First rule in chara design: a good character is a good shadow.
Do you recognize this shadow?
>>83799284
Looks like a kid version of the blonde dover boy.
>>83799284
looks like a waste of a shadow.
ITS PIKACHU
>>83799284
Autism incarnate
Carl from Jimmy Neutron?
>>83799351
The point is not wether you like it or not. The point is: do you recall it?
The Punisher?
>>83799284
Stephen Colbert, right?
He is Bob. Eager for fun. He wears a smile. Everybody run.
>>83799284
Looks like someone extremely attractive.
>>83799284
>Do you recognize this shadow?
What did he mean by this?
>>83799284
Is that Pepe?
>>83799587
Thanks doc
Valve nailed this in 2005.
>>83799284
Oh god those poor mlp character designers
>>83799587
I see a horned alien making a guy with a broken spine suck his dick.
What does that say about me?
>>83799683
It means you should be taking your daily dose more often.
>>83799683
Severe nutrient deficiency. Every anon needs his daily dose to stay fit and healthy.
>>83799284
It's Steven from the show Steven Universe.
Did I get it /co/?
Did I win?
>>83799683
You are lacking in you're daily dose.
>>83799957
What do you want to win?
>>83799284
Looks like a semitic numale to me.
>>83799284
clarence with belson hair style
>>83799646
IIRC, one thing that Valve strived to do when creating TF2 was to have each class present a different distinct body type. that way, you could see what enemy was coming your way from across the map
>>83799957
wrong
>>83799284
Off topic, I want this design shit to end
>>83799284
The majority of characters in western medium are recognizable. I don't know if you're trying to prove something by posting SU or what provoked this, but pic related example, the only time people couldn't name a character in this list is because they've never seen the show, not because they have a poor silhouette.
You can have a strong silhouette and still have a really shitty design. It's called "appeal" and most western cartoons seem to lack it in their in-house studio style. There's a reason why the characters in something like Nichijou or Zootopia are nicer to look at than Clarence.
>>83799284
>good shadow
That's lightist.
>>83800058
It was me, flash. I was your favorite cartoon character.
>>83800058
> Barry watches cartoons only for them to keep revealing themselves to be Zoom
>>83800345
>>83800334
It's something Rebecca Sugar once told them so SUfags regurgitate it everytime they can to "prove" that SU doesn't have bad character designs as everyone else claims.
>>83800289
>>83800112
except the first showing and promotional material for years was still quake TF girtty generic soldier stuff.
at some point valve made the right choice for sure
>>83801850
I have never seen anybody say SU character designs are bad cept of a couple times on /co/ including this one
>>83800334
PB looks spooky as a silhouette.
>>83802031
I know people IRL who say so and they don't know about 4chan. Most of the characters are unpleasant to look at.
It's Clarence with a wig.
>>83800334
wander's silhouette is just great. Craig is so based
>>83799284
That's Clarence with a clown wig.
Easy one.
>>83802239
Is that you? Pinochet?
>>83802239
OH! that's easy! It'sa lawsuit
>>83799284
No.
>>83799284
Of course. That's Sans before he died.
>>83802275
No.
>>83802292
No it's Mickey.
Round 2.
>>83802508
The Nesquik rabbit.
>>83802032
This shadow feels lost
>>83802508
The noid
>>83802624
No, I give you a hint.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbp9WXQjZy8
>>83802508
>it's Mickey
Where's the joke, fuckley?
>>83802239
>>83802031
SU character designs are bad
>>83802645
The Noid is not a "wabbit".
>>83802662
This is Mickey >>83802239
>>83802508 is not Mickey.
>>83802716
Again, WHERE'S THE FUCKING JOKE?
>>83802032
topkek
>>83799646
Did Overwatch manage this?
>>83800112
jeez, how long has it been since they had that "on the bright side" stuff?
>>83802744
OP wanted shadows of characters, there is no joke.
