The Finches are out... Rucka begins here
hyped
>>83594592
love it.
>wonder
>woman
This lettering is straight out of comissioned porn comics
>>83594652
Curved swords?
rip new 52 costume
Liam Sharp art begins
>movie costume
>>83594747
yeah it's a little weird, close to the usual fonts but different enough to notice and distract
>>83594688
http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0lz1ooaSr1qd7qvlo1_1280.gif
>>83594836
The end, what did everyone think?
>>83594862
Her crushing War's helmet really got to me, I feel like if anything that New 52 did right it was make me enjoy the character War, the desacration of his helmet just feels wrong to me.
>>83594862
I won't be back for next WW storytime.
>>83594862
It wasn't bad but I didn't like how it was mostly stage setting stuff. Green Arrow is the only one of these Rebirth one-shots (that I've read so far) that actually told a complete story on its own as well as doing the build up stuff.
And despite it being a good design I already hate the new skirt. It seems difficult to keep it drawn well panel to panel, only occasionally on covers does it look ok to me. I'm just being picky though.
Wonder Woman - Rebirth 01 (2016) (2 covers) (digital) (Minutemen-Thoth)
http://www33.zippyshare.com/v/fl3dqs7n/file.html
>>83594862
I liked it... I know some will bemoan the loss of Azzarello's additions to the mythos but those were left in shambles after the Finches' toying with them...
It definitely looks like Hephie's doing a heel turn and his statements about the Amazons will be the first "lies" to be undone...
>>83594964
>>83594932
>azzfags
>>83594862
>>83594932
This whole issue is pretty much a middle finger to Azz and New 52. I'm surprised Rucka didn't have Wonder Woman shout "ALL CHANGE IS BAD!"
Shit, between this and killing Nu52 Supes, what else are they going to do?
Get rid of the Green, Red, and Rot?
Is Rucka even going to acknowledge what happene in Darkseid War and her brother? Or that Wondy's boyfriend died?
>>83595000
Even your trips can't deny that Azz's WW was one of the better New 52 titles, come on man.
>>83595012
that doesn't mean his status quo should be untouchable
>>83594608
Crazy fucker tried to get all ASS this ish.
>>83594862
It was alright. I like the premise that -something- is making everything inconsistent.
Not much to say for the moment, since this was all just set up.
>>83595009
The brother thing is referenced on the first page.
>>83594932
I believe that particular helmet was tampered with by Hephaestus per Strife's request after Ares' "death"
Perhaps we're finally getting a payoff to that nail?
>>83595038
I agree, but like >>83595009 said, this issue was just a big fuck you to the Azzerello run, Rucka could show a little more class is all I'm saying.
>>83594652
>>83594667
>>83594635
>>83594619
>getting in the way of porn
HISSSSS!!!
>>83594688
They also all took turns fucking her.
>>83595009
>Get rid of the Green, Red, and Rot?
Those were Pre-52 concepts, bro...
>>83595012
And then the Finches' fucked everything good about that run and doubled down on the worst parts so I don't mind if Rucka salts the earth at this point
>>83595051
I feel like it will probably just be a "because she's part of myth now her story will constantly change" thing.
>>83595111
You say "just" like it's a bad thing.
>>83595072
>>83595009
Well Azz's run was a big middle finger to previous runs.
I mean, look at what he turned that Amazons into.
COMING UP NEXT
>>83595132
Well "just" because it's not the cause of a villain or anything. It would be the natural state of things.
>>83595155
I honestly didn't mind them being more savage opposed to a perfect, advanced socicity in magic, science and technology.
>>83594862
Pretty lame. Sounds like they're gonna retcon the fuck out Azzarellos run, and I was already mad at the dumbass a gorillions years old retcon. More importantly though it was boring.
>>83595181
Villifying Zeus? Down for that... Especially after the Finches had him suddenly poof back to his old self and solve all of Diana's problems for her in their final issue
Seriously, FUCK THAT NOISE
>>83595194
they still weren't perfect when they were sci-fi but it would probably require you to read WW stories printed more than 10 years ago to know that
>>83595181
>Liam Sharp Wonder Woman
Oh lawd yes!
>>83594862
>>83594848
Classic Original Recipe Circe
Up to her old tricks. The old Razzle-Dazzle. The ol' Hocus Pocus. The timeless Armageddon Over Here.
>>83594597
WAIFU
>>83595400
It would make sense for Circe to be behind all this. She's pulled crazier tricks, and she would do that, just to troll the shit out of Diana.
