What does /co/ think of Zatanna? Why doesn't DC give her any love? Also post recommended reading
I'm actually kind of glad she's not in the spotlight right now, with the way that they're treating other female capes thee days, it's nice that she's still the same.
>>83573655
>>83573671
Oh shit, and her whole thing is magic. You just know that they'd push the whole Quirky Magical Girl thing on her.
>>83573228
>Why doesn't DC give her any love?
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>Zatanna thread on /co/
Is it my birthday? I should go buy a lottery ticket.
She's one of my favourite comic characters, after Hal and Supes. Such a shame she's so rarely used in books. She'd probably be tied with Hal for #1 if she actually had more content...
Would kill for a Morrison ongoing, been wishing for that since his seven soldiers run.
>>83573762
Yeah.
She can be a tad overpowered at times. I mean, going up against and beating, a guy who matched the fucking Spectre is a little over the top, but I don't really care much. I like superman too much for that shit to annoy me.
Hottest DC girl, probably hottest in all of comics.
>>83573228
One of my top favorite female superheros.
>>83573228
>Also post recommended reading
>it's fine when DC kills off a male character and replace it with a lesbian female character
>>83574836
The problem with these reading lists is that they almost always give you pretty much every appearance of the character. So instead of "here are the really good stories with this character" it's "here is every story in which they are mentioned in any way."
>>83574872
Zatanna isn't a lesbian
Also I'm like 90% sure she's a Silver Age legacy so it's not the same
>>83573228
>DC doesn't give her any love
>LITERALLY in Injustice
>>83574872
>lesbian
What? No she wants the batD
>>83574948
Normally I'd be inclined to agree with you, but she honestly doesn't even have that many appearances anyway. You could probably read ever single book shes ever been in, apart from non speaking background stuff, in about ten hours or so. Probably less.
>>83575048
>ever
every
>>83573228
Read she helped mind wipe Batman.
On principle that's that shit I don't like.
>>83575106
>he doesn't like when characters have flawed personalities
You must hate pretty much everything Marvel has ever put out, then.
>>83575106
It's better to just pretend Identity Crisis doesn't exist
post best girl
one of the best eps
>>83575721
>>83573671
They shoke up her origins in the New 52. She's a Constantine fangirl now or something similar. I hope they ditch it with Rebirth.
>>83576226
>yfw they announce paul dini series for rebirth and retcon all new 52 shit
>>83574872
wut is this bait?
>>83575106
Stop it, Identity Crisis doesn't exist.
>>83575903
Hubba hubba.
Did any edgy shit ever happen to her?
>>83576275
>yfw they announce paul dini series for rebirth and retcon all new 52 shit
I don't like magic. It's just a cheap trick weak writers use to bypass the established physical laws the universe they are writing for because they can't figure out anything that makes sense to move the story along.
>>83576310
your liking of zee is the only thing preventing me from telling you to fuck off, boco.
You get a pass this time..
>>83576364
found Superman
I don't read comics and I never saw any cartoon about her, but I like porn of her.
>>83576444
>/co/ in a sentence
>>83576340
She smoked marijuana in Hellblazer, altered a bunch of villains' minds without their consent in Identity Crisis-era DC, and had a threesome with Constantine and some other guy in the New 52. Other than that, not really.
>>83576473
No rape, no broken spine = boring
>>83576444
>/co/:the post
>with wasted trips to boot
>>83576520
Oh right, Dini had Joker shoot her in the throat so she wouldn't be able to cast spells in his Detective run. She got better in the next issue though.
>>83576299
He talking about the Question guy
>>83576646
I remember reading that little arc, it was one of those moments I felt
>Yeah this is taking Joker too far
Not just because of the gun shot but there was some nonsense early on where while investigating the case of a murder Batman turns on the shower and the steam reveals Joker scrawls confessions of his psychosis or something. I just had to put the comic down for a minute with the thoughts going through my head.
Don't get me wrong TKJ and a bunch of other stuff have already commented that he is a weird asshole but it just felt like they were turning him into Buffalo Bill or something. I don't want to imagine a pale, skinny, green haired, wet, naked homicidal maniac finger painting his journal in the shower.
A character can inherently be a lot of things, implied or direct, from audience to audience through interpretation but generally the idea of a character is that there's something you want to convey and somethings you just don't convey.
It was that initial red light followed by how the rest of the arc unravels with him being 5 steps ahead of Bruce and Zatanna, somehow, and also tricking them in front of their face and all that crap instead of just being a crazy, clown themed guy they find and beat up.
