Remember that one time when Frank killed a bunch of stockholders whose only crime was investing in a corporation? What was up with that?
>>83764190
Ennis is a faggot, that's "what was up with that".
>>83764190
>>83764204
Only thing redeemable about that arc was that it gave us Barracuda.
It's almost as if Frank is kinda nuts or something.
>>83764340
But what about the jews in other worlds, anon?
>>83764217
That whole arc is great actually. The shark attack stuff at the end is one of the more memorable things about the run.
>Wall St. scumbags
>innocent
Kek
>>83764340
>>83764457
Add the muslims too. Frank is clearly the hero we need.
>>83764190
Weren't they all coke snorting degenerates? Fuck them. Frank did the world a favor.
>>83764467
And feminists.
>>83764458
>>83764470
We can all agree that yuppies aren't exactly saints but they don't really deserve death by bomb+sharks, unless you're some kind of communist.
>>83764402
>Holocaust on infinite earths
>>83764554
>>83764470
eh, didn't they hire Barracuda to do illegal activities? been awhile since i read it but they wanted him to bomb a rival company or something like that
that makes them complicit in terrorism
>>83764554
It was pretty much confirmed in the issue that they all knew about the power selling plan and were totally fine with it so long as they got their money
>>83764190
>whose only crime was investing in a corporation?
IIRC, it was a corporation, who was gleefully telling their investors privately that they were going to intentionally cause a black out and then make profits from it, which would directly mean people dying as a result of a power outage.
>>83764622
>>83764639
No. It was Harry and his inner circle who did this. The stockholders had no idea about it. They did know that the projected profits were false though, but that's hard a capital crime.
>>83764402
>>83764457
>>83764467
Fuck off
Frank is a fucking liberal bleeding heart with guns are anger. Yeah he has killed violent niggers and sandniggers and Zionist types but he's not gonna kill innocents
>>83764663
>Media going insane with accusations
>CEO has to run away
>Current head of the company tells frank to "go back to killing niggers and spics in the ghetto" and the entire boat applauds like the bus in a tumblr blod
I'd say if they didn't know, they were definitely okay with it
>>83764671
#notalldindus
>>83764696
>"go back to killing niggers and spics in the ghetto"
That line followed by that guy getting eaten by a shark is the most satisfying moment of Ennis' Punisher run, only rivaled by Frank throwing that Female Human Trafficker through a window in the Slavers arc.
>>83764696
>>83764861
Can someone post this please
>>83764190
Stockholders were involved with criminal activities. Now, the ship's crew....
![RCO015[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9gmTqxS.jpg "RCO015[1].jpg")
>>83764910
>>83764554
>but they don't really deserve death by bomb+sharks
Yes they do.
>>83765037
Maybe the people directly involved, but not everyone else.
>>83764554
They totally do, but Punisher isn't the one who should be doing it. White collar crime isn't, or at least shouldn't be, his thing.
>>83764991
Weren't they allowed to go to the lifeboats?
>>83764554
>the nig robbing $15 at the store is the epitome of chaos, degeneracy, Jewry,yadda yadda and deserves to be put against the wall
>the stockholder robbing millions: just a prank bro
>>83765082
>White collar crime isn't, or at least shouldn't be, his thing
When you're intentionally playing with human lives just to make profits, that sounds like something Frank would be interested in if the scale was big enough, like it was here. He necessarily wouldn't kill you over every white collar crime, but he would not turn his back on it if he came across it.
>>83765082
It isn't and he says as much in the first issue of the arc. He gets dragged into it because they try to kill him for some reason I can't remember.
It was nice to see it once though. A break from the usual shit.
>>83764458
Mr. Payback pls go
Is there a superhero who deals exclusively with white collar crime?
>>83764340
>>83764457
>>83764467
>mods delete post about jews
>leave post about muslims alone
I WONDER WHY
>>83764658
people don't die because of power outages though
>>83765193
only self-righteous faggots would call that a "hero"
most villains rob the rich though so maybe you should just read about criminal faggots instead
>>83765193
Only in real life.
