I know, I know, but I can't get it out of my system.
This whole debacle, it feels it has come down to this comic book issue of mockingbird.
>>83656482
bump
I will bump all night if I have to but I need this put to rest and /co/ out of all the boards seems to keep its head out of its ass the most with this shit, and have a calm rational discussion. Some times...
>>83656482
Now how is it that this narritive of Victimizing ever get past the editors?
At what point do rational people say this is all hippocritical nonsese?
It felt like (possibly unintended) parody, the schizophrenic and frequently over-the-top tone coupled with more subtle bits like complaining about the lack of female heroes while everything is plastered in female hero merchandise (including the lunchbox in the flashback where it starts) and exclaiming "Hah, just kidding, it's still bad" while lounging in her elaborate secret underwater laboratory.
>>83656609
you mean this one.
So you don't take it seriously, but you think the writer was serious?
>>83656609
>just kidding it's still bad
is it me? Or these young women who believe this really comparing what women went through in the past, who had less rights and less access to education. Then putting what they experienced today as same horrible form of injustice?
>>83656512
>/co/ out of all the boards seems to keep its head out of its ass the most with this shit, and have a calm rational discussion
>>83656721
you know it's true
>>83656628
This has to be satire right...right?!
>>83656482
Lmao, even her shirt says 'girl power', didn't even notice the first time around. This comic is just trying way too much and honesty if I hadn't seen the retardation of feminism in these last couple of years than I would assume it was satire.
>>83656765
I highly doubt it, the author is a legit feminist and they tend to force their views rather bluntly.
See:
>>83656776
>>83656765
no, I'm sure there are sain women who would think that it's a satire.
>>83656776
this is the proud tweets of the writer
>>83656776
>they were short changed in the 1970s
in what way were they?
>>83656797
>protagonist kills a innocent looking SWAT trooper trying to help her while bitching about tampons
>this is suppose to be worth celebrating
>gets praise from readers
3rd Wave Feminism was a mistake.
>>83656482
>advertising shitty comics
if it's shit, never talk about it
>>83656482
#Currentyearcomics
So do you guys think this decade will be known as Marvel pandering to progressives much like how the 90s are known as edgy? Perhaps it'll never stop and they will be their noew core-audience.
>>83656865
Aren't we in like the 4th wave or something? Or is that still to be determined?
>>83656776
>>83656776
>>83656776
how do these people even get a job at marvel?Jesus
>>83656873
>their noew core-audience.
And that was the day comics died
SJW dont buy shit, that would be supporting capitalism.
>>83656873
Will anything top this?
>>83656873
I wouldn't be surprised if this ends up known as the decade comics, at least the big two anyway, ended/canceled and movies replaced them.
>>83656886
I'd agree it's 4th wave, given what I've heard of 3rd pre-SJW.
>>83656886
Nope we're in third wave.
>>83656482
>live in a culture than still can't talk about tampons.
But that's wrong or does america doesn't have tampon ad and thing like that ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuBPLNfbjZc
Anyway women talking about their period is like guys talking about the big shit they took in the morning,
>>83656886
I'm still confused on what wave, I thought we were in third wave but there are anons who make the case it's the 4th.
>>83656890
I mean the new Thor is selling decently isn't it? At least some will spend dough on comics. What's OG-Thor even up to?
>>83656908
Don't be sexist, anon. It's a huge issues for oppressed women all over the western world.
>>83656873
that can't be true though since the writers constantly get tweets telling them to stop writing. It's like marvel doesn't want to be considered mysoginistic, so they hire women despite having no experience.
>>83656917
I dunno, decent is the best selling female super hero? even then it's not selling as much as their male counter parts.
>>83656908
Perfect example really. Hell, I'd probably feel more comfortable having to converse about a woman bleeding right now than about the big shit someone took. More conversation options like sympathy can be played rather than just simple sarcastic "nice..."
>>83656482
So what exactly is there to talk about regarding tampons?
>>83656951
well you know we only talk about to gross eachother out, it's like chicken, buy with poop
>>83656951
>sympathy
I have never had a woman respond well to sympathy on her period, other then one. And she is a special case.
>>83656961
it doesn't say
>>83656482
>>83656917
last I checked it was like the 6th best selling comic out of roughly four hundred
>>83656961
Luxury tax apparently.
But free-bleeders sort dug that grave for them.
>>83656935
So what really are they after?
If a co-worker tells me they're on the rag should I provide sympathy? Or is that chauvinistic and sexist? Do they want to treat it like a gross dudebro thing and high five them for being a bloody mess between their thighs?
>>83656961
You just need to talk about, okay. Also sonmething about it being taxed like toliet paper or something.
