Why'd they introduce him just to kill him off?
Was it a "Fuck You" to FOX and their rights to the X-Men movies?
>>83722379
>Was it a "Fuck You" to FOX and their rights to the X-Men movies?
No, it was because Wheadon wanted to kill someone off because he's aware of his reputation. They actually filmed an ending with Pietro alive incase Marvel didn't let Joss kill him off.
Killing off Quickslav actually makes it easier for Fox. Now they get to use the character without casual getting confused more than they already may be.
Fox has Pietro, Marvel has Wanda.
>>83722379
Pretty sure it was the opposite. One had to go so they chose to keep Scarlet Witch. FOX cucked Marvel out of Quicksilver.
>>83722379
If it was a "fuck you" it was directed at people who care about Quicksilver. It felt more like "Welp, we've gotta put Quicksilver in an Avengers movie, but we don't want to share a character with Fox, so we'll just halfass it and kill him off"
This has me sort of curious.
Are there any other characters that overlap and belong to both Fox & Marvel?
>>83722379
Because they realized xmen's quicksilver was 1000x better and didn't want to have to compete in popularity.
>>83722734
Wanda. I once heard that Marvel can use Skrulls but not Super Skrulls, but I don't think that's true.
Everyone cites Whedon as the cause, but it seems convenient that both companies killed off the character that wasn't the run away hit for them.
Although getting rid of QS may have made things easier down the line. He'd throw off the CW numbers (unless they threw in Captain Marvel) or would be pushed to be stronger after Fox's smash success. Which fucks up the MCU due to their modest power levels.
>>83722876
Sharon Carter would've fought for Team Cap as the concept art shows.
>>83722876
>but it seems convenient that both companies killed off the character that wasn't the run away hit for them
Fox didn't kill Wanda though. She was just never onscreen. Unless I missed a bit where QS's sisters (excluding the third one in Poland) were both killed.
Because Whedon thinks drama can only be created by killing of major characters. He felt he HAD to kill an Avenger. He couldn't kill of Iron Man, Thor, Cap or Hulk because they were too important and needed for future movies, he couldn't kill off Black Widow or Scarlet Witch because they're women. Killing Hawkeye would be too predictable, everyone would see it coming (get it?). So it was between Pietro and Vision, where Vision had more potential in future movies and Pietro would create more drama as his twin sister he grew up with would lose him and his act could be selfless, while Vision was "just a robot" they just met.
>>83722775
I bet Marvel could use Beast from his Avengers days, but I doubt they would bother.
>>83722958
The short haired Bucky looks good.
>>83722958
So Wanda and QS would have just sat it out? Sounds like the fight would have been even more lopsided.
And why does Sharon get shited on so damn much? Isn't this like the third time her role has been kneecapped?
>>83722978
My mistake. Didn't watch apocalypse and assumed it was Wanda who bit it when they brought up Mag's family being dead.
It really makes no sense for Fox's QS to be QS. They should have made him Northstar
>>83722379
Because he came packaged with Wanda, and Joss likes to kill off characters for drama.
>>83723005
/thread
>>83723005
This, Whedon is retarded and I'm surprised he didn't fuck up the first movie so badly
>>83722775
>but I don't think that's true.
It was corroborated by Whedon, Fiege, and James Gunn, but you just follow your gut, anon.
That's the 4chan way nowadays.
>>83722379
>>83722696
>he had a 3 movies contract
>>83723195
>assumed it was Wanda who bit it when they brought up Mag's family being dead.
It's an easy thing to miss. Wanda is only loosely referenced by QS's mother and younger sister in the Rogue-cut of DOFP. They wanted you to never notice her.
It's better this way anyway. The MCU hardly needs any more characters at this point in the game. He filled his purpose and now he's gone.
In this VERY special episode of Avengers, one of these characters will be HORRIBLY killed....
>>83723769
For real? He didn't even appeared in three movie. Counting his cameo in WS, there's still a movie left for him.
>>83722379
It probably went something like this:
Joss wants to use Ultron.
