No one likes drawing. Everyone likes having drawn.
Just like the author of Homestuck said.
Bumping with today's progress
>>83644104
Fuck you writing is fucking hard too.
WIP. Trying out Clip Studio's new animation update. Tried to do this several times before I got something passable. Tried putting in arcs, which I think made some difference. Aside from roughing the arms in, adding linework and coloring it, is there anything that needs fixing at this early stage?
>>83644905
topfuckingkek
Yo screw you it's quicker to convince me to draw than to write, but that's because I'm stuck in a safe zone of drawing animals all the time. Also, I've never requested any art because it drives me to work harder.
I'm better at people than I was before but it still makes me mad whenever I try.
>>83644104
this sure bit him in the ass
>>83644905
Writing is way easier than drawing.
>>83643964
I like drawing way more than looking at my work, though.
>>83645807
>>83646691
Writing requires less technique to be functional, but that also means it's much harder to get truly great at it because practice isn't enough.
bump?
>>83644447
nice forest trees, girls pose is really weird for someone running
>>83645766
dont forget breasts have weight, thered be sharper shift in the arc when its shifting to being pulled up
Bump! One panel down, three to go.
Keep breathing.
One more to be safe.
>my Wacom (six years old Bamboo) pen nib was too worn out
>tried to remove it using a nail clipper, which was the nearest tool I had
>pressed a bit too hard, accidentally cut the nib
>now I can't remove the rest of the nib, it's too short to be able to pick it up with regular plier, and I don't think I can disassemble the pen either
>"replacement" pens are too expensive, might as well buy a new one
FUck my life. When I finally get a job, I'm gonna buy a fucking medium-sized Intuos Pro.
Working on a sort of riff on the sonic the Hedgehog title screen.
>>83652534
man, thats hard to hear
i've been getting back into drawing recently, been practicing backgrounds which is something i never really worked on in the past
randomly decided to start drawing some pages for a comic idea I had about reinventing the afterlife mythology to take place on the moons of Pluto
Last update for the night on my end.
>>83653085
This looks great
>>83653382
Ahhhh, man, I wish your panels were closer together. Your gutters are huge and it doesn't look like a deliberate choice, either.
>usually love drawing and draw a lot
>every night I come home to late and too tired to draw
Just got a job too
>>83643964
I was browsing a Hawkman thread yesterday when I remembered that Hawkman exists and I hate his costume.
So I started a redesign of him that plays up the Egyptian motifs...I spent way too long on this.
>>83654013
noted, i'll minimize the gutters on the next page
>>83654013
Thank you. I think I'm basically done with the frame and scroll. Not really happy with the text yet, but I'm going to come back to it.
>>83655175
And here it is with a basic BG. Not sure how detailed I want to go with the BG, really.
>>83654784
I like it.
Newest character for a 2-D puppet show I've been working on
>>83655252
More puppets
The story is about a Medicare fine dining restaurant and the dysfunctional weirdos that run it
>>83654085
what job do you work?
Still trying to get panel bordering down, shading too. I think i'm getting better
>>83655835
great style
i really like the look of the guy on the left
>>83648741
I may be late, and this may be bad feedback depending on what you're trying to accomplish here, but she has a shortstack body
>>83655383
>>83655252
I'm digging what you're going for, eager to see what your finished project will look like
>>83656113
Thank you, seeing as how thats my main character it really means a lot!
>can draw a bit
>not creative enough for a good story
>>83656316
start reading books more, think of your favorite stories. what do you like about them? creativity can be cultivated, and you're already creative while drawing.
start small. think of a character, who they are, why they look the way they do. will you make a friend for them, perhaps? maybe they have a pet. you can expand from that, where do they live? what are their interests?
>>83643964
ayyy lmao
>>83656316
What works with me is sleep deprivation. I stay up so fucking late that I almost can't stay awake anymore and then the ideas start coming in. I got over 20 story ideas in one night by using this method.
>>83646193
I draw humans all the time but gotta say I find it much more enjoyable to draw animals and nature
Even within humans I enjoy drawing mutated monstrous stuff like Symbiotes. Regular humans are boring
>>83646888
same. Getting lost in the lines and the curves and the details is relaxing. It's the outcome that's not fun.
>>83657526
These look good, friendo. I'm digging that guy on the top left
>>83658510
THANKS!
