This has the clunkiest fucking dialogue I've ever read in anything.
The art is beautiful but it's hard to appreciate it when every character talks like they're in a bad historical romance novel. It's complete crap.
Why is it so well regarded?
It's a comic that's "big". Lots of characters, more characters on a single page than other comics have in an entire run. Death, lots of death, huge scenes of death, damage and destruction. It's history-making, the course of the universe is irrevocably changed forever.
For casuals, this is the same as being "good". It's the same reason that people buy events. Quality doesn't matter if you can convince a casual that a comic is "big" and/or "important".
The art
>>83630622
Kingdom Come isn't really good, but it's still worth reading. The art is easily its strongest aspect.
>>83630622
I'm sorry the book was to hard for you to read. You should look up comics by bendis. He only has a third grade level writing and should be right up your alley.
>>83630899
Yeah Alex Ross was really inspired by George Perez on Crisis on Infinite Earths. Which was an event comic done right
Got something for ya right here, OP. It's perfect for people like you!
>>83630622
>"... with a single bolt of lightning... "
The dialogue is CLASSIC. You're full of shit.
Isn't Kingdom Come just a rip-off of Marvels?
>>83630622
> Why is it so well regarded?
It's two fanboys complaining about everything wrong with comics in the 90's and jerking off over how great things were before. It's just like every Waid or Ross comic except Waid's second run on Legion of Super Heroes where he was just openly aggressive with old fans for not liking his new modern run
>>83631238
>It's two fanboys complaining about everything wrong with comics in the 90's and jerking off over how great things were before
I still don't know why people are so nostalgic for the Silver Age.
People like the art and it distracts them enough, which I guess is fair since comics are visual.
I'm not a fan of it though and I like a lot of 90s Waid. Just never did anything for me.
>>83631229
They're not alike at all aside from having the same artist. Marvels is better, though.
>>83630622
Because DC fans are delusional.
>>83631302
I get it. The Silver Age represents a period of incredible creativity. The people working then didn't really give a shit about continuity they just cranked out stories, ideas, and characters. At least to me that's what the Silver Age is.
The Silver Age nostalgia that I don't care for is " No Hal Jordan is MY Green Lantern!"
> That ending fight
It probably had the most depressingly realistic interpretation of how the world governments would respond to a bunch of insanely powerful heroes having a final stand ans they basically we're out of options
>>83631432
Wasn't that more the Golden Age?
![2063059-earth_x[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/b0yc07c.jpg "2063059-earth_x[1].jpg")
what does /co/ think off earth X
>>83631435
>still haven't read it but lurking because I'm curious
>automatically open image without reading the post
Why does this always happens to me? Why?
At this point I guess it serves me right for lurking into threads of things I haven't seen yet, but fuck this one hurt me badly.
>>83631469
It was the Silver Age too. You still had people who were stroytellers first not comicbook fans first
The big influx of fan talent was later
>>83631543
Earth-X is great. Someone storytimed it last week, it's probably still in the /co/ archive. It too is better than Kingdom Come, but less acclaimed.
>>83631435
Yeah I really love the imagery throughout the whole book. I love the art, and the ideas behind the plot, but it's so hard to enjoy because of the dialogue. Every character talks in this bizarre pseudo-antiquated tone that reads like the writing of a teenager who just read the first chapter of Fellowship of the Ring.
And EVERY CHARACTER talks this way! They all have the exact same speech patterns and mannerisms! For some reason a down-home evangelical pastor talks in the exact same way as the smartest man on earth, who talks exactly the same way as everybody else in the book.
I was seriously let down by it. My friends kept gushing to me about how good it was but it was a real chore to read.
>>83631238
>>83631302
>>83631432
All three of you are retarded.
See pic related because you're apparently too illiterate to understand anything on your own.
I swear, anyone born after 1990 has zero fucking reading comprehension.
>>83631597
>thinking writing = dialogue
this the kinda nigga reads britbong invasion writers
>>83631082
>>83631146
I don't get what you're trying to say. Everyone acknowledges that Kingdom Come has bad dialogue. It's not necessarily that it's poorly written in and of itself but the tone of what the characters are saying never matches the context of the scene
>That's what Wesley saw! The destruction of Kansas was truly the beginning of the end. For those who call themselves heroes now share a silent guilt!
And that's absolutely shit, not because of the way it's written, but because the context is a guy suddenly thrust into a chaotic situation trying to make sense of what's going on around him, but it reads like a prepared speech. It just doesn't work.
>>83631625
I don't have a problem with the writing, I quite like the plot and the way the characters behave makes perfect sense. But the way they talk doesn't.
>>83631672
>Everyone acknowledges that Kingdom Come has bad dialogue
Not even close. This poster even called you fags out on this shit: >>83631176
Never read it, but this art is ugly af, i think it's so
"realistic"
I have a question for you who are calling Kingdom Come 'not that good' etc.
