are indie comics inherently better than big 2 comics because they offer more artistic freedom and don't have to rush to meet a schedule?
is it better to have an artist and a writer, or just one person making a comic?
discuss these questions and many more while we read Michael Deforge's Lose #7
>>83685968
>are indie comics inherently better than big 2 comics because they offer more artistic freedom and don't have to rush to meet a schedule?
No. Good comic is good comic, bad will always be bad, no matter who publishes it.
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>>83686030
You are oversimplifying the matter. DC and Marvel are not just publishers, your Marvel or DC story must adhere to the rules of a fictional universe that is pre-established, editors will also force you to use existing characters with existing histories unless you are already a big name and potentially tell you what stories you can and can't tell.
please fuck off you autistic weeaboo
>>83686139
Yes, if you work for Big 2, there are rules, of course. But working for yourself doesn't mean you'll piss diamonds and shit gold.
>>83686188
of course not, but someone who does have it in them to make great comics will probably make a better one outside of marvel or DC because they don't have to compromise on their vision, they can make whatever they want.
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>>83686273
When was the last time that a superhero-hater invaded a superhero storytime and spammed images?
Why do superhero-lovers think that they have the high ground when invading storytimes and spamming images in them?
I agree that OP is being a jerk, but it seems to me like anyone trying to disrupt the storytime is being a bigger jerk, and /co/ would be better off if you would fuck off.
>>83685968
>is it better to have an artist and a writer, or just one person making a comic?
Artist and a writer
If you have both, you get someone like Brian Lee O'Malley
Good in both, but not amazing.
>>83685968
>are indie comics inherently better than big 2 comics because they offer more artistic freedom and don't have to rush to meet a schedule?
Yes and no. I personally find myself very uninterested with the big two right now because many publishers such as image, Fantagraphics, koyama press, peow, and webcomics offer such a wider variety of interesting stories and art styles. Dog shit can still be made without restrictions though, and gold can also be made within restrictions. Good comics are good comics and bad comics are bad. Doesn't matter where they come from. I will say that one of my issues with big two comics right now though is that most of the current big comics are things I don't see lasting. Jane Thor, Sam Wilson, hydra Steve. It will all revert to the status quo eventually. New characters like Miles Morales, Kamala Khan, Kid Nova, and the young avengers are better characters for taking up pretty existing mantles. I admit I am clueless on DC books.
>is it better to have an artist and a writer, or just one person making a comic?
I like it when it's just one person. If they are a janky writer then I would like them to partner up with someone. Artists moving away from art to writing is something that I usually don't get excited about but still keeps my interest to see how they do . Becky Cloonan is currently doing this as well as Leila Del Duca.
>discuss these questions and many more while we read Michael Deforge's Lose #7
You're cool, OP
>>83686272
You might think that, but some people do better work with more editing and restrictions involved and less self-indulgence.
>>83686482
I would argue you lose something in the communication process, if you google chris ware and have a look at his pages I don't think it would be possible for him to work his style around someone else's story. I also think most writers do not have a good understanding of how to use a page effectively, although there are certainly a handful that do.
>>83686507
I agree that gold can be made within restrictions, but I think that almost everyone who does make gold within Marvel and DC could do even better comics without them. The only writer who sticks in my mind as someone who works better with pre-established rules in their story is Moore.
>>83686570
Is there anything wrong with an artist being self-indulgent? Some of the works of music and literature recognized as the greatest are self indulgent as fuck (e.g. Ulysses, Trout Mask Replica). Robert Crumb is basically known for making self indulgent comics as well, and most of them are great.
>>83686482
>If you have both, you get someone like Brian Lee O'Malley
or Charles Schulz, or Bill Watterson, or Jack Kirby, or George Perez, or Frank Miller, or Osamu Tezuka, Stan Sakai, Carl Barks, Don Rosa etc.
yeah, meh
>>83686482
>All cartoonists are like Brian Lee O'Malley
Okay.
>>83686291
they aren't super heroes, Anon
>>83686632
>Is there anything wrong with an artist being self-indulgent?
Not necessarily, but a lot of modern creators don't have the skill and nuance to truly pull off "self-indulgent" work. Someone like Ales Kot considers himself the second coming of Comic Jesus, but goddamm his work sucks.
>>83686291
OP isn't even being a jerk, he's just asking a question and posting a comic.
Of course big two fans would consider OP a jerk since they don't want to know about any comics aside from Marvel and DC, and he's threatening their sheltered worldview.
>>83686291
just report the posts
>>83686812
as much as ales kot is a great counter example, his non corporate work such as Zero is way way way better than some of the nonsense he has shit out for marvel and the Dead Drop miniseries he did for valiant is regarded as one of the worst things they have ever published.
>>83686602
> but I think that almost everyone who does make gold within Marvel and DC could do even better comics without them
Ehhh, it all depends as well. I mostly have this line of thinking when I see Marvel and DC artists drawing shit that isn't big two capes. Writers not so much and the reason for that is that I've seen writers who do plenty of both licensed big two comics and independent work and see that they have written good works and bad works on both sides.
In the end it's all subjective if you are knowledgeable enough on comics. Unfortunately /co/ is mostly dudes like this >>83686482
>>83686030 Is right. You said he oversimplified it but that's the correct answer. There is no better, just what you prefer.
Pretty sure this is just a moron trying to keep RWBY off /co/ by spamming it everywhere in hopes it doesn't come back from hiatus
Idk how /co/ feels about Saga but it's kinda my favorite running comic right now.
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I haven't read it in a long while. Been meaning to see if they drop another fat hardcover to catch up. Last I read was Marko meeting with Prince Robot once Dengo took the rocket ship.
I keep hearing that it's kind of petering out and has no real direction though but I'd argue it had no direction from the get go. Doesn't make it bad though.
>>83686931
Maybe I'm wrong about this, but I've noticed that the big 2 writers who have a patchy record with creator own comics are never the writers anyone considers to be 'the best' of Marvel or DC, they're always just the above average ones who did a couple of good runs (often they were carried to some extent by a very talented artist as well). People like Rucka or Pak who are decent but will probably never make anyone's list of greatest marvel and dc writers of all time.
>>83687015
It's sort of... the humor is really horrible. And there is a lot of it. BKV has kind of lost his mind or something.
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These are the people responsible for spamming the theeads
>>83687061
Remender and Gillen come to mind.
Remender for Uncanny X-Force and Venom, Gillen for Journey into Mystery. Those books had extremely strong fan followings. As for their creator owned work, I can't say any of it is really trash but I don't care for some of what Remender has put out under Image like Black Science or Low but Deadly Class is probably the best thing Remender has ever written. I enjoy hipster trash like Phonogram and Wic+Div I know it's considered to be the worst by many other people's standards.
>>83687061
I dunno if Rucka is the best example, he has a pretty good track record with creator-owned stuff. Queen & Country and Lazarus are pretty well-liked. I'm not a big fan of Q&C personally but yeah.
>>83687120
We're not, actually. There was a guy that spammed the /co/ threads with these as well and pissed us off plenty
I'm lurking to find out what the fuck's going on
>>83685968
Man, you need to expand your horizon.
The big two are tiny - look at all the many comicbook publishers around the world and see for yourself.
>>83687546
What.
>janitor monitors win o thread obsessively for harmless off topic posts
>meanwhile he ignores a spammer for two hours
MODS ARE GODS
Bump now that the spam is gone
Thank fuck
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Is this a cuck fantasy