>>83657526
made some concept sketches for the next chapter o my webcomic a few minutes ago
all the vampires faces change to a more demonic face before they drink the blood of thier victims, think buffy or angel but on a whole, 'nother, level! lol
>>83658599
old page from chapter 2 for example...
>>83657753
I have the same problem, but I can only draw the fucking ninja turtles
>>83655252
>>83655383
I am genuinely interested in what you are making.
>>83658638
I don't know how to put it politely...
you have not consumed enough vampire fiction to be writing about vampires and your dialogue is sonichu tier
>>83643964
Bump.
Help Batman, I lost my ambition again (which I had back 4 months ago)
>>83657526
>>83658599
>>83658638
You should probably drop coloring your comics. Your black and whites/monochromes/linearts look about, 1000x better than your final colored pages.
Suggestions?
>>83656210
>she has a shortstack body
Not sure what you mean.
>>83655383
You should take a black marker to the edges of the paper so you don't see the white outlines.
>>83660778
Looks good. All it needs is some shading.
>>83664208
Any tutorial recommendations? Years of practice have yielded nothing, I'm horrible at it.
>>83664284
None in particular, but if you show me an example of yours and where you think you need help, I could try to give a few pointers.
>>83664971
The latest drawing I made that actually uses shading is this one.
>>83660459
You're going to make something awesome, show us one day
workin on this sketch...
comments/crits welcome
Was trying to get some drawing in today.
http://puu sh/po7ij/f36474e6f4.mp4
been working on a short animation just to learn, hopefully someone can tell me what stinks so I can fix it
>>83658705
>>83656210
Here's the little proof-of-concept we filmed a few months ago. Still working on the first episode
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DvJKb9HoSgw
>>83662230
Good call, especially for the backgrounds
>>83665278
I understand the monster proportions, but being a mostly human shaped monster, I feel like his arms and legs should be proportionate to each other as a humans would. If that makes any sense.
His legs seem awfully stubby
>>83643964
I hate drawing but want to have drawn.
I have absolutely no willpower.
Will Adderall give me the focus and dedication I need, or does the damage it does to creativity balance things out so that I'll always be fucked?
Bumping with a wip of a friend's OC of sorts.
>>83667302
its fine so far. take everything to the quality of the last part of the animation then check back
Just a dumb OC doodle while I procrastinate. Might give him a small rogues gallery for kicks later.
>>83667580
You're going to fap like crazy after you clean up and get everything "perfect"so you can finally start drawing
>looked at Endtown thread
>Which character would youpaw off to
Yeaaaaah, they can fuck off. Endtown threads were a mistake.
It was supposed to be a coloured sketch, but it became bigger and pinker.
>>83665112
Looks fine to me, you just need to take it a little further and not do it only on certain areas.
>>83660459
Draw something brutal.
>>83667489
I see good potential.
Alright, so animation is not my strong suit. What is something that I need to work on?I'm not sure that I exaggerated the squash and stretch enough, but is there anything that I should be focused on?
>>83670337
Whoa that webm is stuttering, here's the .gif version.
>>83657628
I can vouch for this. I'll stay awake until I actively have to fight the urge to lay down and pass out and suddenly my brain starts making all these weird and novel connections between ideas I've been working on. I rush to sketch them out and include enough notes to know what the hell I was aiming for when I'm well rested -- end up with a lot of good material for further refinement. I think a lot of it is just losing the need for protecting my fragile ego with self-censorship.
I wish I still had the drive to draw. I've always wanted to share this.
>>83670808
Looks good mate, keep drawing.
I think the best way to get drawing is to identify what stops you from drawing (specifically things within your control). For me it's vidya and youtube, when you know what causes you to get distracted you can form ways to overcoming it. Either by scheduling your hours, or by simply saying 'no' to yourself before you embark in a session of purging filthy xenos. I always find that the hardest part is starting, but when you do get that start you just fall into drawing, and even if it gets frustrating you can still learn from it and you feel like you've been productive.
workin on uniform for police force in fantasy city
you can prob guess my favorite book series
Some designs I'm working on for a webcomic I want to do.
>>83671007
That's some pretty good advice.
Making different kinda fantasy characters for one of the ten billion projects I have going. But practice is practice.
>>83672394
Nice!
>>83644104
>writing is easy
When you're making garbage like Homestuck I'm sure it is.
So he gets his feelings hurt most people hate Flash for animating and decides to make blank statements in his ire.