And if you have Ultron, you have to have Vision.
And if you introduce Vision, you have to introduce Scarlet Witch.
And if you introduce Scarlet Witch, you have to introduce Quicksilver.
Whedon probably got a lot of internal opposition over introducing two characters with shared rights (Marvel *hates* promoting characters with a Fox connection, and refuses to put Wanda or Pietro in most games, merchandise, cartoons etc).
But that probably meant he didn't get any pushback from the studio over wanting to kill off Pietro. He said he had an alternate ending where Pietro lived, but Disney didn't use it. Because they don't care about Fox-affiliated characters.
The only reason they're using Wanda still is that they have so few women in the MCU. But they've got plenty of superpowered dudes.
So basically, he died because he was considered expendable and none of the other heroes were considered expendable. And he was really mostly there because Whedon is a '70s kid and wants to see Vision and Wanda together.
>>83723935
The contract only means that he has to appear in that number of movies if they ask him to. If they don't ask him to, he doesn't have to appear.
>>83722734
Kang isn't this way, but he should absolutely belong to both Fox and Marvel.
>>83723935
Ye, initially he and Elizabeth had a contract for 3 movies
Also this >>83724032
http://desustorage.org/co/search/text/3%20movies%20contract/page/2/
>>83722775
>I once heard that Marvel can use Skrulls but not Super Skrulls, but I don't think that's true
It is true, Feige confirmed it. Both Marvel and Fox can use Skrulls.
>>83724107
I believe the standard contract is that they have the option to use you in a certain number of movies, they don't actually *have* to do it.
So presumably if they wanted ATJ to be in another movie he would have to do it, but it's their option.
>>83723769
>>83722978
Every time Fox introduces a sister for Pietro she seems to be kind of a shout-out to Wanda without actually being her.
So the little sister in DoFP was not Wanda, but she was wearing a tiara. The girl in Apocalypse was not Wanda, but she was a mutant with spooky powers. And a cut scene from DoFP had Pietro saying he has another sister who bothers him.
Fox doesn't seem to want to introduce Wanda (why should they, they have plenty of superpowered women including Jean Grey, who's very similar to Wanda). But they put in little shout-outs.
>>83723998
And now she'll end up having probably one of the most significant roles in the two upcoming Avengers movies. And there's possible demand from fans for a solo movie, assuming Olsen deems it a good enough story to pursue.
>>83723769
They only do that to force actors to come back for X number of movies unless that actor pays a fee.
>>83723769
>>83723935
3 or more is standard. Otherwise if you want to get someone back, you need to negotiate a contract each time - which means the very first time they're going to put their rate up, because they know you need them.
How it works is you're essentially paying them a retainer, then each time they make something for you you pay them the agreed portion of the contract they've signed - so they can't ask for more no matter how big they get in the interim, and you don't get screwed when they're already under contract with someone else and can't meet your filming dates, because going into other projects they're going to let their other employers know they have work lined up with you - so if your movies take off, you've got shotgun.
It's similar with scripting and so on - when you hear about the rights to something being sold, that's a cash payment with the promise of more up to the headline amount, depending on how far the project goes. It doesn't mean that you'd get $10m for your IP just because you nominally sold the rights for that amount - you'd only get the money in full once it entered full production.
If it weren't for this system, FOX couldn't possibly have afforded Jennifer Lawrence in 2013, or Halle Berry in 2003 and 2006; and they can't afford to re-sign JLaw right now what with XMA looking like it's struggling to reach $500m.
Sometimes people will sign longer contracts - 6 pictures, maybe more - if there's scope for the project to go on longer. The benefit of this to the actors (and directors etc) is that they've got the promise of consistent work over a very long period of time, so it frees them up to pursue less profitable but more stimulating projects.
>>83723998
Technically if you want Vision you need Wonder Man first. I wouldn't put too much stock in your theory.
>>83724270
I don't think she will get her own movie. She isn't really a solo character (as her current book is proving, at least to me).
