>>83607241
Marvel does it again!

>>83607241
FUCK REBIRTH, BASED SPENCER

>>83607241
So is this shit gonna sell better than SSM?

I think the DC ones all went in last week. WW was first wasn't it?

>bleedingcool

>>83607241
>S-s-see guize. I w-was right. Marvel w-wins...

>>83607241
The piss'em off approach is never going away is it.

>>83607344
Marvel always sell ludicrously when they incite rage

>>83607383
Not until it stops working and everytime someone goes "THIS time its going to bite them in the ass" it ends up doing better than even they anticipated.

I can guarantee that this was just going to be a one arc deal until the rage blew up and then they told Spencer to turn it into the basis for the entire run rather than just an arc.

People getting angry about it are literally responsible for it lasting longer than it would have. Just like Jane Thor. Just like Superior Spider-man.

Congratulations, folks. I'm pretty hype for Captain HYDRA so I don't really mind.

>>83607383
No

>"They all want CAPTAIN AMERICA #1 due to the controversy. Had a guy in that last came in to buy a comic when AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #36 (Twin Towers) comic came out. Zero interest in reading anything – just wanted to get ‘the comic where Caps a Nazi’."

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>>83607241
I told you lads.

>>83607241
SM/DP is just shitting money at this point.

Oh boy, this means we'll get more shitty gimmicks like this.

Fuck comic books fans.

>>83607241
*spreads asshole*

good stuff

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>doubting the Marvel method of selling comics
Haha you fools!

>>83607383
I hate people.

>>83607812
>His mission is to further the goals and beliefs of Hydra," explained Brevoort. "If that involves taking down the Marvel universe, sure. (But) it may not be as simple as that. It’s not like he’s exchanged his white hat for a black hat — it’s a green hat. We knew it would be like slapping people in the face. The idea of Captain America means something very primal and very strong to the people of this nation, and they have a very visceral reaction when you get to something like that. You want people to feel and react to your story. So far, so good."

How do they do it?

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>>83607525
>>83607383
I almost feel bad for DC

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>mfw Rebirth got left in the dust by a goddamn "wat a tweest" issue
It's not like I care about companies "winning", but this shit is hilarious.

>>83607968
>that pic
Comic fans are fucking retarded holy shit

>>83607812
I haven't bought a marvel comic since 2013.

>>83608008
>by a goddamn "wat a tweest" issue

Forget about that, look at those Deadpool/Spider-Man numbers.

Like, people actually thought Marvel needed to worry about Rebirth, they can just publish 2 of their characters together and the casuals will eat it up.

>>83608008
>tfw Rich was right when he said Marvel would win

Not only did it steal Rebirth's spotlight when it actually came out, more people came to know about Hydra Cap than Rebirth thanks to MCU, and there's a chance the storyline will get extended like Jane as Thor and Superior spider man did thanks to it selling so well.

marvel can't keep getting away with this

>>83608068
At least the casuals are eating up something good for once. Spider-man/Deadpool is both the best Spider-man book and the best Deadpool book out right now.

>>83608149
>here's a chance the storyline will get extended
If by chance you mean certainty, then yeah. Issues 3 and 4 were both delayed by 2 weeks almost definitely so that Spencer could do rewrites to better accommodate a longer storyline.

>>83608227
>this will last through Marvel Nower into the next relaunch
But I don't want to read about nazis for a year and a half.

>>83607968
Big Bang also said Rebirth was crushing CWII in their store

>>83608068
Those are advance reorders. Presumably most shops are ordering high amounts of Rebirth books already

I'm a little surprised to see Nightwing and HJGLC on there though

>>83607269
I hate this. If something pisses you off DON'T FUCKING BUY IT. PIRATE.

>>83607295
This is just comic stores ordering them, it has nothing to do with actual sales. It seems like a lot of people are vastly overestimating negative press and it's impact.

>>83608504
why the fuck are you reading it in the first place?

>>83608572
>If something pisses you off DON'T FUCKING BUY IT. PIRATE.

Is this bait? I have to ask before I make a serious reply.

>>83608504
Well too bad, the casuals, moviefags, and tumblrites made sure that there was sufficient outrage.

At least take solace in the knowledge that for once its not us comic fans' faults like Jane Thor and Superior Spider-man were.

>>83608008
Only the best ad campaign money can buy from Disney.
>Chris Evans, stop fucking that whore and pose with this comic book and make a tweet about it. Remember, you're legally obligated by contract to fulfill your terms.