Sometimes somehow it becomes too much. I can't even remember what my point was. Fuck Horror Movie Joker? Something like that.
>>83574493
>She's one of my favourite comic characters,
Good taste, ano-
>after Hal
You motherfucker.
>>83576299
I want Zatara back, you know the actual character.
>>83577000
I bet you're a kylefag.Or even worse, a simonfag.
>>83577000
>>83577038
Niggas, we all know who the best Lantern is...
>>83577038
I'm an AnyoneButHalFag
Seriously, fuck Hal.
>>83577066
>>83577065
>>83577038
>>83577000
IT BEGINS
i want pic rel
>>83577090
Honestly I like all the earth lanterns, they're pretty great. Except Jessica but I don't know much about her.
>>83577187
>letting the pot boil over
>>83577194
yeah, me too. I like all of em, even jessica and simon are growing on me.
I just like hal the most because I'm attached to the characters loss.My father died in the air force, in a plane engine failure. Still holding out for that ring.
>>83573228
I like Zatanna a lot and I'm not even Paul Dini.
She doesn't get a lot of love because
a) She is pretty much omnipotent, even by the usual standards of magic characters. There is not a single thing she absolutely *can't* do as long as she says it backwards.
b) The backwards talking gimmick is fun, but it makes her more of a goofy character, hard to put in serious situations. There's a reason her spotlight episode on the JLU show was played for comedy.
>>83573228
I like her. She doesn't get much love because:
1 She's omnipotent, even by magic character standards. She can do anything as long as she says it backwards.
2 The backwards talking gimmick makes her more of a comedy character, hard to put in serious situations.
>>83576364
What a shitty opinion you have. And I wouldn't go out of my way to call a man's opinion shitty, except that your narrow-minded, simplistic view of how to effectively write a story, and the fact that it begins and ends entirely within the confines of the real world, is the exact reason we are now in the third generation of DC tacticool, hyper-realist Nolanified bullshit.
Your shitty opinion is the cancer killing fiction. Please read better books.
>>83577419
Fuck it, I posted the same thing twice by accident. That's OK though, I'm omnipotent and can make the other post go away.
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>>83577065
I was trying to think of a magic member for the Trinity a few days ago and I completely forgot Alan. I mean he's on the JSA and technically his ring isn't "magic" like Fate or Zatanna, but it still counts.
I think he would make a perfect round off to Clark and Bruce.
She's pretty broken power wise, it's hard to write a story with her.
>>83574948
>>83574836
So this one is better?
>>83577419
>1 She's omnipotent, even by magic character standards. She can do anything as long as she says it backwards.
This isn't really true though. The real problem is that her upper limits are completely undefined. But just about every comic I've read agrees that she DOES have them, and that guys like Fate, Spectre, Phantom Stranger or Shazam (The wizard) are hilariously out of her league.
>>83577280
Sorry for your loss, anon
>>83578014
it was 20 years ago, I've had time.
Thanks though, mate.
>>83577000
>>83577038
>>83577065
>>83577066
>>83577090
Why are lanternfags so bitter about every other member besides their favorite? Even Robinfags aren't this bad.
>>83573228
>Why doesn't DC give her any love?
Because you don't care about her.
>>83578279
marvel vs dc, coke vs pepsi, batman vs superman red wine vs white, lanternfags vs eachother etc etc
Old as man itself
>>83578367
Scots vs other Scots
>>83578436
perfect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iusUq4-f5U
>>83578367
>marvel vs dc
DC
>coke vs pepsi
Dr Pepper
>batman vs superman
Civil War
>red wine vs white
red
>>83578436
>Glasgow vs Edinburgh
Dundee
>>83578476
agree with everything you said, though I would have accepted superman as a response.
>>83578436
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciPu4DnKBuM
>>83573228
>tfw she never got to have her DC Nation shorts
>>83576226
>Rebirth.
any mentions of zee showing up in rebirth yet?
>>83578279
Like I said I don't have a favorite lantern.
I just think Hal needs to get punched in the dick far more frequently.
>>83573228
She gets love in Justice League Dark. I like her there. She's fun.
>>83575721
>>83575757
>>83575903
I actually wish her parents would get some more spotlight. Her dad was a super hero who tutored Batman -- Zatarra and her mom is a homo-magi from Gemworld. They need to focus on them some more because they are cool and interesting.
>>83578436
>>83578323
Watch it be a continuation of Gods and Monsters.
>>83577855
Yes, she does have limits in theory, but because there's no rule about what she can't do, any weakness she has is arbitrary. She can't beat the Spectre but we don't really know why she can't just say "Ertceps eid" and destroy him.
