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Did the entire Civil War, Initiative and every related series
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Did the entire Civil War, Initiative and every related series prove Tony was indeed wrong?

Everything that he preached proved to be a bad idea, it made it easier for people to fall prey to villains and did nothing but hinder the heroes people count on to protect them.

Regardless of what the pro-registration side preached, everything the anti-registration side expressed concern over ultimately happened. The Skrulls, Norman Osborn, and so on.
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>>83638643
Marvel's entire history proves Civil War wrong. That's the problem. The pro-reg side might have the more sensible argument... if this was the real world. But it's not. It's a world where governments are obnoxious at best, outright evil at worst, and should not be trusted with managing the people who are actually trying to do the right thing. There's a reason most of the writers ended up writing pro-regs as Nazis; from the point of view of the Marvel Universe there is no way their side was the right one, so clearly they were the villains of the piece.
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>>83638643
Except Iron Man solo proved all the registration files were completely secure and never were used against the heroes. Norman couldn't do shit with it. And the only thing OMD/OMIT proved was that Parker is a complete retard.

anti-reg side never predicted the Skrulls either.
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>>83639044
>anti-reg side never predicted the Skrulls either.

The Skrulls were just the ones to take advantage of it. The network and framework set up by the SHRA made it easy for anybody who was able to infiltrate and take advantage of it.
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>>83638643
OP your problem is that you aren't a futurist. Tony Stark is a futurist.
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>>83638643
Tony was wrong because the plot demanded he be wrong. His ideas were right, but he wasn't allowed to win because of reasons.
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>>83639044
>Except Iron Man solo proved all the registration files were completely secure and never were used against the heroes. Norman couldn't do shit with it.

Only because Stark deleted everything, including his own brain.

>>83639003
Yeah, when even the government of Canada has spent decades running black-ops mutant-torturing facilities and trying to take over the world, you're not going to get much traction from registration.
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>>83639497
>he wasn't allowed to win because of reasons
This is true as well. Everything went wrong at the moment Clor malfunctioned and killed the nigga. Before that, the anti reg had almost no grounds to sustain their claims.
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>>83639569
>Before that, the anti reg had almost no grounds to sustain their claims.
Except the fact that US goverment just doesn't have what it takes to keep their Secret Identities safe.

Or can be trusted not to misuse that information.
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>>83639569
>Before that, the anti reg had almost no grounds to sustain their claims.

Apart from arresting Cap before the Registration Act was passed, which was illegal and implied a level of corruption among SHIELD and the government that Cap - who I believe about a month before that had discovered that the Red Skull was a senior government figure, disguised as a guy named "Dell Rusk".

I mean, the basic problem with the kind of government who wouldn't notice that the very right wing, faintly German-accented guy whose name is an anagram of "Red Skull" is actually the Red Skull, is that they're idiots and you clearly can't trust them with anything. When you get right down to it and right after the literal Red Skull has been in charge of large portions of the US, and people are being weird and making sex clones of Teutonic gods because why the fuck not amirite and it kind of feeds into the literal Nazi scientist cloning kids at your Initiative training camp and billionaires telling you to suck their dick and register, you probably wouldn't be convicted by any real court over resisting registration. Notably, Cap was killed before he could stand trial, but because of who he was he literally had to stand trial instead of just being dumped in the Negative Zone.

I mean sure, you could argue that the suspension of habeas corpus is all that stands between America and utopia, but that's the beauty of America. Even idiots are allowed to argue.
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