>>83608645
I'm not because I don't want to read about nazis, anon
I just said so

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>>83608572
Or just, y'know, DON'T READ IT.

>>83608572
>>83608663
Honestly, just don't buy it or read it.

Christ, I wish mouthbreathers would stop falling for Marvel's blatant outrage tactics.

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>>83607241
>publicity and marketing actually does sell comics
gee gosh, who would've thought.

It still won't sell that well. Captain America has never been that strong a seller.

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>>83607241
>The incredible amount of negative publicity for Captain America: Steve Rogers #1 that saw the comic, the creative team and the publisher slammed for anti-Semitism by revealing that Steve Rogers has always been a Hydra operative has had one major effect. comic book retailers have upped their orders for the book, more additional orders than the much hyped Civil War II #3, more than all the DC Rebirth titles, more than anything.
Why are people so stupid?

This is comic shops adjusting their order based on an unexpected surge in interest. Comic shops ordered big on things like Adventures of Superman 500 and Back in Black because of past interest, only for it to nip them in the ass when the hype died down

Coming off the heels of the sites like Yahoo saying comics are a better investment than stocks, it's not wonder gimmicky shit like this is the best seller

>>83608847
Jane sold better than Thor until they fucked up and relaunched so there is a chance that the publicity for this will make this Cap volume sell more than the others did.

>>83607241
hey Future Quest is on that list neat.

>>83607241
B-but, nobody cares about Cap or Marvel! All the c-cool kids are converting to DC, Rebirth is the best comic of the century!

I find the companies pissing contest among fans ridicolous

>>83608887
anon please, it's obviously Rebirth failing and Marvel winning AGAIN.

As if Marvel needed more proof that RAGE sells.

>>83608847
Superior spider man sold better than previous spider man and Jane as Thor sold better than Thor

Rage makes marvel's sales go up

>>83608984
My favorite part is people here being like

>fucking casuals, why do they fall for this cheap Marvel marketing ploy and for DC's cheap marketing ploy!

>>83607241
I feel like this story is going to be remembered in the same way as when the Punisher was black.
>haha do you guys remember that story where Captain America was Hydra? The 2010s were a weird time for comics!

>>83607241
>Anti-Semetism
Are there actually people who think this is a pro-Nazi story?

>>83609067
That it'll be remembered at all would make it more notable than the majority of Captain America runs.

You stupid drones are a cancer killing quality storytelling. No one should be excited about this.

>>83607968
DRONES CONFIRMED FOR ETERNAL PLEBS

>>83609102
Idiot tumblrites, yes. Lotta people sending death threats to Spencer and Brevoort for promoting anti-Semitism. One veteran send Brevoort one where he said that Captain America's moral code was the only thing that kept him from becoming a monster, and now that Cap is a nazi, he has no reason to not let the monster loose and that his first act as a monster would be to hunt Brevoort down and torture him.

>>83609067
It's a standard "good guy appears to be bad for a while" story, it's been done for decades. Heck, we just recently got over SpOck. Only difference is we knew since the beginning why Spidey was acting weird

>>83609102
I dared to comment one of Spencer's tweets and a guy started spamming to me a pic of half-dead jews in a detention camp, saying "IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT?"
Checking out his profile it appeared the dude had been doing it for hours, all pictures about nazis and holocaust claiming that was what Marvel was supporting and that Spencer had to be fired

I MUST believe that was a troll, it was absurd

>>83609147
no one is, this is stores adjusting their orders (I'm betting for variants, I mean god damn I hope it's for fucking variants). This will never mean much since Marlel has a fuck ton of incentive covers for each of their book, no shit their orders will always be inflated

>>83609147
I'm excited for it and nothing you do can stop me. In fact, your absolute vitriol over that fact only makes me more excited.

Hail HYDRA.

>>83607241
>People want to see what happens next.
It says retailers upped their shit, nothing about the sales yet.

>>83609217
If it was for variants than it would have been done in the initial orders and not re-orders.

>>83607968
I wouldn't, they're killing it in the market that matters

bookstores

>>83608887
>Coming off the heels of the sites like Yahoo saying comics are a better investment than stocks,

Was this that one where they said comics were a better investment than stocks and pointed to Batman Adventures #12? Cause that was hilarious if you really knew the time period that comic was published in and why THAT would be getting a lot of money and not anything else.

>>83609199
To be fair, people who tweet are subhuman and deserve no respect.

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>>83609199
Some people are kind of crazy.

This is from brevoort's tumblr.

>>83609302
He should have replied with the Navy Seals copypasta.