>>83799557
Made me kek
>>83799587
What the hell is that?
>>83799284
I know this is bait, but I think the silhouette idea behind character design is horribly misunderstood and it bothers me so much.
You use silhouette to check the design, and adjust it so that the character is better balanced.
This idea that "if you recognize the character's silhouette then it's all good" is fallacious because you could make extremely ugly characters with very complex silhouettes and they'd register all right, but their design would still be hideous.
>>83799284
That is a sandal sitting by a chair.
>>83800112
i havent played in about a year and a half. Iknow they do that whenever you beat a record of yours
broke a new record for buildings sapped, backstabs,headshots, teleports, kills, etc within one life
I think silhouettes are more used to recognize the character within the cast of its own world, also to recognize shapes and sizes that give those characters "character".
Recognizable silhouettes wouldbe more used in mascot characters, since they are like a logo
>>83802761
Yeah, Widowmaker's ultimate works entirely on the fact that everyone can recognize all the characters' silhouettes immediately.
>>83802360
I seriously hope you're not referencing a certain comic
Side-characters.
>>83800334
Not sure who [2,5], [3,7], [3,3], [3,4] and [3,6] are.
>>83803047
The stoner guy from Jake Long.
>>83803047
That guy from Jake Long
>>83803047
Spud
>>83799646
Soldier and acout are somewhat similar in terms of silhouette (despite the RPG). Also soldier and demoman.
They should have made soldier shorter, that way there would be no confusion.
But this is nitpicking. A++ design, Valve. It's nice to see someone putting cartoon principles that existed since the fucking 1920s to good use.
>>83803047
Fillmore.
>>83802961
The only one I know of those guys is Leni and thats cause I watched the first episodes only
Also the twins 3rd and fourthWhos that 5th person :^)
>>83800334
What anime is this?
>>83803051
[3,6/7] is either Catbug or Perry, depending if Finn/Jake count as 1 or two,
[3,3] is Chowder
[3,4] is Finn and Jake
Not sure [2,5] is either
>>83803051
>>83803153
It's from that bubble guppies show on nick jr
he seriously looks like the rarest pepe
>>83799587
Somebody's eating ass
>>83803153
Ah, shit, I totally derped.
>>83803051
I meant [2,5], [3,7], [4,3], [4,4] and [4,6].
I'm counting Finn and Jake individually, since every row has nine columns that way.
>>83803115
None of them are from a anime.
Round 3.
>>83803184
Its about clarity in storytelling, not character design
Bored, so here goes:
Wander. LSP, Uncle Grandpa, don't know, don't know, Flapjack, Phineas, Mabel, Louise,
Dipper, don't know, Marciline, Steven, don't know, one of the kids from Clarence, Rigby, Ice king, Clarence,
izza from UG, Gumball, Chowder, Finn and Jake, Candace, Catbug, Perry, one of the gems from SU,
Princess Bubblegum, pearl, don't know, that guy from bravest warriors, gem from SU, don't know, Mordecai, Captain Knuckles, guy from Clarence.
>>83803184
Think about logos. You want people to immediately recognize your content. That's basic marketing.
Wait, what?
Why are all the characters looking different a good thing? What if you want to set your work in a homogenous setting? What if you're aiming for hyper-realism?
>>83800334
>>83803051
Wander | LSP | UC | Sanjay | Craig | Sailor SpongeBob | Phineas | Incest Twin | Burger Bunny
Other Incest Twin | UC godzilla | Spoon | SU | ??? | based Sumo | Regular Squirrel | Ice King | Clarence
Pizza Steve | /ss/ cat | Cooking SpongeBob | Finn the Human | Jake the Dog | Phineas sister | catbug | Platypus secret agent | Black Power Space Rock Lesbian
Bubblegum Princess | Other Space Rock Lesbian | Femme Space Rock Lesbian | Unemployed loser SO QUIRKY | Space Finn | Biker Space Rock Lesbian | ??? | Regular bird | Sailor Mr Crabs | Jeff
>>83803262
What about >>83802239 >>83802508 and >>83803241
>>83800334
>It's called "appeal"
so basically it comes down to personal taste and not an actual rule of design or anything
>>83803262
Meant to quote >>83800334
>>83803241
RUBIK THE AMAZING CUBE without his cube
>>83803274
>What if you want to set your work in a homogenous setting?