>>83765386
Damn dude what bug crawled up your butt?
>>83765386
TODAY:
TRUMP VISITS /CO/
>>83765386
>punishing poor criminals makes you a cool badass
>punishing rich criminals makes you a self-righteous faggot
Shut the fuck up.
>>83765193
Daredevil, because Kingpin wears white suits most of the time.
>>83765112
They call in Barracuda because Frank rescued a would-be snitch after a plan to assassinate him fell through. They were trying to tie up loose ends.
>>83765001
>SUCCESFUL Business-man
>Negotiating FOR HIS LIFE
>Saying shit like this
Why is Ennis such a fucking hack?
>>83765373
People in hospitals would.
>>83765001
>heh, ill just make him say niggers, that'll make him a completley irredeemable scumbag that i can kill off however I want and people will just cheer
>>83765373
What about people on life support.
>>83765476
To be fair - he is not negotiating with a similar financial agent aiming to obtain a profit. He's negotiating with a nutcase idealist set on killing him.
>>83764554
Yuppies are parasites and should be removed.
>>83765406
Trump hates other rich people though.
>>83765500
Hospitals have backup generators just for that reason.
>>83765476
He's not a hack - you're just limited - y'know, in the head.
>>83765476
>Negotiating FOR HIS LIFE
I believe this was right after his wife and toady informed him that they discovered Frank's bomb and disarmed it. He had no reason to assume Frank could still blow them all to hell. He isn't trying to make an offer to someone in a normal business sale, anyway.
>>83765508
guy had to deal with all sorts of politicians, he certainly has diverse experiences.
>>83765523
>He pointed out a plot hole
>I have no actual grounds to call him wrong
>I Know! I'll call him a retard! that way he'll be to scared to keep questioning me and maybe make me think for even one second.
>>83765525
Frank still has guns and is a known cold-blooded killer. he's still at large and is notoriously implacable. .
>>83764554
the major issue I have with man vigilantes set on removing crime is that most of them would inevitably come to the conclusion of >>83765512 and become Che Guevaras set on toppling the current economic system of US.
>>83765521
Hospitals aside, there would also be a lot of accidents and crimes committed during a blackout. Maybe Frank went overboard (no pun intended) but they had to be stopped.
>>83765547
>with man vigilantes
*with many
>>83765542
>guy had to deal with all sorts of politicians
Politicians in a populist environment are not idealists by definition. Every time he ever negotiated with someone he knew that the other guy wants to leave the table a bit better off, just like he does. Guy who actually kills people because of something he believes in is just beyond his comprehension.
>>83765476
He wasn't negotiating with Frank at this point. He was telling Frank to go Frank his self.
>>83765571
>Hospitals aside, there would also be a lot of accidents and crimes committed during a blackout
Not that likely.
> Maybe Frank went overboard (no pun intended) but they had to be stopped.
Oh I agree. It's just the way I see it, he acted preemptively. If a corporation is fine and can get away with breaking law and and fucking up infrastructure this way just to make a profit, it is absolutely inevitable that very soon it will begin starting fires and dropping buildings just to make profit out of that.
>>83765546
See, now you're hitting on a caveat that has to be accepted for any Punisher story to work. That, in-universe, this man has slaughtered more people than some organized genocides, but criminals keep thinking they have a shot at escaping or killing him. Yeah the CEO doesn't help his chances by telling Frank to fuck off. Even with Barracuda on his side. But if he just lept in front of Frank's gun while saying "I accept it" the story would only be worse.
>>83764190
Wasn't it implied that they knew about the CEO's plan to shut down city power to drive electricity prices up?
>>83765386
>hurr if I suck Objectivist dick maybe I'll become rich too
>>83765521
>hurr Frank should have just let a corporation profit off power manipulation
Right who cares about the rioting that will go on or the fact they fucking say to him directly that if this works they'll do it throughout the nation.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Barracuda the one who set us up the bombs?
>>83765645
couldn't killing them also result in tons of innocent deaths as well?
