Gameplay Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p50qZNiRfa8&app=desktop
E3 Gameplay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc2oyxSbXjo
Gamespot Gameplay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBvWhZqt95E
What we know so far:
>Confirmed for PS4 and Xbone, PC not mentioned, coming in 2017
>Characters will be customizable through the Gear system (armor pieces with different cosmetics and stats that you get after fights)
>Gear system will will not affect tourney play according to Boon
>Takes place in the Injustice universe after the first game, comic confirmed canon. Batman and friends are still fighting Regime remnants when a new Earth threatening threat appears
>Character select screen shows 28 slots for characters so far
>Confirmed characters: Superman, Batman, Flash, Aquaman, Supergirl, Gorilla Grodd and Atrocitus
>Speculated: Wonder Woman, Doctor Fate, Harley Quinn (Logos on Injustice 2 shirt) Ras al Ghul (Trailer voice over), Black Canary (Arrow actress went in for mocap), Blue Beetle, Swamp Thing (Twitter Poll) and Captain Cold (Snart's name and gun are shown in the trailer, gun is also on the shirt and he was in the poll).
>Stages confirmed bigger with Metropolis, Gotham and Atlantis confirmed so far
>Matches now start with MKX style character banter
>All major gameplay elements from the first game are confirmed to be returning
New gameplay footage is coming soon from IGN at 4:20 PDT, and after there will be a FB Q&A with Boon.
PRESS F TO PAY RESPECTS
F
>>83777797
Wait really? Fuck I wanted him in
F
>>83777747
Gimme gimme Poison Ivy,
she is green and she is lively.
Spend my hard-earned GBP,
on green-tit redhead plants with glee.
Boonie shows me his new game,
And tries to tell me its not lame.
My floral waifu, I decree
I'll play on my flat screen TV.
Batmen, Wondies, Slades, and Banes
But of my Ivies none remains.
He tries to make me take a nappy,
But sleeping doesn't make me happy.
Ivy is the only girl,
That doesn't make me want to hurl.
I'll scream and shout and make a fuss,
I'll scratch, I'll bite, I'll even cuss!
Ivy is my heart's desire,
Fueled by raging, hungry fire.
Boonie sobs and wails and cries,
But tears aren't Ivies. Stop your lies.
My good-boy points were fairly earned,
To play the Ivy that I've yearned.
But there's no Ivy in my game!
Did Boonie think that I'd think that's great?
"IVY IVY GET HER NOW,
YOU FAT, UNGRATEFUL, SLUGGISH SOW!"
I screech while hurling in his eyes,
My foul-smell bowel-dwelling diaper surprise.
For he who is un-pooped on is he who wisely
Never forgets my Poison Ivy.
Wonder Waifu when
>>83777747
>Bats super move makes a reference to batman 89
>>83777797
Shame about the lose in all seriousness, it would have been nice having it him in the game, for the banter mostly
For those who missed it
http://www.gamespot.com/videos/injustice-2-fighting-gameplay-at-e3-2016/2300-6432836/
>Manta deconfirmed
>Taunts confirmed
>>83777797
ONLY
A
STAGE
HAZARD
HAWF
>>83777797
F
Better let Boon know we want this nigga now so we can get him as DLC later.
If Manta isn't at least DLC I'm going to be pissed
>>83777797
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKKKK
>There is gear with stats that drops
>Which means you can buy loot crates to increase your chance of getting better items, and optimal gear loadouts
>Characters have varying amounts of health
While these things aren't inherently bad, I do not trust NRS to successfully implement them. Variations were a pretty cool idea, but at the end of the day, there was almost no real reason to play 2/3 variations
>>83777885
i have the feeling that Boon will end up listening to the people waiting him, if we are lucky anyway
>>83777910
He listened to the people who wanted Lobo, MMH and Zatanna in the first game so he has a decent chance if we ask enough. Plus if this has as much DLC as MKX he has an even better chance of making it.
Alright /co/ here's the major question when it comes to the Gear system.
Fashion or function, which will you lean towards?
>F23 is in the game
If the characters play almost exactly the same as the first game, I think I'm gonna stick with Supes/Wondy as main/secondary.
>>83777797
Is it time to flood boon's Twitter so much he can't ignore us?