Plus, Rucka was setting her up for a new plotline before his original run got screwed over, so he'll probably try to salvage at least some of that.
Is she going to tie someone up and beat the shit out of them for telling her things she doesn't like again?
>>83594752
>Wonder Woman Prime
>>83594608
Interesting none of the other rebirth issues outside of flash really talked about retcons in this way.
>>83594592
Where's Donna's equivalent of this? That'd be an interesting storyline
>>83594752
>dat Finch face at the bottom
HA!
>>83594688
I was expecting all the rebirth issues to be something like this surprised this is the only one (well I haven't read action and detective yet).
Flash gets a pass for being about the stuff but the others don't even feel like they had reason to be part of rebirth were there even any auctual retcons in the others.
What does she mean with the 'story keeps changing' rant? I'm a new reader, but fairly knowledgeable about the characters from lurking for longer than I've been reading. So that's pretty much the most confusing thing for me.
>>83595675
It is odd they only mentioned the sailor origin and not the pilot one but I guess that's not that important.
>>83594862
Literally Azz Retcon: The issue. So every good thing about Superman and Wonder Woman has been fucked over now I guess.
>>83595690
It's pretty damn obvious that her memory of events keeps changing. Try paying attention.
>>83595690
We're in the midst of an Un-reboot.
She has two sets of memories because old continuity is bleeding into current continuity.
>>83595690
It's not quite clear yet but something stole 10 years from the universe or something
It's all a big mess but the main thing shes saying is she's had difrent origins but she can't remember which one is currently canon.
>>83594862
>Retcon: The Wonder Woman Story
>Fuck Azzarello issue #16
>REEEEEE MUH WONDY the comic
I'm good on this shit.
>>83594592
Another new reader here. A little introspective for my tastes, but I really liked her using her lasso on herself. What a cool idea.
>no wonder woman writer will ever resist the urge to throw the previous status quo away
Could you do it /co/?
Me I'd throw everything out and send her to space. Real full on sci-fi shit.
>>83594862
I thought it was too exposition heavy, and the hook too weak. Also was too on-the-nose about ignoring the past runs, and I say this as someone who has never read Azz-Wondy.
>>83594862
It's what all the rebirth specials should have been people working through there memorys somehow or something.
I think they should stick to just wonder women for the 2 alternating storylines though and if they were all like this I would have chosen a difrent character for that. But they have to have it and wondys rebirth is the only place it fits.
I'm not sure what was going on in the strip joint were the managers underpaying them or something
>>83595009
They alluded to the brother in the first page
>>83595741
>>83595739
>>83595736
Ok, that does make sense. As I said I'm a new reader, so I'm reading some N52 series to get a better understanding of past happenings and characters too.
Is N52 Wonder Woman worth checking out? Seems like it might have relevance here too, right?
>>83595109
>doubled down on the worst parts
This
They misunderstood what parts of it made people like it
>>83594858
fuck off you dumb cunt
>>83595808
I feel like a lot of the hate about the more explicit retconing would be less if the other rebirth specials did the same as is it feels like there picking on wonder women specifically
>>83595794
Didn't WML had her hanging out with space pirates?
>>83595890
Nope. She was the leader of a gang of space pirates. She and her cosmonaut friend battled the forces of a slave labor empire.
>>83595072
It's possible that not all of the things mentioned will go back to the pre azzerelo versions it will probably be a mix of new and old there just keeping us guessing
>>83595556
If it turns out to not be manhatten with wonder women I will forgive them for making this the only bit of rebirth to be about the retcons like it was meant to be.
If it isent Circe then as happy as I am this one is the way it is why the fuck weren't the others
>>83595939
Is that run as fun in writing as it looks on covers and concept? Is it some sort of hidden gem?
>>83595558
What are you referring to
>>83595586
Heh I wonder if that was intentional
>>83595985
>Is that run as fun in writing as it looks on covers and concept?
Yes.
>Is it some sort of hidden gem?
I'd say so.
>>83595732
>So every good thing about Superman and Wonder Woman has been fucked over now I guess.
What good things? They had few good runs, and while good they were not perfect.
>>83596044
>and while good they were not perfect.
Morrison's run was God tier, best in canon run we got since Johns Action run. Literally the best Superman run since CoIE. And editorial fucked it over so Jurgens could stroke his dick over post crisis nostalgiafaggotry.
>>83596090
>Morrison's run was God tier, best in canon run we got since Johns Action run.
It was nice. Not everything in it worked.
>Literally the best Superman run since CoIE.
OK, now you're exagerating.