Much more likely, if they last long enough, is a Vision and Scarlet Witch movie. That has more of a precedent in the comics.
Lizzie Olsen's career was pretty much going nowhere before she got the MCU gig (she made crap choices after her success in Martha Marcy May Marlene) so while she gives polite answers to "would you do a solo movie?" questions she's probably just thinking she doesn't want to get killed off.
>>83724543
Ah, but Whedon has said he doesn't like Wonder Man. (Another reason to hate him!)
He did say something in pre-AoU interviews about Wanda and Pietro being part of the Avengers DNA or something. They are very important Avengers, along with Wasp and Hank (who weren't available to him). But when he was reading the comics, Wanda and Vision were in nearly every issue and Pietro didn't appear much. No prizes for guessing which of the three he considered the most expendable.
>>83723706
Sorry I can't fact check everything that gets posted here, Anon.
>>83722379
I thought they killed him off because marvel wanted the movie to have a death, but couldn't bear to part with one of the characters people care about, so the settled for bootleg Flash.
Hey, remember how in Batman V Superman they killed FUCKING SUPERMAN!?
>>83722698
I wonder what Wanda's powers would be in Fox-Men.
>>83724727
That's not only thing Batman v Superman killed.
>>83724543
I haven't seen anything of her's apart from her MCU work and Godzilla. Was everything between Matha Marcy May Marlene and TWS really that bad?
>>83722379
To introduce Scarlet Witch.
>>83724535
>Technically if you want Vision you need Wonder Man first. I wouldn't put too much stock in your theory.
And if you need Wonder Man for Vision you need Pym for Ultron. So yeah, the theory doesn't really hold.
The only exception I can think of is Marvel Adventures where Ultron wasn't created by Pym and Vision was created partly due to Storm.
>>83724543
I think she's just being realistic.
Even the most famous Scarlet Witch stories would fit more an Avengers
>>83723998
>>83724535
>>83725006
I think a better theory mentioned is that Whedon remembers that Vision and Scarlet Witch's relationship was central to the time period of Avengers he'd probably read when he was a kid, as opposed to "I need to use Vision because I have Ultron, etc etc".
>>83724838
>that pic
You think she proudly watched Oldboy with her parents?
>>83725276
Doubtful. Her parents were probably already divorced by the time she became aware and or involved with that project.
>>83722379
Marvel (Whedon) wanted to use the twins, so they had to ask Fox's lawyers if that was okay. Fox said no, but then Marvel got to make their "They were Avengers first," argument and legally Fox could not keep the twins from the MCU.
In response, Fox put Quicksilver in DofP with a little sister in red (who couldn't be his twin but could also be a mutant). Marvel said to Fox, look if you're gonna be a giant bitch and use the characters just because we are then let's each just pick one. That's why Quickslav dies and the X-Men don't get a Wanda/why Phoenix shows up early.
>>83725400
The Olsen's parents are divorced?
>>83725423
20 years ago.
>>83722379
That's kinda Whedon's thing.
Buffy was kinda defined by introducing characters that were built up only to destory them unexpectedly.
>>83725408
>making up shit
>>83723797
>Eric meets this woman while hunting nazis
>pumps and dumps, leaves her with a son
>meets her again years later, gifts her with another child, and fucks off to fight for mutant rights
Swagneto
>>83723998
>Whedon probably got a lot of internal opposition over introducing two characters with shared rights (Marvel *hates* promoting characters with a Fox connection, and refuses to put Wanda or Pietro in most games, merchandise, cartoons etc).
Scarlet Witch does get merchandise though. Sure, not as much as the other MCU characters, but a helluva lot more than Quicksilver does. Last year the comic version of SW had a Marvel Legends released (and since it shared the "Maidens of Might" name with the Captain Marvel figure, it didn't need to reference Quicksilver). This year the MCU version is getting a figure. Quicksilver only got the Hasbro minifig, a Minimate, and the Hot Toys figure. Scarlet Witch got all those, Marvel Legends figures, and Funko Pops.
