Can we just take a moment and appreciate that, for whatever anyone thinks about the quality of DC Rebirth, DC has had ZERO PR DISASTERS so far.
I don't know if anyone remembers 2011 and the lead-up/first months of New 52, but it was a fucking shit show.
This alone makes me more hopeful that we're in for a better era of comics.
>>83850993
Please provide some examples.
>had ZERO PR DISASTERS so far.
way to jinx it, what are they gonna try to rush out late friday to avoid the news cycle now
>>83851057
Wonder Woman pants.
Superman/Lois breakup articles.
Whatever the fuck Teen Titans was supposed to be.
Supergirl's diaper.
The first few months of Red Hood.
>>83850993
2011 through 2013 was basically a daily PR disaster for DC. Everyone shits on The Outhousers for being anti-DC clickbait, but there was a very good reason that they made that "__ days since DC fucked up" thing, and its because during that period, it felt like every week there was a new case of a writer walking out and screaming about editorial incompetence or issue with someone saying something at a con or what have you.
DC kinda got their shit together since then though.
>>83851057
People were upset over the Superman trunks.
People thought Batman would be starting all over with Dick as a teen Robin.
Wonder Woman: Pants? No pants?
52 titles are way too many. (This is I agree with, DC Explosion all over again.)
It's too edgy.
Rooftop sex!
Too edgy!
Lost character histories!
Edgy!
Just to name a few. I agree with some. DC didn't find their footing again until Forever Evil brought back the campier elements of the DC universe and DC You, while a failure, brought some really solid titles.
>>83851145
Plus all the creators who thought they were the creative teams but were actually just pitching actively aired their shit in public.
No one is doing that now.
>>83851145
That's only sjws and casuals crying
>>83850993
>so far
And therein lies the problem.
>This alone makes me more hopeful that we're in for a better era of comics
You for real?
>>83851173
Oh god, I forgot about that Catwoman title.
Plus cancelling Batman, Inc.
Plus Amazon rapists/murderers (which immediately followed that whole Wonder Woman has a father stuff).
>>83851212
Yeah, sjw's were complaining about Superman getting "cucked."
>>83851248
I don't mind the Zeus retcon, but the rapist amazons felt like it was trying to go Game of Thrones without any real substance. Liked the run, but what the hell?
>>83851301
I don't mind the father stuff either, but it definitely caused a bunch of negative press.
There was some good stuff in the New 52, but all the bad PR was like a wet blanket.
Anyone remember when DC had a contest to draw Harley Quinn committing suicide, but they accidentally held the contest during Suicide Prevention Week? Good times.
>>83850993
>the lead-up
If we're counting the lead-up then the Shelly Bond and Eddie Berganza PR disaster took place during the lead-up to Rebirth.
You have been proven wrong.
Apologize.
>>83851395
What? I seemed to have missed that particular fuck up.
And yet the initial 52 output had three black male leads, a good number of female leads, a latino led comic, 2 if not 3 lgbt led comics, and diversity in genre. All of that was squandered by the likes of Janelle Asselin and DC Women Kicking Ass and Comic Alliance and Chris Sims and others with a grudge because they couldn't or no longer could get work from DC.
>>83851395
Also the Harley Game boy story came out in 9/11
SuperMan cucked where?
>>83851395
I remember the contest and it causing controversy, I missed on that detail though.
>>83851395
I refuse to believe this happened.
>>83851451
Your point being what? That sjws are cannibalistic?
>>83851212
The SJWs were happy about Wondy pants and no one but us nerds were bitching about Supergirl's ugly costume design. I don't even think the SJWs were aware of Slut-fire.
>>83850993
>Zero PR disasters
That's not saying much on DC's behalf considering how the internet is liable to jump down their throats and overreact about goddamn anything. Tumblr could wake up on the wrong side of the bed and decide that DC's dogwhistling for MRA guys based on nothing.
>>83851469
It happened. Jim Lee had to come to P&C rescue. Palmiotti wrote a long as fuck apology on FB and the Harley #0 Director's Cut issue had ANOTHER apology. Man what a shitfest that was
>>83851395
>>83851469
Oh it definitely happened. I remember it fondly. It was around that time that this image was created and it went back to 0 at least a couple of times a week.
I'm just glad New 52 is finally over.
I mean that's really not saying much considering how much of nothing Rebirth is trying to do. It's been just a couple of mediocre storylines and costume changes so far.