>And editorial fucked it over so Jurgens could stroke his dick over post crisis nostalgiafaggotry.
Or because the books were selling anymore. And nobody fucked with Morrison's run. He told his story and the way he wanted. Editorial even fucked with George Perez' run on Superman because they couldn't impose on Morrison's work to get establishing facts from him forcing Perez to play moving chairs with his own work.
>>8359461
>bullet-deviating nipples
>>83596128
>OK, now you're exagerating.
He's really not. Only Johns and maybe Kelly come close. Byrne's origin is good but he dropped the ball. Triangle years was pure cancer but Kelly escaped it in the end.
>>83595875
Well yeah, if the other specials used less tact then this wouldn't seem so bad by comparison.
Wondy's problems are several-fold.
1) It explicitly draws attention to an outside force changing memories.
2) Nothing else happens in the story, so the retcon takes primary focus.
3) It's a reductive retcon - things are erased, rather than added.
4) It feels mean spirited, with the destruction of the helmet. Rucka is telling Azz-fans what he thinks of her God of War persona, and it's not pleasant. For a medium that's trying to grow, it shouldn't attempt to turn away readers.
>>83596128
Another anon, but name a better in continuity run from post crisis that was better than Morrison's.
Morrison run was not only great, but managed to reinvent Superman and take him away from Byrne's shitty version.
>>83594652
>amazing
>spectacular
>>83596128
>OK, now you're exagerating.
Do name a better run m8
>>83596178
>He's really not.
He is. Morrison's run wasn't THAT good. There were severak meh arcs.
>>83596194
>but name a better in continuity run from post crisis that was better than Morrison's.
Waid's Birthright series actually brought new things to the table and was very good.
>>83594862
Just as I expected. Ugh.
>>83596212
Whose run do you put better than Morrison's in the post-COIE era? I would probably argue Johns based on better art but I don't think anyone else comes that close though there were still good stories.
>>83596250
Kurt Busiek's a good contender as far as character work is regarded.
>>83596212
Birthright just added to Byrne's version, and it's not even a better origin than Byrne's Man of steel. Morrison did not only bring Superman to his root as a social crusader, he updated the meaning of the symbol as well.
>>83596184
>Nothing else happens in the story, so the retcon takes primary focus.
That's what I wanted them all to be its what I expected them all to be.
I will admit they could have done a better job of it but it's better then the nothing of the others
>>83596282
>Birthright just added to Byrne's version
No, it didn't.
>Morrison did not only bring Superman to his root as a social crusade
For what? Two issues? Three at most? Pak did more with the whole Bruce Springsteen Superman concept than Morrison ever did. Be honest, other than the few first issues Morrison's Superman went back to being vanilla Superman and then things got very Silver Age-y.
This is one of the things that disappointed me initially during Morrison's run. I was pumped for a new take on the Golden Age Superman, but other than the cool covers and the first issues he did very little with it. The edge was pure fluff.
>>83596263
I did like his run a lot but I feel like Johns' was more engaging at the time so I probably wouldn't call him best. Though I haven't reread in a while.
>the Superbooks will never be that good again
it hurts my soul
>>83596320
Up, Up and Away was such a blast.
>>83594862
It was way too meanspiirited for my liking. Like regardless of his intentions, Rucka seems to be saying that if it's not what he wrote, it's some evil illusion. And that just seems monumentally lazy to me.
>>83596263
Busiek literally played second fiddle to Johns, nothing was special outside Camelot Falls.
>>83596212
So did Morrison and more things than Waid.
>New take on Steele, Mentallo, Brainiac.
>Kryptonian heritage lost in post Crisis restored.
>Legion connection restored and homage to Superboy and Legion of Superheroes.
>Cosmic, high Concept storytelling and sci-fi brought back.
>Social and liberal roots brought back.
>Best Damnmxystory ever told.
Yes it was very convincingly the best Superman run since Maggin/Bates era. Art was dogshit but if art in a Morrison comic bothers anyone, they literally can't enjoy Morrison comic consistently.
>>83595675
Ok I just finished detective it gets a pass because it feels like a new direction for detective comics a rebirth.
>>83596335
How would you address the fact that Nu52 and Post-Crisis are the same universe and history has been tampered with WITHOUT giving Azzfags the feeling that you're calling his run bullshit?
>SJWonder SJWoman
First they ruin Green Arrow with making him a SJW and now they make WW about female empowerement. Is nothing sacred anymore?
>>83596403
Have her feel sad that part of her past is not true and give it a loving send off. Saying something something I know your were a fantasy but you'll always be part of me.