The issue with putting her in games and cartoons is that if they introduce her, they'll definitely have to introduce Quicksilver and if they introduce Quicksilver they're promoting Fox. Lego Avengers got away with it probably because they were specifically adapting the films.
That reminds me, did the Disney Marvel cartoons kill off characters? I haven't bothered to watch any of them since that first season of USM.
>>83725423
Yep. Don't know how long ago precisely. Long enough that their father remarried and has one or two other kids by his second wife.
>>83725584
Is the little one in here one of those two kids?
>>83722379
Whedon wanted to give the ending more weight. That is seriously it.
It actually has little to do with the rights issue.
Age of Ultron was one big argument between the studios and Whedon. Whedon wanted loads of crap. The studios wanted loads of crap. E.g. Whedon wanted the whole farm situation and the studios hated it. Whedon hated the Infinity Gaunlet plug ins (e.g. with Thor). It ended it some of the worst ideas slipping through.
Whedon steadily was losing control of the project. Some of his ideas were good but a lot were bad. Studio were getting anxious thinking it couldn't top the first one. Whedon decided to give the ending some more weight.
>>83725577
Oh yeah, forgot that QS and SW also had Lego figures for AoU, too.
>>83725566
Wrong, inspite of your nice dubs set.
>Erik meets this woman while hunting nazis
>pumps and dumps, leaves her with twins
>never meets her again and she gets knocked up by some other guy
>>83723935
If there are time shenanigans in Infinity War, they'll likely take advantage of that free movie slot.
>>83725653
So that little girl isn't supposed to be Wanda? My mistake
>>83722379
Whedon built up Hawkeye's death and killed Pietro for the same reason he put BW and Hulk together, he wants twists for the sake of having twists, he said so himself.
I'm glad he's gone.
>>83725632
It's entirely possible, though I can't be certain. Her halfsiblings are named Taylor and Jake. I've heard the name Taylor used as a girl's name a few times. If it's not that, it could be some other relative.
QS died because Whedon is a shitter
>>83725714
Nope, watch the Rogue Cut.
There's a new scene where her mother tells her to go bother her sister, and the little girl says that her sister is the one that bothers her.
>>83725714
>So that little girl isn't supposed to be Wanda?
Nope.
See >>83723797
>It's an easy thing to miss. Wanda is only loosely referenced by QS's mother and younger sister in the Rogue-cut of DOFP. They wanted you to never notice her.
>>83725632
>twins look like 50 year old orcs
>flat as a board
>like 1 feet smaller than Elizabeth
what went wrong
>>83725714
A lot of people make that mistake, but that's because it didn't get clarified until a Bryan Singer interview (he outright confirmed the little girl wasn't Wanda and that he threw in a line about Quicksilver having another sister, that got cut) and then the Rogue Cut, which put the cut line back in.
>>83725777
>>83725790
>>83725816
Ah, thanks
>>83725638
Wanda a qt.
>>83725968
Yes, she is, anon. She is.
>>83726027
>Ultron telling her to get somewhere safe before tearing his heart out
Actually felt bad for him there.
>>83723005
This. Pietro was the easiest to kill because he couldn't kill a big name hero or Black Widow, Hawkeye would be to easy, and Scarlet Witch and Vision have been more popular than him.
>>83724596
>Ah, but Whedon has said he doesn't like Wonder Man. (Another reason to hate him!)
Nobody likes Wonder Man. That's why he's being relegated to easter egg status in the MCU.
>>83726157
>Nobody likes Wonder Man.
B-But... Anon, that hurts.
>>83726027
>Pietro just watching as he gets cucked in front of him
I kind wish they'd explore how she relates to the team. Obviously it'd be retarded for the plot.
>Watches movies with Vision
>Goes to flea-markets with Steve to buy cool old shit
>Sam takes her out to ball-games
>Nat probably taught her how to properly apply makeup
>Rhodey... took her to a flight simulator?
