I didn't really want to read anything from this shitty event, but apparently I have to if I want to know what's happening with old Hercules.
So here we go.
>Amadeus and Herc back together
Fuck yeah
Goodbye Abnett, you tried to rescue cosmic marvel but it was too late
>Amadeus not trusting Herc
Well this is bullshit
>>83597792
Actually there was an event where a lot of people were a hulk. Even the Ultimate universe did that.
>>83597945
I don't know who half these people are. And the ones I do know are already in the book
CHoulk wasn't warned of the attack either, yet he's one of the first people I'd call in case of catastrophe.
>>83598031
I don't think many in the hero community trust Cho either
>>83598043
Jen, I guess.
Trusting a Hulk, any hulk, is always a liability.
>>83597913
Well, no. Every time you fought fate in classical mythology, it just came true in an unexpected way that screwed over whoever fought it.
>>83598326
Yeah but that didn't stop them from doing it again in the next story.
It's a shame Hercules didn't sell better and Abnett went DC exclusive. The book had a good thematic foundation and I really liked what the ideas he was playing with.
Is it true that the other heroes don't want him around and that he's an embarassement?
(as a reader I'm much more entertained by fun, hedonist Hercules that by sad, responsible Hercules)
>>83597865
for all other book''s virtues, its really forcing down this uncharacteristic Herc
He's unapologeptic boisterousness is meant to be a reflection upon society...
>>83598400
As fun as he is to read about, Herc is probably a chore to be around. He got kicked off the Heroes for Hire because of how much he kept drinking.
>>83597826
OUCH. I know that feel herc
>>83597967
The black guy is Sigurd, the First Hero of Asgard. I guess that makes the blonde chick Lorelei, Enchatress's kid sister
>>83598585
Oh yeah I'd forgotten about Sigurd and his new fuckbuddy. I'm more interested in who the dude on the bike is
>>83597823
Day is to die for, eh Jen?
>>83598603
I'm hoping a former Ghost Rider, or maybe post secret war Ares?
>>83598618
I do hope that Ares gets to do something after Contest of Champions, but I don't think that's him
>>83598400
Hazmat wants the D
>>83597865
Well, as shown here >>83597906 it seems that lack of faith is caused by a curse
>>83598636
maybe one of the canadian gods?
Man, I kinda wanna fuck... all of them. What an odd boner inducing line up.
All that missing is Damian Hellstorm
>>83598740
No, I'm not forgetting Namor. it's just that I'd just be jealous all the time if he was there
I actually liked this. I just hope they don't find themselves not having enough chapters to work (since if I remember correctly this series will only have 4 numbers and they have just "wasted" one of them in the preparation)However, am I the only one that thinks that, without his "helmet", Herc looks like a /fit/ Jesus drawn that way?
>>83598043
Carol hunted down Cho down during Time Runs Out, maybe she vetoed him.
>>83597823
Rhodey and Jennifer
POTTERY
>>83597945
Finish it! Also is there more?
>>83599252
I did finish it, that was the last page
>>83599252
>>83599280
Next issue! I never get to finish Herc books >=(
>>83597934
>Sun Wukong
Now THAT'D be a party
>>83599425
Next month mate
>>83599527
Wait Herc had new books? Woot Woot!
>>83599972
Are you being serious? Herc had an ongoing that started like, a year ago. Have you not read it?
>>83597750
>it's a mini that had nothing to do with a big even but got shoehorned in at the expense of the writing episode
>>83597934
>herc
>god of war
fuck off
Fuck NuMale Hercules. I want old Hercules back. He's not even Hercules then ffs.
>>83598391
I'm on the exact opposite end. I think Abnett didn't Herc at all and kept trying to recharacterize him in a way that didn't work. Plus he has this weird obsession with making Herc an alcoholic.
I know "ain't muh [blank]" is pretty easy criticism to shoot down, but this Herc sucks so much compared to the Incredible Hercules run which managed to build on his previous characterization instead of trying to tear them down.