>>83596405
lol
>>83596405
Azz Wondy threatened to castrate Orion, read a book before shitposting you fucking fag.
>>83596350
Personally, I didn't like his takes on Metallo and Brainiac, I'm not sure what you're referring to in regards to Kryptonian heritage, Johns had already put the Legion stuff back in and done a better job of it, and I really disliked Vyndktvx, for the fact that the Kents are dead and it was just used as an excuse for Morrison to do that weird nonlinear jumping around style he likes to do.
>>83596403
Let's be honest, while i love Azz' run, you could have placed any character in there and the story would have worked. Say, you put Aquaman there as the son or great, great grand-son of Poseidon, and the story still works, because he focused waaaaaaaaaaaay more on the Greek gods and their mythology than he did on Wonder Woman's character and her amazon culture, other than turning them into antagonists and cunts.
So Rucka only need to keep the gods as they were somewhat and i'm happy. I could give two fucks about Azz' amazons.
>>83596475
Maybe acknowledge that her reboot was inevitable even before Flashpoint? Like that was the whole thing with the pseudo-reboot as denim-jacket Wonder Woman, that her history was going to go through a third iteration and that wasn't a bad thing.
>>83594862
Just glad I didn't pay for it. It was a boring read and not particularly interesting to look at either. Where's the hook?
>>83596424
>but you'll always be part of me.
How so? What part of the Azz run actually had an affect on her or shape her as a person?
I guess you could say War's training, but what did he teach her that the Amazons couldn't?
Without knowing whether the Amazons being violent sailor rapists is still true or not, it never had an affect on her personality anyway because despite being raised by them her whole life, she never acted like or agreed with them.
Being Zeus's daughter caused her to treat the Olympians as family, but if all of those characters weren't even the real Olympians, what is kept from that time?
>>83596520
Most of these Rebirth books feel like those DCYou preview pages except at least those were free
>>83596539
Exactly. Felt like a preview comic not a starting point.
>>83596457
So you didn't get what you wanted and that makes the run weak. I could literally tell you where Bryne, Kelly, Johns or Busiek dropped the ball. It worked because it laid a great foundation for new era of Superman where any kind of storytelling was possible while working on its own and being a nice meta commentary about Superman. It was basically also an apology letter for Morrison that Superman fans had to suffer through post crisis mediocrity. Editorial and every writer that came after him dropped the ball.
>>83596531
It's called lipservice to appease people attached to the run you autist.
>>83596617
Would that really satisfy most of them, though, to be told a few nice words while simultaneously being told "Actually, War wasn't even the real Ares the whole time, same for Hera, Strife, etc."?
>>83596405
They dident really change arrows personality they just had him refer to himself with a title that doesent fit.
Problem is now that he has called himself a social justice warrior that's going to cast a poor light on his whole philosophy.
Wonder women is feminism and bondage anon always has been.
Admitidly they do occasionally go full retard with it like that mansplaining line. But it's fairly rare
>>83596592
Sounds like what you're saying is just your "not muh" is more important to you than my "not muh".
I'm not actually hearing any objective argument to explain what's wrong with Post-Crisis/DCAU as a Superman Mythos.
>>83596592
>It was basically also an apology letter for Morrison that Superman fans had to suffer through post crisis mediocrity. Editorial and every writer that came after him dropped the ball.
Man, come the fucking on. It was just the Superman 2000 pitch slightly altered.
Why Morrisonfags always have to turn things into some other bullshit?
>>83596617
Is it really wise to put lipservice above story
You could probably do it by having some other character address it though
>>83596665
>Wonder women is feminism and bondage anon always has been.
WW stopped being bondage a long time ago. Trust me, i miss it.
>>83596676
>Why Morrisonfags always have to turn things into some other bullshit?
The obsession with meta-commentary is always what gets me. Like a wink across the fourth wall or turning characters into weird metaphors for something in the real world instead of just telling a straightforward, self-contained piece of fiction automatically makes stories better.
It's pure pretentiousness, not that different than the /tv/ guys who use the word "kino".
>>83596713
I can deal with meta-commentary, but his fans always blow things out of proportion. If Morrison write a story where the villains serve as stand-in for editors once again, then you'll have fans saying that the villains were also the entire business, the movie business, the human spirituality and so on.
>all these mad ass Azzfags
>>83596740
Honestly, I love how many assholes have set themselves up to be disappointed that Dr. Manhattan in Rebirth doesn't have a single god damned thing to do with the fucking Gentry.
>>83596670
And I'm not hearing an argument why this run isn't the best.