He's a tool and anyone who says writing is easy should put their pencils and other art utensils down because they're disrespecting their own. Writing is an art form just like drawing. It's a slap in the face when you have put hours of work and years of honing a craft and have someone brush it off as "easy".
Every professional artist has a story where a client or someone they're working under devalues their ability. They want work for free, they want you to do a piece over again not thinking of the time and resources needed to do it, they refuse to pay, refuse to give you credit because in their minds drawing is "easy". Your effort and time isn't worth their money or their respect. And the same thing happens to writers. This asshole has no idea what collaboration is. Which is why he's struggle to put out a shitty web series, and had to abandon it multiple times.
He's the type of shit head the art and creative community does not need in it's ranks.
Fuck him.
>>83672494
Thanks Anon, really appreciate it!
>>83660778
Not a fan of the crossed eyes.
>>83667522
oh, so like a dwarf then?(different anon)
Working on the second page of my fancomic after redrawing the first one from scratch. I'm going to redo the window frame in which this picture goes because I like this face, worked hard on it, and like hell I'm going to redraw him with a suitable angle of perspective.
looks like you're in need of a bump
Tried mimicking Kenron's style.
Thought it turned out really well but I don't want to take much credit for it since I just tried to draw in his style.
>>83672730
>that image
>>83672730
>I should get a cut for advertising
Im fucking laughing like a mother fucker
>>83658599
did some traditional sketches just a few minutes ago
top left bianca bayou, top right demon juice, two characters from my webcomic
bottom two are just random sketches of nobody
3 quarter view, front view, and side view, gotta stay practiced yall, never let your selfs get rusty anons!
>>83676491
drawn on notebook paper, it was dark in my room when i took the picture(need a new lightbulb in my room, current one is dim as fuck) so i had to mess with the brightness and contrast in paint.net which is why it has a weird fuzzy blur to it
>>83672730
triggered
>>83644104
>Writing is easy
Yeah I've seen how you ended your comic, that shit's clearly not as easy as you thought it was.
>>83644104
>Just like the author of Homestuck said.
I don't even have to enlarge the image to know it's a bunch of nonsense.
bats i need help i want to draw an old broken plane plane
i can construct most of it using 2 point perspective using cubes
but have problems deciding on how im supposed to draw the propeller so it looks ok in perpective and also what details i shouls add to make it look like a machine
right now i only have a structure made out of cubes
Friendly reminder: Theres a skype group for this thread too, just add adogsmoothie or roostergold and they'll add ya!
Anyone can join regardless of skill level, just don't be a dick!
>>83678327
I am incapable of not being a dick
And I don't see the point in skype, kek, snapchat, etc unless you trying to get your kink on.
Which is why I don't use any of those.
>>83643964
Why don't you draw the Joker?
>>83654784
it done.
>inb4 WE
I only half racebent them. They're white in their civilian identities but brown when they transform.
Something I did for /tg/
>>83679542
I drew this
forgot to type this.
>>83672730
My nigga.I'd buy you a drink if I could.
>>83679314
is that a fighting lizard man?
>>83672730
>That image
I agree with the thing you wrote btw.
>>83681837
To be fair, there's absolutely no reason someone who commissions art should have to promote the person who made it. Editing out the signature is shitty, but paying for something and parting ways never to speak again is completely fair. If you expect more than word of mouth from your customers, you're expecting way too much.
>>83675204
Kind of reminds me of David Aja's style on that Hawkeye run. Pretty neat
Not strictly /co/ but I decided to mess a bit with weird japanese drawings, oni masks and eastern dragons. I have some issues with this, particularly the hand holding the sickle but I'm somewhat happy with the end result. I think it's better than that super shaded Carnage I posted once in here I guess
>>83678422
Thats fair
>>83681916
Artists don't care about you telling your friends about them, they care about people posting their commissions on imageboards and the poster not being able to remember the names of the artists preventing other people from seeing the rest of the artists stuff because they're being a spiteful retard for no reason.
>>83681916
>If you expect more than word of mouth from your customers, you're expecting way too much.
The dickhead quoted in that picture >>83672730
is clearly against offering even that small, common courtesy.
No, you don't have to be BFFs with someone you commission a piece from, but if others ask about it, why not just say "oh, X drew that for me"? That's really not even praise, just a fact.