Cause this nigga was pretty much my hype all together
>Easyman is back
Placeholder movesets confirmed. Remember early MKX stuff had placeholder movesets
>>83777948
Assuming there's no way to keep the effects you want with different Gear visuals then it's Fashion all the way, don't care how crappy the stats are if it looks good.
>>83777970
Might as well get started now so we can let them know before they start work on the DLC.
>>83777948
Fashion, obviously.
>>83777948
Fashion
I hope my nigga Grundy is back, loved him in the first one despite not giving a shit about him at all before release.
>>83777747
>playing 70's porn music.
FRITZ THE CAT!!! DUDUDUDUDU!!! FRITZ THE CAT!!! DUDUDUDUDUDUDU!!
>>83777747
I still don't like how Atrocitus looks
>>83777818
QT as fuck, hopefully this is true of all the ladies this time. The era of the man faces may finally be over.
>>83778093
i do
>>83777797
Time to kill myself
F
>>83778094
>>83777948
>Fashion or function, which will you lean towards?
Squidkid here so Function
Why isn't Flash in the currently playable roster even though he's in the CG trailer and in the advertising?
>>83777747
>>83777818
Supergirl has some neat moves, looking forward to some other character trailer videos.
>>83777797
I'm holding out for DLC.
Also does anyone have a link to the IGN stream?
>>83778191
He isn't part of this build I suppose.
>>83777948
Fashion until I start losing, then Function because I'm a salty man
>>83778188
>Squidkid here so Function
>he doesn't know anything about Splatoon lore
>Batman introduced himself as "not Clark's enemy" in the Gamestop bit
Well, either Injustice 2 is Barry seriously rebooting the timeline, or Supergirl will be going full Hitler right along with Clark. Pretty disappointing if the latter is true.
Hey guys, I heard you loved gems in Street Fighter x Tekken
https://gaming.youtube.com/e3#tab=2
Reminder that IGN is streaming Injustice in 15 minutes
>>83778188
>he dresses for stats, not to look fresh
>>83778229
Clark has an intro against Aquaman wear he breaks out of krytponite handcuffs and seems like he doesn't want to fight.
But then he has another intro against Aquaman shitting on him for being half-human so I think Supes is still evil
>>83778234
I fucking HOPE this bullshit ends up being balanced. Boon DID say that they do pay a lot of attention to the MKX competitive community, the FGC, and e-sports, so I'm hoping they meticulously balance this shit.
If not, this could very well be the death of fighting games since Injustice 2 is bound to be the highest selling fighting game out of any recent or upcoming fighting game.
>>83778278
>NRS
>Balance
kek. This game is going full wow x smash bros
>>83777797
now he ha another reason to kill aquaman
>>83778188
>He actually dressed for the stats and not to look minty fresh
>>83778272
>>83778229
I wouldn't put much stock in the intros in terms of canon yet. MKX had a lot of stuff like this that contradicted stuff involving the characters in the story. Though I'm guessing the Regime bullshit gets put aside when the bigger threat appears.
>>83778293
Smash is at least competitive.
>Characters banter before the fight and during wager clashes
Yessss
>>83778314
All those non competitive aspects are becoming the competitive aspects of NRS games
>>83778328
Seriously NRS does a lot of dumb shit but the amount of character banter is fantastic and is something other fighting games desperately need.
>>83777797
MOBILE EXCLUSIVE HERE WE COME
>>83778390
SHUT UP REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>83778339
>>83778369
No, fuck you. This kind of shit is exactly why SFV didn't sell as much as it should've.
post the stream you chucklecucks
>>83778293
>>83778427
>Releasing an unfinished game early to appease tourneyfags
No fuck you it should have sold less.
>>83778446
Yeah, you should
>>83778311
I hope the bigger threat is Darkseid, and that he's actually playable
>>83778450
>a game shouldn't appeal to its primary fanbase
Fuuuuuck you.
>>83778427
https://gaming.youtube.com/watch?v=oJUlClUm0R4&
>>83778428
https://gaming.youtube.com/e3#tab=2
>>83778390
Anon I SWEAR TO GOD
>>83778456
The big DC bad guy is always Darkseid though. I'd like him to be playable but I'd prefer a more interesting threat like Starro or something.
