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>>83641021
>All those silver age costumes
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I know people hate Finch, but his art honestly isn't that bad.
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>>83641037
Why /co/ hate Finch art again? Because I definitely prefer it over Janin.
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I like it but it doesn't seem like King is writing towards Finch's strengths, the panel layout is bland and basic

also I hate the use of real names over comms
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>>83641049
>I Wish you'd just give me your damn phone number

>I tried that and you made fun of me
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>>83641209
Because it's house style.
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>>83641094
>asking help to the JL

I thought Clark was dead at the moment
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>>83641094
>>83641080

In two pages, you can see Bellaire's prowess with colors. Of all of the spiritual carryovers from Snyder's run, I'm glad good coloring is staying. This'll be a fun comic.

As for the paneling, yeah, I'm not too impressed. But there's still 15 more pages of this issue and -- with King more aware of Batman's status as a big comic -- it's likely that the best stuff won't be in the beginning.
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>>83641308
Comics newbie here. What exactly does "house style" mean?
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>>83641209
You know things exist and can be measured separately from each other right? You don't have to constantly "well it could've been worse" everything.

His art is shit, he has bare understanding of proportion, composition, lighting, sequesntial storytelling, and that's not even going to /co/'s favorite measurement of art, anatomy.

He's shit and so is Janin
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>>83641049

Whoa shit, has Kobra been a thing in the New 52 yet?
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>>83641209

"Better than Janin" doesn't mean shit considering Janin is shit as well.
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>>83641037
>King writing
>Bellaire coloring
>Workman lettering
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>Finch drawing
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>>83641183

This looks way better than his other stuff he's done in the New 52.
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These are some nice colors
Jordie's good

>>83641528
They were in the Katana mini
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>>83641493
FCO > Bellaire
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>>83641507
It's a blanket term people misuse when they don't like a particular artist.

It basically means a style that doesn't stand out. An artstyle that's so common in the industry that it becomes boring.
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>>83641672
What a stinky opinion
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>CIA man King crashes a plane in issue 1

Bane will survive the wreckage.
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>>83641458
This was most likely written before DC decided on the order in which the Rebirth issues would come out. But anyway, Justice League comes out next week as well, right? Bruce will probably meet the new/old Clark in it.
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>>83641723
No, it means a style so popular at a company/franchise editors actually seek out people that can draw same-looking stuff and/or are encouraging other artists to draw closer to it.

The most famous example would be some guy whose name escapes me redraw all Kirby Superman heads in Curt Swan's style
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Is it just me or is this lettering ugly?
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>>83641860
It's you and your face.
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>>83641094
Aw, I like his safety belt.
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>>83641796
Have we started the fire?
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>>83641507
DC house style is the prototypical art style similar to Daniel, Finch and Jim Lee, 90% of the post rebirth comics are drawn that way (everything but Green Arrow, Teen Titans, Harley Quinn, Super Sons and Flash)

it's done to give the books a uniform sense of cohesion.

lots of thin lines, crosshatching and heavy black inks. characters are always drawn idealistic and the use of darker colors.
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>>83641183
It looks better since he has a different inker than his usual self does.
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>>83641874
No bully pls. I mean the spacing between letters just seems like it's too much. Or the letters themselves are too wide.

It's not unreadable but I don't like it.
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>>83641037
This page doesn't even look like Finch, nice.
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Finch is saved by Bellaire in this.
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>>83641010
Ok guys, need some clarity here, is the new 52 done, and the new reboot is called dc universe rebirth? how often do they do reboots like this?
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>>83641080

Huh. I just realized that they have basically turned Alfred into Oracle in Nu52. He's not explicitly a computer genius, but he does all the same things Oracle did in a Batman comic before.
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>>83642037
New 52 continuity is continuing. Rebirth is a jump on point not a reboot.
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>>83641049
>Kobra

First appearance post Flashpoint?
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>>83642037
Learn the difference between "reboot" and "relaunch".

Literally google "is DC Rebirth a reboot" and look at the most recent links.

Please, tell your friends. This shouldn't be difficult to piece together, yet so many people on /co/ and Twitter and comic sites can neither read nor use a search engine.
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>>83641937
It's done by hand, or at least there are some templates given in random combinations. Pretty sure it's by hand.