>>83656951
the sympathy part is constantly misconstrued into something else. There is nothing that makes them feel better, so trying to do so just makes them mad even more.
>>83656765
The artist does appear to be doing an unreliable narrator thing but given >>83656776 I think anything that appears to be deep or like there's a "thing" happening is purely by accident.
Kinda like a Dave Willis comic where he gives characters really sympathetic backstories but his intent is for them to be a 100% pure evil strawman for you to hate.
>>83656993
If you have an opinion on tampons they don't like your mansplaining, so you're pigeonholed into agreeing with them. Better feel the room and just nod when asked.
>>83656975
>mansplaining
ok he was being a creep in this one, but mansplaining doesn't make sense in this context.
>>83656961
Well for starters, asking if I can lick it up after they're nice and bloody.
>>83656993
just ignore them, act like normal, if they snap continue to act normal and don't talk about their behavior. Many women can act and behave normally on their period, there are others who just can't control themselves.
>>83656873
Even DC is doing it now.
Someone post mansplaining Wonder Woman.
>>83657026
I guess only Trump can get away with equating moodiness to menstruation.
>>83657039
I heard that writer was canned
don't know for sure though.
>>83657044
not really, people bitch about what he says all the time, he just doesn't give a fuck.
>>83657039
I got you, senpai.
>>83657011
Mansplaining is a man acting like he knows better than a woman (when he doesn't) in a condescending or smug way.
So yes it absolutely makes sense in context.
>>83657064
No, I mean if a woman got angry about you and you said she was only angry because she had blood coming out of her wherever you'd get screamed at.
>it's a '/co/ only advertises books they hate' thread
this is why good writing doesn't sell.
>>83657075
oh, I thought it was explaining their place in society.
Saying a girl should go alone is just being protective.
>>83657094
I highly doubt anybody in here is gonna buy this comic.
>>83656988
While I'd probably wouldn't mind trying to eat out a bloody vagina at least once, the idea of free-bleeding is off putting just because it ruins perfectly good clothing with blood stains.
Why bother with the added burden of removing blood stains or dealing with brown dry blood splotches on clothes?
>>83657095
It gets twisted, sometimes it means being talked down to, but I've seen other people say it means stating something in too simplistic a way because you assume the other person would understand if they were a man.
>>83657080
I undersrand, stay calm and collective, give 3 seconds of silence and say would you like time alone?
leave then act like nothing happened and if you are lucky and the girl is a good person, then she will apologize for snapping at you.
>>83656482
Why'd she murder that SWAT guy? She a villain?
>>83657075
If this is the correct definition, then how the hell have I never heard of "womansplaining"?
>>83657075
i thought mansplaining is when a man makes sense and women cant handle their logic
>>83657075
Yeah its not as cut and paste as womandriving.
>>83657075
>>83657122
>>83657132
Is the opposite of mansplaining "womanswering"?
>>83657129
Tampons, bro. Absorbent fibers in the vagina for the purposes of soaking up discarded uterine lining.
Can I make it any more obvious?
>>83657129
She is a strong independent young woman of possible ethnic background.
>>83657122
but being talked down too can be easily misconstrued. There are times where some one just says something and a bitch snaps at them saying they are mansplaining. Or even a simple correction, it's like everyone's ego is so paper thin.
>>83657151
Women are always right, so there's no need for such a phrase.
>>83657132
It already has a term, nagging. It's been around for about 10,000 years.
>>83657154
>>83657160
No really. Why's she kill a SWAT officer?
>>83657132
Same reason why you don't hear jokes about "male drivers". It's a stereotype that men will mansplain things. Just like it's a stereotype that women are bad drivers.They're both true but over exaggerated
>>83657175
>gender neutral term
Bitch, I've been nagged by more men in my life then women.
>>83657129
it's actually because the cop was treating her like a child by giving her a juice box. I've noticed that young girls don't like being considered a child and when they are on their period for the first time all kinds of anger and emotions flood in that only women could truly understand.
>>83657165
Lots of people have chips on their shoulders. I knew a guy that didn't go to college who got hugely buttmad whenever my university classes came up in conversation because he felt like I was acting superior to him.
>>83657198
So did the rest of the SWAT team mow her down in bullets?
>>83657203
Now have that friend of yours be a new wave feminist, and they will say you are mansplaining. Most if not all of these new feminists have huge chips on their shoulders.
>>83657171
>>83657137
>Men have been calling women "nags" for ages
>Women come up with a word for the male version of nagging
>Men's egos are so fragile they immediately get mad whenever the term is used, even if it's used correctly.
Literally cannot handle the bantz.
>>83657176
She asked for tampons and he gave her a juice box to calm her down.