>>83726063
God, Ultron's design was dogshit
>>83722734
Skrulls are owned by both but the Super Skrulls are linked with F4
Madame Hydra/Viper is owned by both but X-men can only call her viper and MCU can only call her Madame Hydra
I'm sure there are a few others but I'd hope they work things out and draw a line in the sand on certain characters
>>83726232
>Rhodey... took her to a flight simulator?
Or they played some walking simulator, maybe
>>83726232
I think she probably only had any meaningful friendships with Vision, Cap and Hawkeye.
>>83726292
Ouch, right in the
Achilles heel
>>83725802
I don't know if they had drug problems but they definitely an eating disorder at some point. A lot of former child stars are a wreck in some way. Hollywood evidently isn't a great place to raise a child.
>>83726292
Well played, Mr. Stank.
>>83726292
CARLOS!
>>83726306
Black Widow probably taught her spy stuff and street smarts like we see in the beginning of CW.
Plus Black Widow can't have kids and gets along really well with the Barton kids, so she's probably got a slight parental/aunt/big sister thing going with SW.
>>83726406
Wonder how old she is considering she's everyone's daughterfu.
19?
20?
>>83724270
Would it be possible to make tighter pants?
>>83726478
Difficult to say. Her age isn't outright stated. Many think she's in her early 20s. Like the 22-24 range.
I, personally, like to go on thinking she's the same age as Olsen (27). At least until Marvel confirms otherwise.
>>83726590
>barefoot
>skirt dress
>slav, so she probably doesn't have underwear
>>83726564
Technically? Probably. But do you want her more uncomfortable than she already may have been?
>>83726658
Didn't she say that it took her like half an hour to put on the entire outfit?
>>83724727
>Hey, remember how in Batman V Superman they killed FUCKING SUPERMAN!?
Because I'm sure everyone believes that's permanent.
>>83726626
>barefoot
>implying thigh-high version isn't superior.
>>83726754
>implying you can't have both
Just give her a leg version of the things she had on her arms in AoU.
>>83726478
Probably not a teenager, old enough to be an Avenger (on Cap's side, Tony doesn't really care about age), probably not older than 28 tops.
Black Widow herself is just 31. I'd say Wanda is probably in her early to mid-20s. Like 20-26, but more likely 20-24 just from how they push her youth.
>>83726590
>assuming actor's age is character's age
That's not how that works. And 27 is too old for the daughterfu.
>>83726706
Don't know. Probably. I only recall her comments about the costume in relation to having to use the toilet since she had to remove most of it to do so.
Maybe next time they won't put her in tight overalls under a bustier and will actually give her a proper pair of pants.
>>83726851
>That's not how that works.
In most cases, you're right. But most of the cast is the same age as their actors. Nat, Clint and Sam are supposedly the same age as their actors. Tony and Rhodey are a like two years younger than Downey Jr. and Cheadle. Steve's probably physically the same age as Evans, though obviously not chronologically.
I don't think I need to say anything about Vision.
>>83726975
>1 year old
>looks like an almost 50 year old
>bald
>his waifu probably hates him
>>83725638
If AoU wanted weight by killing someone off, they could have done Hawkeye. It would have been devastating to see them have to inform his family back home.
>>83726406
Steve taught her spy stuff, Natasha was belittling her reconnaissance skills and Wanda bit back that she can move shit with her mind. They're not very friendly, probably because Wanda reminded Natasha of things she wanted to forget.
>>83727053
>It would have been devastating to see them have to inform his family back home.
Who would've done it? Fury? Nat? Steve? Wanda and Pietro? All of the above?
>>83727053
Whedon was in love with the idea of the fake out. He knew Hawkeye was the most obviously expendable character so he put in all the clichés movies use when signaling that someone is going to die, like having him go for one last job before retirement.
The idea was that the audience would be expecting Hawkeye to die and be surprised when it was Quicksilver.
And to be fair I know a few people who were surprised. They were casual viewers but just genre-savvy enough to notice the death clichés being thrown at Hawkeye.
>>83727299
I was surprised, but not saddened. The writing didn't make me care about the character enough to miss them. Might as well have been an extra, the impact it made.