>>83851469
>>83851462
>>83851424
http://www.dailydot.com/fandom/dc-comics-kill-naked-harley-quinn-contest/
>But DC's latest art contest, featuring popular villain Harley Quinn, they're offering lucky artists the chance to begin their careers in the industry—if they can effectively draw a naked woman preparing to kill herself.
>The contest comes on the eve of National Suicide Prevention Week, and many comics fans are outraged.
>>83851595
Holy fuck, who in Odin's name approved this?
no one is mentioning all the editorial disasters, perez leaving superman, diggle getting and not getting a run on Action comics, gail simone fired over email, the damoenite shit, the young justice line.
>>83851631
no one cares about things that will affect the actual quality of the comics
>>83851395
The best part of the "find new undiscovered artists" contest was that the winner had almost a hundred comics under his belt, some of which were DC.
>>83851595
>if they can effectively draw a naked woman preparing to kill herself.
Who thought this was a good idea?
There's a small group of people on twitter who are forever-mad about Berganza's continued employment and they're going to mention it whenever they can.
>>83851732
and they should be, aside from whatever sexual harassment claims are made against him, Berganza is a horrible editor
>>83851595
Oh man. Good timesI defended them
>>83851732
Good, maybe they'll finally get rid of him.
He's pure shit as an editor.
>>83851732
as they should be
>>83851732
And they should be. He's a terrible person and terrible editor.
>>83851719
To be fair, the subject was a great pick. The timing - eh, a little unfortunate.
>>83851779
Why tho?
who's been editing all the rebirth books? i haven't even looked
>>83851773
>>83851784
>>83851799
His books are selling just as much as anyone else's, so it's not happening. There's so much mediocrity that one has to be sales poison to get dropped.
>>83851145
>The first few months of Red Hood.
What?
>>83851855
>not muh Starfire
>>83851827
Characterfags need to be dragged in the streets and shot.
>>83851814
Because I thought they were good writers and nothing bad could came out of that. I was a pretty dumb casual at the time. How do I regret it
>>83851874
>>not muh Starfire
Oh did people not like slutfire?
Titans isn't under Berganza anymore!!! we have a chance
>>83851801
I agree. It's a very nice idea and I admit the non-pc aspect of it is also good.
I personally wouldn't even mind the bad timing.
But I'm sure DC would if they realised it beforehand. Which makes it hilarious.
>>83851855
Starfire was grossly mischaracterized and very sexualized
>>83851948
>grossly mischaracterized
I liked her
>>83851913
So what does Berganza edit in Rebirth?
>>83851948
Aside from the cartoon, Starfire was always sexualized, and a reboot is as good a time as any to change a character's personality. I'll agree that they should have made her more like Toonfire, which they eventually did with her solo.
>>83851948
Go back to Tumblr
>>83851968
Emotionless girl who just offers sex to not talk about things isn't very good, anon, especially when her character is being very passionate, emotional, and strongly associating sex with emotions
>>83851969
Supes and Lanterns.
>>83851993
>a reboot is as good a time as any to change a character's personalit
To the exact opposite of what her character was before, i.e. the reason people liked her in the first place?
>>83851855
Starfire was corrupting those poor kids that just wanted to read about a the character from the cartoon.
>This image is nearly 5 years old
Time flies.
>>83852003
She was extremely emotionally damaged
They all were
That was the point
>>83851451
What's your point? The vast majority of DC's PR disasters in the early days of the New 52 had nothing to do with SJWs.
>>83852156
Yes, and people didn't like that.
That was what people cried about in addition to her offering sex to shut Roy up before casuals caught on and got angry at how sexual she was.
>>83851948
I can hear your fat cuntlips flapping.
>>83852156
Yeah and people got angry because a passionate and emotional character being shown as emotionally damaged to the point of being emotionless is fucking stupid.
Might as well create a new character if you gonna change a character that drastically.
>>83852245
Aw, why so angry at my explanation? Do you always get this triggered?
>>83852022
That explains a lot.
>>83852327
Superman was actually good though and by all odds Green Lanterns managed to not be shit.
>>83852327
this is like the 3rd doomsday/death of superman thing they've done!
>>83851145
>Supergirl's diaper
wut?
>>83852300
I'm not angry. It was just a really loud sound.
>>83852381
If your immediate reaction is to jump to petty insults then you really are pretty [trigger]ed.
>>83852380
The red crotch thing on her suit that didn't even connect to the blue leotard right was the stupidest thing about her outfit with the knee holes on its rear.