Lke in one issue of her solo where a guest writer said her powers don't work on living things, even though they *did* work on living things in the previous issues.
I'm not saying magic needs hard or fast rules but a character needs a better weakness than "gag her so she can't talk backwards."
>>83577419
>>83577855
>>83579717
What DC needs to do is outline some kind of rules for the magic in the DC universe entirely. Something to limit her and the other magical users, like Doctor Fate.
Zee's pretty cool. One of DC's coolest, most memorable B-listers. Her whole speaking backwards gimmick, along with the magician's outfit she has is thematically really cool and instantly recognizable. I'm a sucker for that sort of thing. Doesn't hurt at all that she's sexy as fuck and is probably one of DC's most fetishistic characters. Who wouldn't want to fuck Zatanna? Come on.
Honestly I feel like she has a lot of potential. DC could easily make her an A-lister if they wanted to, right up there with the Big 7. She could easily be used as a sort of 'gateway character' into the magical corner of the DC universe. She kind of already has been used like that before.
Also I think it's funny how Paul Dini is in love with the character, yet he consistently writes practically the most boring Zee ever. Zatanna, in my mind, should be going on crazy Dr. Strange-style cosmic, magical adventures and shit,but his Zatanna book was never really all that interesting and was pretty underwhelming, honestly.
I think if DC wanted to, they could give her a supporting cast that really worked, give her a memorable rogues gallery, the works.
>>83580093
at least post the version with that tripe cut out of it
>>83577187
why she have a bug on her head?
>>83580093
DC has one rule for magic that is set in stone.
Magic has a cost.
>>83580145
I thought Dini's approach to the solo was OK. Kind of a sitcom, but Zee is kind of a sitcom character who needs to be grounded in the real world of stage magic and showbiz.
When she goes on trippy Vertigo-style cosmic adventures she loses some of that. For me she's sort of like Samantha on BEWITCHED, someone who enjoys living in the world of normal people but also having fun with her wacky magic.
>>83573228
Best girl.
Fucking Constantine and lusting for the Bat shows good taste.
>>83580640
True but you never see the consequences of using magic, at least not in mainstream DC.
I think going even further in terms of rules would make stories easier or at least more interesting to read and write, plus enrich magical DC.
>>83580700
God, you might be right. But I vastly prefer the Zatanna that goes on crazy adventures in alternate magical planes of reality than the one who basically just goes through typical superhero hijinx with big of a magician's stage show twist.Seven Soldiers Zatanna was best Zatanna.
>>83577530
I would accept this. Hell, even keep him gay, but he deserves that spot.
>Zatanna thread on /co/
Is this judgement day?
>>83581119
But we have Zatanna threads every so often.
>>83581308
ain't often enough
>>83581448
Maybe we'd have more if DC actually did more with the character.
can someone explain to me the scene in seven soldiers where she wishes for the man of her dreams but summons something else?
I read it a long time ago but I still remember that scene never made sense to me
>>83577065
>gets powers from a mystical space rock that the Guardians shot into space
> said rock was forged into trillions of different kinds of lamps/lanterns over the years
>has used his powers for so long that he can no longer age
Dude, I love Sentinel, but he more like an "honorary" Green Lantern
>>83581590
Don't quote me on this, but I THINK the way the demon worked, was the he was able to take literally any form, including the "man of her desires," or something. It's not really made all that clear. I think it might also have been because at the time, Zatanna's faith in herself was somewhat shaken, which might've affected her magic.
>>83581551
Cute
>>83582975
That's nothing.
>>83573228
My penis loves her.
>>83573228
Zee is the bomb.
>>83576364
You mean like most hero's do
>>83577065
He has been my favorite for many years. Never got to read much of him outside the JSA though.
>>83576473
Tantric magic doesent count
Then again It clearly counts to constantine himself
>>83583105
>>83573228
I liked her a lot. Though reading her backwards phrases for the spells could get annoying sometimes, though I really like the idea of her magic.
>>83578644
JLD was an awful book that treated Zatanna horribly. She was mostly John Constantine's fucktoy that he constantly used and abused, with her coming back for more against all common sense.
Why did you make her sad, /co/?
>>83573228
I bet if DC/Warner made a Zatanna movie, it would make a lot of money.
In fact, I want a Zatanna movie.
>>83584831
she just needs dick in her DESU
>>83584831
Someone reminded her that her VA was in Sonic 06.
>>83585029
And Dini's wife should play Zatanna
>>83585075
Is she hot?