Then that's an exception.
>What if you're aiming for hyper-realism?
Then the characters would still look relatively different from each other.
>>83803232
[4,3] is Bee from Bee and Puppycat,
[4,4] is Bravest Warriors guy
[4,6] is The Mightiest B I think
>>83803315
No, I give you a hint.
>She is a human.
>>83799284
Jigglypuff, seen from above.
>>83800289
>>83803348
Finn the human!
>>83803081
soldier is much shorter than the demoman, and the big rocket launcher is a significant part of his readability.
The scout in the game has a shotgun, which is a much smaller profile than the nailgun in that image and his stance is the shortest of any character, plus his frame is the thinnest of any character.
Demoman holds his launchers lower than the soldier does his rocket launcher. And the demoman's head shows up very little on the silhouette. His body armor makes him look very trapezoidal. His legs are also much longer than the soldier's
>>83803184
Despite what >>83799646 said, Valve quickly learned that unique clothing features, animations, and voices / sounds are more important in all cases than a character's outline.
Sniper's outline wielding jarate is basically Spy with a hat, but in detail, you know the difference between the two by the way their clothing features and the way they animate. For example, Spy's mask and Sniper's shades are very quick and easy ways to tell them apart, and you'll never see those in an outline.
>>83803425
She is a "FEMALE" and she is not Tumblr trash.
Round 4, this one has a yellow ribbon on her head.
>>83803517
Theres also this.
>>83803515
the wonkyness of the silhouette is not helping
>>83803047
the black guy from danny phantom
>>83803558
Someone make one of these just comparing The Simpsons
>>83803047
Ron Stoppable
>>83802796
You're a fucking autist. FUCK OFF AND DIE!
>>83803184
It was something Matt Groening espoused (and the simpsons is a major inspiration for Steven Universe)
>>83803567
Humans are harder to spot out in shadow.
Round 5, he is known for his laugh.
>>83803702
Woody.
>>83802959
>>83800112
>tf2 is nearly 10 years old
>>83803702
Woody Woodpecker
>>83803734
Yes, someone got one of shadows right for once.
>>83803762
Bingo.
>>83803515
>>83803795
Coulda swore it was this guy.
>>83803813
You're getting warm.
>>83803816
He has a different shadow.
I have a game.
Take a cartoon's silhouette, and design it into a different looking character.
>>83800334
OP here I agree with you 100% but you are wrong, the shadow thing is not a même, I made it because I wanted to discuss chara design and I knew SU would be provocative enough to attract attention to the thread. If you don't make me confidence just check the ID.
>>83803937
Not in this thread.
>>83803790
The Simpsons probably did have a big influence on Sugar and by extension SU senpai, she's a huge fan. Also Greg looks like a low-budget Homer.
>>83800156
Dammit I didn't realize it was fleshy-jim oblong-trousers
>>83803465
Like >>83803248 pointed out, silhouette tests weren't intended to be used for character design - certainly not as an end-all, be-all design test - so much as test to check the clarity and dynamism of a given scene. I have no idea why so many people have latched onto the silhouette test when in comes to character design, but there does seem to be a lot of confusion on how it's supposed to work.
Though that being said, I've noticed from a lot of characters from current cartoons have a quite a few of anti-silhouette designs. Characters like Star Butterfly, Princess Bubblegum, and Marceline don't read very well in silhouette because their hair covers up most of their bodies and often makes them look like giant blobs, while other character look like giant potato sack bodies with noodle/stick arms that make their overall outlines look very stiff and unwieldy. But this might be because the people making these images don't seem to know how silhouette tests are supposed to work,
>>83800289
Surprise, both are shit!