>>83676491
Quick zidane sketch
bomp
>>83682166that's cool
your style reminds me of that anon that did all that splatoon fanart a while ago
>>83671732
I Likeit, show us more.I
>>83684152
Ah yeah? I did some. Dunno if I ever posted it here though.
>>83672730
>When people ask if I drew it, I say "Nope." When people ask who did, I say, "Sorry, I don't remember."
I bet this is the same type of person who doesn't give directions to lost people, refuses to tip and tells you to fuck of if you ask them the time.
>>83655383
>>83655252
getting genuine hype feels for this
I need help
>>83672730
>that image
This is why I just draw as a hobby and don't try to make money out of it
also because I'm not that great
>>83672730
Someone please tell the name of this douchebag, i want this to go fucking viral, holy shit what a cunt
>>83681916
>To be fair, there's absolutely no reason someone who commissions art should have to promote the person who made it.
Its not fair when that artist:
A) makes a living or even side money from commissions and
B) That artist spend time and effort in making that art and has just as much if not more ownership over that piece than the client.
You'd never see someone scratch the HP or Apple logos off a computer. You won't see someone take the Ford or Toyota logos off their cars because they feel like they shouldn't be promoting them after paying.
An artist's signature is their brand. And it is shitty to remove it but even shittier to feel like you have no obligation to give them more customers after you've gotten a service from them. It takes a true selfish cunt who disrespects art and artists to do that. This is why artist deface their own work online with giant watermarks because people feel like they can just take. You have scumbags who take art slap it on some cheap products and the artist is unable to do a thing because so many people devalue their work. Yet if someone makes a bootleg iPad they can be railed up the ass if Apple very much pleases.
"It's not to be fair" because that artist is trying to live on his craft and the customer is not. It's not "expecting way too much" because that's how the business of art works. And even if you paid for one piece of art by removing a signature you are very much robbing the artist of future commissions and opportunities. Period.
>>83686002
>tfw every time I think I'm getting good on the whole drawing thing I somehow end up on /wg/ watching those pretty wallpapers featuring magical monster and shit and realize I'm not that good
I'll never be good at something
>>83687887
I would never remove a signature but I would have no problem removing watermarks and the like. Any artist who does that is a piece of shit. Actually I would be more likely to refuse to share their artwork entirely and badmouth them if they hear them mentioned.
>>83687887
So according to you, literally every piece of art ever created should have a signature on it? You're pretty dopey.
>>83686838
What part of his post do you disagree with?
>>83688254
I think he meant the picture, anon.
>>83688216
That's not what anon said and you know it.
He's right that if someone is a working artist they have every right to put a signature/logo on their art and no one should remove them or steal their art.
>>83688183
When you're a popular artist who constantly has people stealing your work or laying claim to it you have no choice but to take those measures. But you feeling like you're entitled to their art without a watermark makes you a piece of shit not the artists.
>>83665278
>>83667522
i wanted to make his arms look huge so that it would look like he could wield this massive mace.
small update
>>83688006
Not with that attitude, you won't. You've gotta keep practicing and always remember to have fun. There's always going to be people who are better than you, and that's fine.
>>83684652
oh shit, that's it
you got blog? could've sworn i was following you somewhere, but i don't remember where
bumpy
>>83690863
I think in my case I just can't specialize in something. Sometimes I'll heavily shad it like the darkest Frank Miller comic, sometimes I go for light cross-hatching, sometimes I use thick hard lines. Finding myself is hard
bunp
>>83690907
http://scribblehatch.tumblr.com/
In the end, it kind of worked. Hand is in a not very much cinematography.right position, but it is kind of anatomically right.
>>83685412
It looks like his torso might be a bit to long.
>>83667489
You looking for other VA's?
>>83692108
Just keep practicing. Remember that it's just as good to find ways that don't work as it is to find ways that do.
The only thing I can see immediately wrong is maybe the thickness of the pointing finger's tip as opposed to its forefinger.
I still don't know how to feel about it though. Rip it to shreds.
>>83670370
Nice, >>>/aco/ might appreciate it more, though.
>>83696939
Is there a thread for /aco/ drawings that aren't requests/oc?
>>83696808
It seems like you're trying to draw the hand without realizing how it's truly structured. Look at an anatomy book or a good drawing tutorial (I'd recommend "Fun With A Pencil") and see what goes into not only the hand, but the rest of the body as well. Once you learn how to build things from the inside out, it gets much easier.
