Still very much a work in progress with many more connections to be put in there it's been my ambition to create a model of the Marvel Omniverse.
>>83727618
Good job anon
Neato, OP.
>>83727618
Slight correction. The original designation for the Inhumans was Homo Sapiens Inhumanus, but Matt Fraction is an idiot who doesn't understand science or continuity and renamed them Inhomo Supremis. But after he left, other books like Karnak have gone back to calling them Homo Inhumanus.
>>83728174
I'll be sure to fix it.
>>83727618
Hot fucking damn, this is coming along great. Keep it up.
>Spider-man
>Homo Insectus
Wouldn't it be homo-arachnus or something of that order?
Why separate the mutates, even?
Where's Jack Kirby?
>>83729857
Right above The Infinity Being in The Outer Void.
Though OP should specify Jack Kirby as an aspect of the One-Above-All.
>>83727618
>doens't have the balls to put yahweh on the same category of modern gods
>>83727618
I'm really glad you're doing this OP cause now I don't have to.
>>83727618
Marvel is a megaverse, not a multiverse so you should add Malibu and New Universe too.
Great job OP.
>nuh-uh MY OCs are the MOST powerful!
I like Hickman but everything about the Builders and Beyonders was crap.
>>83730167
>and Beyonders
Hickman didn't create The Beyonders. Gruenwald did. Them creating the cosmic cubes and being all-powerful beings from beyond the multiverse has been canon since Secret Wars 3.
>>83730227
Fair enough, I never bothered with Secret Wars 2 or 3.
>>83727618
Keep it up mah man!
Damn m8, this is based. Didn't know it was a /co/mrade making this.
Some questions and suggestions:
Why is the negative zone encompassing the multiverse? Don't all realities have their own neg zone?
Somewhere between the universe and the overspace we should have the Astral plane.
We could use a sphere between earth and the universe where we can put all the mythical and (earth-locked) magical dimensions like the world tree and the other mythical locations.
Where do we fit Dormammu's realms. Did he conquer realities or some sort of pocket dimensions?
Altez's position should be more prominent, desu.
Also, the Kree have Eternals?
>>83730018
iirc the acquired franchises have their own universe designation
>>83730227
Also, for that matter, the majority of the things attributed to the Builders were all things from Warren Ellis' newuniversal, except they were just "an ancient alien race." All Hickman did was give them a name and flesh them out, but everything regarding the caretakers, the superflow, and the white event stuff was established by Ellis.
Where does Reed and his family currently reside now?
>>83730556
>newuniversal
Wait, I thought that project died uncompleted...
>>83730850
It did, but Hickman integrated a lot of ideas from it into his Avengers run.
>>83730871
And for comparison, I'll post The White Event as presented by Ellis in newuniversal, and The White Event as presented by Hickman in Avengers.
First, newuniversal.
>>83731027
And now The White Event from Hickman's Avengers.
>>83727618
Excellent infographic.
>people say /a/ has power level problems
>>83731070
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>>83731139
>>83731155
>>83727618
Destiny is missing from the abstracts.
>>83727618
This will probably be useful for you if you plan to add in the magical dimensions of the MU.
>>83731370
What's this from?
>>83731568
Marvel tarot
>>83731568
The marvel tarot, from back when they put out marvel mystic arcanna.
>>83730871
>>83730965
Damn. Okay, then. Consider me educated. That's cool as all hell, even if I haven't read any Marvel ongoing series for years now.
>>83731370
This place has a few more magic realms and some info on the ones in that image.
>http://www.marvunapp.com/ohotmu/appendixes/mdapp.htm
>>83730513
The Negative Zone is a vaguely defined alien universe which may or may not encompass the entire multiverse
The Magical dimensions are on a chart itself bigger than this one so there's really no way they can be fit into this outside of being their own seperate chart. Same for Dormammu's realms, they're all superfluous to the larger ominiversal structure which this chart is intended to present, but I will most likely try and figure out some way to present prominent extra-dimensional entities however I can in this chart.
Altez is just a dude who holds Earth-616 in place on the cosmic vortex preventing it from being drawn into the Infinity Abyss.