>>83600356
*didn't get Herc
>>83600005
And people wonder why it sold so horribly. I guarantee most Ares fans don't even know that he was brought back in Contest of Champions and was one of its main characters.
>>83597923
Fate Stay night now
>>83601808
I certainly didn't know. Is Ares fun and great in that book, or is he a sad serious character like Herc in this book?
>>83602266
He's fun and great and the book is cancelled and ending next issue.
>>83602645
DAMMIT
>>83602948
Yep. It's one of Marvel's best ANAD books but everyone assumed it wasn't canon so they ignored it and it sold like shit.
Meanwhile it was 100% canon and featured fan-favorites like Ares, Night Thrasher, and Punisher 2099.
>>83597792
What I don't get about people saying Herc was the first hero is that they've even got him chilling out with Gilgamesh, who came way before him.
>>83602992
To be fair when you relaunch like 50 new books every year I can't keep track of all that shit.
>>83597934
>>83597945
This was really good.
>>83597913
>you fought hate
that's really not true
>>83597934
>I'm putting the gods of war back together
Where's Ares then?
>>83597759
> Fellow gods Gilgamesh and Ire
> Gilgamesh
> God
I mean he did some impressive stuff, but I don't seem to recall him ascending to godhood...
>>83603388
>Marvel editors
>>83598400
He's an alcoholic and still has not grasped the concept of certain things in modern society. He can feel like a burden
>>83603388
he had 3 parents some of them were gods, and after the fruit he became immortal. Around that time he became god.
>>83603471
did he not lose the fruit or am i remembering it wrong
>>83597848
How many titles he started with Marvel in the last couple of years? Im sure they all stopped around 5-8 issues. The worst things is they were all between above average and really good.
>>83603534
he eat a bit, and had the rest to save his gay friend who just died. He went to swim and lay to sleep, and a snake came and ate the rest of the fruit. That is one of the myths that was explaining why snakes are immortal.
>>83600356
It is undoubtedly a change but it's a progression that made sense to me. I'm generally of the mind that subsequent creators shoot themselves in the foot by trying to replicate the magic of other people's work.
>>83597826
>they called literally everyone in herc
>apparently not me who was just feet away from the incident
>>83597772
HERC AND CHO
TOGETHER AGAIN
TOGETHER FOREVER
>>83603036
the first SUPER hero
In Marvel he's even known as the God of Heroes
>>83604644
Well, most likely they didn't know he was there.
And even if they knew, seeing him exiting a pub wouldn't have helped is reputation, since they wouldn't know why he was there
>>83603268
maybe that's him on the phone
but to be fair, Herc and everyone else thinks Ares is still dead
>>83603036
The Gilgamesh/Hercules thing is weird, because Gilgamesh came first, but Gilgamesh inspired the myths that retroactively created Hercules.
So Gilgamesh was created by the Celestials, then Gilgamesh's actions as the first hero inspire the myths of Hercules, the first hero, which rewrites history and makes it so Hercules has always existed since Gods are creatures born of myth and magic.
Gods are weird.
>>83603268
Stuck on Battleworld being Maestro's plaything in his CONTEST OF CHAMPIONS.
The only person that's been able to escape the Contest so far has been Night Thrasher. I imagine Ares might get brought back to 616 after CoC ends but by the time that happens, CWII will be over.
I feel bad for Herc. He's one of the strongest beings and he gets ignored like a third-rate hero.
>>83605521
Thought he was though? Can I get a Herc recommendation list need to ketchup on my bronze God
>>83605521
That really hasn't been a thing until Abnett started treating it like that's always been the case, though...
I mean Herc was an Avenger topped their power charts, along with Hulk and Thor.
Turning Herc into some kind of Charlie Brown seems like such a backwards characterization.
>>83605327
>it's different for gods
>>83597923
>Cu Chu
This is definitely gonna get messy. That dude took on the warriors 3 and Thor at the same time in under 30 seconds (beheadings) and was only stopped since Hogun snuck up on him and smashed him with a car.