>>83657217
no she kills a dude in a helicopter, and kills a a reporter and other cops by draining the color from them.
>>83657217
We can only hope, thinking about the concept of killing someone over being treated like a child has made me legitimately mad now.
>>83656873
Do you think we'll eventually get a Kingdom Come for this generation and have a comic about Captain America fighting off self-entitled third-wave feminists and their mindless horde of nu male henchman?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOXh5repOWI
I always find it ironic that feminists champion neutral language when it pertains to words which describe women's behavior, but often use words such a mansplain without a second's thought.
Remember 'Ban Bossy'?
Now does the thing mansplaining describe happen? Yes, but then why shouldn't we be allowed to craft words such as:
Womoaning: the tendency of women to complain loudly about minor issues, often issues that don't even really exist.
Femnagging: a common behavior among women during which they annoy men by constantly harping about some small problem.
Bitchwording: the tendency of women to invent sexist words in order to lump blame and shame upon men.
Without being labelled as sexists?
>>83657227
>make up word
>say its bantz
Guess I know some five year olds that are real fire.
>>83657235
What superhero put her down then? Or is the whole comic just some villain running amok?
>>83657227
I believe it's because it's sexist to use nagging now, and when used you get your balls chopped off.
>>83657227
Maybe that one faggot. Any woman who actually uses the word mansplain in public basically will get automatically tuned out for revealing themselves to be a feminazi.
>>83657227
More annoyed at the double-standards of people who claim to be for equality.
>>83657229
she never asked for tampons
>>83657227
They're not the same, nagging means annoying or complaining to someone, taking from the Scandinavian dialect Ganga (to bite or gnaw). And it's not exclusive to women.
Mansplaining means a man said something in a way I don't like that a woman would have said better.
>>83657249
since when is this not considered sexist?
>>83657277
Did you forget that men need to psychically know what a woman wants at all times?
>>83657259
the comic is about mockingbird, who is a shield agent, she has gadgets like batman. This girl is some random power user.
>>83656628
>I'm not fat, I'm big boned
That's the oldest excuse in the book.
>>83657293
That's only with the crazy women, that's why that cop died.
>>83657068
That line is too hilarious to dislike
>>83657319
>(You)
>>83657319
>le_bait_fish.jpg
1/10 made me reply sarcastically.
>>83657318
so is the patriarchy is holding women down.
>>83657319
This has nothing to do with MRA.
This about common sense, and with this book, the lack there of.
>>83657292
Since they changed the definition of the word, silly.
>>83657324
>Mansplaining equals truth
>>83657319
>Master Baiter
>>83656886
What signifies a new wave? I'd like to think it's every time they completely change their mind on sexual liberation again.
>>83657338
oh of course, wait who changed the definition? plus I had no idea those were even words.
>>83657350
Over privilaged white females and males complain over other whites privilages.
>>83657242
That would be genuinely glorious.
Maybe have a huge, apocalyptic villain be coming to destroy Earth and the nu-heroes just waste all their prep-time complaining about patriarchy in super-teams and questioning whether humanity wanting to stop this villain is just fear of "the other" while all the old geezer heroes have to take the guy on themselves under the criticism of the Social Justice heroes.
>>83657350
From what I recall, it's based on when their demands change.
>First Wave: Women's Sufferage
>Second Wave: Sexual Liberation
>Third Wave: Female depiction in popular culture (?)
Actually not really sure what 3rd wavers want despite seeing their bitching everywhere nowadays.
>>83657350
Feminism always swings between sex negative and sex positive.
>>83657277
I think the narration boxes were meant to imply that the girl did not feel comfortable enough to ask for tampons.
>>83657386
>Actually not really sure what 3rd wavers want despite seeing their bitching everywhere nowadays.
Absolutely anything and everything to avoid talking about how women are treated in the Middle East or in third world countries.
in b4 "YOU CAN CARE ABOUT MORE THAN ONE THING AT A TIME...JUST BECAUSE WE NEVER TALK ABOUT THE MORE SERIOUS PROBLEM DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T CARE. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE AREN'T TITTIES IN COMICS AND GAMES FIRST!"
>>83656482
>a fucking family man dies, because he didn't get her feminist views
Lol.
>>83657380
Social justice heroes expect everything to be done for them, because they shouldn't have too. Villian says mean things, social justice heroes beg for veteran heroes to help, and they say.... no.
>>83656482
She didn't kill him, he was shown being saved by Mockingbird in the very next panel.
The thing that kills me is that having a feminist theme isn't all that hard, so why are these writers so heavy handed and clunky?
Bizarre.
>>83657350
I always saw it as the point where a new generation tells an old generation they're not going far enough or there's something they're not addressing , while belittling any work they have done.