Both Kree and Skrulls had Eternals and Deviants. The Skrulls themselves are actually an example of the Deviants having subdued both the Flatscans and Eternals becoming the dominant species on their planet where as both Eternals and Deviants basically fell to the wayside of the Kree.
>>83734864
kek it's dc though
>>83727618
>>83734924
Pretty much, I'm not necessarily autistic, but have alot of the quirks that go with it, guess I'm technically classed as a "cousin" which is someone on the spectrum who has symptoms that mirror those of high functioning autism. But whatever, I function well enough and it has been a fun challenge to make this, if I must use my aspie super powers to better the lives of anonymous people online then that is my charge.
Where's the speed force?
>>83727618
Mistress Love and Sire hate had an agent that worked for them, kind of like the inbetweener, she showed up in some silver surfer comics in the 90's.
>>83734735
Did't know the Kree were touched by the Celestials. I've read as far back as the kree skrull war and never heard a mention. What book was it in?
I recall annihilation era cosmic marvel referring to the neg zone as a place that operates in the opposite timeline than the universe, so as our universe expands, theirs is shrinking (and all the energy traveled through that focal point you mention in the chart). Under this definition then, I see the neg zone as just another part of a given unvierses's architecture. Then again the ultimate authority of the negative zone are the FF comics.
Regarding Dormammu's realms, I don't know much about his lore, but my current understanding is that the dark dimension(s) exist inside the universe, basically mystical pocket dimensions that Dormammu and other sorcerers play magical risk with.
If I follow what you say, and those dimensions exist outside the multiverse, he could theoretically visit and reality he wanted, but I don't recall Dormammu being unique at a multiversal level.
Can you post your magic dimension chart?
>>83727618
That's dope as hell
>>83735940
Ultimus is the last Kree eternal left, at least the only one that's ever been mentioned.
And what i read to understand this thing?
>>83736137
I think I remember last 2 skrull eternals posing as gods in an event and dying , but can't remember which
>>83736416
Only Kly'bn was an eternal, Sl'gur't was a deviant, and they did ascend to godhood.
>>83736386
roughly 5 decades of comics.
>>83727618
Is the term "Cosmic Compass" official? I've come across it before but I can't find any comics where's it's used.
>>83734735
>>83736711
Also is Overspace the same as the Dimension of Manifestation?
>>83727618
>We want to go all the way to the edge of this.
>>83737204
>two of the smartest man on the planet thought this was a good idea
>Sword in the Star
You're getting really obscure here OP.
Map thread?
>>83731070
>>83731086
>>83731102
>>83731119
>>83731139
>>83731155
>>83731165
Still have no idea what the fuck is going on here
>>83736729
This is true and very interesting, but the Negative Zone is cited as a very tangible part of the space time Omniverse depicted in the chart so while it shares many characteristics to these other Universes which also exist as partin which we reside in
>>83736729
what is this from?
>>83739487
>filename
I'm an idiot
>>83738083
What exactly is Midgard in the marvel universes? Is it just the earth, or is it also the rest of the normal universe? If not, how does all the other planets and solar systems fit into the model?
Where would Shuma Gorath be on this chart?
>>83741743
He's right there, under Old Ones in the Exo-Space.
>>83741782
Cheers, didn't spot that one. Too much zooming in.
Beautiful, OP. Simply astounding work.
>>83735089
>aspie super powers
You should be a superhero.
Nice job btw.
>>83736700
There's a number of Conan novels in there too.
>>83739094
The newuniversal white event shows how a White Event is supposed to go. The Avengers one shows that the superflow is getting attacked, destroying the waystations in the process, so the caretaker that manages them all has them all activate their white events in a last ditch effort before they all get destroyed.
>>83727618
good shit op, don't give up i believe in you, this fucking amazing btw
>>83727618
Oh placement of dream in marvel looks interesting
Some minor tweaking
fix'd "One-Above-All"
Re-situated the Beyonders since they are stated as having their own unique dimension outside of the omniverse.
And added the cosmic abstract "Destiny"
>>83743421
Nice.
What about Reed Richards, Franklin Richards Sue Richards and Owen Reese?
>>83743421
>dat OAA
You sir are a treasure.
Also, is the white line through "shadow" of Those Who Sit Above In Shadow intentional?