Best superpower for a Punisher Villain: Murderressurrection. the guy is no more durable then a human, but if he dies, he comes back 24 hours later, sucking the life from a random human being somewhere on Earth. Punisher would have to face a genuine moral dilemma
>>83765645
>hurr Frank should have just let a corporation profit off power manipulation
I don't think so. I personally believe that Frank did the right thingand should proceed to remove corporate leadership all around the US, as it has more blood on it's hands than Darkseid does. It's just a fact that they can''t kill anyone with a blackout.
>>83765666
No Satan, you are worng and should gb2 hell aka reddit.
>>83765678
Incarceration on eternal life support. Frank surely knows a doctor who would do that. Sever that guy's spine and hook him up.
>>83765703
how could he kill that many high-ranking innocent businessmen and not have the FBI up his ass for every day for the rest of life? How can the police "Tolerate" a guy after he does that? how does the long arm of the US Federal Government never touch Frank except that one time MAYBE when they sent SEALs after him
Punisher's main superpower, I think, is some kind of mind-control, cine he constantly goes out of his way to burn every bridge but peopel keep fucking cooperating and tolerating him for no reason
>>83765715
but h's still not FRANK'd also, anyone could break in there and wake him up.
>>83765726
>how could he kill that many high-ranking innocent businessmen and not have the FBI up his ass for every day for the rest of life
Doesn't he already?
>>83765788
when ahs the FBI ever interfered with Frank? I'm sorry, but they will fucking comb the city for his ass, and after a stunt like that his public support will be at MAYBE .5% if he's lucky. the guy regularly goes to bars and walks the streets too, so there's no way on Earth he wouldn't be found. plus, there's only so much Manhattan to search for him or signs of him
>>83765814
It's a comic book. Frank is unrealistically good at his job and everyone who's looking for him is unrealistically shit at it.
Does he frank prostitutes?
>>83765819
At least Batman has a mask, a few billion dollars, and a record of zero murders. it makes sense why he's never been arrested.
>>83765820
He doesn't even frank low level pimps, as long as they're not involved in the drug trade or aren't too violent. He'll still give them a beating every now and then.
>>83765827
In his defence he's pretty plain looking and the giant white skull on his black shirt is what everyone has time to look at when they encounter him. So when you see him in average clothes he's just some bozo.
>>83765827
>it makes sense why he's never been arrested
It doesn't. Real life IRS can make SHIELD look like a bunch of underages playing cops in their basement, and judging by how phenomenally successful and profitable Wayne Enterprises is at every undertaking, it should be going at Bruce like holy hell.
>>83765840
> and the giant white skull
It also allows him to blend in with crowds of death metal fans and neckbeards who're into Punisher.
>>83765865
Especially when Dillon's on art.
>>83765851
I'm sure Bruce pays his taxes in full, without even writing off his charities. just to make sure he stays in good graces
>>83765840
motherfucker's like 6'4, blue eyes in a constant thousand-yard stare, face is wrinkly as my scrote and is built like a brick shithouse. he has a very distinguishable appearance.
>>83765873
Oh, yeah. Dillonverse Steve makes perfect sense. they should really do a Dillon Superman comic, so people unerstand why no one thinks its suspicious Superman looks like Clark minus glasses
>>83764190
that's some commie bullshit
I thought Frank was an American
The problem with white collar crime is that it's an infinitely more intricate web than blue collar crimes. You have a robber or a murderer, there's that robber and murderer. It's just one person and accomplices to that one person. With white collar crime, you have potentially dozens to actually hundreds of people.
Take the 2008 Financial Crisis. Largest global economic depression in modern history. Two entire countries went bankrupt. Who do we blame? The rating agencies for falsifying CDO and investment package grades? The commercial banks for giving out subprime loans without solid credit checks? The i banks for creating a network of increasingly risky credit default swaps? The government itself for forcing banks to give out loans to bolster the housing market?
Even with just fraud or war profiteering, most companies that are powerful enough to do something big and bad have a board of directors that chose to do that big and bad thing. Then you have people who have to enact it. Do you just kill everyone that had anything to do with it? Where do you draw the line?