>>83596676
And Superman 2000 pitch was basically just that. Massive fuck you to Byrne and Jurgens who ruined Superman for Morrison, Waid and Millar and all those who really loved pre crisis.
>>83595009
>what else are they going to do?
>Get rid of the Green, Red, and Rot?
>he thinks these are n52 concepts
>>83596771
>And I'm not hearing an argument why this run isn't the best.
I told you why. Inferior reimaginings of Metallo and Brainiac, dead Kents, too much meta wankery
>>83596771
>And Superman 2000 pitch was basically just that. Massive fuck you to Byrne and Jurgens who ruined Superman for Morrison, Waid and Millar and all those who really loved pre crisis.
They were more hang-up on the marriage and the Kents being alive. Their problem was with the at the time status quo, not so much with the initial concepts.
>>83596740
But anon Morrison does criticize the business and storytelling if modern generation or what is called Post Moore/Miller. He made fun of it by self inserting himself in Animal Man and breaking the fourth wall. Or in Doom Patrol and JLA by parodying 90s. Or in his later works where he got more subtle. He openly bashes all those things, you don't like it or find it obnoxious or pretentious, that's fine, but don't pretend it's not something Morrison wouldn't do and fanbase is just projecting.
>>83596795
Actually they were more hung up on Superman being unnecessarily grounded and changed and not being an epic cosmic and grand soap opera. Morrison and Waid later confirmed that Superman: OMD was going to be a very stupid idea and people would get unnecessarily hung up on it to see the bigger picture and they would try to make marriage work.
>>83596793
Sounds like a lot of not muh to me, isn't that what you told me anon?
>>83596686
Aren't they starting to bring it back a little
>>83596881
Only Morrison did and that was Earth One setting.
>>83596670
What Not Muh is the other person claiming? You're the only one doing a not Muh here
>>83596865
>Sounds like a lot of not muh to me, isn't that what you told me anon?
Well if you're not going to talk objectively about what the iconic core of these characters is or should be, what makes them work, what the best version of them should be like, what makes for the best foundation for a Superman mythos, etc., I don't see why I should go into detail either.
Morrison didn't even set up a proper Fortress of Solitude, instead reusing Ultraman's status quo from JLA: Earth-1.
>>83596212
>There were severak meh arcs.
There were obly 3 arcs in the first place did you actually read?
>>83596894
Wait isent earth 1 the main universe
>>83596909
Superman vs. the army/Lex Luthor, Superman vs. the Collector, Superman vs. Captain Comet, Superman vs. the Imp.
>>83596895
He did describe Post-Crisis lore as "mediocrity" and said its writers "dropped the ball" without actually naming how or why.
>>83594862
Pretty good. I wish they would give those luscious thighs some armor, though.
>>83596448
The Joke
Your head.
Ya dunce.
>>83595009
>entire issue revolving around nubo
>issue ends with a ship landing on top of him really killing him and Lobo and Vril Dox stepping out of the ship to offer the other aliens protection under L.E.G.I.O.N.
>>83596928
I mean if you like Jurgens you should just off yourself now
He also said there are many good stories and runs there
>>83596924
>Superman vs. Captain Comet
Wasn't this a one or 2 issue story? Not really an arc
Regardless of you think several of 4 arcs are mediocre you should just say you find it overwhelmingly mediocre or reassess your comments
>>83597314
Who wrote Reign of the Supermen? Was that Jurgens?
Because I don't know what Superman books you guys are so attached to that Post-Crisis is some kind of violation of, but to me, the essence of Superman was best exemplified in the whole "in a world that's lost Superman, we get to see all these guys inspired by him or trying to fill his slot and live up to the name" theme and I loved how it was executed, with Eradicator being this parody of 90's edge that can't replicate Supes' humanity because he's a robot, Henshaw pretending to be the real Supes as a villainous ruse, etc.
>>83597505
Jurgens/LouiseSimonson/Kessel/Stern + Mike Carlin Editorial
>>83597314
>>83597505
>>83597527
Jurgens also kept Booster Gold going after Johns left, right? The book stayed solid, I was loving that shit all the way to the last issue.
>>83594592
Nice
>>83594619
how many fucking people made this? Was this month group project month in DC Comic's Comics 101?
>>83597564
Jurgens also had a strong run on Aquaman during his long hair and beard phase.
I've never read it but I've heard good things about his Thor run also.