I think it goes great with any art, looks lively.
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Umm.... Finch's art is kinda good here? what the hell is happening

>>83641037

dat credit box. what is up with this slopply lettering slipping through the Rebirth books?

the rest of the letters look off too but not bad enough
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>>83642037
>the new 52 done
just about some books are finishing up over the next few weeks

>and the new reboot is called dc universe rebirth?
it's not a reboot, Rebirth just establishes that the New 52 happened on the Post Crisis Earth and not a new merged Earth and that the changes from the Post Crisis Earth to the New 52 were the deliberate result of an outside factors for nefarious reasons.

>how often do they do reboots like this?
They do events to reshape the DCU about once every 8 or nine years.
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>>83641308
You are retarded quite simply
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i don't get how people say finch is house style. he may not be great but he's certainly more unique than most uniform artists. he's got a muddier line, where his drawings almost sort of look like clay. he takes more influence from traditionalism in his work than say jim lee, who seems to have heavily borrowed from anime/manga of the action genre, and his line is more angular than finch's.
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>>83642257
I think it's recalling old comics. the layouts remind me of old GI Joe comics.
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>>83641094

Helluva good tease.
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Banning/Bellaire are putting in work. This is going to be Finch's best looking work ever. None of these pages are ugly.
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>>83641062
>Gordon, it's a fucking plane what do you expect me to do?
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SNYDEFAGS BTFO. This run is gonna be fire senpai
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I havent been this excited for an ongoing in a long time.

I have full faith this will be the best run since Morrison's.
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>>83641925

Still better than Marvel house style. Which has sucked ever since the mid nineties.
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>>83641037
mr seatbelts, i'm SIGN
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>>83642336
he's Marc Silvestri's clone he was hatched from the House Style lab.

he's just working on a tablet now so line work just comes out naturally muddier by default.
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>>83642400

Eh, Capullo is better than Finch.

And while normally I prefer the writer over the artist a good artist adds a lot and Capullo added a fuck ton to Snyder's run. Also, I actually enjoyed Snyder's run because I liked Joker as a Slasher villain, plus I really enjoyed Court of Owls and the second half of Zero Year.

Not going to argue about King being a better writer than Snyder though.
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>>83642301
>actually not responding like a faggot

thank you, anon.

I haven't been reading on new 52, maybe I should.
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>>83642519
Just shut up.
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>>83641037
>>83641796
>>83642448
Seriously, that's two references in five pages. If he does "with no survivors" we can safely assume he did his research after that twitter post
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>>83642550

Wow, you really don't like Snyder do you?
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>>83642336
He's house style, but so is Coipel yet he never gets called out on it.
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>>83642556
I don't think there was time for him to alter scripts that quickly with the double shipping. It's just hypercrisis.
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>>83642652
Who is Coipel going after?
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>>83642602
he's the devil!
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>>83641507
It's a particular art style that you can easily reconize and associate to a publisher immediatly.
I can't think of any publisher without a house style
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>>83642602
Nothing turns peoplenhere into snot nosed mewling faggots like daring to enjoy anythuing snyder did.
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>>83641882
Yes, the fire rises!
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Where did all this Janin hate come from? His Superman and JL Dark art didn't feel right, but his Grayson work fit perfectly.
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>>83642652
Coipel has been doing Marvel for 10 years they don't have an uniform house style, next to Marques, Ramos, Land and Henderson his stuff looks unique.
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>>83642695

Fuck it; I liked Snyder's run. Plus Capullo's art was ace. Some of my favorite depictions of Batman have come from Capullo's pencils.
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>>83642716
From the fact that he's working for DC. We ignored him until now because DC wasn't selling well but they're going to get a temporary boost from Rebirth.
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>>83642716
Poser
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>>83642716
Fit what? Was it "Adventures in Batman's Web 3.0"?
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>>83642739
>next to Marques, Ramos, Land
It looks similar
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>>83642716
DCYou tanked and took all the fans who can't tell when something is traced using 3D poser with them.
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>>83642802
Copiel's art looks like Humberto Ramos?!?

my dude please get your eyes checked.
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>>83642749
I hated his use of joker but I dug court of owls and zero year. And yeah capullos art is fucking amazing. I dint get complaints about him at all
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>>83642764
>we