>>83609286
Is that true? That's nice actually.

>>83609362
They're #2, Marvel is #5

>>83609302
>navy seals copypasta

>>83609377
#1 is Scholastic I'm guessing? Who are the other ones?

>>83609410
I think first is TWD, actually

>>83609410
Image is third I would imagine. They get most of their sales through trades.

>>83608857
and this logic is what hurts comics more than anything. the interest never last and it is burning out fans and keeping new fans away.

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>>83609302
>Reporting someone who has served and is disabled to the authorities

>>83607241
>Captain America #2 Most Returned Comic in History

>>83609425
The Walking Dead isn't a publisher. Do you mean Image?

>>83609425
Bookscan list has Dork Diaries at the top and by extension Scholastic as the top earning company. Walking Dead is the top GN that's also available at a comic shop.

>>83609410
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/tilting-at-windmills-bookscan-2015-analysis

>Scolastic
>DC
>Simon & Schuster
>Image
>Marvel

>>83609451
You can't return comics through Diamond.

>>83609410
>>83609442
>>83609425
Yeah, Scholastic is first (but they only took that last year, DC was consistently #1 before that), but Image is actually #4 after Simon and Schuster

>>83609451
Marvel actually doesn't do returns.

>>83609451
pretty sure comics aren't returnable through diamond, at least marvel ones

>>83609507
>>83609522
>>83609525
Well I guess I'll go fuck myself

>>83609507
Actually, they can do it if the company gives an offer. Like for instance, DC with Rebirth.

But as far as I can tell, Marvel doesn't do returns.

>>83609494
Nice, I need to read more Scholastic actually.

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People screaming about this as the death of comics are as silly as those screaming about Marvel supporting nazis

Way worst things happen, costantly. You're only getting more triggered about this because casuals will eat it up for a while, and because sensationalism is becoming people daily bread on the internet

>Bendis event gets outshined by Captain America
>Bendis will want to write Captain America now

>>83607241
Wait they think people were mad because it was anti semantic

For fucks sake bleeding cool

>>83607241
>The incredible amount of negative publicity for Captain America: Steve Rogers #1
Once again, it just goes to show that there's no such thing as bad publicity.

>>83607525
But if it goes for to long won't it fuck with new readers

>>83609819
But there were people who were mad because they thought it was antisemitic.
They caught on pretty quick that it wouldn't last for forever but were disgusted by it anyway.

>>83608670
What makes you say it's not our fault this time did it get out into the general public?

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>>83608670
>At least take solace in the knowledge that for once its not us comic fans' faults like Jane Thor and Superior Spider-man were.

Wat

>>83609302
Well if you cut away the guys clear mental illness he's not wrong

Also a ligitimante death threat as opposed to what a fake one

>>83609782
It's gonna happen

>>83609233
Sorry no one took your bait, anonymous. Here's a reply for ya.

>>83607241
I guess people just love eating shit

>>83609992
Yes? Dude it was on my fucking local news channel in bumfuck nowhere, that's how general public this shit got. It was all over every mainstream news channel and site and was the highest trending hashtag in the world on twitter for the day it happened.

99% of the outrage from this came from people who had never read a comic in their lives.

>>83609782
Whatever it takes to get him out of Guardians.

>>83610041
The vast majority of outrage for this came from casuals, moviefags, and just your general populace rather than actual comic fans/readers.

In the case of Spock and femThor, those were cases of just comic fans getting really outraged by it. This time, comic fans went "wait, why is everyone outraged? This is just a completely ordinary final splash page cliffhanger" while the non-comic readers went "CAP IS A NAZI? NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!"

>>83610852

yeah, it's kind of weird that the actual comic readers are the rational ones in all this shit

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>>83607241
Give me the Sales numbers

>>83610852
I think you're getting the "angry fans = instant buyers" logic a bit too literally here. Outrage creates buzz and all, but one doesn't have to be outraged to buy the book. I really don't have an hard time believing many comic fans bought the book without getting angry at it at all, just like i for example, despite being what people usually call "Peterfag", was more curious than mad when i started buying Superior (well, of course i'm just speaking for myself)

>>83609992
>did it get out into the general public?

Did you not look at newssites? There's usually an article or two up about this during that week.

Holy shit. I already forgot about this garbage.

>>83611015
>despite being what people usually call "Peterfag"

You mean what you call "Peterfag." No one used that term until the mock outrage fighting on /co/ and it's always used by the same one or two people who stage arguments.