>>83743596
Owen Reese (Molecule Man) is listed under the Beyonders along with the Beyonder as the Reality Bomb. And Franklin Richards (Future Man) is listed under Mutant Cosmic anomalies.
Fantastic Four can be found under the "Latents" section within the Earth sphere.
>>83743610
That was an error, any floating text outside of a bubble is stuff I haven't properly situated yet.
>>83743651
Should Owen and the Fantastic Four be above, well, everything, since they are re-creating the multiverse now?
Johnny Storm would be on Earth still.
>>83743824
It's more about where they came from then where they currently happen to be at the moment.
>>83743848
That's fine. But might be a good idea to specify that this is a pre-Secret Wars cosmology then.
>>83743877
Neither Owen Reece nor the Fantastic Four have taken up any permanent residence or cosmic title, they just happen to have a very important job at the moment. Owen Reece once resided in a tourist town in Nevada where he had his own pocket reality and recently was found lounging in the Superflow by Galactus. The Fantastic Four have had numerous important roles in repairing the universe/multiverse or resetting it so to choose any of those intermediary periods (as is their current situation now) as a place to list them really doesn't do them justice as to what they really are or their concrete place in the cosmos. If these roles prove more permenant then I may make some changes to the chart, but just as the Beyonder is never in one place (or holding to one explanation) for very long neither is the fantastic four or molecule man.
where does spiderman's totem "the great weaver of destiny" fall in this list? in my headcannon, she is the one that "weaves" the many multiverses together by changing people's destiny. so she could fit in somewhere with the abstracts or anywhere in the oververse
>>83743981
>Neither Owen Reece nor the Fantastic Four have taken up any permanent residence or cosmic title
You should probably read Secret Wars, they are -literally- creating the multiverse, using Owen Reese as a power source.
The Beyonders no longer exist.
>>83743421
I'd add an offshoot from Jack Kirby for His Collaborator.
>>83744077
Anon, do you seriously think OP hasn't read Secret Wars?
>>83744053
>she
You mean Karn? That's a 'he'.
>>83744169
If the Anon doesn't know that the FF (sans Johnny of course) and Owen Reese are the literal source of the multiverse, I don't think they did read it.
>>83744329
Sans Ben too
>>83744355
Oh, good catch. Since he's off with the GotG.
>>83744329
Can you really consider them the source when they're just returning it to its previous state?
>>83744397
Yes. Owen Reese is literally the life force powering each reality.
Reed and Franklin come up with the concept of the new universes together (and thus far have restored Earth-616, Earth-65 and a few others to -mostly- the same state (with some minor changes here and there, like Parker Industries being successful in 616)) and then, with Reese's energy, give birth to said reality. Owen puts a part of his life force in each one and is thusly the foundation of all of reality.
This is all excplicitely stated in Secret Wars #9. Reed and Franklin
>>83744469
>Owen Reese is literally the life force powering each reality.
No, he's the anchor that connects them.
>>83744490
Yes, connects them to existence. They would cease to exist without him.
>>83744329
no not karn, im talking about THIS "great weaver"
only wiki page on "her" so far is mainly from spider island stuff
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Weaver_(Earth-616)
but pic related is "her" in the recent SPIDERMAN/DEADPOOL #5 where DP kills peter, but his soul gets trapped in purgatory (in the next page) by a demon powered mysterio (mephesto deal) and DP half-kills himself to enter purgatory and save peter's soul.
>>83744713
That's Madame Webb...
OP you going to add other connections from Yggsadril to the other 8 realms?
>>83744796
no dude, "madame webb" was "cassandra webb"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_Web
she was just another spider-totem related person with "Clairvoyance" which IMO is just super attuned spider sense.
im talking about THE spider god-totem-entity thing that peter parker and others are "avatars" of. I know its never clearly defined, but I figured you would know better where "she" falls in the heirarchy.