>>83765951
That's the problem. Can't be a Freedom-Applepie-Picketfence-Marketpower American without accepting the unfair elements of the system as inevitable, including crime.
>>83766080
because capitalism is the greatest invention (besides democracy and tooth paste) in all of human history
responsible for saving more lives than any single other thing
>>83766066
Soviets and their satellites drew the line at the capital owners. If you own a business or a significant share - you are a member of the bourgeoisie and are to blame, so you gonna get fucked unless you literally ran to your local Revolutionary Council to have your stuff nationalized as soon as you caught a whiff of it. Even if your business didn't actually do any shady shit.
Everyone below were proletariat that was denied the products of their labor, and thus the oppressed class.
>>83765596
>Not that likely.
Are you for real? People get stuck to elevators, no electricity means no alarms, emergency calls would be delayed and flooded due to increase in accidents and trouble to reach destinations, there'd be unavoidable traffic accidents, etc. They were talking about a black out covering an entire state for who knows how long.
>>83764554
>>83764622
>>83764639
>>83764658
>>83764663
>>83764696
>>83765001
Mother fuckers shut down the electricity to Florida, Yeah the hospitals have back up generators but those lose power too. Add in no Stop lights, no internet, no phones, probably a couple of riots too. They had blood on their hands. Frank was only going after the CEO til Dumb-ass had to go and rob everyone on the ship of their innocence (Are you ok with killing people as long as you get a couple more thousand dollars at the end of the year? Yeah. You're scum.) Frank didn't care that he told Frank to Fuck off and Kill more "Niggers" Frank's Pissed because this guy values money more than people's life, the same way of thinking that lead to Frank losing every he loved.
>>83765084
Tbh it's been a while so I can't really say. But it probably wasn't murdering yuppies in engineering when Frank set the charges off.
>>83764671
and that makes him a liberal ? i hate how everybody on /co/ is a liberal retard pretending to be smart and yet commits logical falacies such as this
>>83764991
It's mentioned that the ship was also crewed and staffed entirely by Dynaco personnel.
>>83764190
Anymore stories with Frank taking on corporate crime? I know Mike Baron kind of did one (The Punisher #8-9) early on, and I guess there's The End.
>>83764190
Complicity in murdering dozens if not hundreds of people for money is a crime OP. The Punisher goes after people who commit crimes.
>I got something special for ya, I swear she only just turned 18!
WTF, why did Frank kill that guy?
Name a better arc than 6 Hours to Kill
ya fuckin can't.
also o Brian is my waifu and Rawlins is a shit
>>83766640
>someone said liberal with out saying cuck!!!
>>83767146
>Name a better arc than 6 Hours to Kill
The Greg Land-ian art of that story made it a reaction image goldmine.
![RCO017[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/qPzl8Y5.jpg "RCO017[1].jpg")
>>83767146
This was the best arc
The bad guys in that arc are literally white collar criminals who cause massive blackouts in different states in the USA for profit. Those statewide blackouts inevitably lead to some deaths. They have no remorse over this, plan on doing it more, and hire a cannabalistic mercenary to kill Frank.
And there are LOTS of people in this thread defending them?!
What the hell /co/?!
>>83767270
True story there.
>>83767364
We're saying it's hokey silly writing and that Ennis is a hack. Ennis shitposting is a longstanding tradition on /co/, are you new here?
>>83765493
These early/mid 2000s Punisher covers are great
>>83767491
I'm not arguing about the Ennis writing.
I'm talking about the people defending a depiction of unchained capitalism leading to the deaths of innocent people so a few Wall Street assholes can make a few more dollars.
>>83767600
if you can watch the scene in Dogma where Damon and Affleck kill a boardroom full of investors in a "totally justified" manner without cringing, then the problem lies with you
>conservatives getting mad at Ennis Frank for killing rich criminals
Ennis Frank kills everybody. He even killed the last survivors of the human race to make sure there would be no criminals left, then walked into a fire himself.
>>83765820
Multiple writers have depicted Frank fucking prostitutes, he's fine with them.