>>83610788
Well fuck
Hooray it's not our fault

>>83611097
I know it's a pointless bait-word, that's why i phrased it that way. I guess i should've said "some people"

>>83607627
Is it good? I'm kind of interested in it.

>>83611576
Yeah it's decent. Even throws in a possible wrench at OMD/OMIT.

>>83611625
A wrench in omd would be nice but whats omit?

>>83611576
It's written by Kelly so it's a lot better than a shameless cash-in should be. The first issue was a little to "zany" for me but the later issues toned it down and got a lot better

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So honest question: Why doesn't DC know how to capitalize on negative publicity and controversy most of the time? Is their marketing/PR department just holey incompetent or do they have something in Warner Brother's company policy that prevents them from deliberately trying to create bad press for the sake of publicity

>>83611650
OMIT was the sequel to OMD, where they established that the deal MJ makes with Mephisto is that Mephisto leaves Peter alone for the rest of his life. In Spider-Man/Deadpool Mephisto shows up briefly to taunt Peter.... which if OMIT holds, means that he's broken the deal already.

>>83611705
I think there trying it with Superman but it doesent really seem to work out there sales just remain steady nobody is dropping or picking it up because of the shitty costumes its just bitching and moaning that doesent effect anything.

>>83611705
Actually you know that's a good question. DC does a lot of things that gets fans enraged but those don't actually translate into sales. So it's clear that it has its limits.

>>83611765
Excellent

>>83611705
I don't think it works for DC as much

Also they've been having negative shit said about them for ages now so it wouldn't be anything new

>>83607241
Played like a goddamn fiddle!

>>83611705
>Is their marketing/PR department just holey incompetent
Yes. Completely and absolutely incompetent. They just don't know how to spin bad press in their favor which is marketing 101.

>>83607525
Marvel readers can't blame nobody but themselves t b h

>this shit actually works

>>83607525

Why be hype for it? We've seen this plot before. He is mind controlled or whatever and it will be set back in Sox issues. 12 at most. It's so cheap.

>>83611705
I've no idea why, but DC's PR department is indeed not very good, or at least not as slick as Marvel's.
I'm glad they're not really pulling shit like that, though. I can live without child molester Batman and Nazi Superman in my life, thanks.

>inb4 Batman is already a child molester

>>83607383
What someone needs to do is get everyone made and then turn out a really good book that hooks a good amount of the hate readers.

>>83607241
Donde Estan Los cifras de ventas?

the Flash Rebirth special sold out in an hour today while I can still buy Captain America #1 here

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>>83612083
>Nazi Superman
but?

>>83612083
If ASBAR can out today there'd probably be a bigger shitstorm over it than there was back then lol

>>83612187
the Mastermen multiversity issue was interesting

>>83612083

The news sites work against them. Like Marysues DCYou is trying to hard to be diverse or pushing Marvel relaunches but bashing DC ones. Or that article where a writer admitted they had been railing against DC for a lack of female and POC titles only to realize when Marvel canceled Ghost Rider and X23 they were canceling the only two of those hey had while DC was in actuality publishing about four times that number.

>>83612187
Damn it.

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>>83611849
They blew their wad in the 90's.

-Dead Superman
-Crazy Evil Hal Jordan, replaced with Kyle Rayner
-Batman's back broken, replaced with Azrael
-Wonder Woman replaced with Artemis
-Dead Oliver Queen, replaced with Connor Hawke
-Killed Clark Kent

I think I'm forgetting a couple

>>83612295
I completely agree, but I don't know why. I mean, it has got to do with the MCU somehow, but the relation between movie sales and comic sales is so shaky that I don't know how much it really does.
I've always liked DC better, so I never quite got the appeal.

>>83611765

Scott won't allow it.

>>83611849
>Also they've been having negative shit said about them for ages now so it wouldn't be anything new

Yeah but so has Marvel.

>>83609540
I get the vague feeling that a bunch of people are going to buy it so they can burn it in effigy or some shit.
Which is dumb, because they're still paying for it.

>>83610899
We're all just too damn jaded to care.

>>83612295
>Or that article where a writer admitted they had been railing against DC for a lack of female and POC titles only to realize when Marvel canceled Ghost Rider and X23 they were canceling the only two of those hey had while DC was in actuality publishing about four times that number.
Link? Source?

>>83612295
>>83612376
I think it's less MCU and more the press having a grudge against people at DC (ie Didio, Berganza, Harras) and/or being friends with people at Marvel.

It also probably helps that Marvel is amicable to most of its freelancers compared to DC, so in turn Marvel doesn't get shittalked about as much as DC does (notice how Fraction, Brubaker, Hickman, and others stopped doing Marvel stuff? But both sides seem amicable.)