The Point of the chart is to show where everything came from and what it is, not what it is necessarily currently doing during this exact moment in the ongoing comic continuum. The situation with the FF and Owen Reece is complicated so it's not really something that needs depicting at least not until we see how it is fleshed out since I don't image that is a role we're going to see them in indefinitely. Reed had reconstructed the Universe/Omniverse twice before, but that really doesn't make him a cosmic entity, just a guy who happened to be in a situation to recreate the Universe without Abraxas then travel back to the big bang with some alien and help form the coalescing cosmic consonance into a working Universe. This is the sort of shit the FF do on a fairly regular basis, it's not really something that needs to redefine what they are (save maybe Franklin) every other story arc. Owen Reece is still the product of a reality bomb who is now using his reality destroying powers to create new realities, he's not the abstract embodiment of creation, he's just a power that's being used by the FF to recreate old universes and forge new ones; though I may give both him and the beyonder a more prominent designation on the chart. Same reason why Thanos and Adam Warlock are listed under the separate designations of how they came to be, not necessarily as two proto-cosmic forces even though that's essentially what they are becoming. The same way that the Living Tribunal doesn't need to be designated as an alternate reality Adam Warlock that struck a deal with the One-Above-All to replace the old one, it's the same role in the same cosmic spot doing the same cosmic stuff.
The people bringing up these points aren't wrong or without merit, but this is to be adequately addressed on the chart some characters may have to be put on their more than once as a two dimensional depiction of a cosmic map that deals with both functionality and origin doesn't always work out perfectly.
>>83745572
I totally understand where you're coming from and the point of it.
But you have to remember that there are a lot of dummies out there. I feel like simply saying "Pre-Secret Wars Cosmology" would eschew away a lot of unneeded confusion or discussion.
But that's just my personal opinion.
>>83745709
It's a fair point, I'll probably just mark things that don't exist anymore (beyonders, abraxis, etc) in a different color to denote that they no longer exist, but at one time were a part of it.
>>83745709
>>83745772
Thing about the Beyonders not existing anymore is that we have to take Doom's word for it, and let's be honest here, Doom has a really bad track record when it comes to actually killing Beyonders and not just thinking he did.
>>83743421
This thing is awesome.
Though I can't seem to find where the Gibborim ended up this time . . .
>>83746264
They're in the Elder Gods bubble within in the Earth Sphere.
>>83746309
Thanks!
>>83735771
You're thinking of Avatar, who was an alien princess that was so thirsty for Norrin's nonexistent dick that she pledged herself into mistress love pledged herself in her service if she gave her the power to make him love her, and then afterwards sire hate offered her more power if she would also serve under him. A lot of trouble to go through for a guy who's body resembles a ken doll, and spends 90 percent of his time drifting through space droning on about shit.
>>83746119
>Thing about the Beyonders not existing anymore is that we have to take Doom's word for it
And Owen's. What incentive does he have to lie? Especially after helping forge the new multiverse.
>>83727618
>Having stuff above/outside One-Above-All
>>83747244
My thoughts, too.
>>83747244
Those things exist beyond, they're not more powerful than TOAA, they're just from beyond.
>>83747499
Well, by that logic, the One Above All is beyond even the beyonders. He/It is beyond, well, everything. As its a reference to Jack Kirby or whoever is writing the comic.
>>83728174
>Inhomo Supremis
I hate when people can't be bothered to even google scientific terms to pretend to get them right.
Why would they be a whole 'nother genus?
>>83746761
Surfer ain't having none of her shit.
>>83746761
>mfw this is the only Silver Surfer comic I own in print and got randomly as a bundle.
I still feel a bit weird about the Beyonders occupying roughly the same space as the TOAA. I mean they aren't, but it's portrayed that they are on the same level. TOAA is, by definition, above everything. He's writer-level, meaning he is infinitely more powerful than the Beyonders.
>>83744938
Yeah youre right, except that image is of madame web and not the weaver. the only time i can remember the weaver being shown on panel before spider-verse she was just a giant ugly spider, then spider-verse weaver before karn was pic related.
>>83746761
Man, Silver Surfer Vol. 3 had it's weird moments
Remember when he traveled to the edges of the universe, fell unconscious from the sheer strain? And and then someone cut him in pieces and sold them.
>>83748333
You have to remember that TOAA is only above the marvel multiverse. While the beyonders are also written by marvel, they are written to be from outside the marvel multiverse.
