age but was still writing him as a guy who would trust a street thug enough to get coldcocked by him.
Frank took the characters much more seriously than Denny did. He made Alfred the iron girder we all know and love without compromising him as a gentleman's gentleman. He gave Jim Gordon a reason to exist as a clean cop on a dirty force. These two things are substantial to the book.
>>83853221
The fact that Batman humiliates him consistently until his eyes are opened by his daughter that power isn't to be merciful and chained but the inherent right of the mighty to impose their will?
You know, the kind of thing Superman usually stands against?
And the fact that interpreting Superman as a sneering alien with a holier than thou attitude also runs counter current, considering even in the Super Dickery days of Weisinger he was at least given empathy and remorse
>>83853227
>I'm done talking.
>Get out of my cave.
Sounds like something a typical /co/ poster says to their mother.
>>83853214
>basement-dwelling batman "fans"
No they just like the Superman and Batman fight at the end of DKR. Even then only on the surface as a fight without thinking anything about what's going on in the story. Power level shit
>>83853230
I bet you think DKSA is a "satire"
>>83853271
heh
>>83853250
2008 miller is a different person compared to 2014 miller, look at OP's picture for god sakes
>>83853073
O'Neil, though he hasn't really done anything in 10 years he never disgraced himself
Adams to certain extent, his art is still awesome, but he's a batshit writer
Morrison obviously
Gaiman
Perez
>>83853184
>mind control
>dominatrix outfits
>>83852856
>DK2 is decent
It's a mess, and at best "so bad it's good"
>>83853270
Whut Superman doesn't do the might makes right thing, he disagrees with his daughter, which is shown even more definitively by his daughter fucking his shit up in Dk3
>>83852744
>generic response
>>83853184
X-Men Forever is a continuation of the book at the point where he left it, except now no one's reining in his mind control, bondage, body swap, tentacle etc. fetishes.
>>83853117
Guess you didn't read Hitman 34 then. He just gave him some perspective and confidence. By your logic this is a pet OC giving him life lessons
>>83853288
Don't blame other people when you're too autistic to tell when someone is joking in an interview.
>>83853328
We need more Neal Adams insanity and you know it. He should do standalones of Marvel titles next.
>>83853421
>you're too autistic to tell when someone is joking in an interview
Dude that's most of /co/. People get bent out of shape over every dry joke Alan Moore or Brandon Graham make
>>83853073
Keith Giffen.
>>83853288
It's certainly a parody of then current cape comics.
Not a great one, but not a shit one either
>>83853349
>>83853378
I expected something less vanilla
>>83852249
He used to be....40 years ago
>>83853411
>Guess you didn't read Hitman 34 then
I did, and I found it trite as fuck. This is a guy who has served in the JLA for at least 5 years by that point and has seen death. He doesn't need Tommy to explain The Big Picture to him and it was cringe to read.
What you posted is pretty typical "letter to superhero" like has been done in multiple books like Thor. It's not giving a life lesson to a superhero, it's juxtaposing the public's perception against their reality.
Worse, Hitman 34 cements the entire Space Jesus thing as hard as Snyder in MoS with Christ-El standing in space saying "IF YOU ONLY KNEW HOW MUCH YOU WERE LOVED" which is as on the nose as fuck for an otherwise decent writer.
>>83853530
Um... biracial girls? Storm was supposed to transracial and shit.
>>83853480
IDK, I found the last Ambush Bug he did to be depressingly dry. But I'll agree he's not a burnout.
>>83853530
>I expected something less vanilla
It's not a MAX title dude, if you were expecting Dolcett I have bad news for you
>>83852915
>also, ronin is great and i'm thankful to every god in the sky that it hasn't been turned in to a movie and ruined by normie bandwagoning
I agree.
>>83852249
Does he have cancer?
>>83853560
The convergence mini? I don't know I enjoyed it. Also liking his current Sugar & Spike strip in Legends of Tomorrow.Also I mostly know Giffen from his New52 work. The only thing of his before then I've read so far is his Justice League run. So I'm more commenting on him still being good rather than as good as he used to be.
>>83853560
Year None? It had a few good jokes in it like all the dead female bodies just shoved into objects in the background of panels
>>83852915
>fucking claremont soapboxed for a decade but nobody hates that because he was on the right side of history (mostly)
The entire point of the book during his run was that his characters represented a hated and feared class of people, 1980s comic books weren't going to be subtle about that no matter who wrote them.
Also, it gave us Tourette's Kitty
>>83853618
He hasn't officially said anything but people assume so, yes
>>83852856
DKSA rules because it's just straight up MAD Magazine shit.