>>83697433
Eh, I dropped it of in the Bubblegum thread there.
I'm really just looking for critique on it.
Just doing faces atm
Coming up with concepts for comic character
bottom one was just me making a stupid face in the mirror but like how it turned out
progress on the next page
>>83653382
>me
>>83698307
>Stupid face
Come on, you can do better than that.
>>83672730
you know
he's not wrong. he paid for the art . therefore he owns it.
merely having the sig on that art is advertisement for the artist. the purchaser gets the raw deal. all viewers of his blog go to the artist instead which is completely unfair.
artists are entitled cunts.
>>83690115
its the fault of the artist. its his fault he got too popular tgat poeple want to steal his art.
>>83688006
its prettyuch boils down to talent. practice all you want but its talent is what makes the differance between you are just another artist to, oh shit you are so and so artist.
most artists especially popular artist want to be remembered. its petty as fuck but when you have talent, you tend to get delusions of grandeur.
>>83643964
I like drawing.
>>83698724
>merely having the sig on that art is advertisement for the artist.
But he said he removes the sigs.
>>83655191
Another Logo design. Ended up looking a bit like a beer label.
WIP
Working on my first few pages now. I've been planning and writing it carefully for a while and believe I have it all well put together.
First time doing all drawing, inking, and coloring in my comics. Right now I just want to crank out pages then go back over the colors in the future once I get better.
>>83699869
I would buy the fuck out of that beer.
>>83685412
Draw the body first, THEN the clothing.
>>83700854
Not a big beer drinker myself, but I do love the label designs.
I drew this a while ago, but so far no one's critiqued it. Also, whenever I post it, the thread gets buried.
I don't know what possessed me to draw this.
just drew this for a request in a zoot thread
tell me whatchyu think, what sucks and what I need to improve onbesides keeping my autism contained
>>83702939
You should probably add shading. It's a great drawing in spite of this.
>>83697466
I've been reading on Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, and I'm trying to avoid being one of those people who foregoes structure practice. I did try to keep that drawing referenced, but I don't know how to keep things anatomically structured outside of drawing what I see instead of whatever symbols I already have in my mind. That's been a recurring theme in my practice lately.
I've heard a lot about Fun with a Pencil, would it really be one of the best options at this stage?
>>83703358
>would it really be one of the best options at this stage?
For hands in particular, not really, since it only glazes over that. But it does present the idea of drawing the underlying structure in a simple manner. Here's a link to a few books.
http://alexhays.com/loomis/
>>83698782
>>83698724
You're full blown trolling at this point
i got back workin' on that children's book
here's a page mock up
>>83698307
here again
How are my backgrounds lol
trying to make em simple, and comic-y
>>83704175
Spacing between the art and text is very important.
Finished! I listened to an audiobook of Robinson Crusoe while I worked.
>>83704790
yes, someone already told me that
I'm looking into InDesign and its alternatives so I can make the process easier on me
this was just cobbled together in my art program
>>83700773
noice, can't wait to see it finished
http://www.newgrounds.com/dump/item/571a9be11acfe8ea1de015c8931a1c8f https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-qu5etqQug
I'm a little scared to post this, looking at the level of quality here, but I really would like some help on these head turns. I'm having trouble with them and I'm not sure what to do. And other tips are appreciated too.
>>83705654
Easing your frames might help. Right now it's a bit robotic because it's so linear.
>>83703694
Well I did the hand because I'm trying to practice general construction on all kinds of various stuff right now before moving back onto primarily figures. The whole glove thing is tangentially related to something I'm working on right now, though.
I assume it helps with things like weight distribution, though? I feel like I could brush up a little on that.
>>83704175
If your book is made for kids under a certain age-group some publishers might be a little cautious about commonly using words like butt, just saying. But with the level of sentence structure it's written, the kids you're writing for are probably old enough.
i'm kinda burned and frustrated out from what's supposed to be acceptable in the eyes of 4chan in terms of an artstyle
>>83708158
your priorities should be
skill>>>>>>artstyle>people>people on 4chan
if its done well people will follow
>>83647698
What is void type?
>>83708251
so what defines skill exactly? knowing how to properly draw the human figure as accurate as one is fast as possible?