>>83657399
yes, and the juice box is for a child and she kills the guy over a fucking juice box. So she's not comfortable talking about tampons but ok killing people who offer her a juice box is hope to help her out.
>>83656482
>a culture that still can't talk about tampons
Is this a Christian thing or something?
>>83657414
Well shit, that's one bit of good news. Congrats on the comic, I may not give a shit about the main characters, the comic, or women problems but it made me care about a fictional SWAT officer who seemed to be a decent enough person.
>>83657417
because the current wave feminists have to have things handed to them with minimal effort.
>>83657417
They're looking to attract what's percieved as a large audience while scoring credibility points from society, but they're mistaking sound volume for physical volume.
>>83657406
Don't forget about manspreading. A crime if ever there were one.
>>83657437
no its the delusions of a feminist writer with little world experience. Most Feminists are.
>>83657459
Ah yes, the biggest scourge against women today - men sitting with their legs slightly apart on public transportation.
>>83657437
It shouldn't be, Christianity did away with the whole Jewish thing of "Menstruating women need to be locked up in the house until they stop bleeding unclean blood."
Along with not being allowed to eat sweet pork and shellfish and having to have your foreskin cut off.
>>83657112
talking is advertising, is relevance
even bitching about it is inflating the presence is has in digital discussion, which gets bystanders interested, because google tracks everything
>>83657417
Feminists are not known for being subtle in their message.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH_ZryBfCtU
>>83657472
It's a real problem in Scottland, you know.
>>83657487
that and peeing on the toilet seat
>>83657459
Too bad Anita Sarkessias call to have women manspread didn't catch on.
>no full view of women's cameltoe crotches
;_;
>>83657487
If only it could be solved by something simple like asking the guy to scoot over.
If only we lived in such a world.
But now we can only dream.
We can only dream.
>>83657412
Maybe the SJHeroes response team to deal with the villain is crap because they chose the line-up based on diversity rather than ability.
>>83657496
camel toe walk
oh that would have been hilarious
>>83657496
It would have taken a step further into exclusion cubes becoming a regular thing.
>>83657508
The progressive stack!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCwhlZtHhWs
>>83657508
SPIDERMAN
THE NOT WHITE ONE
TAKE ON GALACTUS! USE YOUR DEVERSITY TO BEAT HIM!
>>83657503
asking is giving away power, giving power to the man! No woman should be asked to have courage like that!
>>83657508
That's what I was thinking too.
>white guy is a hero that counters the villain hard
>They have a minority hero who is at a disadvantage fight the villain because it's the progressive thing to do
>white guy isn't allowed to come to his aid because blah blah white man's burden
>hero dies
>they blame whitey
>>83657532
Galactus is a good guy these days
>>83657561
right because pigsquirl girl did something useless and won right.
>>83657524
>What matters is not the merit of your ideas, but your identity
Just fuck my shit up. This shit is a fucking disease.
>>83657508
>>83657553
This honestly sounds like it could be a legitimate book in a few years time.
>>83657553
That's not even satire at that point. That's literally the kind of shit that's happening right now.
Fucking Canada refusing help from the States and Russia to fight that forest fire, fly in a bunch of black South African firefighters instead and now they're on strike for low wages.
>>83657417
You can even drop some clunkers if you've got a sufficiently engaging story, good art or even just a determination to take it as far as you can into crazytown.
In Slaine (and Nemesis/ABC Warriors, to a lesser extent) Pat Mills constantly went off on one about the importance of female power and the brutish, controlling stupidity of patriarchs and few people give a shit because it also awesome
>>83657589
IIRC, The Boys has a pretty good critique of masculinity in the bit where Butcher goes back to Ireland as well.
Tbh Fury Road was alright about it too.
You can do feminist and even anti-masculine themes well (I think you can do literally any message well), its just that for some reason 99% of feminist writers these days seem incapable of using any tact, subtlety, or even logic. It all just feels like textual shouting.
>>83657588
Hah. Why am I not surprised that "diversity" in this case is code for "cheap foreign labour"?
>>83657644
It always is with government. It amazes me that people think politicians like Merkel or Clinton actually care about diversity beyond its practical application as a way to keep the working class divided.
I'm pretty far from being a Marxist and even I can see that bringing in loads of "diversity hires" is a way to subdue the proletariat by introducing competition for them that will work for peanuts and doesn't know how to work against the authority of the rich.
>>83657640
it's because of their egos. They want to be the ones that bring about change. Feminists usually have over inflatable egoes.
>>83657588
Canada is the Sweden of the english speaking world.
>>83657710
And Le 2015 Weedman couldn't even deliver the weed.