>>83611097
It should be noted that awhile ago Nuzlocke admitted to spreading that "Peterfag logic" collage on /co/ as a joke.

>>83612474

I certainly don't think the MCU. It predates that. It falls on the way DiDio treats the press compared to Marvel. There is bad blood there. The Berganza stuff just made it all worse.

>>83612473

I can't find it at the moment. On my phone. It gets posted in threads about the Marvel media bias a lot though I am sure someone has it.

Meanwhile, at Marvel Comics HQ in scenic New York City...
>Holy shit, we've got record numbers for Captain America 2!
>Rebirth? More like Afterbirth!
>Too true, my friend, too true! But our greatest challenge comes next: How do we repeat the success?
>Easy peasy, my guy, easy peasy. You know how Cap is Hydra, despite fighting against Hydra his whole life?
>Sure, sure.
>Just replace Cap with somebody else, like Sam Falcon.
>Oh, I see where you're going with this.
>Instead of "Hail Hydra", it's "Lynch the darkies."
>I don't think we can say that anymore.
>You know what I mean. But that's the plan. Just repeat everything we just did, and hope that nobody notices.

>>83612773

That is the Marvel way!!

>>83612605
IIRC one of the reasons Outhousers takes shots at DC a lot is that Bob Harras or whoever cut off contact with them over an article that took shots at DC. Possibly satirical, but I don't know.

It kind of seems similar to how Harras had a column on CBR but then stopped doing it abruptly.

>>83611705
There are two possible explanations for me:
>1
DC's controversial calls seem to be permanent, for example New 52 seemed to be permanent at the time, so instead of causing anger and bringing in readers they just cause anger. Nobody buys into the "what will they do to get out THIS one!" premise that fuels a bunch of Marvel's controversies.

>2
DC's changes just plain and simple aren't scandalous or clickbaity enough. Like Rebirth, try explaining the concept in under a sentence and keeping the attention of normies at the same time. It's not "CAP IS A NAZI" levels of simplicity.

>>83608857
>"Comic fans toay seem to need their purchases to 'count' in a massive way"
Because the issues are overpriced, you fuck. If the prices were lower, they'd just buy every issue of a comic they liked.

>>83613477
>DC's changes just plain and simple aren't scandalous or clickbaity enough. Like Rebirth, try explaining the concept in under a sentence and keeping the attention of normies at the same time. It's not "CAP IS A NAZI" levels of simplicity.
This, pretty much. DC's changes are more complex, such as "The post-Flashpoint Superman met with his pre-Flashpoint counterpart and later died, though now it looks as if he's come back to life during an altercation between the pre-Flashpoint Superman and Lex Luthor," and "It's been revealed that Wonder Woman's multiple and conflicting origin stories are the result of an unseen force fucking with her," or even "Batman and Batwoman are cousins through Bruce's mom."

Meanwhile, over at Marvel, "Captain America was a Nazi the whole time," "Thor is Jane Foster," and "Iron Man and Captain Marvel are fighting over whether or not they should take heed of visions and predictions bestowed upon an Inhuman."

>>83613782
more like Bendis saw Minority Report and thought Pre-crime was something they could fight about

I hope this somehow leads to another speculator's boom.

>>83612077
Because I like "superhero becomes evil temporarily" storylines. I'm not some casual that thinks this is permanent. That doesn't mean you can't enjoy it for what it is.

Superior Iron Man was great. Injustice is dumb fun. Superior Spider-man Team-up was solid. And I usually like Spencer's books. He's definitely had some misses, but I'm willing to give him an arc at least.

The cape genre is predicated on cheap gimmicks. Plenty of enjoyable superhero stories are thanks to cheap gimmicks.

>>83613904
go read Axis

>>83612040
But the people responsible this time aren't Marvel readers. They're moviefags.

Since Marvel seems eager to pander to the sjw crowd now, shouldn't their outrage ploys be targeted at offending them predominantly?

>>83609861
Superior Spider-man lasted 31 issues.

>>83613933
I did. It was fun. Best line-wide event comic Marvel has done since Onslaught Saga.

But Steve wasn't effected by AXIS so we never got to see him go evil there.

>>83613953
It was, and it worked.

>>83613953
Who do you think are the ones offended by this? Cause it sure as fuck isn't /pol/ that are going "THIS IS ANTI-SEMETIC. STRAIGHT WHITE MEN SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO WRITE CAPTAIN AMERICA!!!!!"