>>83853628
>The only thing of his before then I've read so far is his Justice League run.
Same here. I wasn't a Legion fan.
In terms of getting a visceral reaction from a comic, DK2 is fucking great. I admit the Robin subplot is weak and unnecessary, but when Bats let that Hawk kid get RETRIBUTION, it gave me good and bad chills at the same time.
Even if you hate the politics or even the execution, you have to give the man points for trying to do something interesting. How many beige and grey comics out there just flow over you without rustling your neurons at all?
Like, everything Geoff Johns every wrote? Not actually bad, but you can't remember a thing that happened a day later.
Hal living as green construct with his weirdo wife and kid is an image that's stuck with me. Even if it's an alt version of Hal, it's made me like the real one better, thinking about how he has it in him to tell Earth and everyone else to fuck off and go live in a giant disco ball.
>>83853618
he was certainly getting treatment for something serious. He looks better now so it's probably in remission
>>83853659
>someone else appreciates outsider art, satire, and batshit roller-coaster insanity
hi friend. Varley's colors are kinda hard on the eyes, but otherwise DKSA is truly under-appreciated by the mainstream.
>This should be agony. I should be a mass of aching muscle - broken, spent, unable to move. And, were I an older man, I surely would ... ... but I'm a man of thirty - of twenty again. The rain on my chest is a baptism - I'm born again ...
He looks better than he did a few years ago and The Dark Knight: The Last Crusade was great.
>>83853510
In the TCJ interview he specifically states his intention was to write his version of a Silver Age story.
There's nothing current about DKSA besides the format, coloring, and structure. The characters and plot are clear throwbacks
>>83853761
Miller looks like he transforming into Robert Crumb
>>83852249
I don't hate him. I feel sadness. This guy was the father of the Dark Age. A titan. One of the few American capeshit writers who writes readible stuff.
It's like Marlon Brando, or Orson Welles, except he didn't get fat.
>>83853659
Brian Hibbs reviewed it years ago and thought it was more like the Mad Magazine Superduperman than a DKR sequel, and Miller later told Hibbs that he got it.
Linkara hates him, so I love him.
>>83852249
I wouldn't have a problem with Miller if every 12-18 year old out there didn't think he was the second coming of hardcore Jesus.
Call me a hipster or elitist or whatever, but he and Moore are almost singlehandedly responsible for the current generation of comicbook egdelords, and at least Moore has the grace to feel bad about it.
>>83854820
This is one of the best moments in comics. The whole issue is gold.
>>83854820
source?
Please spoon feed me, i'm sorry.
>>83854820
But that's one of the best issues of anything ever.
>>83854919
All Star Batman and Robin #9
>>83854919
All star batman and robin
>>83852249
Never read him so can't really be bothered about him. I just know enough about him to know that I'm not interested in reading anything he put out. And I agree with the folks who blame him for the shit across all book publishing (indie, big 2, etc.) that's crappy as being at minimum a focusing factor on bringing it about.
>>83854979
>starts having sex
>panel of flash of lightning
>then throws a tantrum over Canary mentioning Superman and making fun of his car
That's great
ASBAR is great
>>83854919
All Star Batman and Robin.
>>83854999
>I just know enough about him to know that I'm not interested in reading anything he put out.
No, you don't know enough.
>>83855035
>>83854979
>>83854948
Thanks guys. Love you.
>>83852249
Those clothes doesn't helt either, the light colors just brings more attention to his complexion.
>>83854820
Oh MY god I ALMOST forgot his weird emphasis-THING.
Reminder.
He still doesn't look too well, but he's cleaned up a bit now.
>>83852830
Fedora can only be pulled of by men over 50, if your younger than that don't even attempt it.
You'll look like a faggot.
>>83852601
this
i even know communists that enjoy frank's work
>>83855514
Is Frank wearing a Batmanga shirt?
>>83852915
Worst thing is people always say "Frank Miller went crazy, this comic is crazy era Miller"
He didn't go crazy, his political views changed.
>>83853618
I think he has pancreatic cancer, I saw an article a year or two back with the title "Frank Miller has cancer, has his racism come back to haunt him?"
Nothing has triggered me more than that article, could never find it again though.
>>83853761
How can some body go from looking 40 to 75 in ten years?
Cancer, I guess, takes its toll....
>>83854516
Fuck Linkara, most irritating voice I've ever heard, he looks like a bring, and the annoyed reaction faces he makes are pure cringe,
In fact, he is pure cringe.
>>83855956nasty cock slut
I'm sorry, but DKR is 90% talking head filler
>>83855923
Also a life of heavy drinking
>>83857076
Nah, it's at least 75%.