Fuck off
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>>83642870
A bit. Looks more like Marquez. Either way, if you're going to push the meme of Reis being a Lee clone despite the fact that their drawn style is different and Reis is clean while Lee is very pencil heavy then sure.
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Snyderfags running rampant in this post already holy fuck
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>>83642913
I grew to like him, he's a beast but the art was very cartoonish and coloring was very bright which pretty much went against the previous 30 years of Batman comics.
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>>83643067
Reis is more of a Neal Adams shitty clone than anything
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>>83643178
You're joking, right? Batman has been brightly colored and cartoonish consistently overmthencharacters long history.
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>>83642765
https://twitter.com/mikeljanin/status/720026500792217600
Fuck off with your shitty meme.
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>>83643510
That literally doesn't disprove anything
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>>83641767
I like FCO's neon coloring over Bellaire's moody one. Also FCO has more range than Bellaire.
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>>83643559
>Drawing traditionally
>poser
Like I said, fuck off with you meme.
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>>83643602
Bellaire gets more credit than she deserves because she's a woman. She's not that great of a colorist.
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I forgot this was a preview as I was reading, guess I just have to wait to see of Bruce can stop a fucking plane
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>>83643845
He won't be able to. The cover characters Gotham and Gotham Girl will stop the plane, introducing the idea of these two metas who feel they're able to save Gotham from what Bruce can't.
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>>83643631
>Drawing traditionally
Are you blind? It's a poser model
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>>83643710
She's better than literally 90% of any other Big 2 colorists. And this is a legit argument because colorists are still underappreciated and exposing her more along with other cool people would lead to more people understanding coloring and better colorists getting hired
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>>83643631
>>83643510

what?

You do realize he pasted that onto a blank interiors page, right? Hence, why the stuff in the box is grayed and the outside is white.

Janin doesn't hide the fact that almost 100% of what he draws is digital. Take that fact, with the obvious Poser models, and it's pretty obvious that he uses them.

See: http://www.mikeljanin.com/
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>>83644043
She's not better than Loughridge, Fco or Ivan Plascencia, Dave Stewart or Marcelo Maiolo. She just does a lot of work, and sometimes her work plain sucks too.
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>>83644363
I would even take Mccaig and Anderson over her. But she's better than most of big 2 colorist, that's a fact.
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>>83644363
If they want to complement women colorist, Laura Martin and Ivan Plascencia are better than her.
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>>83644571
>Ivan Plascencia
>Woman
What
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>>83641796

Gotham (the new hero) is actually Bill 'CIA' Wilson. He survived the crash and gained superpowers. Gotham Girl was another victim of Bane's plane crashing spree, but survived like Bill.
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>>83641528
Kobra is going to be in Nightwing too
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>>83644485
Not really, she fucks up too often.
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>>83644363
>Loughridge, Fco or Ivan Plascencia, Dave Stewart
That's not "90% of the of any other Big 2 colorists". I'll give you some slack as I assume you're not actually retarded but wanted to show off some names. How many shit colorists can you name though?

In fact, everyone but Loughridge rarely works with the Big 2 unless it's drawn by the artist they've build a relationship through past works with.

Also, Marcelo Maiolo is fucking shit
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>>83641062
I see Jim never got the guidebook on how to instantaneously disappear when their back is turned when he was Batman.
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>>83645043
Maiolo never ruined an artist's pencils like Bellaire has done at least.
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>>83641037
>>83641049
One of these signals is not like the others.
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>>83641183
It's not. And he drew some of Morrison's Batman so I don't know why this place is bitching. Probably just a bunch of memers who only know him from Wonder Woman.
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>>83645348
>And he drew some of Morrison's Batman
So did Daniel, doesn't mean they did a good job of it. At least Daniel has improved since though, Finch...not so much. These previews look fine though. Let's see what he does for the second arc, he's notoriously slow.
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>>83645301
It's almost as if they're reflecting off of clouds. :^)
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>>83645348
>>83645404

Has a mediocre artist ever worked with Morrison?