>>83708938
yep. once you know how you're pretty much set
>>83708158
Getting "4chan" or at least /co/ to like an art style isn't a concrete enough goal. Tastes here vary wildly. Other then broad recurring conplaint trends (noodle arms,tumblr nose, etc) trying to listen to 4chan as a collective is a bad idea.
>>83708938
pretty much >>83711648
fundamentals
color theory, figure drawing, perspective, form ect
>>83708672
i rolled a double type, flying/custom, wherein custom you make youre own category
i thought of void as like a black-hole, vacuity type
>>83708251
>skill
Pffffft, good one. Just stylize it until it works.
>>83644104
>writing is easier than drawing
Ignorant
>>83679314
I like it. I like it a lot
>>83713561
>implying writing is even half as hard as drawing
>>83713561
comic writing is far easier than drawing the comic are you kidding me?
>>83644104
>>83713561
>>83713689
You scrubs need to look at this holistically, not as drawing or writing, but as overall storytelling ability.Drawing is only perceived as harder because it isn't a subjective necessity like writing is. Society views being able to convey ideas through words as one of the defining gauges of intelligence (or education), while being able to draw well is seen as a "fun-yet-nonessential" talent similar to juggling or being a baseball player.
>>83701827
http://theshutteredcity.tumblr.com/
Bamp
>>83714018
this guy gets it
>>83706330
Thanks, anon!
>>83707969
Yeah I'm sure stuff like that will be pruned when and if this goes by an editor.
>>83644104
It depends.
A lot of "writers" don't put in enough effort, and there are artists who don't WANT them to put in that effort because it's easier for them to just do their own thing. A really good writer has a tough job, though.
Show me your WIPS
holy fuck
when did /co/ turn into /ic/?
>>83723131
We're just /ic/ lite
>>83643964
I wish I could draw again, but my hands fall asleep after a while and waiting for my hand to go back to normal kills the mood to draw.
I think the last drawing I did was Catwoman like 2 years ago, I miss it.
Can I post voice stuff here? Since it's art? Thinking of getting into voice acting after disability make me unable to continue stage acting. Got told I sound like Arleen Sorkin.
I'm looking to get into VA because I was a stage actor but my disability makes it too hard to stage act. I've been getting into old radio plays and stuff and learning about the legends of radio, and I really feel at home. I really hope I get to meet cool people.
Since you guys dig impressions (I guess. I don't want to do impressions, I want to voice act), here's Harley (Sorkin Harley) as Dr Quinzel since I have a similar voice:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0dDDW2latKL
I need to invest in a better mic.
this is a tough voice. You need to put your throat in such a weird place.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1DRDrcTE41o
Trying direct mimicry: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0DDiMuxozYgAnd then from memory: http://vocaroo.com/i/s1v1esQvVy34
Got my phone mic to sound OK, here's more in better quality:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s114mzVXAVLQ
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1vdOvVksxaU
I haven't sunk much into this impression yet. I'm just kind of skating by on a mild passing resemblance. I'm hoping I can improve it. Thoughts?
>>83723976
can't really emote or yell like I'd like because my walls are thin and I don't want to disturb the neighbors. I keep having to pull back while yelling and it sounds dreadful.
>>83723976
Not bad.
>>83714018
>>83716815
in my view it is harder to work up to the skillsets needed to be a great artist, but once you're there you're pretty much set. writing requires something a bit more than just grinding and practice.
This is strictly NSFW, in fact the rest of the albums are NSFW as well.
I haven't drawn in a while, but this album http://imgur.com/a/6K56m is my most recent that I have uploaded.
Any thoughts on what I could improve?
some random things i did
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>>83727581
a couple of OCs, koertia is basically a creature from anothr dimention found trapped inside a rock in the antarctica. she is literally indestructible.
it is soon discovered that anyone who is close to her slowly becomes smarter but they also start to mutate into a horrible monster
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>>83727648
finally some stereotypes
(yes i consider SJW a counterculture)
>>83671007
Thanks for the advice anon.
>>83729547
You're welcome
To be honest I really need to follow it myself. Along with working on my fundamentals, because wow my art is bad.
Also, if you struggle with browsing the internet and use Chrome, try an extension called Citrus, it blocks websites of your choice for a certain time limit.