>>83767579
Better than most of the Marvel Knights one.
"Gee, what murky, interchangeable urban or skull-themed backdrop should we have Frank stand and possibly hold something in front of this issue?"
>>83765827
No it doesn't. Batman would logically be found out so goddamn fast.
How many buff, six foot four, white guys in Gotham could afford the millions if not billions of dollars batmans gear and vehicles would require.
It'd be so easy to connect those dots.
>>83765820
Only if they look like him.
>>83767741
This is 60 year old Frank from that arc with Kingpin and Bullseye right? Cause that Frank depresses the hell out of me. Just a sad old man getting the shit beat out of him
>>83767741
It's the eyes isn't it? I think it's the eyes that look similar
>>83767784
Have some more sad Frank hooker sex.
>>83767739
In Year One Gordon does initially suspect that Bruce Wayne is Batman. Then Gordon goes to see Bruce and totally buys into the playboy persona.
Also, by the end of that story (and in pretty much every Batman story) Batman and Gordon (the Police Commissioner) are allies so Gordon probably leads people away who are trying to investigate who Batman is.
In Zero Year (through the use of holograms) the first major public appearance of Batman has both Bruce and Batman seemingly there at the same time.
In Batman Inc Bruce trolls people that Bruce both can and can't be Batman on message boards like this so "Bruce Wayne is Batman" becomes a dumb conspiracy meme no one takes seriously.
>tl;dr
Bruce is really good at using misinformation to make people disregard their theory that Bruce Wayne is Batman.
People love to call Ennis a hack, but almost no one ever talks about his non-punisher comics
In fact, I believe I've seen hundreds of Punisher threads full of debate over his merits as a writer, over and over and over.
>>83768175
>but almost no one ever talks about his non-punisher comics
They are even worse
>>83766640
This is 4chan, where if you're not a 16 year old tinfoil hat racist you're tumblr.
>>83767825
Poor Frank
>>83768175
Theres been people talking about preacher nearly every day since the show started airing
>>83768175
> almost no one ever talks about his non-punisher comics
I liked The Boys at first, but they proceeded to get worse and worse with every issue.
>CAPESHIT IS SHIIIIT!
Haha you show them Ennis!
>IT'S A FECES-COVERED BRAINDEAD FAGGOTRY ohsorryguysI'mtotallywelcomingtowardsgays someofmybestfriendsaregays LIKE I SAID FAGGOTRY!
Hahah, haaaah. Eeeeh.
>CAPETARDS ARE SO UNBELIEVABLY IMBECILE AND BRAINDEAD
Ennis what the fuck are you getting a-
>ALL OF THEIR CONCEPTS ARE INSANELY DUMB AND OFFENSIVE AND MUST NOT FUCKING EXIST EVER
Ennis sto-
>ALL YOUR SUPERHEROES ARE A BUNCH OF SEX-DRIVEN DUMBASS DRUG ADDICTED ASSFAGGOTS didimentionthathomosexualityistotallyokinmyview? YES ASSFAGGOTS
Ennis the fuck are you doing?
I do wholeheartedly agree that capeshit deserves a lot of criticism for what it has become, but picrelated is taking it a bit too far.
And that's before we get to plotpoint resolutions and characters. Billy Butcher entirely deserves the mantle of one of the least bearable comic book characters of all times.
>Those nutjobs in Barracuda comic
>Innocent
>>83765678
>but if he dies, he comes back 24 hours later
Break his spine and put him in coma
Feed him via intravenous
Its not even a issue.
Or try Cryogenics
>>83764190
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot
ennis is a weird guy
>>83768175
I love Ennis. Sometimes he wigs me out.
Some of Crossed was actually really good - some of it not so much.
I tried to like the Boys but eh.
But His run on Hellblazer was fucking Iconic.
I loved Hitman
Preacher
He even did a decent crime comic mini series awhile back called Red Team
Fuck somebody story time Red rover Charlie.IM A DOG IM A DOG
>>83764554
I am
>>83768596
I'd fuck auntie Mo
She seems like a fun fuck
But she probably smells
>>83768220
Yes? The Center died in the West with Bush's reelection. Now it's just nazis and maoists screaming at each other, forever.