>>83851248
>Cancelling Batman Inc
Nigga...
>>83851948
>I am a cartoonfag please do not respect my opinion
>>83852410
for you
>>83852463
So now why are people saying I think this when I'm just answering the anon's question?
>>83851948
Right? She didn't freak out over mustard a single time, c'mon DC!
>>83852463
Being an emotionless person isn't who comic Starfire is. In fact the cartoon toned down her passion in favor or ramping up her naivety.
>>83851451
Eh, but some of that was Voodoo, which was trash.
>>83852544
Because /co/ is full of easily triggered retards who have poor reading comprehension
>but but but I understand what Tom King writes!
Good for you.
>>83852562
It's okay to be embarrassed, anon. I forgive you.
>>83852574
I don't remember her being emotionless in RHATO. She was actually very caring and her relationship with her sister was finally fixed.
They still employ Eddie Berganza so they're just one consistent fuck up until they oust him
>>83852634
Just the first few issues which is when people complained.
Then Lobdell "explained" why she was like that, changed her sleeping with Jason to Jason just lying about that, and started to tease a relationship with Roy.
>>83852589
Ron Marz's villain protagonist Voodoo was all right, then they ruined it.
Adding one more Eddie Berganza comment.
He is literally the only bad thing at DC right now and I'm still pissed that he's employed.
>>83852753
I'd say Harras too but then I remembered that Johns is basically doing his job.
>>83852753
Weren't there cases where creators went out of their way to not have their books edited by him? Like, wasn't there something with Rucka? I'd say that's a huge fucking problem if your writers pointedly avoid on of your editors, but I'm not sure about the facts.
But even if that's untrue, his office did fuck up the Superman line and the Teen Titans.
>>83852787
Jurgens, Tomasi, Humphries, and Venditti have no problem though.
>>83852766
Harras, Didio and Berganza all need to be fired for DC to have a future.
>>83852818
>Jurgens
>Humphries
>Venditti
You see the problem here, don't you?
>>83851906
At least at the start of the series, her entire personality was essentially just being a slut. Being slutty and having a personality in addition to that is fine. She did not.
>>83852267
She was gonna get better, they were gonna help each other. That was also the point.
>>83852818
>>83852840
+ Lobdell
Well, some don't have a choice obviously, since somebody's gotta write Superman.
>>83852840
Humphries has an exclusive for some reason. That wasn't a Berganza decision, that's above his paygrade.
>>83852853
Let's not forget the fact that she literally had goldfish memory where she only had short term memory. Another thing that was quickly retconned away, but drew a whole lotta hate at the time.
>>83852858
And people didn't like that she had to "get better" when she could've been just fine in the first place.
And they were right to get mad since Lobdell is too shit a writer to do it convincingly and well enough.
>>83851595
You're forgetting how this was supposed to be looney toons level of cartoony violence.
>>83852903
Goldfish memory is what fans called it. Her deal was that her people remembered senses, but not names. She didn't forget any of the experiences.
>>83852893
Is it? Berganza could easily have been the one who wanted to bring Humphries on board and requested Didio offer the exclusivity contract. I imagine Humphries actively seeks exclusivity contracts considering he got one at Marvel after only like one comic which is kind of abnormal.
>>83852914
Yeah, that's what I kept thinking. The concept is not terrible, but the execution was done with a sledgehammer.
>>83852930
Which is still reaaaaal fuckin' dumb.
>>83852928
Something that wasn't actually properly conveyed in the contest details.
>>83852953
It's not dumb. It's a neat idea for an alien race. Lobdell has a lot of neat ideas, he just really sucks at the eecution of them.
>>83850993
It wasn't so much PR disasters as overly sensitive fanboys overreacting to every thing.
>>83851888
>regretting defending a dumb idea that you didn't see the final product of
You're still a dumb casual.
>>83852968
That's a load of bull.
>Harley swimming in a chicken bikini in a alligator pit
You can't tell me people actually thought this was supposed to be serious right?
>>83852410
Being honest isn't insulting.
I liked New 52, and I like Rebirth. Deal with it.
>>83852968
It was, the people getting outraged just didn't bother reading the submission guidelines
>>83853046
Evidently people did otherwise there wouldn't have been nearly as much outrage and the need for the writers to do an interview to clarify. People are generally pretty stupid and need things explicitly spelled out for them.
>>83852352
Superman was decent, but far too decompressed. Not worth getting in single issues.