>>83614028
You could say they managed to offend sjw types and anti-sjw types in one fell swoop, which is pretty slick.

>>83614060
Yeah, if nothing else, Marvel has mastered the art of trolling. I'd rather they master the art of telling good stories, but there's still something respectable in their ability to generate outrage then turn that to their advantage.

>>83613998
Kluh was the dumbest thing ever

I loved it

>>83614116
>when Banner gets mad he becomes Hulk
>when The Hulk gets sad he becomes Kluh
Cape comics are at their best when they're being dumb.

>>83607241
This isn't important. Third issue drop-off is going to show how many people are really interested.

>>83607241
>Captain America #2 Gets More Advance Reorders
>Reorders
It's like people don't even understand what fucking words mean. These are for reorders only, not total orders.

Rich is deliberately trying to spin this to sound like total sales numbers instead of what it actually means which is just stores upping their initial order for #2 from what they previously did.

Reminder that Rich is a massive Marvel shill
>DC rebirth was the trial run. Marvel wins

>>83607241
Rich, will you ever stop being such a cuck and just close your shop?

>>83614346
This too.

>Captain America #2 Gets More Advance Reorders Than Any Other Comic

Comics fans are such dipshits. You reward them for doing stupid shit and stupid shit is what you get.

>>83615558
>You reward them for doing stupid shit and stupid shit is what you get.

I don't understand who "you" refers to in this sentence. The publisher?

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>>83607968
>>83608149
>>83608670
>>83608794
>>83608857
>>83609190
>>83609147
>>83609199
THIS IS THE OBLIVION MACHINE

THIS IS MODERN COMIC BOOKS

NO IMAGINATION

NO DREAMS

NO ADVENTURE

JUST CHARACTERS SUFFERING AND YOU WATCHING THEM SUFFER

EMPTY IS THY HAND

>>83616422

People who buy the issues.

>>83618165
Oh all right, that makes sense.

>>83614346
>Reminder that Rich is a massive Marvel shill
The vast majority of Rich's shill mill articles are him shitting on Marvel. The fuck are you on about? He does ONE article that isn't shitting on Marvel and suddenly he's a Marvel shill?

If anything, he's an Avatar Press shill.

>>83608043
>I haven't bought a marvel comic since 2013.

You don't matter to anyone though

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>>83618787
The relationship fans have to comics really is like a BDSM relationship to a dark Grant Morrison god.

"I...I don't want character X to be dead/raped/beaten/traumatized/a Nazi. In fact, I hate it! But I must buy the comic because...I hate it!"

Comic fans love bad, hate good. It's a pathetic relationship.

>>83618420
Are you kidding? Almost every DC article he writes has some sort of dig at them or is presented in a negative light. Whereas he does the exact opposite for Marvel articles, everything is given a positive spin.

>Cap #1 gets more advance reorder copies
>Another week, another chance for DC Comics to reprint their Rebirth line. They only came out today…
>Civil War #3 getting midnight release
>Flash Rebirth #1
>What, like a creator-owned comic book series being co-opted by contract into the basis for a corporate continuity against the wishes, or even knowledge, of its creators? That does indeed sound very personal.
These are just from today's articles.

and of course let's not forget
>DC rebirth was the trial run. Marvel wins
He even got into a bunch of arguments in his own comment section when people called him out for that bullshit when Rebirth turned out to be much bigger than the Cap Hydra shit.

The guys a shill by any definition.

>>83607646
>implying it wasn't MCU Civil War fangirls that did this

1. Comics have done this shit forever. "Surprise reveal last panel!" Somehow this time is different because of younger readers who never read shit.

2. I'll read it. Not because of hype, but because the first issue was fairly decent. I like Steve Rogers Cap.

I'll see where it goes and if it proves to be shit I'll stop reading it.

>>83619381
>The guys a shill by any definition.
He's to Marvel what The Outhousers are to DC. That you somehow can't see that is pretty sad.

I don't understand the company loyalty people on /co/ or IRL.

If it's a book I enjoy I will read it. I don't care what logo is on the front.

>>83620186
DC has new books that look fun. Future Quest, Aquaman, Flash. I'll wait to see on a few others.

Marvel has a few I like. The Star Wars titles, New Punisher so far, Ant-Man, Dr. Strange is ok.

I really like Valiant books right now. X-O Manowar, Rai, Bloodshot, Eternal Warrior.

Some Image, Fables, Savage Dragon is schlock but I like it, Invincible.