>>83854516
Linkara is a huge faggot and in the off chance he's in this thread,Linkara you are one of worst people on earth and i hope someone smothers you with your fedora you fat useless cunt.
>>83855923
In fairness Alan Moore is only 60 and he looks like King theodin when he was being manipulated by wormtongue.
>>83855892
>I think he has pancreatic cancer,
Fuck. That got my grandpa. However he's looking now, it's gonna get worse.
I wish I understood what people like about DKR so much. And here I'm talking outside of historical significance.
People talk about the type of paneling making it impressive which I dont really understand, but I guess that's on me. In general, I might lack some appreciation for visuals.
>>83852612
Frank's inability to be subtle, especially with sexual themes is also something I dont really care for though.
>>83853540
>I did, and I found it trite as fuck.
I would argue that an earnest Superman story is far more poignant than the meandering stuff DC has done with him 90% of the time.
>This is a guy who has served in the JLA for at least 5 years by that point and has seen death.
Oh wow, holy shit, are you one of those types? DO you actually think Ennis gave a fuck about continuity? It's meant to be a timeless commentary on the character of Superman, not a bullshit continuity jerkoff.
>>83852966
He has a weird hateboner for Superman.
>>83852249
>why do people hate him so much
Ah, you've never actually met the guy in person.
>people in this thread actually enjoyed ASBAR and TDKSA, let alone TDKR
>>83859376
Somehow people forget that he put 8 straight pages of Supes and Wondy having sex into a book for no discernible reason. Not to mention his explicit attention to Vicki Vale's lingerie-covered butt, his decision to make Selina an actual prostitute, and all the other weird sex stuff he can't stop writing. I had to stop reading when I saw Carrie in the literal catsuit. She's supposed to be 13 and this is how he dressed her.
>>83852249
>Crazy
>Sexist
>Xenophobic
>>83861500
I'll give you TDKSA and TDKR, but don't shit talk ASBAR.
>>83859376
It is a gorgeous
measured
immaculate
precise
work of action storytelling and world building and character building and perfect motion and all stuck in that amazing 4x4 Grid
The art in that book is nothing short of spectacular and I LOVE IT
>>83861608
> Carrie in the literal catsuit.
Wasnt DKSA several years after DKR?
He drew circles around all mainstream artists in the 80s and then he went and wrote circles around them too
There is enough good stuff there that I will always enjoy his work and line.
>>83853842
Robert Crumb is a badass, though. As much as I like Miller Bats (including DKSA, but not ASBAR) it really doesn't do a whole lot new. Robert Crumb lays not just his fetishes but his entire fucked up weirdness in his comics.
Ronin
Sin City
DKR
DKSA
Big Guy and Rusty
Hard Boiled
Love and War
Elektra Assassin
Daredevil
Born Again
Man Without Fear
Elektra Lives Again
Terminator vs. Robocop
Year One
Martha Washington (original series)
Are the works of his I like no questions asked
There are maybe 4 or 5 other people with as rock solid a resume of work as Millers 80s. and I mean in any creative thing. He really is one of the all time greats.
>>83862667
Beyond that his influence and the influences he brought into comics or helped foster in comics are also things people often take for granted.
>>83862456
Could you elaborate? Give me some examples of your favorite parts and why they are your favorite?
You dont have to if you dont want to of course. I'd just like to understand why people sing it's praises so much.
>>83852915
>miller could announce a new project involving Puppies vs Kittens and we all know the headlines would be "Crazy old man Miller is going to ruin your childhood dreams" or some shit like that.
To be fair, Frank Miller's Puppies vs. Kittens does sound less like a fun romp and more like the set-up to some intense animal-on-animal violence.
>>83862786
Sure
The thing about DKR is I think most of the pages in the book are perfect.
This is the best you will ever see the Origin of Batman the pacing of these panels is so perfect
>>83862924
The ways in which he keeps everything in the 4x4 whether the page is horizontal like this one or
>>83862969
Vertical ones like this
The supremely powerful moments when the grid falls away (but is still signified perfectly.
>>83863003
>>83862705
yep yep yep
The top 4 panels of this page show the perfect panel to panel movement found throughout the book really well.
You can track everything straight across them.
So, has it ever been explained why Bruce hates Dick in the DKR universe?
His depiction of the TVs and the look everyone has reading the news and all that is spot on.
Robocop loved stealing from it, and don't you like Robocop?
The coolest bit of DKR though is that nothing else really looks like this because it is the book that Miller's style coalesced into something real.
His Daredevil and Ronin were pulling from styles and influences and growing and growing as he went on with them but it is here
That it doesn't look like these 3 other artists it just looks like Frank Miller
>all these tasteless shits willingly outing themselves
Frank Miller is the greatest pleb filter in comics.