It should not have shipped early. >>83778460
>>83778460
Tourneyfags will buy the new Street Fighter no matter what, they didn't need to ship it missing a huge chunk of it's content just to make them happy. They lost sales because you fags got impatient.
catwoman when
>>83778498
Agreed.
>>83778519
*because they got impatient
Fixed that one for you
ign knows whats up
Did they show Captain Felicity yet?
Q&A when
STREAM IS UP
DON'T TEASE ME BOON
>>83778568
THEY SAID THAT ITS A POSSIBILITY, THERES HOPE MANTAFAGS
>>83778561
No. They just refused to confirm Beetle.
Black Manta just showed up and they confirmed him as a transition,
I hope we get Larfleeze.
>>83778590
This. fucking HOPE he's playable
>>83778523
Soon I hope.
>Batman Returns costume was mobile exclusive
Fucking bullshit, it better be in 2.
QTE IN SUPERS
Beetle
>We'll see
Manta
>There's a possibility
>>83778568
WHERE?
So was SFV any good? Any cool new character? I don't frequent /v/ and I'm poor so no buy until the inevitable Arcade Ultra Super Turbo HD REmax
https://gaming.youtube.com/e3#tab=2
LIVE INUSTICE 2 RIGHT NOW
>>83778621
>there a possibility
DID HE SAY THAT?
>>83778630
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJUlClUm0R4
>>83778634
It's great. All the newcomers are cool too.
>MY MAN, BATMAN
>And Aquaman, who you SOMEHOW made cool!
This faggot deserves to be killed.
I need names.
>>83778621
>Beetle
Will the not make him a cyborge ripoff?
>Bleez for DLC
How are they doing supers after doing supers
>>83778659
Yeap, he acted super uncomfortable when asked about Manta
>>83778153
God. He doesn't even have sharp teeth. I cou;d've accepted Atrocitus with lips, but he doesn't even has shark teeth. At least he has his chin-craters.
MOVE UNLOCKS CONFIRMED
>>83778691
FUCKING THIS
WHAT THE FUCK
>TOURNAMENT MODE CONFIRMED
TOURNAMENT MODE CONFIRMED
>TOURNAMENT MODE CONFIRMED
TOURNAMENT MODE CONFIRMED
>TOURNAMENT MODE CONFIRMED
TOURNAMENT MODE CONFIRMED
>TOURNAMENT MODE CONFIRMED
TOURNAMENT MODE CONFIRMED
>>83778691
Devkits. They has cheats/commands to fill up the metter
RANKED MODE CONFIRMED
I hope we see more angry apes in video games.
>Grodd's mind control super move
I really hope they go all out with at costumes this time. A lot of them in injustice 1 were either boring or uninspired.
I want Batan returns and TAS skins.
Also every DLC character needs an alt. I hated how they didn't have any in the original game.
>>83777797
F
IT'S JUST NOT FAIR
>GRAPPLING HOOK CONFIRMED
>Atlantis cannot be my enemy
>Next time, try diplomacy
>I did. That's why we're here
>Mode without the gear confirmed
HYPE
When does the Q&A start?
>>83778739
Well with how this whole gear system thing seems to work they kind of have to give the DLC characters armor options at the very least.
>>83778777
After IGN stream
Huh, new wagers seem neat.
>>83778772
>I will not be your ally
>Not the smartest choice
>Batman has a kryptonite punch
cool
>GEAR MENU
>TOURNEY MODE CONFIRMED
THANK YOU IGN
COLOR PALLETS CONFIRMED!
Boon, let's be honest
No one's going to wear the gear for stats. Purely for cosmetics
>We can customize gear colors
Oh fuck yes
>SEPERATE COLOR PALLETES
>GEAR MENU
>TOURNEY MODE CONFIRMED
>>83778849
>No one's going to wear the gear for stats
tourneyfaggot spotted
>all those silhouettes
oh boy, going to have fun picking over those
>PINK EYE BEAMS
UNLOCKABLE MOVES
>>83778390
>>83778398
>>83778471
STORY MODE ONLY OPPONENT HERE WE COME
>I am not Clarks enemy
>You have a funny way of showing this
Alright, what the fuck is happening ?