So anons when will the pendulum swing back? President Trump, a right wing Europe, or will it merely continue until there are no borders and you're not allow to speak your mind unless you want to end up in prison?
>>83657710
Its not that bad here, but we are getting into the dangerous territory of being terrified of expressing any viewpoint that could be construed as right-wing.
The previous Conservative government made some huge mistakes and we threw the baby out with the bathwater in getting rid of them. They had great plans to finally get the natives integrated into society and to control immigration, but their crap scientific and economic policies turned everyone against all of their projects.
The one thing we do still have going for us is a fairly rigid immigration process. Unless you're American or British, its pretty difficult to get Canadian citizenship. Trudeau looks like he's going to screw that up though.
>>83657736
If Hilary gets elected we're gonna to get a much, much worse version of Trump after her first term.
And not just in a "He's like Hitler!" meme way the media is pushing, but someone who legitimately calls for violence.
>>83657729
Sad.
Don't forget.
>If you kill your enemies, they win.
Also heard the dude is doing ramadan, but then again that might just be /pol/, though I honestly can't tell nowadays.
>>83657239
>Dr light rapes a woman
Hey it's just a villain being evil who cares?
>girl kills some people for silly petty reasons
IM SO FUCKIN MAD IM TIRED OF THESE DAMN WIMMEN!!
>>83657736
The part that bothers me most about this page is panel 3 which reads, "Do they push them back and enforce the borders as is our Sovereign Duty?" should be "Do they push them back and enforce the borders as is their sovereign duty?"
>>83657765
Nah Trudeau has genuinely spent 90% of his term so far pandering to minorities. Literally a college liberal given the reigns of an entire country.
>>83657736
th pendulum is already swinging back. Austria came VERY close to electing a right-wing government recently.
and Trump WILL be president. mark my words.
>>83657776
>>Dr light rapes a woman
Nigga nobody liked that.
Nobody. It was fucking stupid, unnecessary, and universally hated.
>>83657765
>If you kill your enemies, they win
what the fuck
>>83657293
If you really cared, you'd already know.:^)
>>83657802
He actually said that, yes.
>>83657776
But people did find the rape tasteless and the story as a whole retarded.
>>83657736
Its already swinging back. Some places (like Canada or parts of the US) haven't felt the negative effects of suicidal leftism strongly enough to snap yet, but most of the Western world has clearly reached the breaking point.
There are going to be Trumps elected all over the first world in the next little while and its going to be glorious. I'm not one of those people who thinks the guy is a gift from god (in fact I'm really against some of his stances), but I think a strong nationalist leader that values the people of his own country over all others is what America needs right now.
I just wish we could get a good right-wing leader here in Canada. Harper was a joke and SJW-Trudeau (who has a few vaguely classical liberal views that I appreciate) was genuinely the best choice we were offered in the last election, which is pretty tragic.
>>83657075
We already have a word for that: condescension
I'm sorry that women have become so insecure towards men that they have to create a pronoun-addled word just to relax their PTSD symptoms and feel superior during discourse. Lmao
>>83657496
Of course it didn't. If women womanspread there wouldn't be room on the seats beside them for their bags
>>83656482
[UNSOLICITED OPINIONS ON TAMPONS?]
>>83657802
It is a moral victory. They don't enjoy it much, being dead and all.
>>83657794
>>83657813
It popped up in a thread the other day and people we're flabbergasted at the outrage.
Literaly "oh what so now an evil guy isn't allowed to do evil things"
>>83657857
>mansplaining the word mansplaining
you are just a walking caricature, aren't you
>>83657736
I absolutley hate that right after this admirable good speech the next step in the plan is suicide bombing a train. It makes no god damn sense and is clearlt just away to distrract from the fact that Red Skull is actually making good points that are never adressed.
>>83657891
>complain about a word used to invalidate whatever you say
>word gets used to invalidate it
Every time.
>>83657891
>Giving your perspective on anything is mansplaining as long as I don't like it
>>83657640Bit of an irony that your examples and mine were written by men.
I'm honestly not sure what to make of it. For some writers it seems to be a need to put the Message front and centre and turn it into a didactic teaching moment. Combine that with the fairly slow pace of a lot of American comic issues and you get these long, preachy episodes that nobody really responds to well. Didactic works are really hard to write well in a non-patronising way. Some writers have the best of intentions, but just aren't very good and it just comes across as hamfisted, or they just don't have the writing or life experience to do something compelling with the concepts they have. Mills, Ennis, and the Fury Road team were all experienced writers who also had a wealth of life experience to draw on. These people need knowledgeable, sympathetic but firm editors more than anything (not uncommon problem across the industry, God knows there's some big names that could do with a good editor a lot of the time). There's also a contingent that just aren't very good and some that don't put the effort in that they should for whatever reason, same as there always is. Its difficult to tell who is who though, because why engage with something terrible on the off chance it might get better later?