He only grabs the best artists in the business and they're slow as fuck so then he has to grab the worst artists in the industry for fill-ins
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>>83645348
Finch is at his best when he draws characters posing with no backgrounds.
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>>83645589
Morales on Action was pretty mediocre.
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>>83645589
Daniel or Finch aren't the worst though. They're no Land or Henderson.
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>>83645589
His Batman run was sort of inconsistent. We had Andy Kubert, JH Williams, Paquette, Burnham but also Phillip Tan, Daniel and that guy who did the horrible 3D issue. I consider Cameron Stewart mediocre as fuck too. And his Action run was crippled by Rags Morales
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>>83645827

So you're saying he grabbed the best artists in the business but they were slow as fuck so then he had to grab the worst artists in the industry for fill-ins?
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>>83645909
There's far worse artists in the industry than Cameron Stewart, Tony Daniel and Philip Tan. Like, they aren't even close to the worst.
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>>83645827
Didn't he work with Dini, too?
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>>83646127
Dini is a writer, not an artist.
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Even some of Finch's WW was good. He was definitely phoning it in near the end but he's really not that bad. I prefer him to Lee at least.
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>>83646471
>Can Swamp Thing think plants are more valuable than humans?
Gee Wondy I wonder
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>>83646747
he is still robin
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>>83646747
Damian is still Robin. The black guy is Lark.
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>>83646747
>so why isn't damien robin
He still is. Duke is pretty explicitly not Robin.
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>>83646747
He is Robin still.
Duke is Lark or something.
Though the question is, why isn't Robin with Batman?
Possible answer- he's busy with the Teen Titans and Superboy.
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>>83646900
so robin is a solo hero now? wat
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>>83641094
It's awkward how they haven't given Duke a hero name yet and he's just "Duke". Also, what happened to no real names in the field?? Tsk, Batman.
Note quite feeling the King magic in Batman yet, but eh, I'll wait.
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Goldman it I just want to see the Lark costume in action
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>>83646927
Because otherwise he couldn't be in 3 other books if he had to stay in Gotham

>>83646967
Yes, Damian is 2cool4Batman and instead goes around making his team and not listening to what dumb adults tell him
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>>83646967
He was already solo before this anyway. Where have you been?
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>>83646967
He's branching out. He's in Teen Titans, and he'll have a team-up book with the new Superboy too. It's not that unusual to not have Robin in the main Batman book, though I admit I'd prefer if he was there.
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>>83646979
RIP Penny-one, may the rest of Snyder's contributions to the mythos quickly follow.
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>>83647030
i stopped reading consistently after morrison's batman. i thought black mirror was good but not great and I was generally underwhelmed by what little i read of the batman book so i skipped snyders run. i've just been reading grayson and am following king to this book.
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>>83647024
>instead goes around making his team and not listening to what dumb adults tell him
Pretty much every Robin has done this.
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>>83647220
Give Robin: Son of Batman a try.
Then decide if you want to follow Damian into Teen Titans and Super Sons.
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>>83646471
Damn, if Finch had this inker and colorist in Forever Evil the art wouldn't have sucked as it did
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>>83646471
>vegetative injustice

I didn't want to remember.
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>>83641037
What a good inker and colorist can do for a garbage artist.
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>>83641037
holy shit Finch drew this? Looks too.... clean, his Forever Evil art had a lot of stray lines to darken things up. This may not be that bad after all, what I'm worrying now is how much his art conflicts with Janin's art so it's gonna be terribly inconsistent
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>>83645771
I wonder, do Atomika and Johnny size play? Like does she ride his junk while shrunk?
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>>83642336
He looks like he was spawned from an Image founders cocaine orgy.
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>>83645771
>Ultraman looks like a twink
>Owlman's bulge

I see why Superwoman would fuck Owlman over Ultraman.
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>>83641021
>Tim Sale
Buying this variant if I can
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>>83648993
I dunno I don't feel like this is some of Sale's better works. A lot of shit looks really wonky, even for him. Like look at Bruce's face.
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>>83641010
>this is considered bad art
>>83641021
>this is considered good art

makes no fucking sense
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>>83645589
Tony Daniel, David Finch, Scott Eaton, Philip Tan, that garbage CGI crap, and some people will certainly call Kubert mediocre, Rags Morales.

I mean Morrison has worked with almost every mediocre artist not named Benes or Booth.
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>>83641021

Holy fuck does Sale Batman bring me back
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>>83641049
BatGordon is gone
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>>83650127
Has been for a couple issues now
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I like the idea. They've done things with planes in Gotham before but not usually like this. The last one had a biological weapon on board but landed normally.