>>83778814
>I'm not Clark's enemy
>You have a funny way of showing it
>You haven't read the news lately (?)
>>83778872
Except that guy's a casual
Casualfag detected
>>83778895
>>83778896
Team up to fight a bigger threat I'm betting.
>pink eye beams in all animations
These players kinda suck.
>post yfw evil Supes get a Parallax bug-tier retcon
>>83778673
I knew this would trigger someone. But yeah, he's a fag and boring as hell too, IGN hosts are shit.
>Interviewer wasn't an idiot for once
Surprising, he actually asked some good questions.
>>83778891
Not sure how I feel about that
>No decision about Microtrasations
While yes i do hate those, the tourney mode makes me think that theres literally no reason to add then if thats the case
jesus she is ugly as fuck
she looks like the new blue asari from Bioware
why is pokemon playing th efuck is goingon
Conflicted as heck
>>83778959
>Interviewer wasn't an idiot for once
>>83778673
>>83778961
Sounds like that one mortal kombat game on the Gamecube, with Shujinko.
>>83778896
>You haven't heard the whole story
I got you, anon
Also, this is sounding pretty good. The armor changes special move aesthetics and even gives new special moves, based on what they explained.
This interviewer asked some really good questions, that felt really satisfying.
>>83778673
>Aquaman fans acting edgy and childish
Not a surprise, after all people only like him to be different
>>83778982
Aside from that he wasn't a bitch and asked important questions that no one else seemed to
Q AND A WHEN GOD DAMN IT TO HECK
LIVE Q&A
RIGHT HERE
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1zqJVpyjLZlKB
>>83778968
go back to /v/ and bitch about it
>>83779009
Fuck, it would be full of children asking for Red Hood, or Tom Welling for Superman
>>83778968
She looks like my sister's friend, but blonde.No, i don't have pictures.
>>83778963
Well they could add them to milk casuals for easy money. Those idiots paid for fucking fatality tokens in MKX despite the regular inputs being easier than ever.
>they cut all the other Batcharacters
>you can play them by giving Batman different gear
>>83779060
>Bruce wearing Harley's slutty leather gear
I need this
>>83779051
Give her the D, live the dream anon
>>83779024
>https://www.periscope.tv/w/1zqJVpyjLZlKB
>already ended
>>83779060
I hope there's some sort of way to have the custom moves without the gear stat bonuses
Just not liking the looks of the gear system right now
>>83778968
Who cares? Are you gonna play with the game or yourself?
Anyone save the IGN footage yet?
>>83779104
well you didn't miss anything
>>83779111
>hideous art is a good thing
>>83779060
>different armour sets give you different moves
>equipping Nightwing stuff gives you escrima stick
>equipping Robin stuff gives you a bo-staff
>equipping Batwoman stuff gives you a vagine
>>83778153
i hope we get a more monster like face in his alt costumes
>>83778906
Holy shitI hope we get a power girl outfit not a skin
>>83779011
>tfw Atrocitus is the eternal jobber for Injustice 2
>>83779127
>video games
>art
>>83779179
Be a low tier hero then you scrub.
>>83779193
*tips fedora*
>>83779141
the lips are removable gear
>>83779239
Did I trigger you, /v/irgin?
Constantine when
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soprvu
>no one posted screenshots of the roster yet
Theres hope for Manta yet boys
>>83779179
That's fine. You know who survived both new MKs? Reptile. The ultra jobber!
How much you wanna bet that there will be matchmaking for non geared up characters and geared characters? Or do you think it'll be like Destiny where stats scale in PvP no matter the gear?
>>83779397
Hopefully not with that design. Yuck.
>>83779060
well they did this in MKX, Jade was made into a variation for Kitana, and Baraka was turn into a variation for the Alien
Wheres pic of char sleect screen
Bout to ms paint my roster in there fà m
>>83778906
>just nrs my shit up
so how will the gear work in tourneys? because it sound like actual moves are locked to it, do all the sets become available in tourney mode but they become restricted to what can be mixed with what? they just give all the extra move to the characters in this mode? or they just unify all the variables in set variations in the style of MKX variations?