>>83657891
Always the resort of infants to infantilise.
>>83656886
feminism is no longer in waves, and anybody who says that is a retarded sjw who only learns about feminism through infographic shit on tumblr.
Feminism is an ideological standpoint, a term which represents equal rights between all genders. The radicalists who go around purporting to be 'new wave' feminists and screaming nonsensical buzzwords are generally first year arts students and teenage girls who have only been exposed to a small amount of the contemporary feminist oeuvre.
Now, feminism is another word for the internet warrior, who thinks embedded social norms can be changed through meaningless protests and stupid hashtag "movement" garbage. It disgusts me how an important facet of academia has been misrepresented by people with limited knowledge and an ultimately shallow understanding of how something as complex as social behavior and language adapts to the cultural environment.
Of course, no one in academia actually cares much about the constant bickering on the internet between children and idiots. All of this drama that we fucking feed off will be irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. The shit about SJWs and comic books and video games that people on 4chan "discuss" is so incredibly unimportant, that sometimes I hate myself for participating in it.
>>83657907
for fucks sakes, actually look into hitler's rise to power. he did the same shit. reasonable speeches used to recruit extremists into doing his dirty work
and when the initial dirty work was done, all those followers were taken out back and executed via firing squad because they were too rebellious to be trusted compared to the new wave of followers
>>83657917
>my perspective on things I don't experience is always more relevant than the perspective of people who do experience it
>>83657936
lemme guess, you're 27 and thing you're an actual adult
>>83657891
I think you're just cuntfused.
>>83656482
What always gets me about this book is that several innocent people die and the main hero doesn't care even one bit because tampons and girl power.
A lot of this shit in modern comics is dumb, but this is just downright sociopathic.
>>83657958
go back to tumblr
>>83657974
reminds me of silver age comics really
>>83657939
This shit is being discussed on all manner of website.
Shit does matter. If you change one person's opinion for the better, you are turning the tide against the opposition. And this can change general public opinion since those people may then influence others irl. A cascade of changed sentiment. And besides even if it doesn't, this site is a great way to vent and scratch that adversarial itch.
Stop being a little bitch that you need to take seriously everything.
>>83657958
People can get away with the most ridiculous claims with 'You don't experience it, it's invisible to you.'
>>83657968
>more infantilising
Epic
>>83657996
You could actually try discussing or arguing the validity of the term mansplaining instant of being passive aggressive.
>>83657992
Homer Simpson did it and he almost got away with it.
>>83657939
>nobody in academia cares about this stuff
Academia is a nebulous concept, they can create their own fields and academia and in fact have done so.
All that's left is shaming people into treating it seriously.
>>83657939
>Feminism is an ideological standpoint, a term which represents equal rights between all genders. The radicalists who go around purporting to be 'new wave' feminists and screaming nonsensical buzzwords are generally first year arts students and teenage girls who have only been exposed to a small amount of the contemporary feminist oeuvre.
You do know they learn this in universities, right? Academy feminism teaches racism and sexism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29DXo6gecCI
Disregard that the cameraman might be a slight douce and listen to what is being taught in the class.
*1:45
>we are not interested in being silenced, right? So we recognize that. One of the ways we center whiteness is that you're silenced by it.
*4:23
>Yeah, so here is my thinking. Here's my thinking... I kinda see this as an attractable conflict, so you do what you wanna do and I have a job to do over here and what matter to me more than someone being disruptive, is that you all engage in what is feminism and how has whiteness, how has whiteness limited the work of feminism.
>>83657588
Why would you fly in firefighters from South Africa? The USA is right next door. You wouldn't even need to fly in American firefighters, they could just walk to Canada.
>>83657958
If you experience mansplaining as it is semantically defined by you (despite its nebulous defintion due to it being a neologism), then that makes you a woman.
Are you on your period right now? Did this comic trigger you because we didn't discuss tampons in a safe manner that doesn't trigger your feminine PTSD flashbacks of the time you hit menarche during 6th grade gym class?
>>83656482
tampons again? did they hire that DA dude that want to become one?
>>83658036
Because they're black.
>>83656892
reminds me when the 90's had a villain called "the chauvinist".I just hope the fad dies again as fast as it did in those days.
>>83658009
I did. I said it was invalid because better and even gender neutral words exist, and I even have an example.
Introducing a gender-specific word is sexist and belittling. Isn't that against all for which you stand?
And it's telling that you immediately assumed me to be make just because I disagreed with you. Lmao you really are fucking pathetic.