You want Good character design? go Anime! if not, then stop complaining you Autistic shit!
>>83803702
too easy
>>83804021
Again, see >>83802239 >>83802508 >>83803241 >>83803515 and >>83803702 for silhouettes done right.
>>83804045
No, he is a woodpecker.
Round 6.
>>83799587
An injured Dodrio
>>83804179
is this one character?
>>83803937
>>83799284
>>83804236
Yes, look at his pipe and his biceps.
Also, he is a sailor.
>>83804021
>silhouette tests are used to check action clarity
There's something worth knowing.
This whole argument reminds me of modern composers and their obsessions with chords and chord progressions, as if they hold some vague key to success.
If you fret over that shit, you'll spend so much time analyzing your work that you'll homogenize it all down to grey paste.
>>83804179
kinda looks like popeye
>>83804061
The hell are you replying to me for? I'm pretty sure I was agreeing with you.
Also, the only images you've shown that have been remotely readable and recognizable have been the ones of characters that have been around for decades, and even then they're such poor quality that it's just barely readable. Are you using MS Paint to make these?
>>83804290
Thats because it is.
>>83804262
That guy from Penelope Pitsop. Wanted her dead?
>>83799284
Massive faggot?
>>83804291
>Not spotting Bugs & Mickey.
I use Photoshop.
>>83799284
Am I doing this right?
>>83804080
And you're autistic.
>>83804417
No.
>>83804238
Excellent.
>>83804425
No I'm not.
>>83804238
How dare you make me want a blowjob from Clarence's silhouette.
>>83804483
Where'd you get a silhouette of me?
>>83804483
Daffy Duck.
>>83804483
Isn't that some Daffy Duck clone in a zoot suit?
>>83804416
>I use Photoshop.
Do have massive meat hands and don't know how to use the magic wand then?
Bugs, Mickey, and Popeye were the only ones recognizable from just their silhouettes. Woody Woodpecker is barely recognizable from how badly you rendered it, and the rest mostly look like blobs.
>>83804527
No that "IS" Daffy in a zoot suit from the Bob Clampett cartoon Book Revue.
>>83802961
Man, those are some weird lamps.
>>83804556
My hand are normal size, I just used the pencil tool to the 45 size.
The 2 humans are Laura Haruna (specially shaped hair) and Haruhi Suzumiya (yellow ribbon).
>>83803007
I've actually never really thought about that, but it's absolutely true.
>>83804620
I think it's John Cena based purely on meme power, but in all honesty it could be any of a hundred wrestlers.
>>83804632
Chichi from Dragon Ball
>>83804627
Tom in a zoot suit.
>>83804632
Korra.
>>83804650
what the fuck sort of original image were you using for Haruhi
and why did you think fucking anybody would know a human from Hamtaro after all these years
>>83804693
Laura's hair sticks out as much as Lisa Simpson's hair.
I made the image myself.
>>83804034
>Surprise, both are shit!
>You want Good character design? go Anime!
That's really good bait Anon
10/10 it really made me angry
>>83802959
>The kids have masks
Every time.
>>83804291
>>83803248
OP here again. Thanks for your help folks. I was not even aware silhouette test was a thing in studios. Now will improve my own cartoon.
PS: I came up with this thread seeing my shadow, after hours drawing character searches for nothing.
PS: Shadows are the closest things to 2d drawings in nature, brain must have been trained to notice them in any drawing.
>>83803184
I see a lot of people on /co/ espousing things like this. By-the-book adherence to guidelines and principles seems to be more important than actually making things look any good.
![2a9d2e87[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/2IvbORI.png "2a9d2e87[1].png")
>>83804765
the difference is that nobody watched Hamtaro, but everybody knows the Simpsons.