Not a surprise or anything but I love how Gordon's talking about the missile just as it fires off in the background.

So many really good stories start with a crime that's already taken place or another disaster that Batman couldn't have stopped. The damage is done, so he can only do cleanup.

>clark and hal aren't going to answer in time
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>>83648768
It's the magic of having a good inker/colorist. Bellaire is a miracle worker.
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>>83650526
Yeah it'll probably be Gotham and Gotham Girl who get there in time to set up their characters.
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I'm more interested in who might be on the plane; is that damian? And will duke or bruce ever find out that alfred was responsible for we are robin?
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Not crazy about the ensemble cast some clumsy dialogue.
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>>83650891
>ensemble cast
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>>83641080
And people say Finch is terrible artist
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>>83650797
Are we seriously going to have to deal with Damianfag in every Batman storytime from now on? Fucking hell.
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>>83651126
Since Damianfag fluctuates between breaking Rules 3 and 6, you could always report and hide.
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>>83651126
Pretty much.

Until Teen Titans and Super Sons come out...in September.

Fuck.
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>>83651329
Those threads will just get shitted up tho
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>>83642716
He uses poser. Not that I care, his art looks pretty and he does great backgrounds.
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Bellaire on colors is going to be the unsung hero of this entire run.

He's a good part of the reason books like Vision, Moon Knight, etc have looked so damn good over at Marvel. Huge get for DC.
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>>83651507
>He
Bellaire's a grill. She's married to Declan Shalvey, I believe. They live together at least so I'm assuming they're married.
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>>83641049
Kobra? The Wally Flash villains?
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>>83651563
Ah. Them I stand corrected.

She's still fucking awesome.
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>>83650983
He isn't... when he's on the right character... He was a terrible choice for Wonder Woman
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>>83651507
Anyone who doubts Bellaire's skill isn't seeing that Moon Knight book. It's the most beautiful book across the big two at the moment.
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>>83646967
He's been a solo hero for a long time. Hell, that started with Tim.
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This is gonna link up with the Calendar Man story in Batman Rebirth right? There's a lot of questions I have from there. It was a very rushed story and didn't setup the stakes proper. How did he build such a huge underwater complex for his spore machine?
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>>83651732
I don't think so, pretty sure that's just a one-shot commentary on the cyclical nature of comics/Batman. And he's a supervillain, do you really need to see him building his Rube Goldberg machine?
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>>83651126
Ignore and report
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>>83651776
Well we don't need to see him build it, just a throwaway line saying how it came into his hands, a story should be complete and not sacrifice for pottery.
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>>83651827
Well I think it's complete how it is, a throwaway line is by its nature throwaway so why include it? Guess just a difference of opinion, but either way don't expect Calendar Man to be too relevant to the plot.
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Retailer exclusive variant covers.

Filename:
>Batman001_[Artist]_[Retailer]_(remarks)
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Colors by Peter Steigerwald
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>>83651874
It isn't important or needed. The guy is actually calling it pottery and speaking in memes. He has no valid point.
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>>83641010
Wait, didn't we just get Batman #1? Like, I just picked that up last week, I know I did, why is this also issue 1?
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>>83652301
That was Batman Rebirth #1, a oneshot

This is Batman #1, the start of a new arc
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>>83652243
To be less memey, it's because I didn't see the Rebirth issues as One Shots but more so launching points to start up the new major story. I felt that the Rebirth issue wrapped up too quickly when the whole scenario could've been better fleshed out as an arc.
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>>83652345
Tumbr Joker.
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>>83652330
What's the point of slapping the 1 on it? Why not just with DC Rebirth: Batman?
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Honestly I have no idea.I'm more interested in JLA.. Tom King is just shit.
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>>83652316
I wish he'd have been the artist on the whole run. I still flip through Noel sometimes, he was really good at making Gotham seem like a cramped squalor-filled shithole.
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I am so mad. I have been shit talking Finch CONSTANTLY
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>>83652758
Oh god that's so shitty.
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So kinda casualer then a lot of you guys, working on fixing this.
I stayed the fu k away from New52 out of spite for them screwing up everything cool going on with lobo and him never getting Sandman back. From what I understand the events of new 52 still happened but rebirth will be closer to before that? Does that mean lobo won't be nu metal rice rocket bike version? Do I till have to go back for storyline or is it all being retold again?
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>>83652788