This page does a good job summing up why it works so well and why no one has really been able to replicate it.
People look at DKR and only see the serious stuff and the grounded stuff and the fight with Superman but the truth about the book is his line on this page
This book is
"Twice as big as you can imagine" in every way.
>>83852249
Hey there true believer. How you feeling? Almost harvest time.
>>83852601
This
Miller did the thing that all of us hope we can.
He took a bunch of influences from all the stuff he likes, he melted them all down and what emerged was not a horrible monstrosity but a style all his own, forged out of those influences.
Now for my part I prefer Ronin because I love his take on those influences but Dark Knight Returns is a hard book to not enjoy.
>>83862924
>Oke, so what is happening here?
>Alright, scrolling through this page I see a boy, gunfire, a lady with pearls, all in a dark place so I guess this is when Bruce's parents die
>Who's hand is that in front of Bruce
>The fist in front of Bruce's face suggests to me that maybe someone is about to backhand him or something
>Oh from this new perspective I guess I can see it's Thomas raising his hand to protect his son
>And here we see that raising his fist too far to maybe attack the shooter is what caused Thomas to be shot, that's a neat detail
>Hey in the second pannel of the trigger being pulled the shading and how fat the finger is kinda makes it look like the gun is in the other hand now. Anyway
>Strange how there's so much emphasis on this one shot while we know his mom get shot too
>Hey the lines on Bruce's shirt make it look like Thomas is grasping at his chest even though his hand is mostly flat and doesnt really look like it's grasping. That's weird
>On the next panel my attention is drawn to a line in the middel of Bruce's chest but I cant really tell what the line is supposed to signify or why its there
>Is this Martha being shot?
>I cant really tell because the lighting around the gun just looks like lit up night sky
>I guess the smoke is supposed to clue me in, or was it from the previous shot?
>And then I guess this is where pearls go a-rollin
I just cant into this, man. I can fully accept this as myself being too retard to appreciate this somehow but I just dont see it.
Can we talk about underrated masterpiece Elektra Lives Again in this thread? I think it's the peak of his artistic ability.
>>83863467
I think to be honest you are overthinking it.
Just gotta let it flow over you, I was like that but I stopped worrying and just let art and comics panels work over me instead of constantly trying to worry about what was happening.
It is very easy to get too caught up in your head reading this stuff.
>>83852601
I can dislike him for the same reason I dislike Loeb. Something happened in the recent past that made him kind of lose his mind, but he kept on writing.
>>83862351
>Sexist
go back to your hugbox
>>83853012
>The Frank Miller you think of who worked on Daredevil was heavily influenced by Lone Wolf and Cub.
It's hilarious to think of how much of a proto-weeb the guy was.
>>83864054
It is a real good thing that he can still draw in that case.
>>83861269
This is DC, don't ever talk shit abut continuity again.
>I would argue that an earnest Superman story is far more poignant than the meandering stuff DC has done with him 90% of the time.
This isn't earnest, it's mawkish. Learn the difference.
>>83855514
> alcoholic on the left, vegetarian on the right
This would be the last time they met as friends
>>83862924
>>83862969
This I like. The bats not as bats but just screeching darkness impresses the sense of helplesness pretty nicely.
>>83862986
>>83863003
Wouldnt going from any, regularly panelled page to a splash page or similar like this have pretty much the same effect?
>>83863016
>>83863062
>Bat's shooting rope gun
>Hits the other side
>Oh I guess that pin was just in the ground already somehow
>Bats getting shot at
I mean I guess mirroring Bats's rope gun with the actual guns on the other side is nice. Isnt this after he shoots that kid with the M60 though? Either way, makes the nonleathal ideal kinda moot.
I find the transition kinda jarring in any case.
Also makes Bats seem kinda bumbling running into gunfire like that.
>>83863105
>>83863129
>>83863165
>>83863214
>>83863383
Anyway, I still dont see it. I dont see what's impressive about keeping to a grid of panels.
>>83864019
I would like it if you told me more about why you like this. So far you've shown me stuff and said to me that it's good stuff but I think I would have an easier job getting into it if I understand what you felt when you look at this.
I dont FEEL much because of these pages. What is it you FEEL?
>>83864209
I would love to continue this but imma go story time something
Feel free to come along.
>>83864086
>It's hilarious to think of how much of a proto-weeb the guy was.
He wasn't the only one, you know
>>83864256
Yeah, I guess it doesnt really matter.
I just wish Kevin Smith wouldnt be so disappointed in me.
>>83862512
yeah, three. so she isn't thirteen but she is still a minor and her sexualization in dksa is kind of gross.