>>83722379
think it's more Whedon thinks killing someone off is deep sophisticated writing
>>83727299
Yeah, I mean, I hate Whedon but that idea was pretty smart, yet it had the same issue with the Mandarin twist in IM3
They had nothing of value to replace it with
If it wasn't Hawkeye, who else? Who could've given it the same emotional weight as him? That guy who just showed up and has the personality of a plank of wood? Oh yeah, him, let's kill him
Sometimes the best way to tell a story is just playing a cliche straight
>>83726975
>Steve's probably physically the same age as Evans
Evans is 4 years older than Cap.
RDJ is 5 years older than Iron Man.
Cheadle is 4 years older than War Machine.
Stan is 4 years older than Bucky. (Fun fact according to the wiki and google, while Bucky was born before Steve, he got frozen first so Cap is about a year older physically minus Winter Soldier missions).
If Peter Parker is 16 then Holland is 4 years older than Spider-Man.
Sam Jackson is 3 years older than Nick Fury.
Pratt is a year older than Star-Lord.
Ant-Man's age isn't given so eh.
Clark Gregg is 3 years older than Coulson.
So really it's only BW, Hawkeye, Falcon, and Maria Hill that are the same age as their actors and "most" are not. When they're not, the character is usually 4 (but up to 5) years younger than the actor. And 4 to 5 years a pretty big gap when you're in your 20s.
So for the MCU, you're wrong about cast ages. Now that does not prove SW is not 27, but it means there's no strong evidence to support that either.
But here's a bigger issue with your "use the actor's age" idea, Quicksilver's actor is 25. Can't have the twins be twins with a two year age gap.
>>83727140
And by the same token, Black Widow knows what it's like to be used as a weapon so she could identify with, and want to keep that same fate from, Wanda.
Wanda "bit back" to "You guys..." not just to Black Widow.
>>83727476
>RDJ is 5 years older than Iron Man.
Are you going but current ages or the age they were when they were casted?
If the former, would that mean RDJ was three years younger than Iron Man when he did the first movie?
>>83723005
>>83722696
I don't know why they don't just "resurrect" him using some HYDRA or Dr. Strange nonsense.
Whedon can't even follow his own canon, why should we have to suffer too?
>>83727596
I mean, last time they revived someone (Coulson) it really did not go well
I wish they would though
>>83727476
>Now that does not prove SW is not 27, but it means there's no strong evidence to support that either.
I don't disagree.
>But here's a bigger issue with your "use the actor's age" idea, Quicksilver's actor is 25. Can't have the twins be twins with a two year age gap.
Never said my reasoning was perfect. And also, I'm open for the characters' ages be whatever the hell Marvel wants them to be.
I just tend to go with my own thing (however flawed it may be) until certain details are brought to light. If you think I was trying to push them as fact, I apologize. It was not my intent to.
>>83727527
Wanda was clearly feeling underestimated with their rapid fire spy talk since Cap, Falcon and Black Widow had been on this rodeo before, in TWS, and clearly worked as a well oiled team while she was lagging behind.
When Steve was taking her through the baby steps Wanda was eager to listen instead of talk back.
She only got catty after Natasha butted in to speed things up.
In fact in the scene immediately after she takes orders from Cap on managing the gas and securing the perimeter, and works well supporting and taking support from Falcon, but not a word between her and Natasha.
You can believe what you like though, I just feel this sort of thing speaks for itself.
>>83727596
The Civil War people don't seem to care much about what Whedon did. They dropped the weird mind control powers and never mentioned Wanda being from Sokovia or almost anything else that happened in AoU, including Quicksilver's existence.
That means they probably aren't interested in revisiting anything they didn't directly inherit from Whedon.
Plus they don't really need Quicksilver. Fox needs Quicksilver because he's become an unexpected highlight of the X-movies.
Fox doesn't need Wanda because they've already got lots of superwomen, Marvel needs here because they have hardly any.
>>83726347
They had a huge coke problem IIRC.