What do you think of Crisis on Infinite Earths? Just curious.
>>83631707
But that line isn't dialogue.
>>83631724
I'm >>83630994
Crisis on Infinite Earths is legitimately great, one of the few events stories worth having, but it's so dense that it's only for dedicated comic fans.
>>83631707
That line is part of a monologue though, it's fine.
The problem is that the regular dialogue between characters just chatting to each other is written in a really flowery, clunky, purple prosey way. It works fine in monologue, especially in the story because the main character has time to collect himself, but it doesn't work in dialogue.
I really liked justice
>>83630622
>Why is it so well regarded?
The art, the scale and the idea behind it.
There are more comics like that. New Frontier for example. Cooke was a good artist, but not a writer.
>>83631543
My favourite elseworld story and also one of my favourite comics
It's visually impressive. Alex Ross' art suits it well, because his art is not dynamic and because of religious elements of the comic. Big battles seems to be canvases.
I can't really remember the dialogues and the writing. What's makes this comic worth is as I said the art, but also the designs of characters.
>>83630622
I didn't know Pepsiman could grow in size as well
![1280px-Pepsi_logo.svg[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/RH0BkM2.png "1280px-Pepsi_logo.svg[1].png")
>>83631865
As long as you've got the refreshing power of Pepsi™ on your side, noting is impossible!
The comic is literally 'NOT MUH' but the art is really nice.
>>83632045
This
>>83631716
Alex Ross' intent is to portray superheroes as larger than life mythic figures. They look like his friends in cheap Halloween costumes
>>83634029
>They look like his friends in cheap Halloween costumes
That's exactly what they are.
>>83634095
I know
![[Slapping and Clapping intensifies].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pUYrD60.jpg "[Slapping and Clapping intensifies].jpg")
>>83634088
>>83634094
Pls no.
>>83630622
who is this girl?
she cant be starfire because she`s dead in the story
>>83634136
> Jeph Loeb wrote Commando
Wait what?
>>83634245
Starfire and Nightwing's daughter
>>83634275
He wrote the script.
Screenwriter Jeph Loeb pitched his original idea to producer Robert Kosberg, who then partnered with Stephanie Brody, and together the two brought the spec script by Loeb to producer Joel Silver. Loeb states that the film was originally conceived as a vehicle for Gene Simmons, who passed, and later scripted with Nick Nolte in mind to play the lead as an out-of-condition former commando struggling with the demands of his mission. Walter Hill was originally involved in the development process. Kosberg and Brody were credited as Associate Producers.[4]
The original concept was for an Israeli special forces–Mossad agent who, sick of the continual death and destruction in the Middle East, emigrates from Israel to the United States, where he is forced out of his self-imposed retirement after his daughter is kidnapped. This was modified and further adapted when Schwarzenegger was cast; some of the original dialogue can be heard in the deleted scenes when Matrix says he regrets his past actions.
>>83631724
there was filler in some parts and the monitor and anti monitor were one note
Aww shit I have been reading this from right to left. I want to die.
>>83634088
I can see Wondies ass
>>83631546
Shit sorry I clicked on spoiler but I guess it didn't go through
>>83634635
The red/green Joker's daughter on that page
Brian Azzerellos wife Jill Thompson was the model for that character
a bit of trivia for you /co/
>>83634323
no this is her
>>83634909
that was harlequin
>>83634245
Modern Red Tornado. Eventually inttoduced for real in John's JSoA.
I love Kingdom Come. No complaints.
>>83631607
So Magog was supposed to represent the typical "gritty and dark" heroes of the 90's while Superman was supposed to represent classic super heroics?
>>83630622
because you have shit taste.
>>83634165
Was the bat and eagle fighting supposed to foreshadow Batman and Wonder Women?
>>83630622
Honestly, although Alex Ross's art is one of the most praised parts, I didn't like it.
I think he's a great artist, but his ultra-realistic style really highlights how silly superhero costumes are. Especially since he has an obsession with Golden Age heroes and designs, which look even more ridiculous when Ross does them.
>>83635186
>>83635160
This is pretty easy symbolism to untangle fellas. Use your thinkin' brains.
>Alex Ross is bad because he illustrates really well but doesn't edge up the character designs thus making me fully aware I'm reading a gay comic for babies
lol
>>83635078
Is that Donna and Roy?
>>83635606
Yup
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Donna_Troy_%28Earth-22%29
>>83635594
>Holy God!
>>83631145
Crisis on Infinite Earths was not done right at all. It was nothing but a huge clusterfuck of character transitions all happening in the same panel. Tiny conflicts went away like blips. All I was thinking the entire time was "just fucking kill the anti-Monitor already"
>he thinks the art is good
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>>83631672
You're just wrong and stupid about being wrong. You make the world a worse place by existing.
Goddamn the storytime sure murdered any decent discussion.