>>83727683
Nice work
>>83713689
I think it's hard to say, especially depending on what kind of comic you're trying to create. Some comics focus much more on visuals than writing, letting their pictures do the talking for them. In those cases I think the creator would say that art is harder than writing. I've also seen comic books that are basically page after page of word blocks over a few images, and I think that the author of that would say the opposite. It's just incredibly ignorant to think that all comics might be exactly like yours.
>>83727683
kek. The other Counter Cultures in that pic looked more respectable in comparison to the SJW.
>>83714448
More designs.
>>83695733
I wouldn't say no to more VAs, especially since that's not really my strong suit, although honestly what I really need are more hands to help make puppets and a dedicated camera operator since I do all that stuff by myself
bamp
super sambo man
>>83690785
update.
what do you guys think of the coloring/composition so far?
>>83735556
IMO
>>83735556
it's lookin good
>>83643964
I genuinely enjoy the actual physical act of drawing as well as the mental task of formulating shapes to draw.
>>83735556
Holy shit
>>83735556
Noice
>>83735134
are you going to add another color? like black for the outlines?
It has been some time but i finally decided to comeback to drawing.
What do you think /co/ ? Also can you suggest me books or something to study perspective and 3/4 view in bodies.
>>83741672
Loomis, I think it's 'Figure Drawing, For All It's Worth' that has a chapter specifically for drawing people in perspective, but I'd recommend all his books, supplemented with Vilppu
>>83735134
this is retardedi love it
>>83727581
>>83727648
some good shit, man
you got a blog?
>>83742569
thnak you buddy, here you go
http://unbeknownsttomen.tumblr.com/
>>83742429
Thank you do you have any opinion on the drawing i did ?
>>83742943
Not that guy, but to be quite frank, it has the build of a man, except with tits.
You want to make a more slight frame if you're going for a woman.
>>83672730
>>83644104
'writing is easy' - yeah, because he is simply making one-panel shitty pages and writes uberlong dialogue scenes.
Writing actual comics, having to consider panels, instead of an illustrated chatlog, is tricky.
Consider pic related. If you know something about fiction, you are probably aware of a concept of 'interest curve' in one form or another - "A good film should start with an earthquake and be followed by rising tension" - basically, that tension in a work of fiction should follow a curve more or less like this:
http://scalar.usc.edu/works/interactive-storytelling-narrative-techniques-and-methods-in-video-games/media/3.4%20-%20Pacing%20example%20(Scene)%20-%20Mass%20Effect%203.gif
- something interesting at the beginning to interest the reader, then drop in tension as a breather, than tension should gradually rise until the climax near the end.
That is relatively common knowledge.
Less common is idea that we can apply it even to a single comic page - well written page will start by grabbing your attention, taking a breather, then building tension until final cool moment of climax (which might also happen on the next page, as a splash page reveal).
That is less common knowledge, but you might realize it if you read/wrote some comics.
So here is the thing. Take a page from Watchmen. I analyzed it to try to learn some tricks from Alan Moore, and was floored, right on the first page.
See, Alan Moore does apply the 'rising tension' to the entire page, sure.
But here's the trick, the catch - the reason why Moore wanted a rigid nine-panel grid giving him complete control over panel layout - and why Watchmen is such an enthralling read, as proven by huge sales and all the awards.
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>>83743014
I am using pictures of Zyrna or whatever the name is of the pink haired russian from overwatch is.
So yeah I am trying to draw a female with muscles.
>>83743070
Alan Moore applies the concept of rising tension to every single row of panels.
It's brilliant, really. We read horizontally, and if you distinguish act of reading a page and turning it as something deserving it's own buildup-climax cycle, then a 'line break' of looking for next row of panels should too.
Consider first row - we start with a smiley face in a pool of blood. Wait, what? What the hell is going on? And a narration? What exactly is going on here?
Still, we know someone is most likely dead, and there is character named Rohrschach. Intriguing, for sure.
Panel two - nothing really interesting, not as much as in panel one. Rorshach rants about ironically fitting metaphor, while we get a promise of a shoe - promise of a human character is most interesting thing in this panel.
Then, third one: payoff! We see two different characters, as Rorshach delivers his easily most remembered line. Ever wondered why this line seemed so memorable, even though more rant follows? That is why, because it serves as a climax of panel rows.
Then, line break.
We start second row with a clean palate. At this point, reader started to twig that camera is going up, and it doesn't seem to stop - interesting. While Rohrschach firmly establishes his political beliefs as quite right-wing. So, panel is interesting, but for different reasons than ones in first row.