>>83778906
overdesigned garbage
just give me nice simple iconic outfits
>>83779104
hit the play button
So, can we have more Rocket Powered Cat?
>>83778906
Cool you can build your own Chucky doll
>>83779337
>MK X when shown at E3 those selection screens ended up being 100% accurate
>>83777747
>Ras al Ghul (Trailer voice over)
Thought the trailer voice over was Deathstroke.
>>83779491
here
>>83779649
Launch day was actually 25 with Goro. Jason and the other shadows out slots are part of the first DLC pack.
>>83779538
>>83779581
>>83779630
>>83779386
Anyone have the IGN stream footage? I missed it.
Anyone take any screengrabs of the gear customization screen?
>>83779649
the ones they added were fucking day one DLC
>>83779729
Slots were still there, blacked out or not. And last I checked, 25 is still more than 24. Point is, the size of the character select grid changed, and everyone whining about the roster size needs to quit bitching and let them make the fucking game.
>>83779700
some of those silhouettes are suspiciously more detailed than others. Also 28 characters for the initial roster seems pretty big.
>>83779649
>what is dlc?
>>83779000
Fuck you, trips asshole. You're no better than the plebs that think his only superpower is talking to fish.
>>83779807
pre-order bonus <> DLC
>>83779700
28 is a pretty damn good starting roster size. I'm game.
>>83779819
They're not actual characters, just bullshit silhouettes to fuck with you. NRS did the same for MKX, just look at the pre-release roster and then the released roster with the characters in. Completely different, designed to make all your guesses wrong
>>83777797
Perhaps he'll get his chance another day...No, he'll get it today.
>>83779807
Only Goro was day 1 dlc
>>83779819
Conan O'Brien and David Bowie are on there
>>83779994
Flaming C for injustice 2?
![b926353fb4f9fbc4d7ccb743957aae78[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/Z1EEkJP.png "b926353fb4f9fbc4d7ccb743957aae78[1].png")
>>83779814
>Slots were still there, blacked out or not.
No they weren't.
>Point is, the size of the character select grid changed
Yeah, with DLC. And of course we're fucking getting that, I don't think anyone is questioning that. The point is that, without it, the base roster without DLC is going to be 28 characters. NRS doesn't suddenly add more non-DLC slots, it's been that way since the first Injustice or so.
I, for one, welcome our new handsome Atrocitus overlords!
>>83780223
Actually even without the DLC an extra row was added. You might not like it, but 25 is still greater than 24.
IGN footage where?
>>83779772
http://ie.ign.com/videos/2016/06/14/injustice-2-the-gear-system-and-combat-changes-you-need-to-know-ign-live-e3-2016
Also the UI and select screen isn't finished but it really looks like the UI is doing it from the viewpoint of Brother Eye. Cool shit. Wonder if they are doing JL: Tower Of Babel if it played out in the Injustice Universe since supposedly this time the story will be about Batman going rogue instead of Supes. How that plays after the Regime has been disbanded could be a good plot.
>>83780274
>Actually even without the DLC an extra row was added.
By the random slot and Goro, who is DLC.
The base roster of MKX at E3 was 24, and the base roster of MKX when it came out was 24.
>>83779749
Who the fuck is the bear? Don't tell me there's another secret society of Bears or something.
>>83780388
>Goro, who is DLC
Pre-order bonus <> DLC. I had a harder time unlocking Shinnok than unlocking Goro.
>>83780420
They're joke silhouettes to fool morons like you into thinking they're the real deal.
Holding out hope for the five Titans from the show.
I want to see how unfitting Greg Cipes and Hynden Walch's voices will be in the Injustice universe.
I've already gotten Grodd, and probably Black Canary, and Doctor Fate, so I'm keeping my hopes up for now.
>>83780469
Sorry for asking.
>>83780432
Doesn't matter, he still wasn't playable for those who didn't want to pre-order or pay extra for him. He wasn't even part of story mode.
brb killing self
>>83780552
>he still wasn't playable for those who refused to make him playable over some pathetic moral stand against free content
Like I give a shit what a pleb like that thinks
I'd be so much more hyped for the game if it wasn't for the "gear system".
It's a fighting game.
This shit throws it way off
>>83780552
Was he available day one? Yes.