There's a few others that I read from other companies. I don't get the hardcore loyalty thing.

>>83619381
Kid, Marvel hates Rich, or at the very least doesn't like him. He's always shitting on them. Remember all those where are the X-Men posts he's been posting these past years?

The fact that you read
>DC rebirth was the trial run. Marvel wins
as pro-Marvel shilling, instead of what it is, an accurate prediction of social media trends, tells me all I need to know about your reading comprehension.

>>83620585
>an accurate prediction of social media trends
Fuck off Rich.

>>83620719
How was it not an accurate prediction of social media trends?

>>83620776
>what are meaningless buzzwords for 500
and EVEN if I accept that those words actually mean something what the fuck does
>DC rebirth was the trial run. Marvel wins
have to do with social media trends? Was there a footnote I missed?

>>83620719
>it's a DC kid is triggered thread

Sorry kid, but it's accurate. Enjoy 2nd place.

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>>83613843
>something they could fight about
It's been a while since I get to post this.

>>83620957
>it's accurate
Rich's own weekly article thing about what's selling from the LCS guys themselves virtually all had Rebirth selling way more than Cap #1. The same from a bunch of other LCS people that tweeted about their weekly sales.

But Cap got more literally meaninglessness sjw OUTRAGE on twitter so that was the bigger hit? how?

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I'm beginning to think I may not live long enough to see the end of the Clickbait Era. Journalism, comic books, it's all fucked. And ten years from now no one will look back on any of this shlock with fond memories, because nothing that sells based on outrage alone ever seems to have any real value or quality.

>>83620934
OK, since you apparently have trouble understanding words, let me explain it to you. Rich, knowing about both the Cap leak and the Rebirth leak, anticipated that the Cap leak would blow up on social media and the outrage and buzz surrounding it would drown out Rebirth's come Wednesday.

On Wednesday, the outrage and buzz around the Cap twist was the highest trending hashtag (which is what twitter, the arbiter of social media, uses to corral certain topics) in the world. Likewise, the hydra twist was all over practically every news station in the country and had articles written about it across countless news sites and blogs. In contrast, Rebirth was a minor blip on the radar when it came to social media and general public's awareness of it, as the only people who particularly cared were actual comic reader, who are a tiny niche. Thousands versus millions.

I'm not getting involved in your precious little console war pissing match. I'm stating facts here. I'm sorry that facts hurt your feelings but that's no excuse to throw a temper tantrum about it. Convincing yourself of your own delusions while accusing everyone that states facts you disagree with to be a shill for "the competition/enemy/other" is unhealthy and childish.

The facts are:
>Rich predicted that the hydra twist would get significantly more buzz on social media than rebirth
>The following day, the hydra twist got significantly more buzz on social media than rebirth
That's all. It's not a judgement of quality one way or the other anyways. Not everything is part of your precious us vs. them circlejerk that you've convinced yourself is a hill to die on rather than just you getting brainwashed by megacorporations into defining yourself by a media property.

Drop the fanboy-ism and grow up. If you're old enough to post on 4chan then you're too old to obsess over console warring.

>>83618124
could someone storytime ultra-comics?

>>83621257
>ten years from now no one will look back on any of this shlock with fond memories
I dunno. A bunch of people said the same thing about the 90s, yet here I am, having plenty of fond memories about pouches, huge guns, and lack of feet.

>>83621257
>comic books
>it's all fucked

Nope, stop reading big 2 shit, outside it's wonderful.

>>83621439

That's because things are so bad now that those days seem so much better by comparison.

Which makes me afraid of how awful things would have to get for me to pine for the days where all we had to deal with was stuff like Jane Thor and Angela.

>>83621336
>the Cap twist was the highest trending hashtag
>all over practically every news station in the country
>had articles written about it across countless news sites and blogs.
Yet Rebirth still far outsold it. So in your mind Rich, the "winner" isn't the one that sold the most copies, it's the one that get's the most hashtags from people that've never picked up a comic in their lives?

>Rich predicted that the hydra twist would get significantly more buzz on social media than rebirth
You predicted no such fucking thing. But lets, for arguments sake, say you're correct. When you said
>DC rebirth was the trial run. Marvel wins
despite no mention of social media only*.....so fucking what? Who cares is a bunch of normies that don't read or pay for comics lost their shit on twitter over something they heard on facebook? It means literally nothing. Even with all that OUTRAGE the issue still couldn't outsell Rebirth.