>>83765193
Not exclusively but that used to be Green Arrows deal, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor and all that
>>83767683
Check your goddamn background, Frank.
>>83765703
>they can't kill anone with a blackout
Frank only got involved specifically because the blackout killed people. Because, y'know, you can kill people with a blackout.
>>83769020
>using weather powers to take a shower
I wonder if she scrubs with lightning.
>>83768622
just googled it, wtf is this? Seems emotionally destroying
>>83769138
It's really good, and it's not as horrifying as Ennis's other work. It doesn't have a horrible everybody dies ending, at least.
>>83769138
Its about a group of Dogs in a post apocalypse trying to survive.
And yeah. Its pretty hard on the heart strings.
>>83769138
I just looked it up and I can't read it
I'm a huge softie for dogs and this is honestly so sad and I'm only 10 pages in
>>83766980
He said "12".
>>83764190
Ennis has no idea about how to write Punisher
>>83765087
Never read that issue but how is investing your own money stealing?
If I buy stock in in a company who am I robbing?
>>83764458
That's not what Punisher is about. Anarky or V would be characters who would do something like that, for example.
>>83764622
Complicit in terrorism? Like Frank was on that mission to Russia?
Like, Jesus, remember that one? That time Ennis made Frank literally volunteer to be a black ops terrorist on services of US Army? Right after story arc when Frank rejected exact same proposal? Ennis is a fucking hack.
Worst part is, he is actually really good regarding storytelling ability, it's just he has no interesting stories to say.
>>83764671
Uh, you can't be a 'radical liberal' (and shooting people with guns is pretty radical move - I mean, Punisher is basically Unabomber who doesn't kill innocents). Liberalism as a political philosophy is about finding moderate middle ground between left and right. We think of liberals as leftist simply because being a communist was literally illegal in USA for bg chunk of last century.
>>83765814
The last series. It was written by Nathan Edmonson. Read comics.
>>83765523
kay, I'm fucking laughing. I understand when faggots try to defend Morrison's shit this way, because Morrison at least puts interesting subtext in his stories - but fucking Ennis?
Really, ennis is 3deep5you? Lmfao, to Ennis 'subtlety' mean "When GEP* shoots the villain in the head, isntead of making it ultra-detailed splash page of his head exploding into gory cloud, let's instead make the headsplosion off panel, and just show torrent of blood hitting the wall".
*-GEP - Generic Ennis Protagonist. Cool guy who is a badass, usually is very good with guns and with fists. With preptime, can give Batman run for his money because he's so badass and prepared like that. If it's an original character, he's most likely British or Irish. Very 'politically incorrect', but with a golden heart.
Any protagonist Ennis write will be forced to conform into this template to some degree- be it Frank Castle, Nick Fury, protags of Preacher, Just a Pilgrim or The Boys, doesn't matter.
>>83767600
>I'm talking about the people defending a depiction of unchained capitalism
If it was unchained capitalism nobody would have to die because nobody would be tied to any one power company.
It sounds more like a negative consequence of crony capitalism
>>83764190
>be me
>start 401k
>put 20% of my portfolio into high risk investments because I'm young enough to take the risk
>go to stockholders meeting because I want to learn more about long term investments
>C...Castle?
>>83771212
Tell me what I should want out of my comics then.
>>83768305
The Boys pissed me of the most, because it says NOTHING about superheroes. There is not a single superhero in The Boys. "Supes" are just superpowered celebrities that don't fight crime - so how is this commentary on superheroes in any way? Answer is, it isn't. In fact, it makes one question - why superpowers are even needed, if they don't do shit?
Early issues mention 'fighting crime' and 'disaster relief' but we never actually see anyone do that. In Russia there is a shitton of supervillains, but that is never elaborated upon (or wasn't until I dropped it, somewhere around issue 30, because I was tired of this shit).