>>83852766
Johns isn't doing his job. He only discussed with the writers initially. He's focusing on other stuff now.
>>83853064
A lot of that outrage was manufactured, deliberately leavong out the cartoony detail in favor of decrying DC for sexualising violence against women.
>>83852893
Humphries doesn't have an exclusive. That's just a rumour from BleedingCool. If it was true it would've been announced by now.
>>83852840
Jurgens worked under Carlini, so he's a company man who will tow the line regardless
>>83853183
Jurgens and Berganza have had a working relationship since the 90s.
It's pretty hilarious/sad that people are saying DC is saved because a handful of mediocre books have come out that continue the legacy of the New 52.
>>83853247
Yup, pretty much. Same case with DCYou, except that didn't have the sales numbers to back it up.
>>83853247
It's a little sad that their nostalgia pandering worked so well, as opposed to the more experimental direction from before. Yeah. I still like the writers involved though, so I'm also glad there's so much positive buzz.
(My secret dream is still that the people who rage-quit DC over the reboot will discover some of the good DCYou and New 52 titles when they get back on board.)
>>83853247
Marvel's dropping the ball on almost everything that isn't Star Wars so they have a low threshold for success.
>>83852819
Didio does more good than harm.
Unless his replacement can be assured to protect the occasional title with weak sales, I'd want him to stay.
>>83853247
I remember reading a great post on a website the other day that summed it up pretty well that readers don't innovation, they want familiarity.
>>83852819
>implying DC has to try to be good what with Marvel becoming a propaganda generator and indieshit nobody reads
>>83853803
This. DC is winning by default. Anyone that isn't buying exclusively DC is either a shill or a tumblr.
>>83853803
>>83853990
Eh, I like DC much more, but no-one's taking Marvel's crown anytime soon. Market share's too high.
>>83850993
I'm surprised even SJWs were happy with white Wally's return.
I guess that race change was that bad in the end.
>>83854089
I saw a couple of them complaining about it.
>>83854102
ComicsAlliance tried to start shit for a while but the general reaction was more glee than a disaster like many here expected.
>>83854139
I think they treated black Wally more or less respectfully in Rebirth and found a way to keep him, so that helped.
>>83854181
Black Wally's also going to be featuring in more books than actual Wally.
>>83851057
Releasing the poll on their facebook about what to do with the nu52. About 90% of the responses were variations of "Put it back, Burn it down, Fire/Linch Didio, burn an effigy of Didio." And then taking the poll down not even an hour later because rhey were hoping everyone was going to support their horrible ideas.
>>83853247
Trust me, the people who praise it now will call it the worst thing to happen a few months later.
There was that whole Berganza thing brought up again, but then Captain Hydra happened and took the attention away from that.
>>83851595
Hahahaha! I forgot she had to be naked too. Fantastic.
>>83854075
DC will be dominating this month and probably the next few as well at least up through the Marvel NOW! relaunch.
>>83851553
That counter was so willfully sensitive that I figure it would get reset if Didio burnt his toast one morning.
>>83854075
Literally the only things Marvel has that sell are #1s and Star Wars. If you take those out of the equation then DC is blowing them the fuck out.
>>83854673
I know, but those do count. It'd be nice to see DC lead for a while, but I doubt it'll last. Marvel's formula seems to work still.
>>83851595
Holy shit kek. DC can not be this retarded.
>>83855143
They were until around Forever Evil
>>83852953
Any more dumb than her being biologically incapable of loving anyone but Dick? Or her being incapable of understanding the simplest use of figurative language?
>>83854673
You're wrong, though
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2016/2016-05.html
>>83855143
You clearly weren't around from 2011 to 2013.
>>83850993
What are you talking about? The Outhousers and its cronies are already roasting DC for doing terribly during May.
>>83851248
Batman Inc ended you moron. Morrison didn't want to write no moreon goings.
>>83856742
Yeah but those aren't PR disasters.
>All these people complaining about Berganza
>When all the Super Titles have been all solid
>When Humphries Green Lanterns wasn't shit
hah cry some more.
Wait 6 months for 1\4 of the creative teams to jump ship
>>83856818
Whoopee a month of okish books erases a career of terrible leadership and chasing away talent
>>83857348
I am very curious to see how artists handle the double shipping and if any leave books specifically because of it
Crossovers and filler artists can get messy quick if there's gonna be a lot of them
>>83851279
Cuck wasn't even a thing people said like they do today until at LEAST 2014
>>83859884
Back then it was NTR.