But in your bizarre world where success is measured by the number of tweets I fully concede that Cap #1 got more attention.....but that's not what you were talking about when you made your statement Rich. No matter how much you retroactively try to make it seem like you were totally only talking about twitter buzz, not actual sales, it's not going to make you any less of a fucking hack Marvel shill.

>>83621808
I mean, after all is said and done Marvel will still be #1, so Marvel wins.

>>83622003
No they won't. People will get tired of relaunches, 3.99 prices, pushes for 4.99 prices, events, and Cap doesn't even sell that high.

>>83622056
Great moment for DC to reboot their entire line and charge $6 a month for their comics!

>>83622146
6 dollars for 40 pages is better than 4 or 5 dollars for 20 pages

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>>83621418
There's no need. We're living in it right now.

>>83622275
>quantity over quality

This is not a good meme.

>>83607241
OK, they see what works.

Who's turning evil next? Evil Storm? Evil Daredevil? Evil Spider-Woman?

>>83622379
>marvel shills have trouble reading
No surprise

>>83622379

>Reboot their entire line

I like how you have to lie about whats happening at DC to make an argument for Marvel. Marvel "Winning" like this doesn't hurt DC. It just hurts Marvels fans. Remember that next time you pay $4.99 for 22 pages

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>>83622536
>you pay
>pay

>>83620386
>The Star Wars titles

In move that I can only describe as retarded. Marvel is cancelling Darth Vader

>>83622602
They're so far ahead in the race they can afford it. SW fans will buy ANYTHING with SW, they're buying fucking Poe Dameron ffs

>>83622658

Yeah, but why cancel their second best selling book? Empire Strikes Back from Vader perspective would give them even more readers than they have. It's not about "Being ahead in the race" It's about making money

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>>83622056
>t-this time Marvel is finished, you guys!

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>>83608572

But, I like it.

>>83622742
>Yeah, but why cancel their second best selling book?

They care about quality.

>>83621511
Nah, I'm pretty sure its just because nostalgia blinds us and we'll always hold a special place in our hearts for whatever era was our first foray into comics. The people who are just getting into comics now will look back on the 10s with as fond of memories as I do the 90s.

Just as I'll always love X-man and Cable, some young bloke today will always love, I dunno, Kamala and Miles.

>>83623187
PFFFFTTTTT

>>83623187

HA! No, seriously why?

>>83618855
Correction, CAPE comic fans.

I'll just be over here with my indie books about lesbians solving mysteries, cute robots on quests for identity, and Godzilla books.

>>83623846
>cute robots on quests for identity
Ooo, what comic is this? I like cute robots. They're my favorite kind of automaton.

Is there anywhere I can read about what's going on in Wilson's book? Best I could get from Steve Rogers #1 and skimming some of Sam Wilson is that Spencer is trying to do this "Battle to control Hydra" story, but I'm not sure how right that is.

>>83624181
>Is there anywhere I can read about what's going on in Wilson's book?
Yes, Captain America: Sam Wilson 1-9 + Avengers Standoff: Assault on Pleasant Hill.

>>83607557
What a fucking idiot

>>83607241
Yes continue buying into the fucking gimmicks, why bother getting back to good writing, and having actual characters when we can just get a new fucking plot twist with every damn story...

>>83607241
marvel deserves to be burned to the ground.

>>83608504
THEN

STOP

READING

IT

>>83609451
Marvel doesn't allow returns. That's why they're able to frontload sales by tying them to variants.

>>83607241
>a comic beaten by Green Order has advance reorders
I'm calling bullshit. Disney bought them themselves to pretend people are hyped.

>>83613904
You are everything wrong with comics.

>>83621475
I don't like movie pitches.

>>83607241
Man am I glad the only comics I've ever owned was an old box of Archie comics and the complete collection of Calvin and Hobbes and they were hand me downs

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>>83607968

>>83609860
Unless your DC in which everything you do is bad publicity.

>>83610832
Capt will join the guardians like Stark did.

>>83622742
They are probably about ready to start stepping on a future movies toes. So cancel a book that brings in a couple grand a year to save a movie potentially worth billions.

>>83624039
Not that anon, but maybe he's talking about Sky Doll

>>83609286
>spoiler

You mean movies.

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>>83627731
> Skydoll

>marvel shits on the ground
>marvel drone eats it because it's a marvel shit
>"eww, is this shit? what the fuck is wrong with you?"
>marvel takes a second shit
>"well now I HAVE to find out what this one is like"

The mindset of drones fucking baffles me. Sure, be a fan of Marvel and/or DC, but drone mentality of having to read every "important" thing they put out just to see what happens is the dumbest shit