Also, it defeats the purpose when you draw a character off-model, and/or in a shitty pose.
now THIS is a Haruhi silhouette, in fact it's so iconic they use it as the goddamn logo.
>>83804816
Realtime contrast detection is important to survival, anon.
It's the first thing you notice about any moving object - not the object itself, but what it displaces and casts around it.
>>83804650
You're the TMSfag, aren't you?
>>83804890
Hamtaro got 6 seasons, people did watched it.
It is not a shitty pose, Virgil Ross would of done the same thing (Rod Scribner would of made it sloppy and I need a pen input to match that of Bob McKimson).
>>83804901
Antauri?
>>83804890
>schoolgirl / sailor outfit
>that hairstyle
>iconic
Maybe to people who adore the show, but I've seen enough anime and played enough JRPGs to insert like a dozen different characters into that silhouette.
>>83804974
No I'm not.
>>83802884
Lurk Moar
>>83804890
You're talking to a guy with actual autism. Here's one of his "artworks".
>>83804974
It was obvious because of this: >>83803558
>>83804285
Yeah pretty much, silhouettes for testing out character designs are useful when looking to see if the design is balanced overall, but it was intended more for poses/action and it definitely shouldn't be treated as if it's the only part of character design that matters.
>>83804765
>Laura's hair sticks out as much as Lisa Simpson's hair.
I honestly though it was supposed to be one of those elves from either the Rice Krispy or the Keebler commercials. It looked like giant elf ears and mitten hands.
It's not our fault you suck at this.
>>83802884
It's a menacing dodrio.
>>83805053
>>83805023
Other characters don't fit the silhouette just because they wear school uniforms.
WHO'S THAT POKEMON?
>>83805053
>>83805053
He does not have autism has he has done later stuff then that.
>>83805073
Laura is not a elf.
>>83805169
Please cease
>>83804901
Super robot monkey, don't know which one because they all look the same.
>>83804773
>Sameface everywhere
>>83805053
>Actual autism
There's nothing to be proud of m8
>>83805636
But there is no autism to be seen anywhere here,
No one will ever guess this in a million years
>>83805466
Sameface doesn't actually happen often in anime, it's just another one of those things that people keep saying because other people keep saying it so everyone thinks it has to be true.
>>83805750
Farmer Alfalfa.
>>83802761
Overwatch stumbles a bit in raw silhouettes given they have 20 some characters to TF2's like 9, but they make up for it in making each character animate very distinctly. DVA outside her mech and Tracer look pretty damn close to eachother, but the way they run makes them instantly distinguishable.
>>83805864
Don't they also have skins in Overwatch, which technically fucks silhouettes over entirely?
>>83802884
>>83799683
SUMMERFAGS GET OUT
GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>83805756
>Sameface doesn't actually happen often in anime
That was good bait but now you're trying too hard, Anon.
>>83804901
SUPER ROBOT MONKEY TEAM HYPERFORCE GO!
>>83805949
Most of them still have fairly unique silhouettes and the movement animations are unchanged.
>>83806001
A predictable response.
People put so much stock in Internet hearsay that they're just flabbergasted when someone questions it. Surely they must be baiting, how could anyone doubt that anime is full of sameface when so many people say it is. The wisdom of the crowd is never wrong.
>>83803790
>>83805949
Not really. Even with legendary skins, they don't alter the most important and distinguishing characteristics. This is helped my each character's unique movement animation. If McCree is wearing a skin that completely changes his clothes, you can still tell it's him from the way he moves. McCree's Mystery Man and Vigilante skins are probably the biggest departures that you might have trouble distinguishing from far away.
>>83805949
Yeah, and that changes any silhouette differences clothing usually gives. They're much more about achieving instant distinction through their stances and animations. Reaper and Zarya are pretty close in size and don't have much to distinct them clothing wise, especially with Zarya's winter coat skin, but no one is going to mistake Reaper's 2 guns forward walk for Zarya's hunched over carrying a massive weight walk.