Did he cost any extra? No.
Goro was a day one patch, provided you weren't a fuckwit.
>>83780623
Tourney mode is no gear.
>>83780091
I loved the cgi GLTAS style
Flaming C trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol16wEJUkBc
>>83780623
As a casual, I think it's rad as fuck. Keeps things varied and interesting.
>>83779405
Baraka sacrificed himself so Reptile could survive.
>>83780650
Yeah, but is that even going to be a playable mode online?
Or just some local crap?
Ranked online should be gear free.
>>83777797
No Manta no buy.
>>83780252
Oh don't try and use that crappy "Mileena is pretty now" defense for Atrocitus
>>83777904
>>Characters have varying amounts of health
I honestly don't understand how a fighting game can't have this. Its such a great tool for balancing the game and making some more variance in between characters.
>>83779137
And a wheelchair
>>83780831
NS has always been awkward about variation.
It's only recently that they've had characters of different movespeeds.
>>83779700
So, who is the bear?
>>83779700
The one next to Supergirl has a fedora.
Who could that possibly be?
>>83780469
Fuck you.
is it going to have hold back to block
or are they dropping that
>>83780831
Do you trust NRS, who made MK9Kabal, MK9 Cyrax, Injustice Batgir, Injustice Suprman(and later, Bane), MKX Lao, MKX Shinnok, MKX Alien, and MKX Tanya?
>>83780875
What an interestingobservation
>>83780875
All I know is Joker is on the other side with that hat.
>>83780906
go away johnny
>>83780923
That's Joker 1 of 3
>>83780600
>>83780629
Even still, Goro wasn't something you could unlock by playing the game alone. Barring DLC or preorder bonuses or anything of the like, that roster number is what NRS has planned. The base roster didn't change from the first previews of MK9, it didn't change from the first previews of Injustice, it didn't change from the first previews of MKX, and there's no reason to think it'll suddenly change here.
>>83777904
>there was almost no real reason to play 2/3 variations
this is a pretty common problem in fighting games
when you give players a bunch of options there are almost always one or two that end up being the superior option
>>83781049
and in this game's case, that's down to RNG
>>83780870
Actually looks like Black Manta's helmet. Guess he does have a shot to make it!
>>83779749
I juat noticed Atrocitus has ears. I feel they've gotten the animated version as a reference. Here hoping for a comic accurate DLC outfit
>>83781082
>Actually looks like Black Manta's helmet.
Except for the fact that it looks absolutely nothing like it. The shape is completely different.
>>83781082
They are all placeholders dumb fucks.
>>83778951
From the dialog with Grodd about being the ruler of the planet and Boon hinting there are a lot of Superdick sympathizers. It's looking more and more likely the game is part adapting Tower Of Babel (In having Batman create Brother Eye to montor Metas and create contingency plans to defeat them in case they come back to life) and characters that were dead in IJ cannon coming back to life (Ra's Al Ghoul and the league of assassins stole the data and used it against the JLA. What if he started resurrecting heroes the Regime killed like Black Canary?)
>>83781134
What's all of the intro dialogue we have?
I like that Boon mentioned that the animated DC shows are a big influence
If Manta is playable I hope they use his voice actor from Young Justice. He was cool as fuck in that show
>>83781167
Or they use Kevin Michael Richardson as Manta.
>>83780906
Injustice 1 had the traditional hold back for blocking, is the defining difference with MK, like the wager system and the stage transitions.
>>83781134
Black Canary didn't die.
>>83781134
but are they going to redeem Dictator Supes? because i really doubt he is going to be the villain again.
>>83781267
Injustice also doesn't have half the cast with instant teleports that can start combos.
Did Dr. Fate die in the comic? I seem to remember them leaving it rather ambiguous.
>>83781267
I know, I was just wondering if Injustice 2 is going to have it also
>>83781406
it had for a while before they nerfed Scorpion
>>83781372
He's been trapped in the Phantom Zone for a while.
That probably doesn't really help for rehabilitation
>>83777797
>Manta became the Ridley of Injustice
>Debates on him being a stage hazard/transition or not
>Suffers the same fate
Any time a character gets Ridley'd before the game comes out they're basically confirmed to not be playable.