Early issue mentions something about superpeople being so detached from humanity because "it's hard to care about hurting people when you're invulnerable' but they aren't! 90% of supes we see can be hurt with regular knives and bullets (the G-Men massacre?) begging the question, why The Boys don't even carry guns?
I mean, the 9/11 hijacking issue was kind of interesting, but stupid - I'm supposed to believe that a defense contractor has grown all these superpowered people from ground up with entire point of it being supersoldiers, and in their entire life NOONE gave them any military training, at all, let alone the kind that you would give to special ops units (and it doesn't get more special than superheroes)? That's just braindead.Also I didn't get that far but supposedly Black Noir is identical clone of Homelander - doesn't that mean he can fly? So couldn't he just, fly up and put the plane down, since only reason mission failed was because Black Noir fell down and they didn't have a pilot?
Remember when he got a general killed?
>>83771502
What the fuck are you blabbering on about? I'm just laughing because some fuck said that if you don't get Ennis, "you must be limited in the head" - >>83765523
>>83771513
You posted the whole point of the story. And still missed it. Are you baiting?
>>83771555
Kek. There it is. Simple question and you sperg out. I'm simply asking what kind of comics you read.
>>83765082
Why not?
>>83771585
Okay, but The Boys doesn't say anything interesting as a commentary on celebrity worship culture either. Like, closest we get is when the Nightwing ripoff turns out to be really fucking homophobic despite his public persona, but that's about it (and it's hard to treat it seriously when subplot involves Batman ripoff trying to fuck everything in sight).
I mean, does it comment about people seeing celebrities as role models? Do they get their lines of clothes, perfumes, this kind of stuff? Not really, we never see enough regular people (who aren't spies, gangsters or supes) to know culture's reactions to superheroes.
Also not sure how the fact that there seem to be supervillains implied to be classic comicbook supervillains (since that Russian gangster chick talks about your "conquering the world bullshit" or something like that) but we never see any ramifications. Again, early on when Starlight or whatever was her name mentions that supes that aren't JL ripoff DO fight crime - but it's never adressed.
So are you trying to say that book being completely inconsistent about pretty much every single detail of wordlbuillding (evil corp is supposed to have monopoly on making superheroes, but Xavier ripoff contacts them that he has an already-ready superteam and is interested in licensing - if V was obtainable to him, what stops other defense contractors from getting their hands on small amounts of V, using it on special forces commandos, and selling them as supersoldiers?) - that inconsistency and bullshit is 'books entire point'?
Nah. I'm not buying that shit.
>>83771617
>Tell me what I should want out of my comics then.
means something completely different than
>I'm simply asking what kind of comics you read.
They're not even vaguely similar. As for what I read, I generally try to read the comic that try to push boundaries of what we can understand as a 'superhero story' - Hellboy, Watchmen, Sandman Mystery Theater, Gaiman's Sandman, Hellblazer, Irredeemable, Superman: Red Son, Punisher, Kick-Ass, Planetary, Authority, Arkham Asylum: Serious House On Serious Earth, Lex Luthor: Man of Steel - which is why I was interested in The Boys in the first place, and came out seriously disappointed.
Imo, Irredeemable does a lot of the stuff The Boys tries to do, but does it better - it manages to shock viewers without resorting to edgy shit that is so predictable, it can be put on bingo cards (pic related - The Boys fills out entire card by issue 30, and yes, that is a bingo 25 times over) and knows when to quit - I think if The Boys was more concise and it was said in 30, rather than 70, issues, it would be a much better book.
I mean, they are very different books, but I'm comparing them because they have relatively similar tone and came out at about the same time.
>>83771796
No I'm saying the point is that they're little shithead playing weekend God's. The reason they don't show the supervillans and disaster relief is because it doesn't matter to them. It's just bullshit publicity. The only genuine superheros are Starlight and Super-Duper. And to be fair it did show the supers trying to be active in the community. They threw a gig at at a children's hospital to raid the prescription cabinet. You're supposed to be the little man. These hero's save the world but its not out of empathy or put of the goodness of their heart. It's just for self gain. The point Ennis was trying to make at least is that he dosen't feel that Superheros are human or relatable or show much care for the little man. Though he does recognize they're still flawed human beings. For more examples of the whole celebrity worship they show a shit ton of diffrent convention the supes throw to build more intrest and pump profits.Sorry for rambling and wandering. And thanks for being not a complete ass. You seem alright. If I missed your point completely just reiterate it and I'll try and meet it with a thought out answer.