>>83657075
>(when he doesn't)
highly subjective. People calls out mansplaining just becaue their boss scold them for being late at work these days. It deflect all fault to "you just hate that I'm a girl" which is dumb and should never be validated in any situation.
>>83657907
That may have been the point - its to show how even reasonable people can be taken in by rhetoric that contains elements of truth but through that get taken on a ride to a crazy extreme. That's basic Fascist Dictator Analogue #101. Its a horribly unsubtle bit of commentary though, because it makes too big a leap from speech to lunatic action. There's no other efforts to convince, no little compromises over time, just straight to the murder suicide cult.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aYN5XpWzpM
>>83658040
>must be a woman on her period
classic chauvinist :/\^
>>83658031
>community college
even though I don't respect much of what those people are saying, I feel as though you might be taking the lecture out of context. Whiteness is not as sexism towards white people, but rather as the normative stance which disallows discussion beyond it. It's not about discrimination towards white people, but rather the way western society treats white people as the norm.
People who misunderstand this sort of basic sociological idea could be racist and sexist, that's true, but the onus is on uneducated students, not the educator. Unless the educator is misunderstanding the concept too, then we're all fucked.
>>83658036
I could be wrong here but he wanted to keep it the hands of their government and they had a pre-existing loan and training program with South Africa so this was just them using something they already had in place. I guess.
>>83658097
'racism towards white people, not sexism
shit
>>83658115
racism is racism, why is this so hard to understand? It's just an excuse for people to be racists and think it's ok
>>83658097
>but the onus is on uneducated students, not the educator. Unless the educator is misunderstanding the concept too, then we're all fucked.
We are fucked beyound belief.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Brqo0vSNE
>>83658097
>western society treats white people as the norm.
The majority of western society is white.
You don't go to India and tell the Indians they need to feel bad about being Indian. Or Japan. Or literally any African or South American Nation. Or the Middle East.
>>83658097
>the way western society treats white people as the norm.
they are still the majority in the west though. So yeah, they are "normal" by the definition of normalcy.
>>83658090
>is a woman on her period
Lmfao
>>83658169
>The majority of western society is white.
by a small margin that grows smaller every year
>>83658194
And that means it's okay to hate them and blame them for everything wrong in the world.
But it's not racism because we changed the definition.
>>83658194
And the change is exponential
>>83658194
Nice fantasies you have there.
>>83658140
You catch on quickly, Anon. It's all about stacking the deck by redefining words to serve you.
She's right. SHE'S RIGHT! You white heterosexual males are disgusting, when I'll have my 12 years old daughter or son (daughter) spitting blood out of her vagina, I'll be like: "better insert TAMPON into your vagina, do you want me to help you to insert TAMPON? What brand of TAMPON you like? Can you describe how you feel when you insert that brand of TAMPONS, I would very like to know!"
>>83658194
is Western society only America? Even with the migrant crisis in Europe many countries are 90%+ white, even self hating Sweden.
>>83658216
Remove tampon
[accordion playing intensifies]
>>83658169
>>83658173
whilst they are the majority, the issue is that there is often no way of understanding the viewpoint of people outside of the norm. Because you're constantly talking from the normative perspective, you automatically view the non-white people as 'them', which is problematic when discussing how to approach race from legal and sociological point of view.
>>83658194
that's totally irrelevant. If America is suddenly filled with black people, then blacks become normative and you'd have to worry about how to discuss whites.
>>83658140
I was just correcting an error man, relax.
>>83658169
>Indian is a race
>>83658234
well yeah I know, just wanted to point that too
>>83658097
Should asian countries also be castrated for being majority asian?
>>83658234
>you automatically view the non-white people as 'them', which is problematic when discussing how to approach race from legal and sociological point of view.
But then you get into the problem of the non-white people viewing the white people as "them" and ignoring their perspective on things.
>>83658246
No one is castrating whites, anon. Maybe tumblr is castrating white men, but that's due to misunderstanding basic sociological principles.
>>83658234
>>83658018
Science still laughs psychology out of the building.
This social whatever is going to have an entirely different set of definitions and concepts in ten years time, it may gain traction in becoming its own circlejerk but the most serious and experienced parts of academia will never accept it until it gets its shit together.
>>83658247
Whitey is gonna pay.
>>83658259
>No one is castrating whites, anon.
Where the fuck have you been? The entire mainstream media and academia is about castrating whites.
Fuck it. This is 4chan. I'm gonna say it.
None of this would be an issue if you white guys could control your women
>>83658247
We're treading deeper into academic discussion, but I would say that even non-white people in white cultures would view other non-whites as 'them'. I'm not saying that misrepresenting non-normative races as purely a white concern, it's a classic problem, and is often discussed in first year sociology, legal studies and gender studies classes.