I actually think the twins are prettier, they just don't have any tits. Also one of them fucked up her face trying to fix the years of drug abuse with botched plastic surgery.
>>83727589
Ages are in comparison between actors' and characters' given birth dates, when they were cast has nothing to do with it.
MCU happens more or less in real time, with any time repeats/skips (Hulk, IM2, Thor are the same week, most of TFA is in the 40s) resolved by the next movie or team-up.
It was more of a 'Welp I gotta kill someone one' thing for Whedon since that's the only way he can write a shocking emotional scene.'
>>83727802
Who cares what they need? I liked Quickslav.
Why did they have to kill Snails?
>>83727802
>and never mentioned Wanda being from Sokovia
Well, not directly but Vision makes her a dish implied to be traditionally from her home to lift her spirits, Steve seems to pick up during the finale that Zemo's from Sokovia from his accent, which Wanda shares. There's a back and forth between Steve and Tony on the fact Wanda isn't native to the US so she can't leave the compound without any papers.
>>83727802
>They dropped the weird mind control powers
She didn't exactly have fun with it first time around. But additional materials imply she still has them.
>and never mentioned Wanda being from Sokovia
They allude to it once or twice. Like when Ross handed the Sokovia Accords book to Wanda first.
>or almost anything else that happened in AoU,
They mention Sokovia an assload of times in CW.
>including Quicksilver's existence.
Clint subtly mentions him.
>'I owe a debt'
>>83727645
>I just tend to go with my own thing (however flawed it may be)
Maybe I caught the tisms, but that just blows my mind. You know your reasoning is fallacious but you use it anyway.
>>83727713
>you can live in your world of delusion, but my views are obvious
So "You guys know I can movie things with my mind, right? is obviously "catty" to you, but the "It's cute," response to Cap asking her to look at the red car is nothing? If you take BW's comment as butting in and therefore a sign of negativity between her and SW, is Cap cutting in after Falcon's comment about paranoia to BW a sign that Cap is chastising Falcon?
I don't think you're entirely wrong, but I think you're only selecting the character interactions that support your idea that BW and SW don't get along while the same or similar interactions aren't used by you for other character relationships. Or tell me I'm wrong about you and the Cap hates Falcon and thinks everyone on his team is annoying except for SW.
>>83728099
>You know your reasoning is fallacious but you use it anyway.
Because it's not a big deal.
>>83728215
And that's why you shouldn't worry about needing an answer if you know it's wrong just for the sake of having an answer, the issue isn't a big enough deal to need a fake answer.
>>83728009
>a dish implied to be traditionally from her home
Technically, it's Hungarian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_paprikash
Would try it with some кoмпoт when I get the chance to make some.
>>83728264
Whatevs, anon.
>>83728099
I think this is way more thought than the filmmakers put into it.
For all we know they just wanted to have BW and SW exchange one line because that way they could say they passed the Bechdel Test.
>>83728099
>tell me I'm wrong
If you insist.
Cap cuts in to bring the team to order. As operations lead that is what he does. Reinterpreting his words and actions would be a good example of fishing, or in this case setting up a precarious straw man.
>>83728332
Did Evans' hairline scare her?
>>83724543
>I don't think she will get her own movie.
Nor do I. I'm not entirely familiar with the character outside of the movies or the cartoons, but I never really got any kind of vibe that she was a solo kind of character. Olsen's gone on record recently that she's open to a solo movie. But as it stands, she seems to be satisfied in a supporting role like Renner is. Which is cool. If she's happy with what she's got, then good for her.
>>83729180
No, she panicked cause' they were gonna fight over a donut.
>>83729230
How is RDJ gonna hurt Evans, with the box his standing in?
>>83729230
She's so cute when pouting:3
>>83727026
Dude so fucking underrated right here
>>83729266
Does it matter? Violence was gonna unfold right in front of her.Joking aside, allegedly Downey Jr. isn't someone to be physically underestimated.
>>83729358
I bet she could beat the shit out of him.
>>83725968
I want to give her a hug.
>>83729358
Yeah, when he gets enraged, he can be dangerous.