>>83747554
in most appearances TOAA is just a literal god figure with no direct ties to the writers. depicting him as a writer is one way he's been represented but it's not the original or the most common way. he's also appeared as iggy pop (not to my knowledge a comic writer) and, more often, a glowy ethereal figure. in most representations he behaves either as a stern overseer or a caring god, but you don't typically get the kind of morrison animal man meta-commentary you would expect if he was supposed to be the writer.
>>83747554
implying there isn't somebody above the writer in company books
>>83727618
thank you, OP
>>83737495
>Tell me why.
I read that and my head went "I don't like Mondays"
Judge me as you will.
>>83727618
Hulkling isn't the only Scrull/Kree hybrid, there's a whole magical space clubhouse full of them plotting to bring peace to the galaxy.
>>83749455
It's really funny how many radio stations play that song without caring about the context.
>>83743421
The Kyln is supposed to be the Kyln
>>83739597
>What exactly is Midgard in the marvel universes?
As Midgard meant something like middle guard I would imagine that Earth is their outpost in our universe and most of the time no one cares to name the rest of our universe so they just name it after the outpost.
>>83749643
*The Klyn is supposed to be the Kyln
I'm a retard
>>83749656
So the rest of the universe is still part of the Midgard realm, but only earth is important to the Asgardians?
>>83749748
Based on me thinking about it because you asked yes that is how it works. They found Earth set up an outpost and called it Midgard, as nothing else in our universe got named most Asgardians think of the whole think place as Midgard except 14 yo Loki who would dung post about it on 4dian and feel smug that no one had anything else to call it.
Anyone with anything cannon overrides me.
>>83747244
According to the entry in pic related, Marvel states that The One Above All is "the entity believed to be the supreme being/creator of the Omniverse".
>>83750093
>except 14 yo Loki who would dung post about it on 4dian and feel smug that no one had anything else to call it.
Was not aimed at you, I assume you just wondered what the answer to your question and hope you wouldn't take it as aimed at you but this place has a way of making people assume the worst so I'm just explaining that it was a throw away joke not aimed at anyone.
Making him a beonder?
>>83750376
>Making him a beonder?
Was meant to link to>>83750335
I need sleep.
>>83750415
No, he's beyond the Beyonders. He oversees, literally, everything. The Beyonders are beyond the multiverse, but they're apart of the omniverse. The One Above All created the omniverse.
>>83750335
>Creator of the omni-verse
>Doesn't exist outside of the Marvel multi-verse
>>83751000
>exists in real life, as the entire point of the character is to have the creators talk directly to the characters.
>>83751000
But he does exist outside of the marvel multiverse. Are you incapable of reading the chart?
>>83751105
>>83751131
The omniverse is everything. That chart is only a tiny, insignificant part of the omniverse. DC is part of the omniverse. Dark horse is part of the omniverse. Our universe is part of the omniverse. TOAA is only part of the marvel sub-part of the Omniverse.
>>83751192
>The omniverse is everything.
>DC is part of the omniverse.
You don't know what the omniverse is.
>>83751407
Omni = every/all
verse = shortening for universe
Omniverse = all universes
The omniverse is everything in existence you numpty.
>>83751407
>doesnt think DC is part of the omniverse
they are, literally everything you can possibly conceive is part of the omniverse, everything ever is part of the omniverse
multiverse<megaverse<<<omniverse
>>83750821
So when the Beyonders claimed they made everything and were going to destroy it that only covered the multiverse? Good to know, since they offed The Living Tribunal I assumed that they were OAA level power.
Back on the main topic am I alone in thinking it would work better as three charts? One to give the omniverse/multiverse level, one for 616/8, The Dark Dimention, Asgard etc. and one for the biology stuff? It seems like we have too much to fit into the Universe/Earth bit.
>>83751625
It took a multitude of them attacking the living tribunal in all realities simultaneously to kill him, beyonders are powerful but nowhere near the one above all.
Where do Roma and the captain Britain corps fit in this?
>>83748345
no dude, that image I posted from Deadpool/Spiderman #5 and that entinty is technically still unnamed. I still think "she" is the true "great weaver" aka the SOURCE of all spider totem's powers, while karn is "the MASTER weaver" and hes just the custodian/keeper of the various webs of life/multiverses. He doesnt produce the webs, just weaves them.
the web of life/destiny itself is litterally the various multiverses represented as silk strands, with each having multiple possible branching paths hence the multiverse and "destiny".