>>83597822
>one writer
>two artists
>one inker
>two colorists
>it had two different covers by people who didn't do interiors
>editors et al
that's not actually that many people for one issue
>>83595109
The Red definitely was not. His powers came from the Morphogenic Field
>>83597822
>Hurr durr what is tight deadline serial media
Not everyone is dave sim mate
>>83597898
>The Red definitely was not. His powers came from the Morphogenic Field
The 90's Animal Man comic didn't stopped when Grant Morrison's run ended, despite a lot of his fans thinking so.
Peter Milligan introduced The Red concept taking cues from Moore's run on Swamp Thing.
>>83597898
The Red as a concept did exist before the Nu52, Beast Boy just didn't use it. Animal Man and Vixen did though.
Not much happened but I'm glad Rucka is doing WW again.
>>83597941
Could've sworn it was Delano who introduced the Red.
>>83597976
Yes, you're right. It was Delano. sorry.
>>83597953
Beast Boy was in fact tied to The Red back then, yes. The writers just didn't change his fur to red because that is a fucking retarded idea.
>>83597898
Awww the widdle babby just bought Morrison's omni
Also the morphogenetic field as you know it is literally a sentence of exposition away from being the red
>>83596350
Morrison's run was fantastic, I agree. Easily one of the best Superman stores ever written. Though I could've used more modern Golden Age Supes.
Art wasn't even all that bad.
This issue could have literally been one or two pages
I really hope the run is not this decompressed
>>83598060
This.
Really hoping this is just "first issue syndrome," where the writer's just establishing things before getting to the real meat of the story quickly.
>>83598037
Yeah some of Morales issue were good and Brad Walker did a lot of the art too. It's literally not muh fags that can't accept how good it actually was. Also agree with Golden Age Superman, Morrison really blue balled us there.
>>83594592
BASED RUCKA
>>83597564
Jurgens writes a weak Booster Gold
>inb4 he created him
Giffen & DeMatteis did him better. and even johns did
>>83596676
>Superman 2000 pitch
God, I wish that got accepted. Such a great pitch
>>83598325
Seriously. We would have had one of the GOAT Superman eras then. Though to be fair, post-Crisis, mid-00's was actually a great time to be a Superman fan too.
>>83594608
We return to the old origin, sure... Rebirth is the return of the past... Damn..
>>83598409
if you actually read it you would realize nothing was retconned yet
>>83598453
It's definitely implying Azz's run was a malevolent illusion though. Including the possibility that the gods were impostors for... not wearing togas?
Seems like post-crisis WonderWoman is coming back.
>>83598501
Hippolyta?
>>83598520
No, I mean if you see the glass shattering and ares from Perez's run.. They're admitting it's the pre-flash-point Diana altered.
>>83598482
Actually, Rucka's Olympians took to dressing modern, like suit-and-tie, not that far off from Azz's take on the same characters, minus weird whale-Poseidon and child-with-candle-hat Hades.
>>83598409
>>83598482
Nope, we've SEEN Wondie and her brother be born in Rebirth, no clay involved.
>>83599133
We did?
>>83594688
>sailor
Wasn't Steve a pilot?
>>83595009
To me it reads like typical wonder woman. New writer comes in and is largely dismissive of the previous writers' work. No one really knows what long term direction WW should go it. It was totally cliched and expected.
Its a "characters continuity/purpose is so disputed by fans and editorial lets just turn it into a plot point." Everything writer X doesn't like about a character can now be the cause of some shadow villain.
Thanks for the story time. Glad i didn't buy. I'll come back for the cheetah issues.
>>83594688
... Yeah. Amazons having advanced mathematics will always be fucking retarded. Marston be dammed.
>>83599176
Myrina, Grail's mother, saw the birth
>>83599389
>society of immortals
>get bored and study science
>create advanced technology
What's the problem exactly?
>>83594862
Wonder Women's Olympian additions to her mythos were some of the best changes of the recent generation, and it feels like the story just shat on all of them or denied them all. It gave her a stronger supporting cast for one thing, and they were all fairly interesting characters.
I never like when writers come in and do that with additions to the franchise that I didn't hate, just because they hated them.
>>83599507
>Isolated from the planet
>This Mary Sue Topia Feminist land of the Free has more advanced shit despite still using swords and archery.
>They are more advanced than everything and everyone despite being a bunch of crazy bitches that love old traditions.
>Amazons are not allowed to have flaws otherwise the fans get mad because they are doing bad shit.
It's retarded. Amazons are fucking retarded.
>>83599559
But it's ok. Women are just superior in every intellectual sense. So it's plausible!
>>83599389
Why? Women are too stupid for math? I kid, but seriously I don't get how that's retarded.