>>83725408
Man, if that story is true then Disney should totally just use the twins anyway and make sure they write him better.
>>83730364
I think it was the most convenient for them.
No publicity for Fox QS, plus they get rid of someone so overpowered.
>>83726873
Olsen did not have that much of a problem with her costume, certainly an easier time than Boseman in that Panther costume.
I do think she loves playing Wanda as it enables her to be a big kid and flex her acting chops. Her taste for weirdness works in her favour in Marvel movies.
Wanda is a great character when done right as she has a perfect mix of vast power and intense vulnerability.
I think her costumes neatly reflect her evolution from human to powerful superbeing.
AOU: Civilian
Civil War: Avenger
Infinity War: Witch
I think her IW costume will be much more ornate; closer to Strange's aesthetic.
>>83730651
Everyone seems to have fun making these movies.
>>83730240
all of my keks
>>83727802
I predict Infinity War could well open with a flashback of Wanda and Pietro as kids, showing the parent's death. There may or may not be a reveal.
This establishes the emotion stakes that build in the third act.
>>83730240
>searching for the title with the 4chanX tool it says ''Robert Downey Jr is Offended when Fan Brings in Homemade Captain America Sheild for an Autograph''
>>83730651
Hope we still get to see her in qt dresses.
>>83730240
Who the fuck is he and how comes there is so many videos of him fighting against other people? What the hell?
>>83730949
He's a turkish manlet called Koksal Baba, quite famous, just search it up on google.
>>83730949
He's hilarious, his son is some famous boxer or something
>that video of him riding around in a childrens toy car
gold
>>83728016
I think they will go into this more in Infinity War, given a big part of her arc is her huge journey.
>>83731065
>tfw going back to fearing she might die
>>83723887
STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMOS!
>>83729186
They will either have her be Doctor Strange's apprentice (she's the only Avenger who you can team up with him) or do a Vision & Scarlet Witch movie (though how that would work in the world of the MCU is hard to fathom and would they have the balls to do it).
You can't use Wanda in Panther, Cap, BW, Antman, or GotG, Cap Marvel movies post IW as she would not fit at all in those.
But it is amazing to think how totally, utterly fucked Wanda was just a few years ago; banned from comics, movie rights in limbo. People seem to have forgotten how deep into the grave Bendis buried her.
Feige and the Russos are on the verge of humiliating the comics division by succeeding with Wanda where they fucked up.
>>83731945
Ehh, Vision and Wanda are more fit to be complementary characters.
I don't see them having their own movie.
Then again, the Russos said those two would be huge parts of IW, so they may no need that after all.
>>83724543
Marvel does not have any lead female characters; the ones they do have are all legacy characters.
Most of the writers at Marvel comics don't care for her; she does not fit the policy of female characters being infallible Mary Sues. She's too human and vulnerable for their liking.
Robinson's solo comic is uneven and ignores alot of Wanda's history, bizarrely creates a lame new villain even though Wanda is arguably the only Marvel female to have a compelling nemesis.
Notice how Wanda turned up in alot of comics in April/May? Vision #7 and New Avengers being the most cynical cash ins.
>>83726027
>Wanda will never show a genuine smile
>>83725040
It was always odd how Doctor Strange was so dumb about her powers. Hank Pym had more of a clue, ffs.
He's portrayed as a total fucktard in the Avengers comics (go ahead and have the magic babies, Wanda...then his next baby related fuck up with Victoria Montessi kek)
Odd too how the Vishanti or Eternity didn't try to kill her.
>>83726232
She plays Minecraft with Vision.
>>83732930
>Wanda is actually a NEET
>>83722379
They could have done alot with Pietro.
My bet is he will appear in a childhood flashback and Thanos will revive him to jank Wanda's Chaos Magik.
>>83723081
That's actually not too far from how long his hair was in the movies though.
>>83722379
>Was it a "Fuck You" to FOX and their rights to the X-Men movies?
It's because Whedon is a shit writer, a shit director, and a shit person.