(more headcannon) Peter being the avatar of the cosmic entity that produces the various alternate realities/multiverses is the reason he interacts with so many of his alternate reality selves (spiderverse). If there is multiverse shenanigans going on, you can bet there's a half dozen or so spider-men involved.
>>83727618
What about the Panopticon from the Exiles? Shouldn't that be in the Multiverse level
>>83752479
>I still think "she" is the true "great weaver" aka the SOURCE of all spider totem's powers
I know what issue its from, she looks like madame web and nothing at all like the weaver. period. your arguments about what the weaver are are correct, except that thing >>83744713
in the image is not her.
>>83752479
Are we sure that it is an actual entity and not just some vision / hallucination courtesy of Peter being dead?
>>83746761
Didn't that all end with Silver Surfer leaving her on some random world trapped in virtual reality simulation?
>>83752533
Fuck, nevermind, I see it's by the White Room.
>>83751470
>>83751522
That's not how the omniverse is defined by Marvel though. You want to apply your own random definitions, that's fine, but the term "omniverse" as it applies to Marvel isn't the same as the way you're using it here.
>>83753049
Marvel misusing a term doesn't change what that term means.
>>83753081
The official definition of an omniverse is "a universe that is spatiotemporally four-dimensional" which is neither how Marvel uses it nor how you're using it.
>>83753081
It does when we're talking about the term omniverse as it applies to Marvel.
>>83727618
Wolverine is descended from an animalistic humanoid species called Lupines, literally wolf people that evolved alongside humanity. This was revealed in the Wolverine Origins (2009) story. It's stupid, and I don't think it merits inclusion into your image, but I'd swap out Wolverine for a more "normal" mutant.
>>83753081
Whether or not Marvel uses the term correctly is irrelevant. How they use it is part of Marvel canon, which is indisputable.
Your definition does not reflect the actual application in canon.
>>83753121
>>83753183
>>83753245
Calling a planet a solar system doesn't make it one. Not that I really care what they call it.
>>83753204
This is incorrect. Romulus made that claim, but it was proven to be a lie by Remus in Wolverine v2 #312
>>83753288
It does if its a fictional world of your own creation. You define the rules.
In this case, Marvel defines the rules, not you.
>>83753343
You know you'd get annoyed if they said that the Thing was made of wood. He's clearly not, but they make the rules, right?
>>83753319
Oh thank god.
>>83753460
If wood in the marvel universe meant stone, then yeah, he'd be made of wood.
Mutant in the Marvel universe doesn't mean the same thing as mutant in our universe, yet I don't see you getting triggered by that. In our world, a mutant is anything that has been mutated from its original or normal form. In the marvel universe, what we call a mutant is called a mutate, and to them, a mutant is anything with an x-gene, something that doesn't exist in our world.
Fictional worlds often define terms differently than the real world.
>>83752750
>>83752861
that giant green thing from spider island is probably the weaver's eldrich appearance, while the lady is her human personification.
But It will probably never be explained who or what she was. But I dont think she is "madame webb" because she was never a cosmic entity, just some old lady with super-claivoyance-spider-sense
The REAL "great weaver" from various world religions is pretty damn close to what Iv been calling Peter's totem lady. Its always a feminine entety that represents life, destiny,dreams, illusion, etc.
Im not trying to be obtuse. Iv just always wanted them to expand more on the whole spider totem idea. especialy with regards to the "other" and how it is involved. I want a damned spider pantheon damnit!
>>83753460
I'd get annoyed, yes. But I'm not the one who gets decide what is or is not canon. So if The Thing was revealed to be made of wood... he's made of wood. Whether you or I like it or not.
>>83727618
Are you going to send this to Marvel when you're done?
They would fairly credit you, of course. :^)
>>83750335
any scans of this comic?
>>83756520
Its not a comic, its a handbook...
>>83727618
Anon, you're making my day. I'm writing fanfic stuff in the Marvel Universe and it's a fucking chaos.