Second panel in second row, Rohrschach follows up on his previous though. Most interesting thing is view of the street, with sci fi truck.
Then, third panel of second row - boom! Payoff! Rohrshach delivers his second witty punchline, as we finally learn where we are headed - a hand at edge of broken window. That implies where blood came from, for astute readers.
Then, final panel. Note that it is built so that reader reading from the left, will slowly draw their eyes across full cityscape, providing conclusion to the page - while dialogue confirms that blood below belongs to someone who fell from this window.
>>83743374
So, reader also realized they just traced path of someone who fell to their deaths - backwards.
All that, in one page. We learned a lot about the world (sci-fi, but gritty and with apocalyptic nutjobs), we get a good character study of a character, and we establish a murder mystery.
All in one page.
So yeah, no fucking way Andrew Hussie would be able to pull off something like this, because he's a hack.
How is this relevant to an art thread? Well, when drawing comics, you can keep this in mind - it seems to me that e.g. Kenneth Rocafort seems to be aware of the concept, and partial reason for his weird panel layouts is attempting to put panels together in those buildup-climax cycles.
So, it's something to keep in mind when writing or doing layouts.
>>83743075
Yo, Zarya is an already stylized version. It might be a better idea to use real photos of female atheletes.
Also, muscled women don't look like men. Consider slightly wider hips and more narrow shoulders - unless you want her to look androgynous, which is cool too.
Also what I do, is go to creepshot threads, and save pics as art reference. It gives you good range of everyday bodytypes in variety of poses. Books are good for starting advice. (inb4 mah Loomis, Loomis stuff is super fucking old.)
>>83724632
any other comments?
I'v been working on this for two day cause i'm lazy on most days
>>83743561
All right will do, Thanks mate.
>>83743561
Thanks again for the advice but if is not too much to ask could you give an example of wide hips in 3/4 view please ?
>inb4 thiccfags come to the thread
>>83744141
Not the other guy, but I remembered I had this gallery bookmarked -
http://imgur.com/a/pDzD8?gallery
A bunch of top athletes naked (male and female)
You coould also go trawling /s/ for gym/fit threads.
>>83744273
Thanks you!
>>83698075
Take it to /ic/
They've probably got an animation thread.
>>83672730
when i see things like this i end up hating everyone.
the consumer is an entitled fuck and then artists and their sycophants get involved with "but i NEED my signature and credit there, i'm entitled to make money from my work!" which is a position i can't respect either.
i just want everyone to die.then again i'm not a big fan of commissions in general because the furry fandom underlines how money can poison a community.
>>83745971
>artists aren't entitled to make money from their work
Would you do work - any kind of work! - for no pay or compensation?
Would you also be happy to produce some work and NOT receive any kind of credit for it?
Would you ask a plumber to fix your sink for free and not even pass on his number to your friend whose drains are blocked?
>>83746381
>artists aren't entitled to make money from their work
i'd pay you for that strawman any day of the week. it's definitely a top of the line one.
you're entitled to TRY and make money from your work. if you set up a plumbing business and it doesn't earn enough to cover additional costs like operating a van, that's your problem.
to answer the first question, it comes down to one of definitions: how are we defining "work"?
would i make art for free for someone else, to their specifications, for free? 99% of the time no. i would define that as work.
would i make art for free for others to view, to my specifications? i already do occasionally, but i don't define it as work even though i could be doing more enjoyable things than drawing because i enjoy nice comments or the social reaction to someone unexpectedly a specially made drawn insult on a forum.
but that's beyond the point, because the comparison was never "artists should work for free", it was "artists [or worse, non-artist sycohpants.] complaining they're entitled to be paid" which is different. the issue is with the complaining, not with the general payments.
with exception to the furry fandom, but that's a problem with D-I-Y vs buy-it-in, not with payment in and of itself.
Do you just find yourself buying endless sketchbooks and pens whenever the chance arises?
>>83723976
I kind of like how the mic makes you sound like one of those old timey commercial ladies.
Or from the black and white film era. It sounds cool even without the effects though.
>>83644104
>writing is easy
>drawing is hard
Then how come Homestuck's writing is even worse than it's "art"?
Quick sketch from yesterday.Setting myself up for a world of anguish headed my way
>>83750387
>Setting myself up for a world of anguish headed my way
Oh God, they're not making Age Of Emperor or something?