>>83806168
Ho fuck and I thought she draw badly until then.
>>83805780
n-n-n-n-icce one champ............. are you some sort of special snowflake or somehting?!!?!!1
I bet you can't guess this in a million years either
>>83799284
>>83802884
>>83803218
>>83804209
>>83799683
How can so many people be so wrong
>>83806077
>anime isn't sameface
Chromartie High was a self-aware joke about this very thing.
You can just search for "anime sameface" and find as many examples as there are anime series.
>>83806498
Uktrakek
>>83806561
Of course there are examples. Nobody said there aren't. It's just not even remotely as common as people think it is. It's really a non-issue.
>>83806615
>non-issue
>lampshaded and outright lampooned by numerous comedy anime series
Even the producers know it's commonplace.
>>83806647
It isn't commonplace.
>>83806279
>>83806693
Something isn't true just because people commonly believe it to be true.
>>83799284
its shrek
>>83806757
Are you fucking ten years old?
>>83799284
some fat little faggot with jewish features
>>83806168
Does anyone have the full comic for this?
>>83806498
All it takes is 1 fucking person to put in pepe...
>>83806779
Are you?
>>83799587
FUCKING SHIT. I SHOULDN'T KNOW WHAT THIS
BUT I FUCKING DO
>>83806940
Do you even read your own posts?
>>83806693
>>83806757
>>83806994
Yeah, >>83806557 us gamers eh?
>>83807031
Do you?
>>83807085
You are acting like a ten year old again.
Do you always get this bent out of shape when people inform you that Popular Internet Opinion #2345345 is actually not correct?
>>83807126
You seem upset.
>>83799683
You're not that far off
>>83807142
Yeah, you're 10 years old.
/co/ is probably the most childish board on 4chan.
>>83807142
Yeah you're 10 years old.
/co/ is probably the most childish board on 4chan.
>>83807157
>>83807231
Why did this get double posted? The first post wouldn't go through for minutes so I assumed it got lost or had been rejected.
>>83807157
>>83807231
I'm sorry this experience has been so traumatic for you.
>>83807045
more like people who have been on this god damn website for too long
>>83807231
Gobé this is a cartoon board it would be good news to have only children here. Unfortunately its mostly 30 something neckbeards.
>>83807273
Ok, we're done here.
You got told and now you're throwing a typical millennial tantrum.
>>83807345
mad as fuck
>>83801982
>no Jamie
![3733055b921e057081d289a0fe33a5db[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IT83RXK.jpg "3733055b921e057081d289a0fe33a5db[1].jpg")
>>83803790
>not liking cartoon network`s forced reaction images
>>83807262
Not even that guy but come on, all you've done is repeat"nu uh anime is not same face"
The other dude at least gave you examples you're just in denial
>>83807769
As I already said, nobody said there aren't examples and that sameface doesn't exist. It just doesn't exist anywhere near to the extent that people think it does. It's a non-issue.
>>83803293
There are some elements of appeal that are considered universal, but not absolute of course. Big pupils, soft edges, small mouths, etc. Disney uses it all the time.
>>83807769
>>83807920
What about it?
>>83806557
I was waiting for this.
>>83799668
There's a reason the hair styles keep getting crazier and crazier
>>83808144
Yeah, no quality control. Nobody with common sense telling them "this looks stupid" or "this makes no sense".
RIP Faust/Renzetti.
>>83807924
Should probably add ping-pong to the list. one of the most engaging artstyles I've ever seen
>>83804021
I say it's because of TF2. That was a huge part of their design philosophy and it helped a lot and TF2 was and is still popular as shit. I think the problem though is that as you said, it works in the products given work, or in TF2 case helps a lot more since the objects have a much greater range of motion and working a full 3D world. Since cartoons generally work in 2D plans and the focus is entirly on them there isn't much of a point for them to care about it since it's not like they are going away or need to tell a much deeper point to them.
![no[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/O6e7b3e.png "no[1].png")