>>83599581
Marstong was an idiot. Isolated people tend to be a bunch of tribal savages. Not super advance scientific civilizations. NEVER.
>>83599559
>"I've never read any Wonder Woman stories, but I'm going to sit here and get about stuff that doesn't actually happen in them."
Stay mad at your own false perceptions, casual.
>>83599629
>I'm gonna ignore facts and the influence of real world in exchange of escapism.
Fuck your comic books, nerd.
>>83599629
Well. That part about the Amazons having flaws is true.
People got mad over Azz Wondy and Amazon Attack. Despite them giving those kind of threats to the "World of man" for years.
>>83594688
Is that an Io I spot?
>>83599622
>>83599647
>"I need realism in my comics!"
Dude, just stop. You're making a fool of yourself.
I can only imagine how mad you must get at Wakanda.
>>83599622
Magic/Gods, don't have to explain shit
Also he's less of an idiot than the faggot who doesn't know the name of the huy he's trying to shit on
>>83599417
I bet wondies brother is the one zeus and her mom made via normal means.
Diana is clay.
>>83599730
>My comics are for me, my self and nobody else
Fuck you, you classicists piece of shit. Writers should be allowed to write what they want in the comic they have without haivng to deal with cunts like you.
>>83599734
Ah yes! The answer of the ignorant! "Just ignore it and make a half ass version of everything!"
Fuck you.
>isolationist society favored by the gods with immortality and seemingly infinite resources is entitled to all the privileges of a Utopia and looks down on the rest of the world for not being as perfect as them
>>83599686
>Well. That part about the Amazons having flaws is true.
No it's not. Read a book. They've always been portrayed as being paranoid, isolationist, and steep in old ways often to the point of stagnation. These have all been sources of conflict throughout WW's existence.
Azz and Amazons Attack are criticized because those stories portrayed the Amazons as being flat out evil. DC's Amazons are usually hippies with swords, not murderous psychos. Hell, they weren't even really murderous psychos in the myths.
>>83599780
Easy on the 'tisms their frienderino.
>>83599812
>They've always been portrayed as being paranoid, isolationist, and steep in old ways often to the point of stagnation.
>DC's Amazons are usually hippies with swords,
This doesn't match. And it doesn't match that they have "Advanced" science either.
Crazy Paranoid civilazations go to war all the time. Amazon Attack makes sense,like it or not.
Or perphaps you are mad your beautiful all female utopia is depicted as violent even if they have been talking shit about the planet for years?
>>83599869
>Amazon Attack makes sense,like it or not.
See, this is how we know you're baiting.
>>83599869
Now that I remember. Didn't they even attacked a military installation on WW Year One?
>>83599917
And it took your this long to figure it out?
>>83599622
It's literally the same deal as with Wakanda.
Also, Atlantis is always depicted as more advanced.
>>83599931
I knew from the very start. This is actually the first time I've decided to bud in into this little convo. I'm just disappointed nobody else saw it and proceeded to feed him.
>>83599952
Yet everyone shits all over Atlantis and Wakanda. But not Themyscira. Never Themyscira. That place most always be a perfect place where everyone is happy and nobody is evil, there isn't a single evil person in that place. Alway great, always perfect.
>>83594739
>been deceived
Calling it.
>>83599993
And of course. When Atlantis was tricked into attacking the surface, nobody complained. But do the same with Themyscira and everyone is a hypocrite.
Could it be because is a land full of women?
>>83599780
>Writers should be allowed to write what they want in the comic they have without haivng to deal with cunts like you.
Or you for that matter
>>83594862
so that's it, the whole story is Wonder Woman knows that she was deceived and then goes to the Olimpo for answers? this was almost as boring as the Aquaman title.
Come on, at least The Flash have something related to the main storyline with the Watchmen.
>>83594862
garbage
>>83594597
Happy to see ArtGerm getting work.
>>83594752
FUCK YES
>>83594862
I'm excited to see where this goes. Exploring the theme of deception with Wonder Woman can be difficult to pull off and make satisfying, but if there's anyone suited for the job it's Rucka.
All these complaints are hilarious because I heard the same ones about five years ago when the new status quo was introduced. No one ever complains when the Green Lantern's guardians are changed for the umpteenth time or Aquaman's relationship with Atlantis is removed or reworked, but something about Wonder Woman's status quo changing makes anons quick to anger.