>>83864500
so she's 16, which is legal in practically every country outside of america.
It not eve sexulised
One thing I find absolutely hilarious is how Miller gets crapped on for being some sort of hyperconservative troglodite in the industry, but back to the rest of america, he's not even particularly far right. I mean he supports Hillary for president.
>>83864617
>It not eve sexulised
i like dksa. it's funny-- but carrie was sexualized-- not so much comparatively to the naked news anchors or whatever, but it's there.
dick grayson "joker" even calls her jailbait after beating her to a pulp because she's in the way of his mad homolust for bruce.
>>83855956
>>83857686
I honestly can't believe I used to watch him. Then I realized "shit, I'm watching a grown man in a fedora and trench coat use a toy gun scream about comics, while fucking a trans fatass black woman, complete with his own theme song".
>>83852744
Sounds like you're just one of those people who put out their opinion even though they know nothing about what they're talking about.
>>83864765
Drawing the outline of a person's body doesn't count as sexualizing them. And even if it did, shouldn't you be bitching about high school girl panty shots in manga more than this?
Hard to be liked in a medium dominated by manchildren and sjws.
>>83865550
>I honestly can't believe I used to watch him
Cause you're a pleb just like him
>>83852511
Is that 2nd pic Dr. Eggman?
>>83864209
The grids give best reading rhythm and ability to have the most dynamic action on the page, by sheerly having more panels in the larger pages. Small grid inserts with splash scenes compactly can connect monologue with both facial emotion and action, in a way that using larger panels cannot in so many pages.
For the talking heads Miller created a way to jam in exposition while not only making it unobtrusive for the reader, but also being able to provide comedic breaks as well. A large grid of small panels lets him do this in 1 page instead of 5
>>83866779
Yes
>>83853619
>kid turns into Donald Trump
>>83852601
Ugh ... is like you didnt even bother to read all of comicsalliance thought provoking articles about how he really was a bad influence on Batman and the entire comic book industry
>>83866779
...Fuck, now I can't un-see it.
>>83852249
He has some pretty backwards opinions, and hasn't made a good book since the late 90's. Personally I love some of his books, and regardless of his late career content I think his body of work will hold up.
>>83869125
>backwards opinions
I know nothing about Frank, but I would like to know this.
>>83869160
Probably referring to his opinions on Islam.
>>83869203
Also the way he writes women, also just like, all of 300.
>>83869203
What are his opinions on Islam?
>>83869239
That they've contributed nothing to humanity and are a skidmark on our planet
>>83852516
Why would they keep reading everything if they dislike it? lol
>>83869251
well... seems okay in my book
...okay not really, a bit too harsh
>>83852667
Is Sin City 2 really not at all worth watching then?
>>83869324
I didn't hate it, but it's not nearly as good as the first.
>>83869324
I've heard it's good, but they really missed the mark releasing it so many years after the first.
>>83869239
go read HOLY TERROR where a not-Batman sides with a not-Catwoman in a not-Gotham City to take down Al-Qaeda and avenge a not-Commissar Gordon.
>>83869251
Okay, but what did he say that was incorrect?
>>83869228
> the way he writes women
is that seriously an argument? are you genuinely trying to say Miller cant write women? Carrie? Martha Washington? Elektra?
>>83869347
I'll give it a try sometime then. Cheers.
>>83852249
Wow...I really can hate someone to death.
>>83853411
Jesus Christ, I must have a brain tumor. That made me tear up.
>>83852815
>300 movies
Those are worse than the books however. The only good thing about the movies is they got a generation of kids and teens interested in the books.
>>83864290
God I hate Claremont dialogue.
>>83855956
>most irritating voice I've ever heard
He looks and sounds like a grown-up Mike Teevee.
>>83857847
His beard's so heavy it's pulling his face down.
>>83869434
He's wrong. You can respect the man and his contributions, but that doesn't make his outrageous political beliefs gospel.
He wrote Batman, he's not bulletproof
I can still enjoy DKR and Ronin and acknowledge he doesn't have a clue when making a statement like " 'those people' couldn't invent a microphone"
>>83855514
Look at the hands, that's the true indication.
>>83869691
Just because you find his beliefs outrageous doesn't make him wrong.
>>83864500
>16 is a minor
>America
The puritans really have your nation by the balls, don't they?
>>83861608
But that's all good, man.
>>83869714
And yet just because he's famous and draws comics and is admirable to you he's right?
>>83852249
He's kinda responsible for turning comics super edgy. I don't remember the TKR joker telling a single joke.
>>83852249
He was right and you didn't listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zl_vD4oxtE (he makes no apologies)