Pays homage to Detective Comics #31 (1939) & Batman #227 (1970)
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>>83652882
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>>83652893
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>>83652929
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>>83652751
Good inkers and colorists can change art a lot, anon

Also it's the first issue so we'll have to see how he does near the end of the arc and in the second arc
He'll get more rushed and fuck up more probably
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>>83652969
Oh God, I'm laughing so hard I'm crying. Oh shit oh dear ...
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>>83652943
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>>83652868
You've got the right idea.
Mostly you just need to read DC Rebirth #1, and accept some shit as it's presented to you, unless you want to go through older issues.
Don't know about Lobo, except that the proper version was used in Injustice, and Nubo was looking scraggy last I saw him.
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>>83641010
It'll be refreshing not having narration over everything
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>>83652645
Wow, B&W is such an improvement.
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>>83653084
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>>83651126
And Superman storytime, as well.
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>>83653263
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>>83651573
Yeah. They appeared in Suicide Squad: Deadshot/Katana as well. Taking over Markovia.
Geo-Force doesn't have any powers.
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>>83653288
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>>83653316
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>>83653349
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>>83653288
Why does Batman have a metal hand here?
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>>83653451
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>>83652125
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>>83653452
Iron hand of justice.
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>>83652444
Because #1s sell like crazy, so having two #1s is better than having one, obviously.
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>>83652882
This is the ONLY good variant holy shit the other ones suck
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>>83653263
Oh god I hope Harley goes back to being a villain. She does not wear the antihero cape well.
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>>83641094
>call the Justice League

YES

YES

THAT IS ALL I EVER WANTED

BATMAN ACTUALLY FUCKING DELEGATING TO THE SUPERHUMANS HE HAS ON SPEED DIAL

IF THIS WERE STILL SNYDER'S RUN BATMAN WOULD HAVE ALREADY CAUGHT THE PLANE WITH AN ELABORATE TRANSFORMING BATMOBILE
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>>83641183
It's Bellaire that's making the difference
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>>83653510
>IF THIS WERE STILL SNYDER'S RUN BATMAN WOULD HAVE ALREADY CAUGHT THE PLANE WITH AN ELABORATE TRANSFORMING BATMOBILE
>implying it's not going to happen
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>>83653508
You don't like this one? >>83651896 I think it's my favorite out of the batch, your pick is good too though.
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>>83653509
Nice try, she'll be on Justice League, where she belongs.
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Now what do you think of all the Batman (2016) #1 variants so far?

Now Superman #1 and Titans Rebirth #1 variants remain (one of them will be up on CBR on Monday).
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>>83653537
Yeah the SJWs will have a fucking fit because she's tumblr's answer to Deadpool getting popular because of /b/
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>>83653620
What's the catch with Batman's shadow?
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>>83653620
Wish more of them had Gotham and Gotham Girl, I like their designs plus they are actually related to the arc. The others are just kinda like "here's a random Batman pin up, enjoy?"
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>>83649107
pleb taste will do that
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>>83652882

These are pretty sick.

>>83652758

I like this too, but that's probably due to BatCat bias.
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>>83652788
Dell'Otto is amazing. His DKIII cover was the best too.
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>>83653080
Cool, thanks.
Also really hoping Amanda Waller got over her bullemia. I hate Oprah but I pissed fire when they replaced her with viola Davis in Suicide Squad. I'm actually surprised the tumbltards didn't go crazy about body shaming or some shit. Figures the one time they can be useful the copp out on us.
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>>83652882
>Gotham Girl has a skirt
this pleases me
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>>83653937
It looks like she's slowing tacking on mass. I'm not sure she'll return to her original massive size but they'll probably settle for a chunky look or at least Viola Davis-esque. Also Oprah was never replaced, that was just fancasting that made it to the rumor mill.
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Anon you are making my face pic related. I'm going to let my tablet charge for a bit but before I power off I want yu to know you made this bitter old bastard have a little bit of hope for the future.
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>>83654126
>Star's face not Marco's
>Probably didn't need to be clarified
>Poledancing Zatanna unrelated.
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>>83653700
i still think The Gothams are place holders for Silk Spectre and Nite Owl and they'll be photoshoped out when the book actually comes out.
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