>>83594862
Loved the Azzarello run, and enjoyed this. I've only heard good things about Rucka's run before and am eager to see what he brings here. At the end of the day, >>83599218 nailed it. New writer comes in, Diana's previous lore gets thrown out and rewritten. It may as well be a character specific trope at this point. What matters most to me is the story. I really enjoyed Azzarello's story, and like what Rucka gave me in this. If they don't mesh, it doesn't matter to me. As long as the story is good, I'll stick with it.
This was pretty fucking meh
A bit of a letdown after all of the hype for Rucka's return, tbqh. Reads like Greg's own little not muh Diana retcon fantasy at this stage without ever getting around telling a story.
>>83600845
That's because the Rebirth issues are like Marvel's #0 issues. They're meant to be establishing preambles, not a first episode.
>>83600876
All the other ones did a far better job of it. This is like paying full price for what ends up being a glorified preview. Why not just use the Nicola Scott stuff for this?
>>83596250
>Johns
hahaha, Bitch your adorable. Morrison's Action run is lukewarm shit. Byrne's run was better. Busiek's run was better, Kelly's run was better than them all combined. And that's just Action comics. Morrison missed all the elements that made Superman Superman and instead reduced him to his proto 30's form. Half of Johns run is trying to reduce Superman back to his 70's form.
>>83594592
>all these mad azzfags
>>83600047
>>83599993
>>83602516
>Not a single answer to this.
>>83596763
>implying anyone actualy read WW before Azz
>>83596405
>now they make WW about female empowerement. Is nothing sacred anymore?
Anon you can't possibly think anybody would believe this was a real post.
>>83594862
>>83594862
I'm excited.
I'm a huge Azzfag. I loved the story and designs.
But I'm way too excited to see how this goes. Cannot wait!
>>83594716
>Golden Perfect shoutout
Love it.
>>83595181
>WW75 symbol
nice
But seriously, I'm not excited for this run. Rucka's Wonder Woman was boring to me the first time. The story was exciting, but she was an ice queen 90% of the time.
Now the story elements are not seeming exciting to me. This was a weak start too.
Pretty underwhelming to be honest, after all the hype this got I was a bit let down. Guess I'll give it a couple of issues to see if it gets better.
>inb4 Azzfag
Never read that run.
I like this because it's something that Wonder Woman stories always froget:
The Truth
Diana always fights for the truth, and the idea that she was somehow deceived is interesting to me.
>>83594739
Wait a minute, she lives in Paris now?
Fuck the movie synergy
>>83595155
>>83595155
That's honestly not a problem because New 52 was a whole new universe. What came before didn't really matter.
>>83594797
>BvS outfit
>SYNERGY
>RREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
You were doing fine, guys.
>>83603882
It doesn't stop there
>Retconned to be thousands of years old
>Lives in Paris
I'm just waiting for the revelation that Hippolyta or someone else was Wonder Woman in World War I.
>>83603820
>>83603975
She didn't live in the US in Azz's run so there's little difference
>>83603992
That's not the point
>>83604016
Okay, resume crying then
>>83594932
Yeah, it seems that the whole issue was devoted to telling the reader that Azzarello's run was a lie with the whole "changing the story" bit.
>>83603975
Get used to it.
They have to sell this movie universe full-tilt, so expect more synergy to come. They're charging ahead. They have no choice BUT to charge ahead.
>>83604155
I know. I expected this. But they told us there's no synergy, so that's a big lie.
>It's just a coincidence
>>83604155
>mfw when Flash gets a spic-stache in the comics
>>83595236
Shit, did they seriously do that? Why did they have to go and fuck everything that was good about Azz's run up?
>>83594862
Damn good and I dont read Wondy normally.
>>83604247
Anon, don't even joke. By joking, you have a small chance of affecting reality and making it a thing.
This is an interesting take on the character, but it feels pretty disjointed, like I've already missed three issues prior to this.
>>83604227
No, Rucka said specifically that the costume was the only synergy not that there wasn't any at all.
>>83594862
Art got better in the second part, but the dialogue feels...really awkward. Like super awkward.
I can't put my finger on it, but it sounds really forced.
>>83604330
He said that was a coincidence, and said they weren't required to do synergy.
ALSO, Johns said that they weren't trying to make the comics like the movies. But Wonder Woman isn't the only one who is looking more and more like the movie version.
her crushing of the helmet felt like throwing azzarellos run to the trash can, I say this without any negativity, that was my impression.
I still think Azzarellos run is a great elseworld story.
>>83604339
I think the dialogue (actually a monologue) is super redundant because overall it says little, so it keeps repeating to sound complex.
Really a stretched preview.
>>83604247
Well, blue, future Flash from a few arcs ago was pretty unshaven, irc