>>83658268
That section of academia has members with a finite lifespan. Who is gonna fill their positions when they kick the bucket? SJWs can play the long game. They've been doing it in community college for decades and now the change is beginning to bear fruit.
>>83658291
I think we just run the risk of dehumanizing people with this line of thinking. Regardless of race.
>>83658259
White men are being castrated culturally and symbolically
>>83658280
The problem is idiots not understanding concepts, there's nothing wrong with the concepts themselves. That's why I get pissed when people talk shit about feminism, because a lot of feminists did great things for society in the past, and it feels like internet counter-culture is often devaluing their work.
>>83658290
Funny, they think we do
>>83658290
>wanting to control humans
skrull detected
>>83658311
>a lot of feminists did great things for society in the past
Examples?
>>83658300
bro what the fuck are you talking about. I'm not even talking about individuals.
>>83658259
https://heatst.com/uk/straight-white-men-banned-from-equality-conference/
It will only continue to spiral out of control and people will defend it thanks to intersectional feminism. Discrimination allowed under the guise of equality.
Here's another exapmle about pay women more just for being women:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztdHIpGxrQA
>>83658326
That's the problem though. We look at people not as individuals and instead as concepts or ideas and that means we can hate them and hurt them and not have to worry about it.
>>83658311
then take the problem to the feminists that are fucking up the name of feminism.
You think you are tired of the mislabeling? Then tell the retards on the other side to stop straw maning, and making up issues with white males.
>girl murders innocent guy over tampon
Can someone shoot this writer?
>>83658290
Sure is redpill in here...
>>83658311
Giving women the vote irreparably fucked society. Women as a rule do not vote with their heads. They vote for what sounds nice and fuzzy. Men as a rule vote pragmatically.
Ever since women got the vote politics slowly turned into a popularity pageant where candidates flaunt their great policies and people whoop and cheer and then pick the one who was most epic. It's so much worse in recent years.
>>83658353
>sure didn't lurk enough
>>83658321
Suffragettes would be the most obvious one. They did some crazy shit to change public opinion, and eventually succeeded in giving women the right to vote in the UK. A lot of very intelligent people rallied to allow women into universities, which was quite recent, during the turn of the 20th century.
>>83658351
The guy was saved, so she only tried to kill him.
>>83658344
People are absolute shit and not worth being seen outside of big lumped masses or concepts. People have become so fucking shitty that there's actually a huge risk in interacting with them at all, as the risks outweigh the rewards.
So fuck people. They don't deserve to be treated humanely. They're a bunch of cunts.
>>83658360
>Men as a rule vote pragmatically.
Can we all agree that the world would be a better place without Amerfiats?
Just give all over America's wealth to Putin and put Russia in charge of global economy.
>>83658360
The fact that trump is winning shows that everyone, not just women, vote for what sounds nice and fuzzy. Blaming only women sounds like you're trying to defend a stupid nation
>>83658383
go to bed putin.
>>83658366
Didn't they get suffrage without paying the price men did, like being forced to serve in the military if commanded? Doesn't seem like equality to me.
>>83658384
why are you responding to bait
>>83658380
Certainly not anymore because they've been effeminized by community colleges and social castration. Funny how the more feminine men become the more likely they are to like feminism and its principles.
>>83658353
I mean... are they wrong?
>>83658414
you are missing the idea of middle ground here, people still adhere to common sense.
>>83657939
Anon how old are you that you still have faith in academia? Because you gotta be at least 40.
>>83658360
>Men as a rule vote pragmatically.
BUILD A WALL
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>>83658360
First time I've seen someone blame women for Reagan
>>83658343
the whole 'pay women for just being women' is actually pretty complicated, and I'm not going to talk about it deeply on fucking 4chan. It's kinda linked to the idea of normative bias that's being discussed in this thread. It's one of the solutions to this whole idea of breaking out of the norm, but there are issues with it. Regardless, try to understand things outside of individuals and see it as sociological concern.
>>83658344
You can't talk about society meaningfully by just looking at individuals, anon. You don't talk about hate in this sort of field, it's about statistics and understanding how the masses react.
>>83658375
This is edgy as shit and absolutely not the correct response.
>>83658384
Trump isn't winning. It's being put that way by the modes to scare more fence-sitters into action. When the votes are counted and Trump loses by a landslide it will prove how cooky he was and how silly his supporters were, and it'll look great on the headlines when "sense and reason beats Trump out of the Presidency" etc
It's basic propaganda tactics, m8. Soviet Russia would often play like it was losing to America to kick people into a political fetvor for added support.