>>83584831
I cheated on her
>>83585227
I dunno, see for yourself. I am saying it because she's an actual magician
>>83585305
She should play Zatanna's mother or something. She's hot, but not young. Man, I can picture a young, inexperienced Zatanna messing up. It could be a light hearted super hero movie while still being on the DC Cinematic Universe's edge.
>>83585405
have her play madame xanadu
>>83585421
Yeah, that would work pretty well.
>>83585349
Ha. Its still funny.
>>83587821
Black pantyhose > net pantyhse
>>83587906
I can't say I'm too focused on her legs...
Sure why not
>>83573228
Nigga she was atleast in Injustice
For all we know she'll probably return in the sequel
>>83588782
Nice. Just finished reading my copy of this last night, but I can never resist a good storytime.
>>83588890
I thought Zee made it a point to never actually use magic during shows?
>>83589163
I remember reading that she likes to do the entire show without magic, until the closing trick, which she spices up a bit.
>>83589011
This
>>83589088
Hey, an actual Bewitched/I Dream of Jeannie reference!
Zatanna sitcom, WB. Make it.
>>83589214
actually...that may have been afanfictionI read once, now that I think back to it. Shit.
>>83589006
Does this make Paul Dini a cuck?
>>83573228
Zatanna is the shit
>>83589478
No because every man who sleeps with Zatanna is Paul Dini's fantasy self-insert.
>>83589581
kek
The end
>>83589702
It is just me or does the artist has an Amanda Conner type of style?. The resemblance is uncanny
>>83589192
>Merry meet this, bitch.
I swear, Dini's Zatanna is so off.
?ssa taht deppat reve namtab sah...uacd fo edistuo
>>83589819
Your right. http://pre13.deviantart.net/5539/th/pre/f/2011/310/c/2/girlsofmarvelanddc_by_rick_mays_by_vpizarro626-d4fdk24.jpg
>>83589888
How?. I always thought Dini's Zee was the best
>>83589957
She's so boring and comes off as very slightly bitchy.
>>83589924
He's batman, of course not. He loves gotham more than he could ever love her..or anyone else for that matter.
>>83574836
>>83577818
Speaking of recs.
Why are half the fucking links/images on the /co/ recs tumblr dead? Anyone got a backup or alternate site with working pics?
>>83590019
>very slightly bitchy.
what is it with people crying whenever a character isn't a paragon of perfection? Flaws make a character. Even Superman isn't perfect.
>>83590047
evol=xes<
kek sdrawkcab
Am I too late for Lantern shitposting?
BecauseMogois best hands down
>>83573228
Because her gimmick is cooler then Superman or Batman and they don't want her upstaging Wonder Woman even tho Wondy is shit tier compared to the other Female capes.
>>83589470
So...she just leaves her to get raped like that? The fuck?
>>83578279
I'm a Kyle/Timfag
my life is suffering
>>83590080
He's being slightly bitchy
>>83590267
never too late for lantern shitposting.>implying mogo is a better lantern than Kilowog
>>83590268
I love wondy, but characters like Barda and Zatanna etc clearly blow her out of the water.
Gotta keep that status quo...If anyone should take WWs spot, it should be hal.
>>83589888
Seriously. Bitchy streak and a slut.
>>83576364
>Magic is just a cheap trick to make weak stories stronger!
Not necessarily. There have been plenty of good stories written about things that are seemingly impossible, and how the world reacts to them. In fact, a large part of the superhero genre is about people with extraordinary powers unknown to the "normal" world. Tying it in with "real" science can help a story if it's handled well, but it's not strictly needed.
The real key is internal consistency. It's okay to have a story about something that breaks the "rules" as long as you have a good idea of what it does and how. We know that Superman has super strength and can fly, or that Spiderman can stick to walls and shoot webs, so we can write stories around them and their powers. They're not like anything that mankind understands, but that's not a problem because we have a good idea of what they are.
On the other hand, magic tends to run into problems with that very principle. At the basic level, "magic" can mean pretty much anything, so when you have a character like Zatanna whose power is to use magic, that essentially means she can have any power at any time. The authors tend to handle this by adding lots of specific limits like "this requires a lot of power" or "this specific feat is not within her ability", which tend to arbitrarily come up when the plot demands them, and frequently aren't even consistent. The result is a character whose options in any situation are limited only by arbitrary plot contrivance.
>>83573228
I hate that the best rendition of Zatanna is in dcau and there's so little of her.
Its like Harley Quinn only she got proper screen time.
>>83590416
I remember cracking up laughing first time I read the scene with the stranger coming back years later.
>>83590416
Is there rule 34 involving that small dude, his dick and zatanna's giant tounge shaped like a tube?