He did all this while being (mostly) human.
>>83600356
I'd be fine if they make Herc a bit more responsible but the charm of Herc is how easy going and fun loving he is this New Herc needs to lighten up.
>>83606243
I haven't kept up, but I half-agree. Herc as a rabble-rouser is kind of ill-fitting, since Incredible Herc established this as part of his charm (and he did some growing up in that arc anyway).
However, given that it's expected each new writer primarily focus on their own characterization, it's understandable that Abnett has recast Herc this way. It just goes to show how fast and loose authors can play with their editorial mandate.
>>83606438
Sadly true, but I think I'll follow this there's moments so there's room for improvement.It's not terrible just not quite my tastes which is pretty good for comics.
>>83597826
Or the X-men. Stupid movie politics.
>>83597801
Thats the one thing I don't like about the premise of this run.
The Avengers have literally no reason to balk at a request from Hercules. The Pak run was all about how despite everything, he's a hero. Hell, they literally came to his aid in the Rise of Olympus arc.
>>83607469
Hell, they all saw him save the friggin' universe from Amatsu-Mikaboshi in Chaos War, right? He literally lead all the heroes of earth into battle.
>>83597772
I didnt care until I saw Cho. We based!
>>83597833
>>83597840
>>83597847
>>83597856
>butthurt
>blocked
>unfriended
this is really annoying
why do they do this
>>83609242
He's the God of Social Media.
>>83609336
obviously
but that’s dumb
>>83597750
>old Hercules
Old Hercules? Is there going to be a new one?
>>83609407
I suppose he meant it in a "good old friend" kind of way
>>83597772
How has this taken this long.
>>83609470
That was my firs thought, but you never know with the big two these days.
>>83609569
He's just come back to life, it's unlikely they would change him already
Not impossible, but pretty unlikely
This is the kind of books feels like it could just be great if it could get those 50-60 issue runs of the 80s. The supporting cast is great - tired old queen Tiresias, slacker Gilgamesh, ancient Shamaness of pre-civilization, Cho Hulk with the bro Herc. It's like you can literally see a book with potential being pissed away by a doomed six issue run and event tie-in.
>>83600356
Man, Alflyse was hot
>>83607469
I thought that the "Iron Man" was a trick by the new god guys.
>>83597865
This is fucking bullshit Amadeus has tangled with this kind of shit, how does he get to dismiss it he should know better!
>>83610109
Explained a few pages later. Just keep reading.
>>83610109
Well, Abnett hasn't been paying attention to anyone else's characterizations, so why would he start now with Cho?
>>83609384
I feel like he's supposed to be annoying, and whether intentional or not his dialogue sounds somewhat like a Dad trying to use the "cool hip lingo" that "kids use these days".
Either way, the character is unintentionally embodying the cringe which is just as much as social media as its buzzwords.
>>83609941
They should have at least kept on being friends, I was ready for Herc to settle down (again) with the (one of many) women he loves.
>>83610109
>>83610214
Kind of his fault, but the only author I'd trust to know the character is Greg Pak.
>>83597934
Gods of War seems to be the best part of CW2 so far
>>83597801
D...di they forget the fucking chaos war and assult on new olympus events?
When herc says "yo i need help" you pay attention cause its usualy world ending shot
>>83597848
This was a poor attempt at a rescue
>>83597923
We get it you watch FATE
>>83615566
The vast majority of people were incapacitated during Chaos War, remember? The only people that were "awake" during Chaos War were the Gods, cosmic beings, and sporadic dead heroes that were brought back to life.
>>83598585
>Sigurd
He is shit though. Think he is only a 50 tonner.
>>83611636
wasnt she beheaded when Malekith returned due to Thor 2?
>>83616259
And Im pretty sure all those testimonies saying that Herc became a Supergod and kicked multiversal entrophy in the nuts would add up
>>83616532
Yes. Thanks Jason Aaron
>>83597823
Hey, it's an X-Man!