Big business people have prominently been villains and generally disgusting human beings in Ennis's literature (e.g. Quincannon)
Also, if he's willing to make even angels and God look like assholes, his cynicism probably knows no boundaries and makes him consider EVERYONE guilty of something or fundamentally flawed.
check his take on Ghost Rider to see what I'm talking about. Some anon posted it yesterday. It was great fun.
>>83754897
>>83771985
You're right about all the dumb edgy shit and the length. Maybe I've read too much Ennis and I just don't mind it anymore. And yeah he kinda drags out most of his comics when they could've been wrapped up much sooner. Especially The Boys. You could have cut out a lot of shit in the middle and everything with Butcher at the end. And yeah it's disappointing. Have you read Marshal Law? I think it does all of it much better and still keeps the satirical tone.
>>83771025
Ennis isn't that great of a storyteller either, he has a ton of plot holes. Like for once in the Widowmaker arc, when that ghetto nigger has to kill the cop nigger, he just shoots at the wife for some reason.
>>83771429
Don't worry, take a look at >>83765001 , Ennis made sure to depict everyone as a middle aged evil white male.
>>83766423
This.
Hell. Speaking from a personal perspective I respect the guy who pulls the knife on me and demands my wallet more than white collar dipshits.
At least the mugger has the decent to do it himself and look me in the eye instead of some cloak and dagger horse shit.
>>83772635
>implying you wouldn't shit your fucking pants if 3 "youths" approached you with knives in a dark alley
>>83772670
Whether or not I need to change clothes is not really the point.
Im saying the common thug is more deserving of my respect man than a button up white collar perpetrator of indirect violence.
>>83771212
then what is his enemy ace book?
>>83771079
You can be radical anything. There are radical Buddhists.
>>83768305
The Boys actually talked about a lot of peeve land issues
>Mainstream media pretending to care about gay people when in reality they don't
>What holding in anger and resentment does to someone
>Being passive, kind doesn't make you a weak person
>>83771985
THE BOYS ISN'T ABOUT SUPERHEROES
IT'S ABOUT TRYING TO BE A GOOD PERSON IN A WORLD FULL OF BAD ONES/ HUGE DICKS
>>83764190
Their crime was hiring Barracuda to kill Frank. Hiring hitmen to kill The Punisher is against the law.
>>83765391
Paul just wants to make their crimes legal.
Ennis also wrote a shitton of Judge D back in the 90's
And for those who liked "The Boys", lets not forget "The Pro"
That action did bother me, not so much for the stockholders, but because of the ship crew. How the fuck would they be responsible for he shit happening at Florida? Did the bartender making martinis deserve to die? What the fuck, Frank?
>>83766980
If you're talking about Netflix MCU Daredevil Punisher's sketchy pawn shop guy, he said "she's not a day over 13".
aka. child porn
>>83769138
It's sort of like crossed, but with less rape and more dogs.
>>83767856
>In Batman Inc Bruce trolls people that Bruce both can and can't be Batman on message boards like this so "Bruce Wayne is Batman" becomes a dumb conspiracy meme no one takes seriously.
I like how in that one animated series episode, this super artificial intelligence programmed with the MOs of every super villian figured out who Batman was in seconds based on wealth and physical stats, and Batman's response was to troll him into having an existential crisis like he did with Riddler after he figured it out when he drank from the Lazarus Pits.
>"Where's the fun in telling people the answer? What will you do once Batman is gone? You will be ruining the joke."
>>83777627
They were all at least a little in on it
>>83767270
>they killed Finn on Daredevil S2 before we could get a proper adaptation of Kitchen Irish
it hurts
